Project: Hot rodding a 69 Nova

[Bill Rose]

This is my new project for the near future. I've been looking for a nice rust free 69 Nova, to build a hot rod out of. No numbers this time, just a cool dependable fast, noisy driver.

Many of you know the car, that I got from Tom Williams. I know some may not like the idea of hot rodding an original car like this, but with a 6 cyl powerglide nova, I don't see an issue. I'll probably save the motor, trans, & rear, and stick it in a corner, so if and when the car is sold, the drive train will go with it.

It will be driven around this summer, while I get parts together for a big block, 4 speed, change over. The body was a rust free survivor, with the original vinyl roof, interior, trunk spatter paint, etc. Tom did a cosmetic restoration. It was striped to bare steel, all the dings removed, and painted.

I have a very long list of parts I need, but it should be a fun project. I already have the big block core, a new Auto gear M22, and some other odds and ends. The plan is to build a stock looking healthy big block/4 speed. Maybe some day 2 stuff, like a tach/gauges, cheater slicks, and who knows what else.

Looking forward to some advise from the hot rodders here. I'm use to numbers and inspection marks, but not this time. I wanta go fast, make a lot of noise, and go cuuzing. I will post pictures as this project progresses.

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The floor were like new. The whole car is like this.

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Original trunk pan/spatter paint.

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[Bill Rose]

Here's the 1st project for the 6 banger-to- big block/m22 conversion. I found some very nice Gm clutch pedal parts, including the bell crank all the rods, switches. They look a bit rusty, but most of that is just dirt. I also found a nice floor shift steering column. It all goes in the blaster cabinet tomorrow, then paint, and will be put in storage, until they're needed.

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Well, here's my 1st before & after shot. The hole in the bell-crank for the clutch fork rod was a bit warn and oval shaped. I made a little copper jig/tube to put in the hole, and Albert welded around the copper, to make the hole smaller/the correct size again, for the rod. Then some minor grinding and re-drilling the hole, and it was good as new.

Then I blasted all the stuff (thanks Albert for the use of the cabinet) and painted everything. Soooooo, the fun has begun. The motor goes to the machine shop tomorrow evening. Lots of plans for that. Thanks to Bill Waters/Chris Straub for all the advise. We're looking for horsepower in the 500 range, with the combination in the plan, and some pocket porting. It should be a fun project.

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[Postsedan]

Bill,

Congrats....looking forward to seeing this project. You are the right owner for this project <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[Xplantdad]

This should be fun to watch!

[x Baldwin Motion]

It sounds like a great plan Bill. I would also like to do 4spd conversion on the 69 Nova in the future, I'll be watching closely.


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[WILMASBOYL78]

Looks like a good start Bill...but, I don't think 500 horsepower will be enough to get Albert's attention <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

...of course in a light weight car like that Nova you should be able to spot him a car length or two and still catch him on the top end <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

wilma

[markinnaples]

That car is beautiful, love the color and how clean it is.

Your plan sounds like a lot of fun, and looking forward to watching your progress.

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like a good start Bill...but, I don't think 500 horsepower will be enough to get Albert's attention <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

...of course in a light weight car like that Nova you should be able to spot him a car length or two and still catch him on the top end <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

wilma </div></div>

Someone please, video tape this grudge match <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[mockingbird812]

Can't wait to see this unfold. PLEASE keep us posted Bill! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/laugh.gif

[427.060]

Sounds like a great project. What engine/head combo are you using?
James

[Bill Rose]

James, still not 100% sure on the engine details, but it will have the COPO/L 78 look to it, with a 163 intake, cast iron ex manifolds, smog, etc. I have an Autogear M22 sitting here with nothing to do. I'll probably stick a Moser 12 bolt in it. It should be a bullet proof drivetrain. We're looking for about 475-500 hp. No trailer queen this time. It's gonna be a fun car.

[Bill Rose]

Been busy with the Nova project, although the car doesn't look any different. The machine work on the motor is done. Just need the cam and springs, so we can finish up the heads.

The floor shift steering column is done. So are the pedals, and clutch linkage.

The new Moser rear came today. That thing is a work of art. I got it with 342's and an Eaton posi unit, with those strong Moser axles.

Still lots to do to get ready for the drive train swap, but I'm way ahead of where I thought I'd be in early April.

Here's a few shots of the progress.



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[kwhizz]

Looking good......Keep those pic's coming

[Postsedan]

Bill,

Very Nice, does that Moser Rear End have a breather? Can you drill an original style breather into the same location, to give it that stock look.

Dan

[Bill Rose]

It does have a breather Dan, but not where I would have put it. It's on top of the left side tube, about 6&quot; from the pumpkin. No one asked me where to but the hole, when they were designing the 12 bolts..lol...I'm not crazy about drilling a hole in the cast iron for a vent, but I wouldn't rule it out. They also don't have brake line clips, but I understand Inline Tube makes a repro, thats works. I'm doing this project to keep it out of the trailer, away from numbers, and paint daubs, but I seem to be drawn toward that world anyway.....

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Rose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It does have a breather Dan, but not where I would have put it. It's on top of the left side tube, about 6&quot; from the pumpkin. No one asked me where to but the hole, when they were designing the 12 bolts..lol...I'm not crazy about drilling a hole in the cast iron for a vent, but I wouldn't rule it out. They also don't have brake line clips, but I understand Inline Tube makes a repro, thats works. I'm doing this project to keep it out of the trailer, away from numbers, and paint daubs, but I seem to be drawn toward that world anyway..... </div></div>

Bill,

I totally understand.....it`s very hard to walk away from that world of paint daubs, decals and numbers.... I trust you`ll make it &quot;Right&quot; and have fun!

Dan

[Bill Rose]

Got the rear done. Just need the brake stuff. Shoes, spring kit, cables, brake lines, etc should all be here in a day or two. Got a little more of the motor assembled, but still waiting for engine parts too.

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[Postsedan]

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Dan

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan </div></div>


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[300deluxeL79]

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art! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[IM RARE]

you have a nice rear end LOL

[slammed1]

Thats a killer clean car to start out with,very nice.Will be watching for updates and pictures.

[WILMASBOYL78]

Do I get to drive it &quot;once&quot; when it's done? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif


wilma <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

[Salvatore]

will be waaay to stout for you Wilma.....old boy!

[92646]

Hey Bill,
I came by this picture from along time ago. One of the best built cars I ever owned. I sold it because I wanted a numbers cars. 20/20 hindsight, it was not one of my better moves.

[Bill Rose]

Yea, 20 20 hindsight, I shouldn't have sold it. That was my 1st modern day restoration. I got that car in boxes. I had a lot of fun in that noisy hot rod. Thanks for the memories Mark...

I got into the numbers too. Built 2 numbers/trailer queens, and now I'm back to building this Nova. Lots of progress/not much that I can show with pictures. Spent the past several weeks building a motor. I have the big block all assembled, and ready for a coat of Chevy orange/maybe tomorrow...

[Bill Rose]

I haven't done an update for a while. Not much to post pictures about, but I got a lot done in the past month or so. I pretty much got the whole motor built. It just needs a few external parts, like the smog system, fan, plugs/wires, etc. All easy stuff.

I have to send out a huge thanks to Bill Waters, who took me thru the whole engine build. He made the mistake of answering my 1st email about building the 454 I'd just picked up. From there Bill had great advise every step of the way, from the crank, rods, pistons, to building the heads, and everything else that went into this build. We have probably a hundred emails between us, from early morning, to late at night, every day since day 1 of this engine build. Bill also had to deal with my very stubborn demand that this engine look very &quot;factory correct&quot;....so no headers, aftermarket anything.....not easy to do when someone wants to go fast, but look stock!!

Some engine details: Steel Scat crank, H-beam rods, forged low dome pistons, block and heads both decked, Chris Straub hyd roller, with Morel roller lifters, Cloyes true roller chain, and a Hays steel flywheel.

Heads: 781 open chamber heads, were completely redone, with bigger valves 1.88/2.19...pocket ported, Scorpion rockers, custom length push rods.....long story in itself. Bill was very patient as I learned the process for correctly measuring rods.

Then topped off with a 163 GM intake, and 780 Holley. Factory exhaust manifolds, but a free breathing ex system, to be determined at a later date.

Here's a few shots of the almost finished engine. It should make the little Nova move a bit better than the 155hp, 6cyl thats in the car now.

The M22 and rear are ready to go too. Not sure when the new drivetrain will go into the car, but it may be sooner than originally planned.


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[WILMASBOYL78]

It won't be a &quot;Granny&quot; anymore <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

wilma

[Salvatore]

This engine is going to get the smog set-up Bill?

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This engine is going to get the smog set-up Bill? </div></div>
Yes, it's getting the factory cast iron ex manifolds with smog. It will look like an L-78/COPO engine comp. Sort of a COPO Nova thing, with no engine size emblems on the body. Plain jane, big power plant/4 speed, 12 bolt.

[Postsedan]

Plain jane, big power plant/4 speed, 12 bolt.
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Love it! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Bill will you Dyno her? Who`s clutch and pressure plate? Hays?

Dan

[Salvatore]

may have a tough time beating Albert with no tubes and the smog set-up. You never know though.

[Bill Rose]

Actually, Alberts car is getting manifolds and smog too.

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Plain jane, big power plant/4 speed, 12 bolt.
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Bill will you Dyno her? Who`s clutch and pressure plate? Hays?

Dan </div></div>
I'm probably not going to dyno the motor Dan. They'd probably blow it up. If anyone is gonna blow it up, it's gonna be me....lol...

Not sure what clutch to go with yet. I have 2 Centerforce clutches. One is good, the other is junk. Maybe a Ram. I've heard good things about Ram. The flywheel is a Hays.

[Postsedan]

Hays has a good Street/Strip Clutch, look into Zoom too. I`m done with Centerforce.

Dan

[Salvatore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Rose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually, Alberts car is getting manifolds and smog too. </div></div>You guys going to run that Pure Stock circuit? I have a Hays in my Z/28. No problems.

[Xplantdad]

Bill...one word....Beautiful!

[Gary Anderson]

Bill &amp; Dan,

Just curious, what are your issues with Centerforce?

Regards,
Gary Anderson

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Rose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>You guys going to run that Pure Stock circuit? </div></div>
I have no plans to drag race the Nova. This is just a toy to goof around with, but if I'm at a car show at a drag strip, I'd take it for a spin down the track and see what happens. I just prefer the factory correct look.

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gary Anderson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill &amp; Dan,

Just curious, what are your issues with Centerforce?

Regards,
Gary Anderson </div></div>

I have 2 cars with Centerforce clutches. One has a pretty bad chattering issue. The other one is ok. I just decided to try something different.

[Bill Rose]

The plan was to drive the Nova around most of the summer, then start pulling the car apart. Well the plan has changed. I decided to start the project now.

First step, pull the battery out, and remove the rad cap, then drain the water. Then I started pulling the nose off. I also removed the gas tank and all the fuel lines, because I wanted all the gas out of my shop for safety reasons.

I got way more done than I planned for one afternoon/evening. The trans is out, after a major fluid spill. The motor is ready to come out....probably tomorrow evening.

lots more to do, but it's a great start. I'm beat!

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[Postsedan]

When your organized, passionate, and eager it`s amazing how much get`s done <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Well done Bill <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

Dan

[mockingbird812]

Good stuff Bill. Keep us posted! Very inspirational!!!!!!!!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/laugh.gif

[Postsedan]

Why do I have a feeling that the next picture we see.....will be the subframe completely off....all suspension disassembled and heading to paint or powder coat? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

It`s always difficult to stop on these type of projects especially if your like Bill <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do I have a feeling that the next picture we see.....will be the subframe completely off....all suspension disassembled and heading to paint or powder coat? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

It`s always difficult to stop on these type of projects especially if your like Bill <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan </div></div>


LOL...........Spoken from Experience..........

[Alss]

I wondered when this would happen?. ..cherry picker is in the barn. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[WILMASBOYL78]

Those pics of the nose off the car bring back memories. Looks like the process has begun.

Good luck..wilma

[njsteve]

Give a mouse a cookie....
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[92646]

I told Bill the car would be upside down in his garage with him scraping the undercoating off by July 4th. He is ahead of schedule like a typical perfectionist.

[Bill Rose]

Lots of progress this evening. Got the engine out, removed the column shift steering column, auto pedal assembly, many small parts like wipers, wire harnesses. Also got all the brake lines, and master out, all in the garbage. Here's a few shots of the progress, and my storage issues, which I have to deal with. The whole shop is a mess. By tomorrow night, I hope to get everything stored away, and get the dozens of tools put away.

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[mockingbird812]

Gutsiest move I've seen all day.... A man taking photos of his &quot;mess&quot;! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Bill Rose]

I made a lot of progress today. Got the rear axle out, and the sub-frame. The goal here is to get the body ready for the rotisserie, so I can flip the body upside down, and get all the undercoating off everything. I hate undercoating!! All I have left to do, is to remove the rear bumper, and it should be ready. The frame is almost ready to go to the sand blaster. I just have to pull the control arms off. Here's a few more pics of the progress.

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[napa68]

I'm really diggin the build. Keep the progress report coming!

Tim

[wheelhop]

Bill,
why do you have two downspouts right next to each other on the left side of your garage?

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Rose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I made a lot of progress today. Got the rear axle out, and the sub-frame. The goal here is to get the body ready for the rotisserie, so I can flip the body upside down, and get all the undercoating off everything. I hate undercoating!! All I have left to do, is to remove the rear bumper, and it should be ready. The frame is almost ready to go to the sand blaster. I just have to pull the control arms off. Here's a few more pics of the progress.

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Ha, I knew I`d see you going this far....Love it....I would be doing the same.
Well done Bill......I too hate undercoat <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif

Dan

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill,
why do you have two downspouts right next to each other on the left side of your garage? </div></div>

Because he can <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
Dual Exhaust option.....put some &quot;Rolled Tips&quot; on them downspouts <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill,
why do you have two downspouts right next to each other on the left side of your garage? </div></div>
Jim....Yer suppose to be looking at the car, not the downspouts, but if you want to discuss downspouts, I'm up for it. Simply look at my El Camino signature picture below, for the dual downspout details.

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Rose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill,
why do you have two downspouts right next to each other on the left side of your garage? </div></div>
Jim....Yer suppose to be looking at the car, not the downspouts, but if you want to discuss downspouts, I'm up for it. Simply look at my El Camino signature picture below, for the dual downspout details. </div></div>

Bill,

Jim has OCDDD....get it?

Dan

[Bill Rose]

I haven't posted progress pis in a while. I got the frame out, it's blasted. I also have the body work on the frame done. I also have most of the front end parts painted. Still have to work on the control arms. Have to fix some minor pitting, then press all the bushings in. Here's some pics of the progress.

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This is the original idler arm. Got all the paint off it, and detailed it. It's still tight.
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Tom had put new brakes on the Nova, so I used them on the new 12 bolt.
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I also got the high build primer on the frame today. It should be ready for the top coat, after another sanding session.

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[Xplantdad]

Looking good Bill! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[92646]

Bill, You make it look so easy. I have had projects in the past out here in California that have not got this far in 2 years.
Mark Sheppard

[Postsedan]

Bill,

Looking very nice, I would expect nothing less <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[mockingbird812]

Very nice Bill! Thanks for keeping us posted!

[kwhizz]

Great Job!!!

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 92646</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill, You make it look so easy. I have had projects in the past out here in California that have not got this far in 2 years.
Mark Sheppard </div></div>
Actually Mark, this one has been easy so far. It's been fun stuff like building the motor, trans, rear, and front end. The frame will be painted by tomorrow evening, then I can assemble the chassis. If it was like work, I wouldn't be doing it, I guess.

The worst is yet to come/undercoating removal.....yikes! But Albert is loaning me his rotisserie for the project. I hope to have that done in a couple weeks. Lots of car shows coming up, so I won't be able to get as much done. I'll keep plugging away until it's done.

Thanks for the feedback/more pics to come.

[Bill Rose]

Albert was able to paint his wheels because I was able to get my newly painted frame out of the booth, because it finally stopped raining.

Well, I'm on my way now. Lots of progress, and on to the &quot;funner&quot; stuff. Got the frame painted and started assembling it. I need some hardware for the assembly, that never got here after ordering it last week. I called and made a stink....it will be here tomorrow.

I'm gonna take a few days off and take the Elky to an AACA show this weekend, then back to business, finishing up the frame.

The rotisserie is also available now, so the body undercoating removal will begin next week. Here's some shots of the progress.


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[mockingbird812]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Bill Rose]

Ok, back home from the AACA show, and back to the Nova. Lots of stuff done. Pretty much got the chassis finished. Just a few odds and ends to finish up. Now on to the body/undercoating removal. I'm not looking forward to this job, but I hate undercoating so it's all coming off. With the trailer still hooked up to the truck, I went over to Alberts to pick up the rotisserie. Got the body mounted on the rotisserie today, and the undercoating removal will begin soon.

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A few more pictures of the progress.

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[Xplantdad]

You go Bill! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[markinnaples]

Love the gold.

[x Baldwin Motion]

wow, nice work Bill (but that's to be expected) <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Bill Rose]

Thanks for the positive feedback folks. I'll keep adding progress pics if anyone is interested.

Lots of progress. I got the majority of the undercoating off. I still have some small areas to clean up a bit more. Mostly it was removed with fire and scraping. Then cleaned it up with a DA, and wire wheel on the grinder. Also used some paint remover in tight areas.

I'm very happy with the condition of the underbody. You never know what you'll find when removing undercoating, but this car was 99% rust free. Just a couple areas of surface rust, which I'll fix with some body work. Also got the firewall stripped. Found a couple numbers under the black paint. Also found big check mark. Not sure what that was for. Here's a few pics.

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I still have to remove, and redo the seam sealer.

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Also got these 2 pieces done today.

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[Postsedan]

Bill,

You get a BiG Check Mark....Looking Great <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

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Dan

[WILMASBOYL78]

Nice work Bill....the #65 is for the Olympic Gold paint.

wilma

[mockingbird812]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif Love it!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Nice firewall codes; the 'A' is for the black interior stuff, '65' for the paint, and I'm guessing this is a v/t top car with that giant 'V'??

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice firewall codes; the 'A' is for the black interior stuff, '65' for the paint, and I'm guessing this is a v/t top car with that giant 'V'?? </div></div>

I was wondering what that mark could mean Marlin. Now that you mention it, it does look like a big V. I've never seen this before. I'll probably put the codes back when I'm done, and I should know what the V means. Makes sense to me.

[ban617]

Hi ,very nice work on the car so far.... I have a couple of questions. Did you replace the a arm bushings and then paint them? What did you coat your drag link with to protect it? Are the washers on the upper a-arms bare metal or painted black ?
Thanks Rob

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ban617</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Hi ,very nice work on the car so far.... I have a couple of questions. Did you replace the a arm bushings and then paint them? What did you coat your drag link with to protect it? Are the washers on the upper a-arms bare metal or painted black ?
Thanks Rob </div></div>

I prime and paint one coat on the control arms, then install the bushings. Then I mask off the bushings and repaint the black. The drag link has cast iron paint on it. The upper a-arm bushings should be natural or nickel plated. I used a phos paint, but I'll change them before the project is finished.

[Bill Rose]

It's been a busy couple weeks. Got the rest of the bottom striped of all the undercoating. Then sanded it one last time. Then sand blasted the tight areas, that I couldn't reach with the sander..

Yesterday I stuck the whole thing in the trailer, and took it around the corner to Alberts shop, to prime, and paint the bottom in his spray booth. It came out great. Tomorrow it comes back here, and the Elky goes in the trailer for GM Carlisle. When I get back, I hope to start the assembly process.

I also found a tack that fits the factory dash bezel. I got the dash all cleaned up, and reassembled/ready to go back in the car.

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[mockingbird812]

<span style="font-size: 20pt">Remarkable amount and quality of work Bill!</span>

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 20pt">Remarkable amount and quality of work Bill!</span> </div></div>

x 1000

[markinnaples]

Mr. Rose, your work is awesome, and your El Camino is ridiculously nice.

[ban617]

Nice work thanks for the info...

[elonblock]

Beautiful work!

[Bill Rose]

After getting home from the GM Nationals/Solid Lifter Showroom, I jumped right back in. I stuck the chassis back on the Nova. I also put all the brake and fuel lines on, that I picked up at the show.

I also got the sound deadener in.

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I also picked these up from Paul in the Solid Lifter Showroom over the weekend. I blasted and primed them. Still deciding on a color, but yellow is probably the #1 choice.
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[mockingbird812]

Yellow tabs on a gold car...... <span style="font-size: 23pt">N. I. C. E. !!!!</span> <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[PxTx]

Looking good. You've got great taste Bill, so whatever you choose will seem natural and correct. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[Bill Rose]

Lots of progress since getting back from the Maryland Chevelle Show. Got the exhaust manifolds back from alum skinning. I'll paint them tonight, and put them on the motor.

I also picked up a shinny new stainless steel gas tank at the show. It's a very nice piece from Ground-Up. It fit like the original.

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Picked up the rear leaf springs at the Md show, disassembled, stripped and sanded, then painted and reassembled them, and bolted them to the rear.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3797_zpscbede862.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3797_zpscbede862.jpg.html)

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Got the rear installed. It fought me a bit, but it all fell into place.
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I just painted the manifolds, so I added a picture of them.
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I also started bolting parts on the firewall, like all the new power brake parts, and w/s motor.
http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3816_zps2d00e96f.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3816_zps2d00e96f.jpg.html)

Anyone who may know, I'm looking for a pic of the bracket that holds the front to rear brake line, to the hose. I'm not sure what it looks like, or where it goes.
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[Postsedan]

Looking Great Bill <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[Plowman]

Look's cool Bill.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Wow, just found this thread, crazy good.

Bill you must have some serious time dedicated to this build.

looking forward to meeting at NOCC.

Ryan

Constructive criticism...can't think of even one single thing.

[napa68]

This is like a NJ Steve thread. Really enjoyable work Bill!

Tim

[jasonL78]

Best picture I have of it. If you need one I think I have one?

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/jasonchale/IMG_8482.jpg (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/jasonchale/media/IMG_8482.jpg.html)

[Plowman]

I like it,it's cool. Some thing I wish I could have all ways wanted to do.

[njsteve]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: napa68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is like a NJ Steve thread. Really enjoyable work Bill!

Tim </div></div>

No, this one actually goes somewhere and progresses rapidly. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif

[Bill Rose]

Thanks for the feedback. The resto continues. I got the Autogear M22 ready to go. Jason, I also found the brake line bracket. Thanks for the offer though.

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[69 Post Sedan]

Looks great Bill. Did you get the standard 2.20 first gear M22 or the M22W with the 2.52?

Kurt

[ban617]

Hi the nice work continues ...Which black did you use on the sub frame and car ? Since there seems to a hundred different blacks....
Keep up the nice work makes me wanna start workin on stuff.......

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks great Bill. Did you get the standard 2.20 first gear M22 or the M22W with the 2.52?

Kurt </div></div>
It's the M22W, with the 1969 shaft design Kurt.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ban617</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi the nice work continues ...Which black did you use on the sub frame and car ? Since there seems to a hundred different blacks....
Keep up the nice work makes me wanna start workin on stuff....... </div></div>

I wanted a flatter satin black on this car. I also wanted to do it with spray cans, since the frame is small, and I'm not painting the car, so I wanted less paint flying around, like you have with a gun. I also wanted something I could touch up easily. So after looking at several types of satin black, I decided to go with SEM trim paint.

[Bill Rose]

So today was a big day. I had all day to get something done. Decided to stick the motor and trans in. The motor went right in/no issues except it's a tight space for a Chevy big block.

Then it was time to stick the trans in. It shouldn't really be a big deal, just put it up there and push.....right? Well I spent 2 hours trying to drive it in that last 1/2&quot; .......no way it was going to go in. I finally decided to pull it back out and look for the problem. Well I found why.

The cheap piece of $hit throwout bearing fell apart. I can believe Summit would sell this piece of junk. My fault for not paying close attention to the bearing that cam with the clutch package. Lesson learned I guess. See pic below. The bearing had a cheap tin foil ring pressed on it, to hold it in place, instead of a steel one piece bearing.

Lesson: Don't use the cheap bearing that comes with the clutch kit!!!

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3829_zps56bb91be.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3829_zps56bb91be.jpg.html)

This is what it looked like before it fell apart.
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This is after it broke off.
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[wheelhop]

If that's the hot rod you say it is, you don't need a throw out bearing. Just jam It in the next gear and go!!

[njsteve]

OUCH! Who makes the clutch kit for Summit? I know Zoom makes clutches for NAPA, maybe they make them for Summit, too?

[Bill Rose]

Steve....The clutch kit is a Ram. It's not a thousand dollar clutch, but it's a good street clutch. It was $400 for the clutch, pres plate, and &quot;throwout bearing&quot; I sent Summit pictures, and let them know how much time it cost me. We'll see what happens.

[Postsedan]

URGH! What`s even worse is having a problem like this without a lift......Bill I think I heard you swearing yesterday all the way in Chicago....HA, &quot;ECHOES Of NORWOOD&quot; more like....
&quot;ECHOES OF Rose&quot;

Hope Summit does the &quot;Right&quot; thing! Your getting close now, looking Great <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[mockingbird812]

Bill - Good response (to Summit w/ pix). Keep us posted on whether they do the right thing or not.

P.S. your M.O. L78 'El C' looks BAD *SS lurking in the background!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif

[napa68]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OUCH! Who makes the clutch kit for Summit? I know Zoom makes clutches for NAPA, maybe they make them for Summit, too? </div></div>

Those are made by Luk. Not perfect though. It's getting tough to find a throw out bearing that does not have a plastic collar.

[Bill Rose]

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[69VN]

I believe you can still get a throwout bearing from GM. I bought mine at HBC. Here is the link:

http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/15144/Camaro-Clutch-throw-out-bearing-AC-1969/

You might want to check with the parts department at your local GM dealership. The price maybe slightly lower. Hope this helps.

[Bill Rose]

Thanks Sal, but I already have a Centerforce bearing ordered. I should have it on Monday. I have 2 Centerforce bearings on other cars, with no issues.

Lots to do in the mean time. It took all day today to do the fairly simple job, painting the metal parts of the dash, clove comp, ash tray, etc.

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[njsteve]

Actually, it looks like you were building a fort for your kids to play in. All you need is an extra refrigerator box or two and you can have the entire castle. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Bill Rose]

Yea Steve, it took all morning to built the fort, and about 5 mins to paint the dash. It's a whole different project restoring a car that has already been painted. I've spent a number of hrs masking off the gold paint throughout this project.

[Postsedan]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[BJCHEV396]

Just started reading this thread.Couldn't stop till going thru the whole 12 pages.Great work!

[Bill Rose]

I got a few more projects done on the Nova. The metal parts of the dash are always fun to paint. Had to redo it 3 times before the paint would stick, and not fisheye, but it came out nice.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3841_zps8cacc055.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3841_zps8cacc055.jpg.html)

I got the new shifter installed. Not a simple job with the Aurogear M22. The case is heftier, so the bracket for the shifter doesn't work without mods.....but I got some good advise from Ed Hartnett...done!

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3853_zps81b06a95.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3853_zps81b06a95.jpg.html)

I also decided to redo the trunk. Too many scratches for me to deal with. It looks blotchy from the camera flash....It came out nice/looks great.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3868_zpsc5a5cca1.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3868_zpsc5a5cca1.jpg.html)

Also got the heater core in. So the whole unit can go in now.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3867_zps3de1c136.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3867_zps3de1c136.jpg.html)

I bought a new throwout bearing!!!...One that I didn't have to &quot;throwout&quot;..........The M22 is in, the shifter works fine, and some good news, the drive shaft works. I just have to restore it, and put new u-joints in it. The back u-joint has to be 2 sizes to fit the Moser rear yoke.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3863_zps38f8c917.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3863_zps38f8c917.jpg.html)

The shifter is thru the floor, but I have to enlarge the hole, and add the boot and trim plates.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3875_zps0c02d8f1.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3875_zps0c02d8f1.jpg.html)

Also got the rear window sill repainted, new package tray, and back seat divider, and insulation.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3876_zps18495c3c.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3876_zps18495c3c.jpg.html)

Thats it for now. I have a family wedding...back to work in a few days.

[mockingbird812]

Nice Bill! You're making great progress and it looks fantastic. Keep the photos coming!

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice Bill! You're making great progress and it looks fantastic. Keep the photos coming! </div></div>

X2 <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Wow, going very well.

That transmission is going to bang gears nicely.

Ryan

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice Bill! You're making great progress and it looks fantastic. Keep the photos coming! </div></div>

X2 <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan </div></div>

x 3

[slammed1]

Excellent work on such a nice car,the modifications are spot on,wished I could find such a fine specimen to work on.

[Bill Rose]

Took the day off to check out Super Chevy/Maple Grove.

This is some of this weeks progress

I blasted the steering wheel with glass beads, to scuff it enough for the paint to stick.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3886_zpsae716207.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3886_zpsae716207.jpg.html)

Painted wheel/came out great!

<a href="http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3902_zpsa7b42827.jpg.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3902_zpsa7b42827.jpg</a>

I decided to put the hood grills on the car, much like a 69 Copo Chevelle would have. Lots of careful measuring and remeasuring and more remeasuring, then I got the drill out and did it!!! Thats it for any exterior mods.
http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3882_zpsc5c3aa20.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3882_zpsc5c3aa20.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3885_zps00c3bc19.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3885_zps00c3bc19.jpg.html)

I stripped the bottom of the hood, then etch primed and top coated it with satin black.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3899_zpsd932d570.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3899_zpsd932d570.jpg.html)

Got the drive shaft stripped, painted. Then new u-joints and stripes, and installed in the car.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3889_zps6e57dbcf.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3889_zps6e57dbcf.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3894_zps2133e735.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3894_zps2133e735.jpg.html)

I also got the wheel wells blasted. After a bit of pitting repair from battery acid over the years, they will be primed and painted, hopefully this week.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3888_zps23607dfd.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3888_zps23607dfd.jpg.html)

[68l30]

Looking great! Did you add the brackets at the rear of the hood to hold the inserts?

Looks like that wheel came out very nice!!


BIG

[69VN]

I'm jealous! Nice ride!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[Bill Rose]

The progress continues, although it took a detour this week. I wasn't planning on doing any body/paint work, but I had a little mishap, and dinged the hood. Not a problem really. I got some of the base coat with the car, and it's Sherwin Williams, the brand I always use. Dents fixed, and will be painted when I can get some booth time. The hood is scuffed. It just needs some color on a couple spots, then a couple coats of clear......Then sanding and buffing. So far it looks good.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3903_zps30939242.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3903_zps30939242.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3910_zps235d2070.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3910_zps235d2070.jpg.html)

I got the radiator support and inner fenders done. Had to do some pitting repair, but nothing too terrible.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3919_zpsa004a88d.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3919_zpsa004a88d.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3920_zpsf286948a.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3920_zpsf286948a.jpg.html)

I also got the whole smog system on the engine. All went well, except the the JUNK repro pump bracket. Luckily Albert's parts supply had a real one in stock.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3917_zpsac7ea481.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3917_zpsac7ea481.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3918_zpsa09a8ffe.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3918_zpsa09a8ffe.jpg.html)

I also got the driveshaft installed. That took about 5 mins.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3923_zps0715d431.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3923_zps0715d431.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3922_zpsd5b19d2d.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3922_zpsd5b19d2d.jpg.html)

Then I decided to blast the battery tray. Not sure what paint was on it, but the blast cabinet didn't even scratch it. So I broke out the paint remover. I think it was painted with the same paint they use on the bottom of the space shuttle.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3915_zpsc8fa73f9.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3915_zpsc8fa73f9.jpg.html)

I have some custom wire harnesses being made by American Autowire. They are great to work with, even if you're a pain in the a$$ like me, and want special wiring done. Donny is making me a harness that has all the plugs for the Shiftworks in dash tach.

Gonna take a break and head out to the Ohio Chevelle show. Lots to do when I get back.

[L78racer]

maybe you know this but you are missing the u-bolt at the rear of the shifter bracket on the tail housing.

[Postsedan]

Bill,

Looking Fabulous, see you on Thursday....drive safe!

Dan

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe you know this but you are missing the u-bolt at the rear of the shifter bracket on the tail housing. </div></div>

It's not missing Paul, it was eliminated. The tail housing on the Autogear M22's is a larger diameter than a stock Muncie, so the u-bolt doesn't work/ too small. The mounting plate has been drilled for the Autogear trans. So it has regular 3/8&quot; bolts holding the mounting plate, much like a Chevelle set-up. The round part of the plate had to be re-ground to fit up against the larger diameter housing too........good eye though!! I got good advise from Ed Hartnett in Phily/the Muncie guru.

Yes Dan, we'll see you Thurs......looking forward to this one......big time!!

[L78racer]

ok great. i built a hotrod from a 18k mile '68 granny nova years ago. LS6 w/077 heads, 4 spd. lotsa fun.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Ls6racer/Nova/Nova_Alum2.jpg

[Postsedan]

Nice! Was that color Island Teal or Grotto Blue?

Dan

[L78racer]

the car was teal blue. blue custom interior.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Ls6racer/Nova/MVC00007.jpg

[Postsedan]

Great color combo <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Now back to the Bill Show <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

Dan

[Postsedan]

Bill,

Great seeing you at NOCC.....I bet your itching to jump back on the Nova.

Dan

[Bill Rose]

It was good to see you Dan, as well as the the other Chicago guys. It didn't take long to dive back into the Nova project. I had several boxes of small parts waiting for me when we got home. I also spent some time repainting the hood today. I ran into a snag, so I will hopefully finish up the repaint tomorrow. I also picked up the SMS vinyl roof at the Ohio show, so thats another project to do.

[Bill Rose]

I haven't posted progress pics in a few weeks. Been busy though. I also had a few car shows to get thru.

I put a ding in the hood, so I had a little fixit job to do. Dent fixed, color on the repair, cleared the whole hood, color sanded and buffed. No sign of the dent, and the moldings are back on the hood. Thanks Albert for the spray booth time.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3903_zps73928cc1.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3903_zps73928cc1.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3937_zps8a9fabec.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3937_zps8a9fabec.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3959_zps9ea2954f.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3959_zps9ea2954f.jpg.html)

I decided to replace the vinyl top. Picked up an SMS top, removed the old vinyl, cleaned all the glue off, installed the new roof. I also buffed all the moldings before putting them all back.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3952_zps80d4acb1.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3952_zps80d4acb1.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3979_zpsae3bad69.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3979_zpsae3bad69.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3981_zps931c2c99.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3981_zps931c2c99.jpg.html)

Done with the roof/moldings!! Took 3 days!!

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3983_zpscacd45e6.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3983_zpscacd45e6.jpg.html)

I got all the wire harnesses from American Autowire, and installed them. Also got the rad support radiator, shroud, etc installed. (Thanks Mike for the help with the placement of the radiator) Mike drew out all the dimensions for drilling the mounting holes. It came out great!!

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3989_zpsed67b720.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3989_zpsed67b720.jpg.html)

Picked up a new grill. I didn't like how it was painted, so I repainted it. Done/ready to install.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3955_zpse5668f53.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3955_zpse5668f53.jpg.html)

I also got the inner fenders done. Had them blasted, I repainted them, and put all new rubber on them.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3992_zps161fa908.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_3992_zps161fa908.jpg.html)

[Postsedan]

Bill,

Looks Great! There is no way my wife let`s me place any car parts in the house.....When I was single, my entire living room floor was filled with restored Chevelle parts <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif It was the best furniture <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[Bill Rose]

She should be happy I got the fenders out of there!! There's a plan in the works for a new building out back, just to store cars, and all the crap associated with them. That probably won't happen until the Nova is done/hopefully sometime before it gets too cold. I'll have to switch from car mode, to building mode somehow.

[wheelhop]

Well Bill, you've only got 3 months before winter and you still haven't got permits for your out-building!

[Postsedan]

Jim,

Bill works VERY Fast....plus he has Jersey connections <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

Dan

[firstgenaddict]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill,

Looks Great! There is no way my wife let`s me place any car parts in the house.....When I was single, my entire living room floor was filled with restored Chevelle parts <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif It was the best furniture <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan </div></div>

My living room is full of parts and the kitchen has a full set of GM parts books on the island counter, I don't even want to begin to discuss the walk in closet in the master... SW tach's sending units NOS parts. lol

[Bill Rose]

Realistically, I probably won't get to it until early spring. There's no huge hurry. Lots to do on the Nova, and I have to move the single car garage that's there now.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/Pict0026_zps7c38ee9b.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/Pict0026_zps7c38ee9b.jpg.html)

[Postsedan]

Bill,

Who ever owns your former '71 SS Chevelle is one lucky guy.

Dan

[Postsedan]

Bill,

No update since 8/26? You should be finished by now <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[Bill Rose]

Yea Dan, I'd like to see the 71 Chevelle back in my possession. That's a nice Chevelle, and someone offered me a boat load of cash for it........and I caved!!!

Been pretty on the busy on the Nova..... I got the seat belts out and dismantled them, cleaned um up, and reassembled/screwed them down.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4018_zpsdcbf83e9.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4018_zpsdcbf83e9.jpg.html)

I also got the front bumper, parking lights, brackets, ready to go back on the car.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4019_zps136a5c70.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4019_zps136a5c70.jpg.html)

I spent a lot of time getting the carpet down. The crappy repro carpets are a ball buster, but with a couple cans of spray glue, a heat gun and a lot of 4 letter words, it came out ok. Also got the back seat in.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4021_zps15f9a779.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4021_zps15f9a779.jpg.html)

Then there's the dash, steering column, radio, glove comp, and all the wireing to make it all work.....hopefully!!

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4025_zps32f0fecc.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4025_zps32f0fecc.jpg.html)

I also got the rear bumper, brackets lights, license plate/fuel door etc done.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4031_zps92eb2782.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4031_zps92eb2782.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4033_zps336a8777.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4033_zps336a8777.jpg.html)

The last 2 projects are to get the nose back on the car, after repainting the insides black. Then the exhaust system, which is ordered and should be here in 3 weeks. Then the most nerve racking part, firing up the new motor.

[Salvatore]

Geese Bill, I thought Tommy did all this work for the next owner so he did not have to do it. HUMMMMM?

[Craig_Maiorana]

Amazing work Bill .... to bad im no longer in jersey. I'd come give you a hand

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

You have it so nice,you won't want to drive it.Nice job!!

[69VN]

Car looks great! An amazing transformation from that original six banger! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[kwhizz]

Poifekt!!!!

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Geese Bill, I thought Tommy did all this work for the next owner so he did not have to do it. HUMMMMM? </div></div>

Tom did more of a cosmetic restoration. He had the car painted and cleaned up under the hood.

I decided to completely change the drivetrain, add disc brakes, etc. I also wanted all the undercoating gone, which meant it had to go on the rotisserie.

I bought the Nova for a project, as a low milage survivor that already had all the body and paint work done.

I also replaced items that a normal person would have left, like the roof, bumpers, carpet, etc........

Working on these cars is not work. I'm not real good at sitting around, so it's good to have a project like this to keep busy.

I spent 3 hrs last night trying to figure out why the brake lights wouldn't work, after installing all new wire harnesses. The brake like switch had power, and worked, the bulbs were new, etc.....turned out to be the cheap chinese turn signal switch.

Next project, getting the nose out, and back on the car.

[Postsedan]

Bill Rocks! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

Dan

[Plowman]

I like the car and it is very cool.

[markinnaples]

Nova looks good, but that '68 Chevelle makes me drool.

[Bill Rose]

Made some more progress over the last couple weeks. Finished up the interior, put an oil and water temp gauge in, for the upcoming fire the new motor party!!

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4063_zps74598948.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4063_zps74598948.jpg.html)

I got the fenders out. They needed some work. I repainted all the areas where the bolts had scratched the paint. Then sanded and buffed out the paint on both fenders.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4064_zpscbecad51.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4064_zpscbecad51.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4061_zps70493a4a.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4061_zps70493a4a.jpg.html)

I installed the wheel wells, before the fenders.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4066_zpsecd4bd90.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4066_zpsecd4bd90.jpg.html)

Installing the fenders. I put an old sheet down to prevent scratching. Then when the fender is in place, I remove it.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4077_zpse50c9f24.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4077_zpse50c9f24.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4078_zps1040f245.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4078_zps1040f245.jpg.html)

I took a ride to upstate NY to pick up the exhaust today.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4097_zpsea5b59ba.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4097_zpsea5b59ba.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4088_zps0ecab94a.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4088_zps0ecab94a.jpg.html)

Here's a couple shots of the car as it is now.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4092_zpsa0ed0a63.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4092_zpsa0ed0a63.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4085_zpsa3df9e9d.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4085_zpsa3df9e9d.jpg.html)

Next, I will get the exhaust installed, then the hood, and front bumper, headlight bezels, which I'm painting. I also will be sanding and buffing the doors and quarters, like I did with the fenders.

Then it's time to fire the motor. If that goes well, the Nova's a finished project.

[kwhizz]

Beautiful.............Just Freak'in Beautiful!!!..........Great Job Bill!!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

[Dave Rifkin]

My God you do beautiful work; and fast too.

[WILMASBOYL78]

And to think it started life looking like this....

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2013/09/full-1121-6803-bth_69nova1.jpg

[mockingbird812]

Nice Nice work Bill! She looks GREAT!

[Postsedan]

Bill,

Love everything you are doing <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif Well Done!

Dan

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Wow, no stone left unturned.

Great job.

Ryan

[69VN]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And to think it started life looking like this....

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2013/09/full-1121-6803-bth_69nova1.jpg
</div></div>


Excellent job Bill! Who's riding shotgun for the initial launch? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif
My guess would be Tom...?

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69VN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And to think it started life looking like this....

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2013/09/full-1121-6803-bth_69nova1.jpg
</div></div>


Excellent job Bill! Who's riding shotgun for the initial launch? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif
My guess would be Tom...? </div></div>

My guess would be Albert <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[Alss]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69VN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And to think it started life looking like this....

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2013/09/full-1121-6803-bth_69nova1.jpg
</div></div>


Excellent job Bill! Who's riding shotgun for the initial launch? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif
My guess would be Tom...? </div></div>

My guess would be Albert <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan </div></div>

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[m22mike]

Very nice Bill... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[Bill Rose]

Thanks for all the feedback. I still have some work to do, but the end is near........I think....

Took a step backward last night. I made the mistake of putting 5 gals of gas in the brand new stainless steel tank. In the morning, there was a strong smell of gas in my shop, and a 3&quot; round puddle of gas on the floor. There's a pin hole right on the bottom of the tank. No dents or scratches, looks like a flaw in the steel. So the battle begins with the vendor. The tank is now out of the car, sitting outside.

[Postsedan]

Bill,

Is it a Spectra Gas Tank....I have had great results with them.....and when I did have a problem....is was &quot;no problem&quot;, they took care of everything.

Dan

[Damien]

Looks great Bill.
Fantastic job. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill,

Is it a Spectra Gas Tank....I have had great results with them.....and when I did have a problem....is was &quot;no problem&quot;, they took care of everything.

Dan </div></div>

I'm not sure who made it Dan. The vendor I got it from is standing behind it., and replacing it free of charge. They are bringing the new tank to the Raceway Park fall swap, this weekend. I can't be there, but a friend of mine will be picking it up for me.

I decided to get the OEM tank, and I believe it is a Spectra tank.

[Postsedan]

Well done Bill <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[Woj]

Nice work Bill. The car looks fantastic. Looking forward to seeing it in person.

Phil Woj. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Bill Rose]

I got the exhaust system installed, as well as the front of the Nova finished up. I got the hood hinges back from being rebuilt, so the hood can go back too. I also got the tow tabs painted and bolted in place.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4120_zpsaa730863.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4120_zpsaa730863.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4123_zps997f61ac.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4123_zps997f61ac.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4122_zps495d3e87.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4122_zps495d3e87.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4125_zps5b4a9d84.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4125_zps5b4a9d84.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4131_zps03fe091a.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4131_zps03fe091a.jpg.html)

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

So close.

Are planing a drive before the snow flies?

Ryan

[Mr70]

Real nice work Bill.



http://smileys.smilchat.net/emoticon/expressions/heureux/3d-applause.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Did you put the sealer into the pipes before clamping them together? I think Gardner includes some with their kits - their stuff is Top-Notch BTW. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you put the sealer into the pipes before clamping them together? I think Gardner includes some with their kits - their stuff is Top-Notch BTW. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </div></div>

It's just a tube of clear silicone they give you with the system. I didn't use it because it takes time to get the different pipes together and adjusted so it all fits right. Then when it's all done, I end up readjusting it a couple more times. I figured the silicone would harden long before I'm happy with the fit, so I didn't use it. If I find that the seams leak, I'll pull them apart one at a time and use the sealer.

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So close.

Are planing a drive before the snow flies?

Ryan </div></div>
I'm planning a drive before the leaves fall!!

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Rose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So close.

Are planing a drive before the snow flies?

Ryan </div></div>
I'm planning a drive before the leaves fall!! </div></div>

Wow, almost ready.

The Nova looks killer.

Ryan

[BlueSS454]

So when is the engine fire party? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlueSS454</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So when is the engine fire party? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif </div></div>

Funny you mentioned that Tom. I was just thinking about that.....I'm ready. I put the new gas tank in. It just needs some fuel in it, and the engine also needs water/anti-freeze, and I think I'm ready to give it a shot, and see what happens.

I like to go over the whole car and be sure every thing is done, bolts tight, fuel lines, brake lines, etc. Then it's just a matter of a few different kinds of prescription quaaludes to keep the stress level to a minimum.....and turn the key.

[Alss]

ITS ALIVE!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6_tvTLCcAk

[Postsedan]

Love it.....Al you need your own Reality Show....Jersey Boys Bowties <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Well done Bill <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

Dan

[Alss]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Whoot whoot.

Nice video.

Ryan

[WILMASBOYL78]

Sounds just like it did when I owned it <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

Congratulations <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

wilma

['69Novajoe]

<span style="color: #3366FF"><span style="font-weight: bold">Just one word...........WICKED!! Been following the build. I'm envious but happy with what I've got!!
Congrats.</span></span>

[Joe69Camaro]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif Just like the old expression goes... Jersey Boys are like GE.. They Bring great things to Life :-)
Congrats Bill.. Super job again !!!
Joe

[kwhizz]

Great Job Bill!!!!

[Plowman]

Congrats Bill.

[napa68]

Awsome Bill! Whats next?

[Mr70]

Nice!
That Nova's in the right hands now.

[69 Post Sedan]

Sounds killer Bill.....nice build.

Kurt

[69VN]

Sweet sound to my ears! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/youguysrock.gif

[Bill Rose]

Thanks for all the feedback guys. It's always good to get a little encouragement.

We had a few glitches to work out. The tach, water temp gauge and volt reg didn't work. Today I got the tach and temp gauge fixed. It was just a careless mistake I made, but that issue is behind me now. I'm waiting for a new volt reg to get here, and that should be good to go. Then just a front end alignment, and it's ready to test drive.

I'm very happy with the motor. Excellent throttle response, and it just feels strong, with lots of torque. It should be a blast....can't wait!!

[Alss]

Shotgun! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

[jasonL78]

Make sure the voltage regulator is grounded. Been there done that. Missed the wire going from the back of the voltage regulator to the core support.

Jason

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shotgun! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif </div></div>

Albert, do another Video <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/youguysrock.gif

Dan

[m22mike]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Make sure the voltage regulator is grounded. Been there done that. Missed the wire going from the back of the voltage regulator to the core support.

Jason </div></div>

X2, especially if you used the rubber shock mounts, just take a jumper wire to it and try that.

Mike

[Bill Rose]

Thanks Jason/Mike....I don't have the regulator mounted on rubber, but I also don't have a ground wire on it. I always assumed it was grounded just with the 3 mounting screws. I'll look into that today.

Someone pointed out, in the video, the generator light wasn't on when we first fired the motor, but it started coming on dim, then lit up bright. So we were thinking the regulator took a dump in the first couple mins, that the engine was running. I was more concerned with the temp gauge not working.

I also have the original 69 dated reg, that was working fine before I dismantled the car. I was gonna try that regulator last night, but I had drained the radiator, to add anti-freeze, and couldn't run it.....I'll pick up the anti-freeze today, and check out the regulators, WITH ground wires.

[68l30]

FWIW I've not had good luck with the new Delco regulators, actually no luck at all. They just didn't seam to function like the old ones. I had to switch to a solid state and replaced the cover with the old Delco one. I have no idea why, but after five or six pegging to full charge after a few weeks, I quit trying...

BIG

[Bill Rose]

The regulator is now working. My fault. You guys were right. There are 2 ground wires in the front light harness, near the left side headlight. One should go to one of the 3 screws that hold the reg to the fire wall. I had them both on the horn relay screw. I have 14.6 volts now. It is a new Delco reg, but this one is working fine, if it's grounded correctly.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

The &quot;punch list&quot; must be getting pretty short now.

Will she move under her own power.......?

Ryan

[Xplantdad]

Looks and sounds great Bill! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Rose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The regulator is now working. My fault. You guys were right. There are 2 ground wires in the front light harness, near the left side headlight. One should go to one of the 3 screws that hold the reg to the fire wall. I had them both on the horn relay screw. I have 14.6 volts now. It is a new Delco reg, but this one is working fine, if it's grounded correctly. </div></div>


Noticed that when you first posted this photo 2 mos. ago and thought you're just laying things out &amp; will get to them.
Glad to hear you did.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_3989_zpsed67b720.jpg

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The &quot;punch list&quot; must be getting pretty short now.

Will she move under her own power.......?

Ryan

</div></div>
Yep, the punch list is short Ryan. Just a front end alignment, and I should be ready for the 1st test drive.

It should move under it's own power, but I still have it up on blocks. We're looking at a week long rain event, so it may have to sit for a while.

[Tommy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Bill Rose]The regulator is now working. My fault. You guys were right. There are 2 ground wires in the front light harness, near the left side headlight. One should go to one of the 3 screws that hold the reg to the fire wall. I had them both on the horn relay screw. I have 14.6 volts now. It is a new Delco reg, but this one is working fine, if it's grounded correctly. </div></div>


This may be the reason my Nova isn't charging enough to run the lights very long after dark. I'm fine all day long but night driving is killing the battery. I had both of those grounds fastened to the core support. I'm assuming one fastens to the voltage regulator and the other to the horn relay? I had the Alternator tested and have a new Voltage regulator and new horn relay...

Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[Bill Rose]

I wound up replacing the regulator. I put one of the ground wires on the reg, and it worked briefly. Then quit completely and it was a Delco regulator. I replaced it with a Standard brand, and grounded it like the Delco. So far the Standard one is good.

The Delco reg was all over the place. Sometimes it was charging 16 volts and then a min later it was doing nothing. Then back to 15....etc

...and yes, the other ground I put on the horn relay screw.

[earntaz]

Grounds will drive a person nuts -- have you ever owned a Vette? I've had a number of 2nd and 3rd gen and the electrical systems can be a challenge at times.

[Bill Rose]

Ok, this is it. Had it out for the front end alignment today. It actually moves under it own power. Hasn't done that for a while. This build has been a lot of fun. I will be putting another set of wheels together for it. I'll be going with white steelies and cheater slicks on the rear, and a somewhat skinny wheel/tire combo up front. Not sure which wheels yet, up front. Probably a 15&quot; X 6&quot; of some sort, with black wall bias ply's....

I appreciate all the great advise, comments, emails, pm's and phone calls, over the past 6 months. I'm new to Nova's so I had a lot to learn, but it was one of the more pleasurable builds I've done. Now I have a new garage/storage building to build. I'll be thrilled if that goes as well as the Nova project went.

Here's a couple final shots for those who aren't sick of looking at it yet.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4140_zps91e9601d.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4140_zps91e9601d.jpg.html)

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4144_zps538b29e4.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4144_zps538b29e4.jpg.html)

[Xplantdad]

Looks (And sounds) great Bill.Thanks for taking us along for the ride!

[Postsedan]

Final shots for those who aren't sick of looking at it yet.
__________________________________________________ ___________

What? Sick of looking at it, this is Fine Art to must of us <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

Well done Bill, love the Tow Hooks and the Day2 theme your after.....more pics when you get your new skinny`s up front.

Dan

[PxTx]

Great looking Nova and thanks for sharing the journey! I'm always up for pics of different wheel combinations so keep 'em comming.

Thanks!

[parkbrau]

Great job. Thanks, I know I learned a bit about Nova's along the way.

[Damien]

Bill, I have followed your build from the beginning and the car looks fantastic. I certainly have gained an appreciation for Novas that I never had beforehand and your attention to detail is amazing. Nice work and hopefully you pick up another project once your garage has been taken care of, as I'm sure there are many like me, eager to do it all again!

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Hi Bill,

&quot;Sick of looking at her&quot; NOT.

Impossible, this is like Baywatch without David Hasselhof.

B-E-A-utiful.

Ryan

[kwhizz]

A &quot;Masterpiece&quot;............................. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

[69 Post Sedan]

Nice job Bill. The Nova looks GREAT!!!!

Now....let's see a video of it smoking the rears. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

Kurt

[68l30]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Rose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wound up replacing the regulator. I put one of the ground wires on the reg, and it worked briefly. Then quit completely and it was a Delco regulator. I replaced it with a Standard brand, and grounded it like the Delco. So far the Standard one is good.

The Delco reg was all over the place. Sometimes it was charging 16 volts and then a min later it was doing nothing. Then back to 15....etc

...and yes, the other ground I put on the horn relay screw. </div></div>

Crazy stuff eh? Dive you nutz in a hurry. Hope the Delco cover fit ok, I know some of the Std are rivited on. Car looks great, love the stance with the wider tires.. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif


BIG

[Postsedan]

Impossible, this is like Baywatch without David Hasselhof.
__________________________________________________ ________

Ryan, <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif

Too Funny!

Dan

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice job Bill. The Nova looks GREAT!!!!

Now....let's see a video of it smoking the rears. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

Kurt </div></div>

Better Yet, a video of Bill and Albert Street Racing <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

Dan

[69VN]

Excellent! A job well worth it! You've made me a appreciate Nova's on this build! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[PxTx]

Bill, you've done a great job. From the wheel/tire discussions on some other threads ir looks like you seettled on the 14&quot; M&amp;Hs. I think Nova's look great with 14&quot; wheels all around. How arw you feeling about running 15s up front and 14s in back?

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 68l30</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Rose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>

Crazy stuff eh? Dive you nutz in a hurry. Hope the Delco cover fit ok, I know some of the Std are rivited on. Car looks great, love the stance with the wider tires.. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif


BIG </div></div>

The Delco cover bolted on fine. As a matter of fact, the Standard was the exact same regulator as the Delco......cept it works!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill, you've done a great job. From the wheel/tire discussions on some other threads ir looks like you seettled on the 14&quot; M&amp;Hs. I think Nova's look great with 14&quot; wheels all around. How arw you feeling about running 15s up front and 14s in back? </div></div>

Paul, I looked at both Grady's and Riches Nova's with 15&quot; fronts/14&quot; rears, and they look good. I'm assuming the slicks are a bit taller than a reg tire, so they are probably about the same diameter. I'm also concerned with the Cragars hitting the calipers up front. The 15's would have more room. There's not a lot of back spacing choices with Cragars. I also like the front to sit up a bit more, and fill out the wheel well.

By the way, I love the tow tabs. I'm thinking of putting the pins thru the holes, but I'm not sure what they look like.

[Bill Rose]

I got the Cragars with cheater slicks, and the skinnies up front. Had the car out for the maiden voyage today, breaking in all the new parts, like the Moser rear, trans, clutch, and the engine of course. The Nova is real hoot to drive now. It has some serious power and torque. I was taking it easy on the new motor, getting the rings seated, etc....

The new power steering and brakes are great too. It's tight, handles great, but has a smooth ride. I have a couple bugs to get out of it but simple stuff. Here's a shot with the new wheels.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/wrrose/100_4175_zpsa57bb57b.jpg (http://s533.photobucket.com/user/wrrose/media/100_4175_zpsa57bb57b.jpg.html)

[Plowman]

That look's sooo cool,love the Tow Tabs,Cragars and Car.{no pins}

[Mr. Chevy]

Looks great Bill!!

Rich

[PxTx]

Looks killer! Seems complete now.

[kwhizz]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

[Postsedan]

Just as I knew she would turn out.....well done Bill <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Now on to the new garage build.

Dan

[m22mike]

Very nice Bill, would not change a thing, except me in the captains seat.... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

Mike

[Woj]

Nice work Bill. You sure gave this car a great look!!

Phil Woj

[Bill Rose]

Thanks guys...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now on to the new garage build.

Dan </div></div>

Don't get me started Dan!! The new garage is suppose to be easy. I've been building stuff since I was 10 yrs old......Way easier than a Nova restoration.....right?? Not!!!

That could be a whole new thread Dan, dealing with our so called &quot;government&quot; !!!!!!

Trying to get a building permit to build a perfectly legal, (everything within the building codes, and zoning laws) garage, on the land I've owned for 30 yrs. You would think I was building a school for handicapped children. Stay tuned!!

I hate all the excessive government intrusion.......and I'll leave it at that for now.

[mockingbird812]

Great look Bill. Congrats!!

[kwhizz]

I hate all the excessive government intrusion.......and I'll leave it at that for now



<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif......Tree Huggers # 101

[Postsedan]

Bill,

Your among good company.....

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2013/...ard/?refer=news (http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2013/10/29/big-block-chevy-nova-takes-goodguys-2013-hemmings-muscle-car-of-the-year-award/?refer=news)

Dan

[brent396]

Turned out great looking <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[earntaz]

What brand and CR pistons did you use? Part number? Thanks -- The TAZ

[Bill Rose]

They're 30 over Keith Black forged pistons, with small domes (18.3)... I was trying to keep the cr around 10-1, for drivability.

[earntaz]

Thank you SIR ...

[Salvatore]

Need some vintage Lakewoods for that car Bill?

[Alss]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Need some vintage Lakewoods for that car Bill? </div></div>

I keep telling him!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[Salvatore]

would complete that correct look Albert!

[Bill Rose]

Yea, I've had several guys suggest traction bars. I'm was trying to stick to a fairly simple factory look, but I wouldn't rule out another mod. We have a long cold winter right around the corner, and I'm not good at sitting around.......

[Alss]

I have a set. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

[PxTx]

I have some thoughts on a winter project of my own.

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a set. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif </div></div> Great! Another project. I thought I was done.

Paul, I was wondering if you know where I can get the tow tab shear pins, I guess they'd be called, that would hold the tow bar to the tabs?

[PxTx]

Nova Jed is probably your best bet. The Bethlehem Steel pins which were the most commont original set-up are NLA

[Bill Rose]

Thanks Paul....I'll check with Jed.

[Salvatore]

Traction bars would go along with tow tabs I would think. They would probably have come first just to control wheel hop.

[Bill Rose]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Traction bars would go along with tow tabs I would think. They would probably have come first just to control wheel hop. </div></div>

You're right Sam. I'm not crazy about how they look, hanging down as much as they do. But it's certainly a possibility.

[WILMASBOYL78]

Bill...I would suggest trying the &quot;Harrell Style&quot; spring clamps...basically 2 pieces of flat steel stock that fits over the springs to stop wheel hop. Sully has a set on his car...they work pretty good...others here will most likely have pics and info. Simple..cheap..and they don't hang down <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[WILMASBOYL78]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=433977

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