Project COPO cleanup

[Alss]

well, its been about 7 years since I finished the resto on my COPO Chevelle. Since it has been finished I have never been happy with the canshaft in the mnotor..ts a little big..sounds mean, but does'nt run worth a crap!....so I had Chris Straub grind me a up custom solid roller more along the lines of a stock cam rather than the "racey "cam that was in it. I suppose I could change the cam with the motor in the car, but I think I will pull the motor so I can clean and repaint some stuff, replace the repro exhaust manifolds that were temporary ( 6 years ago) as one of the originals had broken while assembly was going on...repaint the motor as it is peeling and showing some small leak/seepage around the gaskets. Here are some pics of the first day..more to follow:

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[mockingbird812]

<span style="font-size: 17pt">Great winter project Al. And, thanks for taking us along. Can't believe its been SEVEN years!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif</span>

[Postsedan]

Time flies when you`re restoring '69`s <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

While your at it......be sure to clean them tires too <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

Another fun project.

Dan

[Alss]

More teardown progress...its so easy to take apart....so many parts!!!!
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[Salvatore]

Lookin good Al! Keep up the good work.

[Chevyfever]

AL, I had a friend that passed in 2003 that bought a COPO just like yours new.
How much history do you have?,his was a 4 speed black on black.
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[kwhizz]

Looking Good!!!!........... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

[Alss]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chevyfever</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AL, I had a friend that passed in 2003 that bought a COPO just like yours new.
How much history do you have?,his was a 4 speed black on black.
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif </div></div>

Sorry to hear about your friend..my car is out of Buffalo NY..and is Fathom green/black interior. I have info on the first three owners.

Albert

[mockingbird812]

NICE!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Chevyfever]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alss</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chevyfever</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AL, I had a friend that passed in 2003 that bought a COPO just like yours new.
How much history do you have?,his was a 4 speed black on black.
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif </div></div>

Sorry to hear about your friend..my car is out of Buffalo NY..and is Fathom green/black interior. I have info on the first three owners.

Albert</div></div> Thanks AL pic shows up black for me,I think his brother has his COPO,love
these chevelle's!

[69VN]

Nothin' beats a black '69 Chevy with a big block and 4spd.! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

[Alss]

Not much today but alot of scrubbing.
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[Ryan1969Chevelle]

A little refreshing on an already perfect car.

This will keep it tip top, you see some cars ending up showing their age, not this old girl.

Ryan

[69 Post Sedan]

Keep the pics coming Al. Gotta love those porcupine heads!!!!!!!!!!!

Kurt

[Postsedan]

Albert,

I primer all my engines....you gonna primer this block?

Dan

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Albert,

I primer all my engines....you gonna primer this block?

Dan </div></div>

Does that hold up better to the heat? Or does it look better from the get go?

[Alss]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Albert,

I primer all my engines....you gonna primer this block?

Dan </div></div>

Dan/ryan..I primed it the first time..it was in pretty good shape over all..maybe less than 5% was looking shabby/peeling a little..so I will primer it again for sure.!

[napa68]

Neat car Al! I guess I should pay better attention. Neat thread to make the winter go a little quicker <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Such a cool car.

Ryan

[Bill Rose]

That's me lifting the motor out with one hand. We just hooked up the hoist for a back-up.

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[Postsedan]

Bill,

Your other hand was holding a Diet Snapple <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

Dan

[Alss]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

[resto4u]

If you use an automotive grade DTM primer and topcoat with a automotive enamel it will last a long time. Use a spray gun instead of the cheap rattle cans.

[302moz]

The best primer to use is SPI brand epoxy primer reduced with alittle thinner . We get everything prepped and spray a couple of thin coats ,let it set a few hours then top coat. Spray it thin so the grain of the cast still shows. Blocks never had a lot of paint from the plant. Also use light grey orange covers better.Epoxy goes down first on all bare metal surfaces that we do. Even under all filler.

[jer]

X2 on the SPI, red oxide, and use a good SS urethane orange flattened to 70%. Love your fathom green car!!

[kwhizz]

Al......As long as it's out......Just put an LS in it.........LOL

[Alss]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kwhizz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Al......As long as it's out......Just put an LS in it.........LOL
</div></div>
Ken..I do have a LS project coming up..just not thiss car! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif


thanks for the input guys..still shopping primers..last time I used a acid etch primer and duplicolor..but using better paint interests me..I'll look into that more. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Postsedan]

Ken..I do have a LS project coming up..just not thiss car!
_____________________________________________

Please do tell <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Dan

[9566 BA]

Al
Can I have the engine <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif and the m-22 while I am begging! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif Nice car!

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 9566 BA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Al
Can I have the engine <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif and the m-22 while I am begging! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif Nice car! </div></div>

There is a silver lining to Jeff begging <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Dan

[Alss]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 9566 BA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Al
Can I have the engine <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif and the m-22 while I am begging! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif Nice car! </div></div>

Hmmmm I do have a spare ZL-1.. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[Alss]

Dam the shop is a mess!..clean up day today:)


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[Bill Rose]

A messy shop often means lots of work is getting done/no time to clean up........BTDT!!

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Rose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A messy shop often means lots of work is getting done/no time to clean up........BTDT!! </div></div>

I had to look up BTDT.....

BTDTGTTS

Ryan

[Alss]

On to valve spring replacement..pretty cool tool..worked very well!
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[Bill Rose]

Cool! Another tool I can borrow...What stops the valve from dropping, when the head is still bolted down? Air in the plug hole?

Forget that question/I just noticed the air hose.

[scuncio]

I have that same spring tool. It's the best way to go if you're not pulling the heads.

[jannes_z-28]

Had that when working on our racecar. It needed spring replacement every other run.


Works great until someone pull the air hose for you...


Jan

[Alss]

replaced the rear main seal as it was leaking..got most of the cleaning done and have the cam and valvetrain back in..now to clean the pan and timing covers:
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[RogerD]

<span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF6600">Lookin' GOOD Albert - can't wait to hear it run</span></span> :-)</span>

[300deluxeL79]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have that same spring tool. It's the best way to go if you're not pulling the heads. </div></div>

albert, who makes that v/spring tool?

[Alss]

I beleive its proform..still have the box at the shop..got it from jegs

[Salvatore]

Project clean up looking good. Gotta run the heat for a few extra minutes before working in the Shop today. BRRRRR! get that snow shoveled and keep the pictures coming.

[markjohnson]

Maybe I just didn't see it but where's the cam button to prevent that roller camshaft from walking forward? I'm also wondering why that front cam journal is stepped like a Gen V or VI?

[Alss]

it is a gen 6 cam..waiting on the retainer plate!

[Alss]

OK..got the cam stuff figured out..new button is here and installed..time to close her up and get ready for paint.
Hopefully some paint later today if it warms up a little <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif
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[Xplantdad]

Al...looks great!

[m22mike]

What's the primer Albert ? Nice job, stay warm.

Mike

[olredalert]

----I know you will be removing the paint off the crank snout!.....Bill S

[Alss]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">----I know you will be removing the paint off the crank snout!.....Bill S </div></div>

Mike..SW red okide

Bill..yes I will <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[Alss]

wrapping it up!


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[Xplantdad]

Looks great!

[Postsedan]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[L78M22Rag]

Very nice!!!

[Alss]

and some bling...

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[Damien]

Nice work Al. Looks great <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[9566 BA]

Very nice Al!!!!

[napa68]

Almost as enjoyable as your ZL1 car Al. I love your work!

[jannes_z-28]

A question comes to my mind when I see the pictures. First it is a great job and it looks good.

But I wonder how they did paint them at the factory. Was the water pump mounted when they painted the engine and if so wouldn't it then sort of mask parts of the cam chain cover?

Just wondering...


Jan

[olredalert]

----Waterpump was mounted as well as intake. On earlier short waterpump engines you can tell the waterpumps were on the engines as they had no paint on the backsides.
The Tonawanda factory had masks that were made out of pressed cardboard. They were attached to the aluminum intake prior to the paint. At the end of that process the masks were placed in a bin and rotated back to the beginning. The cardboard would get worn and sometimes edges would be broken off and thats why (generally) on survivor aluminum intake big-blocks you will see some overspray. When a mask became too worn or get too much overspray on it, it would get tossed. As well, sometimes the mask wouldnt be attached correctly and more paint would get on the intake than intended. The aluminum intakes were never uniformly oversprayed or fogged along the edges as is frequently seen.
I saw a picture of something that I was told was a mask a long time ago, and many of us feel this is the method, but I would love to hear from someone involved.......Bill S

[Verne_Frantz]

Bill,
Here you can see the evidence of the mask used when this manifold was painted. Sharp edges rather than a fogged edge.
Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
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[olredalert]

----Thats a great example, Verne!!!.....Bill S

[Alss]

thanks verne!..the masks were pretty sloppy..not me!!:)

final valve lash set..exhaust manifolds on...may wind up ion the car tomorrow!

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[Postsedan]

Shouldered bolt pairs on both ends......number 1 &amp; 7 and 2 &amp; 8.

Dan

[Dave Rifkin]

Looking good Albert

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Has anyone ever seen the engine install plate that is attached to the carb studs pull off? I've never used one of them because I'm always concerned that those 4 studs will pull right out of the aluminum!

[m22mike]

A few months back I was bolting my lift bracket to a BBC and noticed one stud would not torque up. So even after the heli-coil repair I elected to use a chain bolted to the heads, Makes me nervous too.

Mike

[Alss]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shouldered bolt pairs on both ends......number 1 &amp; 7 and 2 &amp; 8.

Dan </div></div>

I'm half right...crap! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

and I dont use the plate to lift iron engines.... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

[69 Post Sedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone ever seen the engine install plate that is attached to the carb studs pull off? I've never used one of them because I'm always concerned that those 4 studs will pull right out of the aluminum! </div></div>

I was always leery of using the plate, but I have a lot of friends including my engine builder who uses it all the time. I ended up setting my engine in and had no issues at all. I can't remember the numbers but if you add up the strength of four 5/16&quot; bolts......they will hold a lot, even in aluminum.

Anyway.....your project looks great Albert. Can't wait to see/hear it in Ohio.

Kurt

[Alss]

moving along now..motor is back in the car..trans and all the underneath stuff is done..few more items up top and she should run again..if it would only stop snowing!!


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new flywheel!
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[Postsedan]

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Dan

[69VN]

Now that's a thing of beauty!!!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[Xplantdad]

Looks great Al!

[Alss]

alldone!..fired right up..set timing at 14..purrs like a kitten! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/02/full-526-9831-img_2312.jpg
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[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Looks fantastic.

Ready for spring.

Ryan

[Alss]

and a brief video..
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[Woj]

Like fine jewelry. Looks great Albert.

Phil Woj.

[kwhizz]

Where's the Caution Fan sticker.........LOL.......Looking Awsum!!!.....as expected.....

[Xplantdad]

Looks great Al!

[Zedder]

Sweet...sounds awesome!

[69VN]

Sounds great! Would that be a chambered exhaust you have on there?

SAL <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Chambered, harps from heaven.

Ryan

[Dave Rifkin]

Looks fantastic and sounds even better.