OK,who has ran thier car at the track?no BS lets see some time slips

[mdaniels]

I was wondering who still runs their car.
What is the best time YOU have driven the car you own to.
Anyone street race?

[Charley Lillard]

67 Red Witch Camaro that I am driving across country next week on Power Tour. My best time was 12.50@119mph, starting out in secong gear. As evidenced by the mph, I am not good at managing wheel spin.

[Chevy454]

Well, let's see...our '69 Yenko Camaro managed 13.20s @ 104+ at the '99 Pure Stock Drags, but was a bit "off the pace" at the '00 Pure Stock drags with only a 13.60s +. BUT, we are hopefully going to soon start an engine rebuild, which will HOPEFULLY put the car in the 12s. If I can just find a block...

I hope we can do some "shakedown" runs at the Supercar Reunion this fall at Gateway Intl. Raceway in our Camaro, kind of get the bugs worked out before Michigan. Also, hopefully the Nova will be together and see it's share of track time as well!

OK, Pete, now it's YOUR TURN!!!!

[Edited by Chevy454 (04-24-2001 at 09:10 PM).]

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Best time by Neal Robbins and his '70 Yenko Nova is 13.45 @ 105.5. This was at his home track, 8:30 in the evening, temp = 72 degrees, and low humidity. This is probably the best case scenario for an LT1 Nova, wheelspin was obviously a problem.
M

[MikeA]

M:

Does Neal's car have any serious engine mods or is he running stock? I have a friend who refuses to believe that a "little Nova" could run a 13.5 et +/-.

[Chevy454]

MikeA:

I can vouch for those "little Novas" running those times, as the few Deuces I have seen seem to move with great EASE! Surprisingly quick for a small block.

Pete's Nova has ran some REALLY quick times, as I am hoping he will chime in here some time soon. Seems like I remember him running 12s on drag radials... http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

[COPO PETE]

Those Nova's are "the little car that could".
Best time for my COPO LT-1 Nova on 25 year old poly's and a unrestored car is 13.22 @ 105. The car motor is totally stock and will go through a certified stock process at the pure stock drags in 2002. That is with original springs front and rear with 50/50 shocks all the way around. I hope to be the first certified stock smallbock in the 12's. Admittedly I'll need the perfect day with a tailwind. The only difference with the Canadian COPO's from the Yenko's is that both Canadian cars were ordered by Dave Mathers with M20's. That makes all the difference.
My yellow COPO Chevelle on poly's has run a 12.89 @ 111. My orange COPO Camaro has run a best of 12.87 @ 108, and my white COPO Camaro has run a best of 12.69 @ 109. All these times are on F70-14 polyglas tires and will pass cerified stock in there sleep. The difference in times on the two Camaro's is due to orange car has 4:10's and the white car has 4:56 in it. White car motor dyno's out at 420 horse in stock form as seen in MCR. Just curious... Do most of you think I'm nuts for racing these cars? I was the only one for years. Glad to see the Clary's joining ranks. I'm not looking for compliments and I can take the critism, Im just curious as to how people feel on this. Personally I think it's a great way to show people why this are "Super Cars".My cars will never be 1000 point diamond cars but they don't look bad for a farm boy. http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif

[Jeff H]

Pete, I think it's great to see you running your cars to show what they were really built for in the first place. I can also see the argument that it would be too risky to run the original motor in such a car due to its value. I will have to make that decision with my crossram JL8 car next year. Should I build a backup motor to keep the original block safe and secure? I've got a lot invested so I may have to run another motor to protect my investment. But I will be driving the car when it's done.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

MikeA;
Neal's car is stock, with the changes allowed by the pure stock drags - dual exhaust with two mufflers rather than one crossflow, jetting and timing. The only advantage that Neal might have is that his car came with 4.56 gears instead of 4.10's. (This is not uncommon, there are three Yenko Novas without 4.10's). I said, 'might' have an advantage, because those gears hurt his 60 foot times so much that Pete Simpson's COPO Nova with 4.10's beat him every time. Neal was faster than Pete through each successive timing increment, but the steep gears put him too far behind during the first 60'.

I don't know the best time that Pete's COPO Nova has run, but I believe it is better than 13.45, but with a little less mph.
M

[Chevy454]

Low 13s? Small block? A-W-E-S-O-M-E!!!! And these LT-1/LS-1 guys in their late model F-bodies think they own the only killer small blocks! They wish!

This thread is really helping my argument for making a '70 Deuce the next car in our stable...Dad...are you reading this?

[COPO PETE]

Just to update what I said earlier. The Clary's are not the only one's to join ranks and make supercars proud. As Marlin stated earlier, Neil Robbins has been out tearing up the dragstrip and my good friend Randy Miller also had his Camaro working awsome. I've seen his car with BFG sticky's run 11.89 through the manifolds with a NHRA stock spec'd motor. Sorry guys, clearly an oversight!.....Hey Marlin, let's whind Neil up. You say his car is slower because of his 4:56. I say mine is faster because of the M20. Jimmy say's it's all in the driver. Let's both agree with Jimmy. http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif
PS: come on Marlin, you can spill the beans. I'm thinking after Brewers article in MCR that Neils car will have everone of them little secrets done. When he goes 12.0's I'll know why. Tell him I'm going to weigh his spare. http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif
Peter

[68ys8030]

ok... i had a hugger orange 69 RS-Z/28
matching dz 302 the motor was .030 over
balanced. the 3927186 heads were ported and polished and it had the base cam... not the
offroad. 1 5/8 headers. stock ignition,carb,intake ect... had a 4:88 gear
and with 28x9 slicks ran 12.48 @ 107.5
i had a lemans blue 69 Z/28 same motor specs as the other but had an ultradyne solid cam 540/556 288/296 and a 4:56 gear
it ran 12:20's all day long 114 mph. it had an MSD ignition too but i dont hink it did a thing for performance. points do fine.
i'm now looking for that 69 COPO project car you are all sick of me posting about.
when its done you can bet it'll be at the track too!!! i'm betting 11:50's 118 or so.
tuning has a ton to do with making these old muscle cars run the way they should!!
4 degrees base timing in a 69 zee? no wonder they run 14's and 15's!!!! see ya guys!!!!! thanks for the great web site!
steve keech sarasota florida!!

[Chevy454]

Pete:

Glad you brought up Miller's Yenko! I heard thru the grapevine the last couple of years that Randy was asked not to bring his Camaro back...any truth to that? Now, I honestly can't remember where I heard that, so it may just be a bunch of "BS", which wouldn't surprise me since he was there the following year with his LS-6.

[MikeA]

This is great stuff!! I'm glad to hear COPO Pete races his cars. That is what they are made for.

I'm going to direct my buddy (Buick guy) to this thread for some interesting reading. I can not wait to the Pure Stock Drags next year. COPO Pete, PLEASE dismantle some Buicks for me!!!

[Chevy454]

Mike:

Just curious...does your "friend" frequent the Buick GSCA site? If so, he has probably ran across Pete and I there.

As far as Pete dismantling (sp?) some Buicks...unfortunately, comparing the Buicks to Petes cars is like comparing apples to oranges. While Pete does more than his share of clock cleaning at the PSMCDR, those Buicks seem to abide by a different set of rules. Those Buicks at the top of the heap are built for the "Stock Appearing" class at the GS Nats, which is a WHOLE OTHER ball game compared to the majority of the cars at the PSMCDR! Pete's going to certify his cars this year...but where are the Buicks?

But, like I said above, Pete does more than his share of "dismantling"!

[Edited by Chevy454 (04-25-2001 at 09:04 PM).]

[COPO PETE]

I'll be glad to try to dismantle any one of them...as long as they get certified.
Randy Miller was not asked to not bring his Yenko back. Dan did suggest that his kind of car was not the type of car they were trying to attract. His NHRA cam was a little on the lumpy side and his mufflers were a little loud. Randy, being the gentleman he is, decided on his own not to bring the Camaro and bring the LS-6 instead.It was dropped after that. No name calling, no tempers, just "ok. if thats what you want". A true gentleman, just like all supercar owners eh!
Peter

[Chevy454]

Thanks for the info, Pete. I went back and checked some of my emails from Dan a while back, and he said something about the kind of mufflers they would rather have, and he stated some examples. I kind of figured it must not have been too big of a deal, as Randy was back next year with that SWEET LS-6 (hasn't he owned it since new?) and he spoke real highly of the event. I wish he had been there last year...must have been busy at work or something.

Ditto on the Buick certification thing...but I wouldn't hold your breath http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif.

[MikeA]

I'm not sure if he visits the GSCA site or not. We have this Chevy vs Buick debate everytime MCR prints the Pure Stock Drag issue. He claims "his" Buicks are "stock" and we argue about that all the time.

We finally decided that a if certified stock Chevy goes againist a certified Buick that the results may end the debate. However, It is my opinion that there will not be too many certified GSs and GSXs there.

Pete, I agree as long as they get certified.



[Edited by MikeA (04-25-2001 at 09:30 PM).]

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Pete;
I believe Neal will not bring his '68 L89 car back, Brewer's 'stock appearing' car kind of puts a damper on things.

As for Randy's car, you are correct. Pure Stock noticed the front springs, mufflers, cheetah shifter, cam, and his 12.0 times at the NMCA events and made some suggestions towards bringing the LS6 car. Randy's a cool guy, and lucky for him has a rare car set up for each event! It was cool to see the HO COPO a/t and the HO Yenko a/t go down the track, I videotaped it.
M

[Chevy454]

M:

So, any chance of me FINALLY meeting you in person this year...like at the Reunion or the PSMCDR? Will Neal be bringing anything to PSMCDR? I think I met him n '99(?), but I didn't realize who it was until AFTER the event, and you said something about his car! Wish I would have known!!

Pete:

Seems like I remember you saying you WOULD NOT be in Ohio this year? I have thought about going IF we have the Camaro back together, but I would rather support Bob/Dan's event FULLY, as it was kind of his "brainchild" in the first place. I guess I will see you at certification, though! What day will you be there?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Rob;
I was just talking with my wife last night about the various long distance car events this summer. I would like to go to all of them of course, but vacation time is always limited. My first priority is to finish my car, after 5.5 years I am getting anxious.

I would like to go to the NNNova Nationals in Indy this summer, because that is where my car was sold new and my original owner might attend as well. I would like to finally get to the Yenko Reunion, and make another visit to the Pure Stock drags. Without a truck and trailer, these events are going to be difficult!! I might borrow some frequent flyer miles in order to attend the reunion, but we will see how things progress throughout the summer.
M

[Edited by YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY (04-26-2001 at 11:04 AM).]

[COPO PETE]

Marlin; Glad to hear you vidiotaped that race. It's one of the few times I've ever managed to stay in front of Randy's car. Glad it's documented. Please find out if Neil is coming as it will make a considerable difference as to how much beer I need to bring! http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif
As far as me being in Ohio. I will most definitly be there unless something stupid happens. There are too few of these events and I intend to support all of them I can. I think Brad is trying to put on a top notch event and will. It may take him a few years to know exactly what he wants but I'm confident he'll get it all figured out.
Peter

[Chevy454]

Pete:

What car(s) will you (or JJ) have at Ohio? Is JJ going to certify his Nova as well?

M:

It's too bad Neal won't have the L-89 Nova back http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/frown.gif. Any chance he might bring his "other" Nova out to play?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Rob;
Neal just received his current project back from the stripe shop; Forest Green, 4speed, Yenko Nova. He will have it at the GM show at Carlisle, but am not sure if he plans to take it to the PS-drags. He might take the Cran-Red Yenko Nova though.
M

[COPO PETE]

Rob; Jimmy J will be at certification. Engine goes on the dyno in a couple of weeks. Could get interesting.
Peter

[Chevy454]

Pete:

Keep us posted on Jimmy's dyno results! What kind of times has his Nova ran so far, with the "old" engine? Seems like I remember him running 12.7s(?) at Michigan with it last year?

M:

Maybe I will run into you or Neil somewhere, who knows!? It would be neat to see a larger Supercar showing at the Pure Stock Drags!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Rob/Pete;
I will keep you posted on any Yenko Novas that might be attending the PS-Drags. At this time, I don't know of any - but hopefully that will change over the summer.
M

[Chevy454]

OK small block Nova guys...as you can see, we have a fellow GM boy lurking around here, running one of those "other" small blocks. If you don't remember, Casey Marks (F-85 W-31 Olds) has been at the PSMCDR the last 3(?) years, and was recently in the latest small block shootout in MCR. And, if you didn't notice, he was smack dab in the middle 13s! BUT, he is not saying what kind of times he ran the other night at the track...

Anyway, I just thought I would pass along some new member info, and maybe you will *run* into him at the track sometime http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif!

[Casey Marks]

Rob - don't go gettin' the locals all roused up now....... http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

PS - I've been doing the PSMCDR before it was even really known as that. When I bought my current house in 1994, a bunch of us (20-25 ??) rented Milan Dragway, and decided to run our pure-stockers. This included Bob, Dan, me, and some other local Michigan boys that are part of what we all now know as the PSMCDR. We were kinda getting homesick for those type of races after the demise of the MuscleCar Nationals from the '80's. After the day at the track, we all went back to my house and had a BBQ, watched old videos, and did some general - good controversial bench-racing. It got REAL interesting when we decided to have a *C-Body MOPAR* shootout in front of my house. My little brother's 69 383 Plymouth VIP against Matt Hammond's (73 401 Javelin fame) 70 383 Dodge Monaco. I've got a pic of us in the road with Brian Stefina (61 283/270 Vette) flagging us down .........

Ahhhhhh - the good 'ole days ...... http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

[Mike Wowk]

So Casey, This is where you guys have been hiding? If you guys(Yenko) will allow a half breed Olds/ Mopar freek to join in, How about lettin' a pure bred Mopar guy hang out also? Mike
1970 Road Runner
440+6 727TF
3.55 gears
12.90@106

[Chevy454]

Well...I guess it will be ok, Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif. We will try not to hold that Mopar "problem" of yours against you. I had better go change the user agreement...

Casey:

So, this ain't your first rodeo, huh?! I didn't realize you have been at the "pure stock" thing for this long! That explains why you know so many of the people/cars at the events.

Seriously, though, good to have you both on the board! So, who's going to Ohio?

[Casey Marks]

http://www.moparts.org/ubb/wave.gif I'll be in Ohio .......

[Mike Wowk]

My car is already in Ohio. I'm working on getting a set of 3.91 or 4.10 gears. Other than that it's ready to go. I hope to have it consistantly in the 12's this year. Rob will you guys be commin'? Or are you just going to Michigan?

Casey, Did you notice they talk a awful lot about Chevys on this site? :D

[Edited by Mike Wowk (05-04-2001 at 09:27 AM).]

[Chevy454]

Well, for sure we will be in Michigan, but I don't know about Ohio. We have yet to acquire a 427/512 block, so the "old" 427 is still in the car. If we can get the engine rebuilt by then, I wouldn't mind heading out to OH and getting a few runs in before the tear down in Michigan. But, at the current pace, I may NEVER get an engine built!!!!

[Edited by Chevy454 (05-04-2001 at 10:47 AM).]

[Mike Wowk]

Rob,
427/512??? Is that the range of cubic inches you may be running? Shame on you! You had us all believing you guys were straight shooters and only believed in "pure stock" Look here Caseys only been here a short time and he has already corrupted you!

[Casey Marks]

396 / 402 / 427 / 454 / 502 ...... they're all the same, aren't they ???

[Mike Wowk]

Hey Rob,
Let me handle this light weight for you!
Same basic thing just like 350,403,455.

[Chevy454]

I forgot that some of you "outcasts" were over here from Buick board! I should have been more specific...in '69 the COPOs generally used the block casting "512", which was a pre-cursor of things to come in '70, as it was notched for the longer throw of the 454 crank.

Funny thing, though...seems I keep getting emails about "stroking" this and that...I guess that sort of thing is popular with small block Olds engines... http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

[Mike Wowk]

So a 427 has a shorter stroke than a 454?

[Casey Marks]

YES

A 427 has a 3.760" stroke, compared to the even 4" stroke of a 454. Same rod length, same bore.

[Mike Wowk]

OK then does a 427 have a taller piston? Or do they move the pin location? Or do all 427s just have 7 to 1 compression? LOL

[COPO PETE]

Rob! I can see you will let just about anyone on this site. http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif Welcome aboard gents. While your here Casey and Mike, what's going on with the Buick sight? I can't seem to beam it up. I'm starting to think it's a conspiracy. It's been over a week and nothing. I imagine that the Ford New Holland boys will be wondering why productivity is up so high the last bit. Good thing this sight is going or you guys would likely be fathers in the next nine months. Last question for you guys. Are you spies? I'm thinking you are. http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif
Peter

[Ron Nies]

While you all are in the habbit of letting some Mopar people on this board maybe I can jump on the band wagon? Yeah I am a Mopar man but I like all Muscle cars and will admit that these Yenko, COPO, Motion and the other cars represented here are some fine examples of American Muscle! I have a 383 Dart but its not all stock so I cant run it in the Pure stock race but I want to build a car for the race and I enjoy watching these cars that look all stock run so good whatever brand they are.I grew up in the 60,s and 70,s and saw these cars first hand and thats why I like em so much! I have seen Petes COPO cars and Robs yellow Yenko car and they are great looking and running cars so I hope you dont mind another Mopar guy hanging around to shoot the breeze and put in his 2 cents once in awhile! Besides I cant seem to get the board at the Buick site working and I need to know how the other brands are doing! Thanks, Ron

[Edited by Ron Nies (05-05-2001 at 01:32 AM).]

[Chevy454]

Pete:

What is it politicians always say...keep your friends close, and your enemies closer? J/K! The Buick board being down has really picked up the membership around here!

Mike:

The standard 396/402/427 use taller pistons than a 454 does. But, the 366/427 TRUCK engines use and even taller piston because the block has a taller deck.

Ron:

Good to have another "convert" from the GSCA board! I guess we can handle another Mopar guy around here http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif . I had better watch what I say about Mopars around here, as there are several members of the board here that have a tendency to "cross enemy lines" and own non-GM cars. A good example was Mike Guarise's (sixtiesmuscle here on the board) '67 Super Stock Hemi Belvedere in the last issue of MCR. And I'n not even gonna mention all those Mopars that Kevin S. (SuperCars here on the board, www.corvettes-musclecars.com/ (http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/) ) owns! Glad to have you!

[Edited by Chevy454 (05-05-2001 at 10:12 AM).]

[Ron Nies]

Thanks Chevy454 and I reconize some of the other people on this board from thr Buick and Moparts site so I know who some of the trouble makers are! Just kidding as I know people like Casey and Mike know and enjoy any nice Muscle car and would never talk bad about anyone! Right? I saw that dyno run in MCR on Petes 427 and I think it was 428 HP(if memory serves me right) which is pretty stout for stock pieces. Pete Simpson really has a fine car cllection there! Wasnt that his cars in MCR a few years ago where they drag tested a COPO Camaro,Chevelle and Nova? Ron

[Edited by Ron Nies (05-05-2001 at 10:52 AM).]

[Chevy454]

Yeah, those were Pete's cars. They tested them all on both Polyglass and BFG Drag Radials, to see what kind of advantage could be gained. Needless to say, the cars ran very well! I can't hardly wait to see what kind of numbers he will lay down in Michigan this year!

[COPO PETE]

Ron; Thanks for the kind words. It's nice to see mopar boys appreciating what some of us other guys are doing. Keep talking like that and we'll let you stay for as long as you like. Have a great one.
Peter