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cook_dw
12-08-2014, 04:55 PM
How many do we have on this forum?

cook_dw
12-10-2014, 02:41 PM
So 136 views and no one has a 68 Camaro L78??

Dicky
12-11-2014, 06:22 AM
I know of one (1) in Montana.

DH <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

WILMASBOYL78
12-11-2014, 12:57 PM
If you open it up to 68 L78 Novas I can join... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

L78racer
12-11-2014, 01:05 PM
One here.

MailOrderMotion
12-11-2014, 01:50 PM
I have a Fathom Blue RS/SS I've owned since 1982.

Big Block 69
12-11-2014, 01:51 PM
I just sold mine. And just like EVERY other time i've done it, I wish I hadn't.

PhilS
12-11-2014, 03:09 PM
Triple blue rag.

L78M22Rag
12-11-2014, 03:11 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you open it up to 68 L78 Novas I can join... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif </div></div>

Ditto that for me and my 68 L78 Elkie

cook_dw
12-11-2014, 03:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you open it up to 68 L78 Novas I can join... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif </div></div>

I sold a 68 MQ Nova block to a guy on here back in 2007 or 08.. Not many of them around!



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78M22Rag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ditto that for me and my 68 L78 Elkie </div></div>


Absolutely. The more the merrier.

427freak
12-13-2014, 04:51 AM
I have a Fathom Blue one, but it is missing it's original 396. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

enio45
12-13-2014, 11:50 AM
i guess my car qualifies

Dicky
12-13-2014, 07:22 PM
Hey folks, can you L78 Camaro guru's tell me
if all L78 1968 Camaros had their trim tags stamped
with &quot;L78&quot; ???

Thanks, Dicky <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

enio45
12-13-2014, 11:11 PM
not that i know of?? really a trim tag stamped L78?????

cook_dw
12-14-2014, 12:12 AM
No the tag does not show anything other than V8 or 6..

66 L78 ragtop
12-14-2014, 12:35 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PhilS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Triple blue rag. </div></div>

Would love to see photos and hear more about the history of this car.

MosportGreen66
12-14-2014, 01:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dicky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey folks, can you L78 Camaro guru's tell me
if all L78 1968 Camaros had their trim tags stamped
with &quot;L78&quot; ???

Thanks, Dicky <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif </div></div>

Dicky, maybe you're confusing this with a 1970 L78 Camaro? That states &quot;L78&quot; on the tag.

Salvatore
12-14-2014, 06:11 PM
&quot;Chicken Lips&quot; Brent is the 68 L78 guru.
I bet he has a couple Novas floating around.

PeteLeathersac
12-14-2014, 07:57 PM
Or is Dicky perhaps thinking of the 4K on the '67 TT's?
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~ Pete

PhilS
12-16-2014, 03:56 AM
Orlando, the blue car was sold new in Baton Rouge to an MD who kept it for 23 years. It's Lemans blue with factory blue top and interior. Only one I've ever seen. I've seen a triple blue '67 before but not a '68. It has docs including pop. I'll take some pics and post them.

66 L78 ragtop
12-17-2014, 12:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PhilS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Orlando, the blue car was sold new in Baton Rouge to an MD who kept it for 23 years. It's Lemans blue with factory blue top and interior. Only one I've ever seen. I've seen a triple blue '67 before but not a '68. It has docs including pop. I'll take some pics and post them. </div></div>

I would love to see it. Feel free to e-mail photos if thats easier for you
[email protected]

Thanks

Dicky
12-19-2014, 09:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dicky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey folks, can you L78 Camaro guru's tell me
if all L78 1968 Camaros had their trim tags stamped
with &quot;L78&quot; ???

Thanks, Dicky <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif </div></div>

Dicky, maybe you're confusing this with a 1970 L78 Camaro? That states &quot;L78&quot; on the tag. </div></div>

You guys are going to call me crazy or demented..... but I swear while working on a friends '68 L78 I glanced at the TT and was sure I saw embossed on the tag (near the line for the paint code) a clean &quot;L78&quot;. This guy had bought this car new from a chevy dealer in '68 and has always owned it. (he has since passed)

Dicky <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

P.J.
12-22-2014, 12:02 AM
black on black factory ordered L78 m22 488 am fm multiplex record holder
10:45 ET Detroit drag way 1969
PJ

napa68
12-22-2014, 12:48 PM
Got one on the way. Details to follow!

RPOLS3
12-22-2014, 01:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: napa68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got one on the way. Details to follow! </div></div>

Is the 65 gone then?

Looking forward to details!

napa68
12-22-2014, 01:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RPOLS3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: napa68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got one on the way. Details to follow! </div></div>

Is the 65 gone then?

Looking forward to details! </div></div>

One on deck <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

WILMASBOYL78
12-22-2014, 10:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: P.J.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">black on black factory ordered L78 m22 488 am fm multiplex record holder
10:45 ET Detroit drag way 1969
PJ </div></div>

Strong! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

P.J.
12-22-2014, 11:31 PM
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/suprss70/Copy2ofgreatsideview.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/suprss70/media/Copy2ofgreatsideview.jpg.html)
yes just like a bullit......
pj

Dicky
12-22-2014, 11:52 PM
Peter, that is a beautiful car. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
I'd spend Christmas night in that thing if it were mine. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

Happy Holiday

Dicky <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

Xplantdad
12-23-2014, 01:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dicky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Peter, that is a beautiful car. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
I'd spend Christmas night in that thing if it were mine. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

Happy Holiday

Dicky <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif </div></div>

Times two! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

WILMASBOYL78
12-23-2014, 07:05 PM
If Santa used that car for his deliveries...he would be done in half the time <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/santa.gif

PhilS
12-24-2014, 04:49 AM
Awesome!

P.J.
12-24-2014, 01:21 PM
Hey thanks for the compliments.It is a special car with a lot of history.
Took 11 months full time to restore it and lots of cash to do it right.

mockingbird812
12-24-2014, 01:38 PM
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif <span style="font-size: 17pt">Goodness Gracious </span><<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 26pt">THAT</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt">is a HANDSOME car!!!! </span><<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

Tell us more about its history! What class was it racing in '69 to grab a 10:45 ET? That is haulin' the mail!

P.J.
12-24-2014, 01:44 PM
Members ride article a few years ago



About 2 years ago while having lunch with a friend (Tony) he asked me if I wanted to buy his 68 motion Camaro project, that he and his son had started to restore. Well I almost swallowed my tongue! He was going to sell the black Camaro?? Yes, he was going to sell it because his son had discovered girls and that beat sandblasting parts for the camaro all night long.


I wrote the check for the car on the spot.



Tony had this project for about 5 years, all the while collecting NOS parts for this project all of them went with the car-two pick up trucks full! I knew that he did a lot of research on this car and it paid off , finding the original owner after an exhausting effort. He gave Tony the original Bill of Sale as he still had it .Owner (Barry) ordered the car brand new in Windsor Ontario

He wanted a 427 instead of the 396 375 hp motor, but it was not available-even to a GM engineer working on the team to develop the engine for NASCAR. Shortly after receiving the car and waiting for the car at the dealership...when it arrived he took it to Motion Performance and had the transplant. He stayed at his Aunts place which was nearby while the car was being modified


Barry drag raced the car every night and raced the car every weekend..The car had a real reputation for being a street bruiser. Even today, car people remember Barry and his punishing black Camaro. On May 9 1969 Barry set the track record going 10:45 at the Detroit drag strip. He would not part with the original certificate for the record so he gave me a copy of it. I understood how important the original was to him.
.
Throughout this restoration Barry was a great help, and he sent me most of the documents
that he could find on the car. Other documents will be sent to me as soon as he finds them in a house that he has lived in for 40 years.


When I received the documents from the Ministry of Transportation I noticed that there was a new name on the record that was not there when Tony changed the ownership to his name.
I traced the name and found the second owner (John) of the car after some creative investigation
on my part. I called him up and asked him if he was the owner of the black 68 Camaro. He said that he was and I then told him his name was on the title history .Well he was very excited that the car was still alive and I said to him that I was in the process of restoring the car.


John told me he knew the first owner well and followed the car until Barry sold the car to him. John confirmed the history of the car and he told me some of the history of when he had it. John said that he made a lot of money with the car drag racing on the street. The car was turning 10:60s. One night he was racing a Hemi ‘Cuda 4 speed for $100.00 per gear...winner take all! The black Camaro ate the ‘Cuda and at the end of the quarter mile the cops had a blockade set up and their guns out and motioning John to stop, Well the ‘Cuda stopped but John did not and went around the blockade. As he passed the cops they shot at the car, missing the tires and hitting the rear quarter. The bullet went into the rear seat, ricocheted off of the seat springs then up into the rear deck and came to rest just behind the speakers!


&quot;Did you find the bullet hole? &quot;, John asked. I told him I did not notice the bullet yet but I would search for it later. He had a lot of balls to try and out run the cops. He hid the car for a month or so, as they were looking for this Camaro really hard..John repaired the car and repainted it.

John has pictures of the car at the track, time slips and a lot of drag racing memories as well .I hope that we can get together soon so I can get some more history of this car from John. Oh yes...I did find where the projectile came to rest when I was on my back installing the rear speakers!

The documents speak for themselves, and when I get more information and/or documents from Barry when he finds them on the motor implant from Motion I will be sending it to Joel for confirmation. I have sent Joel all the documents I have, and hope to get the work order from Barry.

In the mean time this car is now finished and its scary! With the 427, the 4:88's and the screaming M22...WOW! I am thrilled every time I drive this black monster.

Peter

P.J.
12-24-2014, 01:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif <span style="font-size: 17pt">Goodness Gracious </span><<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 26pt">THAT</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt">is a HANDSOME car!!!! </span><<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

Tell us more about its history! What class was it racing in '69 to grab a 10:45 ET? That is haulin' the mail! </div></div>

The record certificate says <span style="font-weight: bold">H2</span> I don't know what that means.

PJ

mockingbird812
12-24-2014, 02:19 PM
How's bout some more photos! Love the story!

napa68
12-24-2014, 02:40 PM
Anyone have a lead on a set of XF wheels for an 4/68 car?

Tim

P.J.
12-24-2014, 03:06 PM
some more pics
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/suprss70/goodpaintedleftside.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/suprss70/media/goodpaintedleftside.jpg.html)
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/suprss70/frame2.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/suprss70/media/frame2.jpg.html)
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/suprss70/finnished.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/suprss70/media/finnished.jpg.html)
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/suprss70/Copy2ofgreatfindash.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/suprss70/media/Copy2ofgreatfindash.jpg.html)
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/suprss70/Copy2ofmore-parts-2.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/suprss70/media/Copy2ofmore-parts-2.jpg.html)
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/suprss70/Copy2ofgreat-front-view.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/suprss70/media/Copy2ofgreat-front-view.jpg.html)
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/suprss70/Copy2ofmotiononthumb.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/suprss70/media/Copy2ofmotiononthumb.jpg.html)
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/suprss70/Copy2ofpurchaseorder.jpg (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/suprss70/media/Copy2ofpurchaseorder.jpg.html)

napa68
12-26-2014, 01:24 AM
That is just sick!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

scuncio
12-26-2014, 02:46 PM
Pretty hard to top that car.

Surprised how much the trade in allowance was on the 66 Nova he gave up to buy this car!

P.J.
12-26-2014, 02:54 PM
I be leave it was an almost new trade in, then again remember the Canadian prIce foR a car was a hell of a lot more than the U.S. We here in Canada are still being ripped off.
THats why I purchase my vehicles in the US.

P.J.
12-26-2014, 02:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pretty hard to top that car.

Surprised how much the trade in allowance was on the 66 Nova he gave up to buy this car!</div></div>

Thanks Tony .

ds1
12-27-2014, 01:10 PM
Great car and an awesome story. LOVE IT

P.J.
12-27-2014, 01:40 PM
The question on my mind is what would this car be worth on the market,keeping in mind that
The motion transplant 427 has not been verified by motion,I only have the witness signed letter
From the orig owner and abundant history for this car. I also have eye witnesses that knew of the transplant back in the day.
PJ

cook_dw
01-03-2015, 09:41 PM
Just by taking a guess and without the official verification from Motion I would say in the $125-175K. I realize that is a large range but it would vary on the degree of restoration. From the pictures I would say on the higher end of that range.

P.J.
01-11-2015, 12:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just by taking a guess and without the official verification from Motion I would say in the $125-175K. I realize that is a large range but it would vary on the degree of restoration. From the pictures I would say on the higher end of that range. </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Thanks for your opinion Darrell </span>

No expence was spared for the restoration all matching numbers and lots of NOS parts
Did all the work myself except the body and paint. I was surprized at how many of its orig parts were still on the car when I restored it
11 months full almost full time,loved every minute.
PJ




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MrMotion
01-11-2015, 02:06 PM
The 1966 Chevy II was an L79 according to Barry.

P.J.
01-11-2015, 10:43 PM
Yes it was an L79
PJ

P.J.
01-29-2015, 12:53 AM
Found it.
I meant to post the news article on this 68 Camaro from the orig owner. he was an avid drag racer

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/suprss70/camaro.png (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/suprss70/media/camaro.png.html)
PJ
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P.J.
02-18-2015, 11:56 PM
Maskery slowed to a 10:82 after running 10;60s Wow
PJ

Bigjohn396
05-09-2015, 01:18 PM
Got one here in nj since 1981 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-19296-25603-image.jpg

chevyman0429
05-09-2015, 01:29 PM
Wow very nice.

P.J.
05-15-2015, 11:42 PM
Tell us more
Pj

nugeusa1
07-13-2015, 02:14 PM
I have a turquoise 68 l78 w/ standard int that currently has color change to red. orig trans,rear and ce block w/ pop. currently trying to run down original short block but probably long shot for sure. ill post pic when I figure out how.

SIR-VIVOR
07-14-2015, 12:31 PM
I have a Le Mans Blue 68 L 78 that a friend bought new. Radio delete, born with drivetrain.

300deluxeL79
07-15-2015, 08:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bigjohn396</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got one here in nj since 1981 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-19296-25603-image.jpg
</div></div>

some good stance right there too <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

PhilS
08-31-2015, 12:04 AM
Triple blue rag. Car was restored in 91 or 92 by Allan Patterson the engine builder in KS. He bought it from the family of the original owner in Baton Rouge LA. Lots of docs including finance agreement and pop. I've asked this before but has anyone seen this combo before? Lemans Blue with blue top and interior.

Xplantdad
08-31-2015, 01:48 AM
Cool L78 Camaro Phil! I love your &quot;All convertible collection&quot; <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

PhilS
08-31-2015, 02:24 AM
Thanks Bruce. I do have a handful of coupes now but still mostly rags.

cook_dw
08-31-2015, 12:00 PM
I can honestly say I havent seen nor do I have any in my list with that color option.. You care if I add it to my list? Could you send me pics of the docs? Thanks, Darrell

[email protected]

66 L78 ragtop
10-09-2015, 01:07 PM
That 68 L78 Camaro ragtop is very nice and ultra rare!! George's 67 triple blue L78 Camaro convertible is the only other one I have seen. Different years but otherwise somewhat similar.

camaromb
10-10-2015, 05:04 PM
There is also a Canadian sold triple blue L78 '67 Camaro convert that still exists.

66 L78 ragtop
10-10-2015, 06:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: camaromb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is also a Canadian sold triple blue L78 '67 Camaro convert that still exists. </div></div>

Interesting! It sure would be nice to see some photos.

JRC99
11-15-2015, 01:46 PM
Provided the engine and cylinder heads are original (I'm assuming they are, can't check the block as the numbers right below the cylinder head are MIA) my grandfather's is an L78. Tried to get in contact with the man who owned it in the 80s to learn more, but he never got back to me.

cook_dw
11-15-2015, 04:44 PM
As the old saying goes never assume.. Get some casting numbers, dates and pics of the trim tag &amp; vin. You can pm them to me if you don't want to post them here. Also I asked previously for pics of fuel line coming up the subframe and to the fuel pump but you never posted them. Also get a pic of the firewall behind the distributor looking down.. Thanks, Darrell

JRC99
11-15-2015, 04:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As the old saying goes never assume.. Get some casting numbers, dates and pics of the trim tag &amp; vin. You can pm them to me if you don't want to post them here. Also I asked previously for pics of fuel line coming up the subframe and to the fuel pump but you never posted them. Also get a pic of the firewall behind the distributor looking down.. Thanks, Darrell</div></div>

I'll try. Couldn't see any casting numbers, or dates, or anything like that when I crawled under it because it's so tight. I'll snap a pic of the trim tag though. Car might be coming out of the garage today or tomorrow so I'll take a look.

JRC99
12-24-2015, 05:39 AM
You can add me to the list! Just emailed the guy who raced it in the 80s! Was an L78!

EDIT: Maybe. He said the code was ML on the block, which I know isn't right, since that would be a '67 327 block.
EDIT 2: Now confirmed as originally having an MQ block! Wonder where that is?
EDIT 3: MQ block is long gone. Oh well, at least I know it had one.

cook_dw
12-24-2015, 01:07 PM
Don't take this the wrong way but a lot can happen in 12 years.. Keep searching and see if you can talk to the original owner or find some paperwork..

cook_dw
07-09-2016, 02:25 AM
Wanted to bring this back up to the top.. Was updating my list tonight and wanted to see if there were any others out there that would like to add their info to my database/registry. Thanks, Darrell

napa68
07-09-2016, 11:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wanted to bring this back up to the top.. Was updating my list tonight and wanted to see if there were any others out there that would like to add their info to my database/registry. Thanks, Darrell </div></div>

Darrell,

Do you have my information?

Tim

cook_dw
07-09-2016, 12:38 PM
Yes sir I do. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

rip1166
12-18-2017, 09:15 PM
I have a Butternut Yellow 1968 RS/SS Camaro Convertible L78. High optioned with 4-speed, AM/FM Stereo 8-track multiplex, tic-toc-tach (6 grand redline of course) and gauges, tilt wheel and power top. I added a factory luggage rack so looks like a real sleeper. Owner's names back to new and was confirmed L78 by 2nd owner (1971-1973) whom purchased car from original owner. Original block but not original but correct heads. Purchased it from best friend's estate but I checked the car out for him back in 1999 before purchasing which was from a well known collector.

rip1166
12-19-2017, 01:58 AM
Here are a few pics. Not quite finished with it yet but close!

cook_dw
12-19-2017, 12:12 PM
Great pics and nice project. Do you care to pm or email me pics of the vin, trim tag, all stampings and docs so I can add the info?


cook_dw"at"hotmail.com

replace "at" with @

Thanks!

66 L78 ragtop
12-20-2017, 01:22 AM
I own a 24,000 mile RS/SS L78 survivor... fully documented original owner car until 2011

cook_dw
12-20-2017, 11:13 AM
I own a 24,000 mile RS/SS L78 survivor... fully documented original owner car until 2011



Do you care to pm or email me pics of the vin, trim tag, all stampings and docs so I can add the info to my registry?


cook_dw"at"hotmail.com

replace "at" with @

Thanks!

66 L78 ragtop
12-20-2017, 02:09 PM
I’ll can get that info to you after the holidays

cook_dw
12-20-2017, 02:16 PM
Sounds good thank you.

rip1166
12-21-2017, 02:23 PM
I am seriously considering selling my L78 convertible and probably should hold off sharing all of those details and allow new owner to provide if they choose since a lot of it provides owner history etc. which will only be provided to very serious buyer.

scuncio
12-21-2017, 03:54 PM
Just my opinion, but I think sharing those details would only help you sell the car.

cook_dw
12-21-2017, 04:09 PM
I am seriously considering selling my L78 convertible and probably should hold off sharing all of those details and allow new owner to provide if they choose since a lot of it provides owner history etc. which will only be provided to very serious buyer.


I do not share the data that I acquire. I keep track of these cars for the love and passion I have for them. Also if later down the road someone changes something on it then I will have record of what it was at a certain date of entry. This is nothing more than me trying to help the hobby with my passion.