1969 ss 396 old race car bought it 20 years ago

[chevyman0429]

Bought this car 20 years ago. Got ss 396 emblems all over it. Appears to be old race car. Has got Frenchs starters and alternators painted on the quarter panel. Also says winter hawk 87 by rear marker light.Old roll cage and one bucket seat. Also has 12 bolt with spool,boxed rear control arms and disk brakes with 2 peice rotors. Pretty clean old car except for someone removing some of the metal in attemps to lighten it up. Yea its still sitting in the garage in this conditon waiting its turn.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/01/full-5586-2152-img141.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/01/full-5586-2153-img140.jpg

[Postsedan]

Cool! What is the original color of the car? Post a picture of the trim tag.

Dan

[chevyman0429]

The original color is Cortz Silver I beleive. I was told its a 300 deluxe 2 door hardtop. Beleive the vin starts with 13437. Id have to go and get a pic of trim tag to be sure on the vin.

[Postsedan]

Mike,

That`s a rare Chevelle. There are only a handful of 300 Deluxe SS396 Coupes out there...the Post Sedan`s are even fewer. I assume any of the original 300 Deluxe interior is long gone?

Please email me a picture of your trim tag and VIN. Glad to help.

[email protected]

Dan

[chevyman0429]

Yea the only thind left of the interior when i bought the car was the dash pad the steering column and 1 after market bucket seat. Tried to trace its owners but went back 2 owners to a guy in lapeer michigan and he wont answer the phone or return my calls. I know hes still around ( his voice is on the recorder) but will not return my calls. Gonna have to check the rear end codes.

[Postsedan]

Was the steering column a three on the tree, an automatic or 4 speed (possibly even a 3 speed)

Dan

[chevyman0429]

The steering column is for a manual trans car, also the car has a clutch pedal in it. Car also has dual piston front calipers and an ancient line lock on it with manual brakes and manual steering.

[chevyman0429]

After posting this thread a YSC member ( PostSedan)started asking questions so I started digging around the car after 20 years of it sitting in my garage and not being sure if the car is really a 300 deluxe 2 door hardtop ss 396. What we found!

The cars 12 bolt is coded KF --0529f-- (3:55 posi) Has boxed lower control arms with the braces running from the upper control arms to the frame. The car has 2 peice front rotors in the front an ancient hurst line lock and the master cylinder is coded BA. The car also has the big block steering shaft. The car has all the right ss 396 emblems. The front ss 396 grill does not have the peice of trim the runs down the center that is true to the 300 deluxe cars. The car does have a clutch pedal in it with a floor shift steering column.
I gotta say thanks to Postsedan(Dan)for poking around and gettin me motivated. Thanks Dan

[69 Post Sedan]

Dan is the man when it comes to these very special cars. Great work again Dan. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

Kurt

[Postsedan]

Mike,

Glad to help.....this is what this great hobby of our is all about <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

How about posting some pics of all that you found....if you have trouble posting the pics....email them to me...I`ll get them posted for you.

Another cool thing about Mike`s SS396 300 Deluxe Coupe, is it`s a Fremont Built Chevelle and has #752 Black Vinyl Bench Seat Interior.

Mike, I`m a bit bias....but I say you should restore this 1969 Cortez Silver SS396 300 Deluxe first over your Black SS396 Chevelle.

Dan

[Postsedan]

Mike,

Here are a few pics of Keith Tedford`s former 1969 SS396 300 Deluxe Chevelle....yours would have looked the same <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/Postsedan/966_zpsa9d15929.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/Postsedan/Postsedan2013/967_zps4341b037.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/Postsedan/Postsedan2013/968_zps74da3306.jpg

Dan

[chevyman0429]

Yea unfortunately the black car is so much further along since it had a frame off right before the accident that tore up the front end. All that's left to finish the black SS is the front clip and windsheild and being my camaro is a little radical for the street the black car will be done come spring. I need something to drive to the local cruise nights. Since chatting with you Dan the ss396 300 deluxe will definately be on the rotiserrie real soon. It's sat long enough. The plan is and always has been to make this car a serious street/strip car but very original to the naked eye. and it will be back cortz silver.

[chevyman0429]

I got a question on the white stripe in the front and back seats of this silver 300 ss. The stripe is that only on the 300 deluxe, this being the second 300 car i seen it on. The other being the garnet red Berger 300 post on this site.

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chevyman0429</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got a question on the white stripe in the front and back seats of this silver 300 ss. The stripe is that only on the 300 deluxe, this being the second 300 car i seen it on. The other being the garnet red Berger 300 post on this site. </div></div>

Mike,

Correct, the entire interior is completely different on a 1969 300 Deluxe.

They only came in Blue Cloth, Green Cloth, Black Cloth and Black Vinyl....ALL bench seats ONLY.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/Postsedan/ss3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/Postsedan/P1011112.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/Postsedan/P1010023.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/Postsedan/P1010023.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/Postsedan/P1010237.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/Postsedan/P1010264-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/Postsedan/P1010281.jpg

Dan

[chevyman0429]

Very interesting I like the white stripe. Only bench seats in the 300s.

[chevyman0429]

Im gonna grab the pictures of my finds and post them tomorrow. The inside A-pillar trim/molding is sheetmetal on this car where as my black ss they are padded. The sheet metal ones on the 300 is that specific to the 300 deluxe

[Postsedan]

The Coupes are steel and the Post Sedan`s are padded.

Dan

[chevyman0429]

Heres some pics of codes and other things on my 300 deluxe

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/01/full-5586-2226-new.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/01/full-5586-2227-img_00192.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/01/full-5586-2228-img_00203.jpg

[chevyman0429]

Big block steering shaft

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/01/full-5586-2229-img_00207_new.jpg

Boxed lower control arms

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/01/full-5586-2230-img_00199_new.jpg

300 grill without the molding

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/01/full-5586-2231-img_00212_new.jpg

[Postsedan]

Mike,

I especially like the air bag in the rear spring. Get that Black Coupe finished so you can start on the 300 Deluxe <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[wheelhop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Coupes are steel and the Post Sedan`s are padded.

Dan </div></div>

I repectfully disagree with this statement. I've seen the steel and padded in coupes. I think it was more to do with the new safety regulations that hit the books in the 69 model year.

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Coupes are steel and the Post Sedan`s are padded.

Dan </div></div>

I repectfully disagree with this statement. I've seen the steel and padded in coupes. I think it was more to do with the new safety regulations that hit the books in the 69 model year. </div></div>

If that were true than they would ALL be padded going into 1970-72.

Dan

[wheelhop]

I think it also could have been what they had on hand that day they assembled the cars.
Rick Pauley (Rixls6) has two post cars
1) red 300 dlx post - Padded
2) silver SS post - Steel

[Postsedan]

I`ve seen enough &quot;original&quot; Survivor Post Sedans to make my own opinions. What you decide to put in your Post Sedan you do what makes you happy.

Ricks Garnet Red Post Sedan is very original. Who`s to say that the previous owners of Ricks Cortez Silver Post Sedan did not change them out.....as they became very sun damaged and dry rotted very quickly. Trying to find a set of original padded ones that are not cracked is very difficult. They were very poorly constructed. These are the facts.

Dan

[Rixls6]

Did the later (70-72) A-body post sedans have steel generally?

[wheelhop]

I've learned to never say never.

[wheelhop]

I might have mis-remembered (like roger clemens) on my first statement. There also is a general consensus that sometime mid-model-year 1969 the padded covers changed to steel.
Van Hurst's 68 post sedan has padded and he said all 68 chevelles were padded coupe or post.

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rixls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did the later (70-72) A-body post sedans have steel generally? </div></div>

Rick,

Yes indeed ALL 1970-72 GM Post Sedan (a-body) were steel, or atleast I have NEVER seen any Padded.

Dan

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've learned to never say never. </div></div>

This will come back to haunt you, If or when you get your Post Sedan restored and your very first show I am the Judge <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

Dan

[wheelhop]

Wouldn't you have to re=cuse yourself &quot;like a circuit court judge&quot;
due to a conflict of interest anyways <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif

[Rixls6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wouldn't you have to re=cuse yourself &quot;like a circuit court judge&quot;
due to a conflict of interest anyways <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif </div></div>

Or maybe due to an &quot;Affliction of interest&quot; Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wouldn't you have to re=cuse yourself &quot;like a circuit court judge&quot;
due to a conflict of interest anyways <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif </div></div>

We`ll let the show promoters decide on that, you just worry about gettting that Post Sedan restored correctly <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

Dan

[x Baldwin Motion]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've learned to never say never. </div></div>

This will come back to haunt you, If or when you get your Post Sedan restored and your very first show I am the Judge <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

Dan </div></div>


<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif you guys are a freakin' riot

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x Baldwin Motion</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've learned to never say never. </div></div>

This will come back to haunt you, If or when you get your Post Sedan restored and your very first show I am the Judge <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

Dan </div></div>


<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif you guys are a freakin' riot </div></div>

Chris,

Hanke and I are just like Laurel and Hardy, Hanke is Hardy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

Dan

[chevyman0429]

I was wondering where i can start gathering the interior for this car from. I think Postsedan Dan mention one place where it could be bought but dont remember exactly what he said. Also since the car was striped down to a roller when i bought it, Im gonna start gathering date coded engine parts for the car. The trim tag said i beleive it was assembled in may. My question is what would be the exceptable dates for this car. I hope i worded that right. Thanks

[mockingbird812]

SMS out of Oregon.

[Postsedan]

Mike,

SMS Interiors in Canby, Oregon has all the correct interior material for the 1969 300 Deluxe interior.

http://www.smsautofabrics.com/

Start making a list of all the parts you may need....place wanted parts under the &quot;Wanted Section&quot; on here and on Team Chevelle.

Dan

[chevyman0429]

Gotta show off a few peices I picked up today for this car.Got the outter rear NOS fender wells dirt cheap and the ladders bars he was alittle high on but I bought them any how.
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/02/full-5586-2923-wheel_well1.png
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/02/full-5586-2924-wheelwell2.png
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/02/full-5586-2925-gm30.png
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/02/full-5586-2926-ripgm.png
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/02/full-5586-2927-ladder_bar.png

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Those GM stickers are gold.

Ryan

[Postsedan]

The Fun Begins.....well done Mike <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[Rixls6]

Good deal Mike. After talking to you, I'd say you stole the rear wheelhouses. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif
Let me know if you hear anything about those front wheelhouses we talked about.

[Donnie]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Coupes are steel and the Post Sedan`s are padded.

Dan </div></div>

Dan, my coupe has padded.

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donnie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Coupes are steel and the Post Sedan`s are padded.

Dan </div></div>

Dan, my coupe has padded. </div></div>

Donnie,

I have seen a few anomalies on Coupes, but never a Post Sedan.

Dan

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Hi Guys,

I have never seen the non padded pillar pieces, can you post some pics of them? Must be tough/all business looking.

Ryan

[chevyman0429]

Ryan,
They look exactly the same. You almost cant tell a difference until u pick them up, well I cant anyhow. Im sure Dan can spot them from a 100 yards away.
I thought I had a pic of mine.
Mike

[Postsedan]

I`ll post some pics soon.

Dan

[chevyman0429]

Ryan,
Heres some pics of a metal A pillar trim from my 300 deluxe hardtop.
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/02/full-5586-2969-11.png
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/02/full-5586-2970-12.png
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/02/full-5586-2971-13.png

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Very interesting.

Wonder why GM would make some out of steel?

Were they used in the 300 Deluxe 6 cyl coupe/2 Dr Ht 13337 and the 8 cyl coupe/2 Dr Ht 13437?

Ryan

[chevyman0429]

Ryan,
That's a question for post sedan expert dan, my cars a 300 deluxe ss 396 hardtop. You wouldn't think they would make two of the same parts out of two different materials for the same car.
Mike

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Good call,

PS: I enjoy your signature very much, I have been in all different levels of industrial maintenance (both electrical and mechanical) since 1992. Is it supposed to say Duct TAPE?

&quot;If a hammer and duct wont fix it u have electrical problems!

Ryan

[chevyman0429]

Yes good point, must have been drinking and inhaling that dam racing fuel. I'll straighten that out after I get this car started.
Mike

[chevyman0429]

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/03/full-5586-3597-yellow_frenchs...png
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/03/full-5586-3598-yellowm_winterhawk...png (http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/03/full-5586-3598-yellowm_winterhawk...png)

[chevyman0429]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi Guys,

I have never seen the non padded pillar pieces, can you post some pics of them? Must be tough/all business looking.

Ryan </div></div>

http://www.ebay.com/itm/68-72-GM-A-Body-Metal-Interior-A-Pillar-Trim-Mouldings-OEM-Original-Pair-/171012931317?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorie s&amp;fits=Year%3A1969%7CModel%3AChevelle&amp;hash=item27d 12a3ef5&amp;vxp=mtr

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

I had no idea,

This guy has many for sale, and 50 bucks seems reasonable.

Ryan

PS: to get the link to work, just cut the end off and google it.

[chevyman0429]

So I need some help. Once again I'm gonna try and track down some history on this car. I posted ads across the country basically on craigslist looking for anyone that might remember the car. I got a response back from a gentlemen that said the guy that use to race the cars name was Jerry Allen . The email contained the phone number and address for Jerry. The gentlemen that emailed me told me the guys name I bought it from also. He also stated that Dave ( the guy I bought it from) , Jerry ( the guy Dave bought it from) and Clayton ( the guy that emailed me off one of my adds) all still hang out. He also stated that Jerry still races and is a great out going guy. However I have called Jerry three times and left messages on his recorder explaining who I am and what I was looking for. I never got a return call. So I was wondering do I try and send him a letter explaining my intentions with a couple pictures of the car. I'm just looking for any history on the car. Any thoughts or ideas?

[Postsedan]

Mike,

You`re on a good trail....yes - I would mail him a letter.....perhaps a certified letter <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[chevyman0429]

I crawled under this old beast yesterday to get the dated code off the center section to try and verify if the rear is possibly original to this car! Well I don’t believe it has a date cast into the back passenger side of the center section. The axle tube reads Kf. 0529 F
E
So that stamped date I think reads may 29 correct ? Would the date that’s usually cast into the center be some place else? My other Fremont built chevelle has it cast in the center section.

[Jonesy]

Thats the rear axle tube stamping. Rear was built May 29th.

KF = 3.55:1 ~ 12-bolt Positraction, large ring gear (L35/396, L34/396, & L78/396)*

The pumpkin will have a casting date code on it.

[Jonesy]

Nevermind: the Camaro rear is different.

[Mr70]

Chevelles 12bolt casting dates are in a different place.

[Jonesy]

Thanks for the correction on my post:biggthumpup:

[OneStopRestoration]

Chevyman0429,

I was wanting to understand, did the car originally come with wheel well moldings like other SS cars or because it was a 300 deluxe did they drop those? Maybe PostSedan has the information on this? I only ask as I have a hugger orange 300 deluxe SS and have been back and forth with my dad on wether I should pick up an OEM set or not.

[chevyman0429]

Mine has the holes for the molding but no molding wether it was there when new I do not know! I believe it was and option! U have a 300 deluxe hardtop in Monaco orange?

[OneStopRestoration]

I do. Mine also had the holes but my car was wrecked and repainted and I was suspect that any previous owner could have added them. This car was talked about on the website here years ago. I managed to come across it and pick it up for cheap. It looks rough, but is actually very solid in the floors and trunk. It will take some work but will be a top end show car when im finished.

[chevyman0429]

I’m gonna send u a pm

I do. Mine also had the holes but my car was wrecked and repainted and I was suspect that any previous owner could have added them. This car was talked about on the website here years ago. I managed to come across it and pick it up for cheap. It looks rough, but is actually very solid in the floors and trunk. It will take some work but will be a top end show car when im finished.

[SS427]

This car was talked about on the website here years ago. I managed to come across it and pick it up for cheap. It looks rough, but is actually very solid in the floors and trunk. It will take some work but will be a top end show car when im finished.

By chance did this car come out of Mason City, Illinois? Previous owner was Tom S.?

[OneStopRestoration]

Rick,

I cant say if it did or didnt. I purchased the car from a guy that lived in Gladstone, IL. I cant recall if he was the person that bought it from ebay when it was known on this site a few years back. The car is Baltimre built and then was sold in Newport News VA. Funny how it made its way to Az and then back across the country.

[jer]

All SS396, Z25 equipped chevelles in '69 received the wheel well moldings no matter if they were 13427, 13437, 13637, 13667, or 13680 models. Chevy pierced the upper 5 holes in the fenders and quarters, but drilled the rest of the holes when the moldings were required. When I say drilled, they were drilled with the self tapping screws for the moldings. So the moldings were located with the upper 5, then the linesman would self tap the rest following the molding. Also, the oem moldings have the upper center hole as just that, a hole. The rest are slotted. The repops are all slotted, including the upper center.

[chevyman0429]

Alrite crawled back under this car looking for a cast date in the center section! It is not there as seen in the pictures. Did they cast the dates in different locations? Here the pics

[chevyman0429]

The stamped date on the axle tube is 5-29 the build date on the cowl tag is 05A so probably not original to car but is a KF 3:55 69 rear

[Kurt S]

What's the build date via NCRS?

[chevyman0429]

All the years I’ve owned this car everything pointed to it being a real SS. Car has all the SS emblems, disk brakes, big block steering shaft, 12 bolt, the rear trailing arm reinforcement brackets and a ss hood but not the ss trim bar across the top of the glove box. For some reason or the other I thought it said Malibu but a couple months back I happen to walk by the car and glance over to see in fact it did not say Malibu it had been painted over with flat black spray paint. So I grabbed so goof off and started rubbing away and sure enough turns out it also says SS396. First picture u can still see the black paint on it second picture is it completely cleaned up and it’s flawless.

[chevyman0429]

what's the build date via ncrs?

5-8-69

[Fastime]

Rick,

I cant say if it did or didnt. I purchased the car from a guy that lived in Gladstone, IL. I cant recall if he was the person that bought it from ebay when it was known on this site a few years back. The car is Baltimre built and then was sold in Newport News VA. Funny how it made its way to Az and then back across the country.
I am looking for a 69 Hugger Orange Deluxe 300, seen the one you had on the thread. Long shot, but do you still have the car and would you be interested in selling. I had the exact car when I was 16, sold in 1976.

[Fastime]

I do. Mine also had the holes but my car was wrecked and repainted and I was suspect that any previous owner could have added them. This car was talked about on the website here years ago. I managed to come across it and pick it up for cheap. It looks rough, but is actually very solid in the floors and trunk. It will take some work but will be a top end show car when im finished.

Any chance this car may be available. Had one just like it in 1975.

[Postsedan]

Welcome aboard Jack :)

I certainly hope you find a 1969 Monaco Orange 300 Deluxe Coupe Chevelle.
I will certainly keep my eyes OPEN.

Dan