Ebay COPO

[Z28DZ]

If interested. Any info on this car?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1828417859&r=0&t=0

[COPO PETE]

It's interesting that on the pass. inner fender that it has the "Engine oil recommendation" sticker that was on Canadian cars. Must be from Canada. It'll make it easy to find info on it if it is!
Peter

[Denis]

What bothers me is the same guy making 15 consecutive bids on the car (check the bid history).

[COPO]

I'd say the bids are legit. What do you think Stefano? http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

[shor]

I'd say that guy making 15 consecutive bids is a very persistent fellow.

[CopoCrunkus]

That happens very often with Proxy Bidding.


-Frank

[Stefano]

I certainly consider them legit.

[COPO PETE]

WEll maybe I should check my records sooner. It's the real deal folks! Shipped April 30, 1969. Came with M22, Chambered,Endura,gauges rally's and sold new at Lalonde Chev Olds in Quebec.
Peter

[Mark]

Pete, I am pretty sure this is the car that Mario had for sale at Early Birds in Toronto. I will verify the VIN tonight. I looked at the vehicle for a gentleman from the USA. Fathom green exterior, dark green interior with NOS front end and NOS trunklid. The vehicle is missing the BE rear end, the motor and the M22 transmission are also non original. The "shell" is very solid and a lot of NOS parts went with the vehicle when Mario sold it. He would not budge off $39,000Us when he had it. It will be interesting to see what it gets bid up to.

[YenkoYS100]

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1828417859&r=0&t=0
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Rick

[COPO PETE]

Mark. This car was last owned by Larry Ingrim in Ottawa. He was very particular about this car. I can't believe he sold it as it now looks like it is in NY. I never seen it but it was suppose to be numbers matching and in good shape. He is the one responsible for making up the "Recommended Oil Change" stickers because at the time no-one was making them. I may call him tonight.
Peter

[Mark]

Pete, This is 100% the car Mario at Early Bird's had for sale. I have a printout of the GM documentation and I personally inspected this vehicle. I have numerous digital pictures & notes on this vehicle from my inspection. The motor is a 512 block out of a 1968 Corvette. The only M22 peices that where with the car at the time where M22 guts with a rebuild kit. The rear end in the vehicle at the time of my inspection was a "BR" 3.07 Posi. What was funny about the car was a lot of surface rust on the underside of the roof as well as heavy pitting around the windshield & back glass openings. This is usually due to glass leaks, however the dash panel (where the bottom of the windshield) seals was mint! I was unable to get up under the dash to see if it had been replaced. Note - this is also coded for endura, rallyes & radio delete!

[COPO PETE]

Wow, this car has moved around alot in the last couple of years! Who's name was on the GM Documentation as the owner at that time??
Peter

[Stefano]

COPO Pete & Mark,

Seems that you have quite a bit of info on the car between you.

I am curious as to where all the numbers matching parts showed up from?

The current 512 engine has a Jan 30 1969 casting date and proper pad date and code per the sellers info.

The rear BE housing and trans are also correct dated and coded as are the distributor, carb, water pump and even most of the hose clamps.

[Mark]

Pete, the owners name on the GM documentation says "Early Bird's". Mr Rudow is also aware of the vehicle. Hope this helps.

[Jeff H]

So, does this car have the "original" VIN matching engine in it? They sure have it advertised as if it does. Just because the block is "correct" doesn't make it "original". Does anyone know?

[T Billigen]

Sounds like Mark has inspected this car very well and nothing matches! It is very easy to restamp all the important items. I think what you have is a real copo with non original parts! Still has good value but without matching numbers takes some of that value away.

[69L89396]

Does it have the correct rearend also?
If all the numbers are correct, how would you prove it not to be original?

[Stefano]

Current Seller/Bought it from 'Early Birds' as it sits today.(?)

They have a correct stamped and dated rear which is not on the COPO now. None of the internal components are original COPO parts.
(standard 4 series posi unit).

The Chain of ownership can help document or authenticate certain components.

It is fairly unlikly that the original motor would suddenly appear unscathed after 30 plus years, but at least it is dated correctly.


I think that the documented options make this a very unique COPO.

[Stefano]

The engine has the correct vin stamped in the proper location. Correct Broach marks are also on the pad.

The vin is also on the trans and it is also coded correctly.

I have not seen the COPO and the numbers and description were provided by the seller.

Is the previous owner (non dealer) a list member? Was the car register on the site as numbers matching or has it turned up this way only recently?

[Mark]

Here are some of the dates & numbers from my inspection. Trim tag X44 04C fathom green on dark green. Options from the GM Of Canada documentation: M22, console, U17, VE3, ZJ7, NC8, T60HD battery. Note it is radio delete and is not coded for spoilers (D80). The block is cast A309, The front pad was decked with no restamp, heads 840 (A229 & A289), Empty incorrect Muncie case but complete M22 guts & a BR 12 bolt. NOS parts included where complete GM front end already painted Fathom, NOS trunk lid, 4:10 posi carrier & gears, NOS dash carrier, NOS door w/s, NOS chambered crossover tubes, Gm gas tank, original rad, YJ rallyes, 9B26 (418 starter), NOS jack, B89 (065T) waterpump, 178 & 878 manifolds & smog, 4346 carb plus numerous other NOS parts. I would love to know how the block & transmission all of a sudden "reappeared" as I would like to meet the magician.

[Stefano]

Thanks, Mark.

[COPO PETE]

I have seen on two different occassions where a car was sold without the original motor and then found and reunited. I know right now a COPO Camaro without a motor and a couple of hours away the original motor is sitting. Someday they will be reunited, but for someone to find the complete drivetrain is quite an "accomplishment"!
Peter

[SuperNovaSS]

They have added more pictures to their website.

http://www.geocities.com/musclecarzzz/copo.html



Jason

[copo9566aa]

I a little this Camaro remembers,Fathom Green and the other Cortez Silver which rolled has Montreal at that time one of both had the black rear taillight panel with a dealers sticker on it. does not remember which of both.

[SuperNovaSS]

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[Edited by sYc (05-16-2002 at 10:07 AM).]

[Peter D]

copo9566aa Ahhhh,.....What? Are you french-canadian? Please say more about cortez silver copo. In french o.k. Maybe copo pete can translate. Thank you Peter D.

[COPO PETE]

The Cortez Silver car was sold in Montreal,M21 car with rally's. Don't know much more about it, other then that. COPO9566aa is French Canadian and has helped me ever chance he gets. I'd like to hear more about the blacked out back panel. Makes me wonder if it was a X66 car. It's vin is pretty early. Any body know the latest vin # on a X66 Yenko???
Peter

[Denis]

(translated)

The Canadian Cortez Silver Camaro (COPO VIN 6342***) is probably #5 on the COPO Connection's Canadian Registry (http://www.copo.com/L72-VIN-69-Canadian-Camaro.htm) .

Yes, I'm French-Canadian. What I meant to say was that I knew of 2 COPO Camaros in Montreal in the mid-80s, one Cortez Silver and one Phatom Green, one of the two had a black tail panel with some kind of crest or dealer emblem (Montreal dealer). But I can't remember which of the two cars had the black tail panel. That stuff is getting old now. (PS I was more into the Shelbys in those days)

Merci Thanks

[Peter D]

copo9566aa, Merci. copo pete,Merci. Denis, thank you for translation and all your past posted pictures. Peter

[copo9566aa]

The Cortez Silver Camaro COPO VIN 6342***
probably no 5 on COPO Connection Registry
Canadian COPO Camaro section.
http://www.copo.com/L72-VIN-69-Canadian-Camaro.htm.
Oui je suis Canadien Francais.Ce que je veut dire ces que j'ai connu deux Camaro COPO
a Montrªal au milieux des annªe 80, une Cortez Silver et une Phatom Green,une des deux avait le panneau arri¿re noir avec un crest ou un Logo de dealers(Un dealers de Montrªal) sur le panneau. Mais je me rapelle pas laquelle des deux.Ces dªja vieux tout ca.
(PS J'ªtait plus dans le Shelby dans ce temp la)

Merci Thanks

[Edited by copo9566aa (05-17-2002 at 12:13 PM).]

[69L89396]

How bad does someone want a COPO Camaro project? Bidding at $40,500 and 20 hours left.
any predictions?