HUCKLEBERRY HOUND

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I'm looking for anyone who remembers a '69 Camaro that raced in the northeast area (Island, Cecil, 75-80, Maple Grove, Numedia, Atco, etc...) under the banner of HUCKLEBERRY HOUND. I'm holding a vintage photo of this car in my hand that I purchased at the York show - after all you other guys beat me to them, I was busy chasing Benjamin /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I only noticed this pic because someone had mentioned this racecar to me in the past, I believe it was Dan P. from NJ. However, I do not remember the details of the conversation. The car appears to be fathom green, cowl hood, silver grill, bowtie, endura, 1/4 gills, normally running in SS/EA, but on this evening it was shoe-polished as SS/DA. In this pic it is running against a '69 Chevelle that is in SS/EA under the banner of Bob Fisher Chevrolet - is that a 427/auto classification for the Chevelle as well?

Any info appreciated, I'm trying to piece together a few stories that I have collected about a certain car in this area over the last several years. I think this picture factors into my research.

I will try to scan the pic.

[JoeC]

I have one of a 396 Chevelle that says SS/FA on window

That guy has some great photos. They were developed back in the day which I like better then when you get a new photo from an old neg.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Yea, he had good stuff, The Buzzkill Mayor got some good ones too! This vendor will be at Englishtown in two weeks, I may go back to check out the rest!

Where's DanP? I know he out in AZ battling with the home associations, but haven't heard from him in a while! I'm pretty sure he told me about this 'HOUND' car, and that it was from NJ.

[copo69]

Marlin, Chevelle is probably Musser Bros. car sponsered by Fisher Chevrolet. I'll see if I can find anything about the HH car.

[raywolff]

I remember Huckleberry Hound quite well. This 1969 Camaro SS was bought at Wallace Chevrolet in Linden, NJ. In fact, 2 cars were purchased at the same time - a 1969 Nova SS (396) and the subject car. The original owners were Frankie Johansson and Andy Zimmerman. I had an interest in the car but my primary interest was the cousin Nova. By the way, both were all black when new. Rogers Speed shop in Garwood, NJ did most of the engine work - at lesast provided the facilities, and Andy was the brains behind the actuall mechanics. Andy died in the mid to late 1970's and Frankie is somewhere. He was a professional painter (offices, etc.) and probably inhaled too many fumes.

The Nova ran Pure Stock - B auto and consistantly ran in the low 12's. The Camaro ran in B SS Auto and, when right, ran below the class record.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Nicely done Ray!!

After reading what you typed, I can decipher more names on the car in this picture. 'Chief Mech. Andy Z' is on the lower front fenders. 'Driver Frank Johanssen' is above the door glass on the roof roll. The pit crew members are on the rear quarters behind the rear wheel, but I can't make out the names. The seller told me this pic was taken at Cecil County dragway. Car is very dark in this b/w photo, so black it is. I don't see any SS markings on it, which is why I suspected that it might be a COPO car from NJ or a Yenko car from PA, as well as the class on the window of SS/DA. There is a big 'Duffys' decal on the front fender, is that a parts place? It's a very cool picture!

Now that you mention Wallace Chev. my conversation with Dan P. is coming back to me. Dan was trying to document one of his '68 Novas that has indications of Motion conversion possibilities, this Nova was out of Wallace in Linden, NJ. Dan had tracked down some people that had told him about these cars, and the possibility that there might be a Wallace/Motion connection much like the Baldwin/Motion deal. Dan had conversed with guys who told him about the H.Hound car. When I first saw a HH pic at the show, (it was a smaller pic with the HH car in the other lane, I didn't buy it) I was surprised because I had thought that the HH car was indeed a Nova, possibly Dan's '68 Nova. I guess not unless there were two HH cars - one Camaro and one Nova? Was the Wallace Nova lettered up?

Awesome pic, the more I study it the more I like it. Would be fun to find it, and put it back as the Huckleberry Hound!

Greg, thanks for the tip on the Chevelle. After reading what you typed I can decipher the lettering on the front fender which does appear to be Musser Bros. I could make out the Bros. part but not the 'Mu' portion. Neat car, has a holeshot on the Camaro, both are seriously wrinkling the slicks!

Thanks again, keep the info flowin!

[Mr70]

Marlin,You must have a HorseShoe up your A**!
Way to go Ray. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Jeff H]

We wanna see the picture! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I gotta figure out how to scan the darn thing! I'm not sure how to do it here at work using the fax machine, can't seem to get the file over to my computer - without someone seeing what I'm doing!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The info is flowing in, amazing what an old pic can bring out of the woodwork! The car appears to still be around, will post more when I get the pieces put together. Some records show that Andy Zimmerman passed on in 1976.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Found another pic of the Huckleberry Hound, but it's a '66 or '67 GTX! Same names on the car.

Still diggin for info on the '69 Camaro lettered as the HH car, it is indeed a COPO - and is alive!

[Musclecarkid]

What was the name of the guy selling those photos at York? Was he at the FCR in E-town? I would like to get some good old local drag photos. Thanks, Kevin

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I don't know the guys name, but he has a lot of pics. He says he has 2x that amount still at home!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Short update on the HH car;

The original owner of this car confirms that it was a Tuxedo Black, X11 Copo that was purchased from Wallace Chevrolet in Linden, NJ. The owner removed the VIN (616462)and Trim Tag many years ago, and junked the car. The owner retained the bill of sale, dash bezel, the doors, a fender and possibly the transmission. The owner told each of us the same story, that there was no body and it was junked 20 years ago in northern NJ. These items were for sale, however, approx. 6 people passed on the deal because there was no firewall - much less an entire car. One person considered buying the items as memorabilia, and to prevent a rebody, but the price was prohibitive for that purpose.

About a month ago, I received word that somebody in NY claimed to have bought these items from the orig owner. Additionally, the claim is that the original body was found and pulled from a junk yard after 20+ years even though the orig owner did not remember where the body went. The plan is to restore the car, not sure if it will be done as the HH or factory.

Take it for what it's worth, but beware http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[Salvatore]

Good work Marlin! Love to see those old race cars. Do you know the people in N.Y.? Should we go and take some pictures? Like....before and after http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif Thanks, Sam

[Mike]

Marlin,

Any idea what caused the demise of the car? Did it get wrecked during a race or was rusted out??

Mike

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

To my knowledge the car was not wrecked, but was sitting in the guy's backyard on a trailer for around 10+ years rusting away. The car had 1/4's tacked on, but never fully completed. The BE rear was narrowed and chromed, along with the rear springs, rollpan, etc.... Lots of chrome all over. There were several items that were taken off the car and installed the owner's daughter's car, ie; cowl hood, etc... So, there was really nothing left except what I typed above, and therefore the tags were removed and the body junked. If the owner had known to remove the firewall, he would have done so - he felt that the tags were sufficient to preserve the value/rarity.

Where/how the new owner found the so-called 'original body' in a junk yard is unknown.

[Mr70]

Marlin
Will you post a picture,or guide us to a picture of the Huckleberry Hound car,back in it's Hey Day?
Rick

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I'll try to get one scanned, it's a cool, old school car!

[Mike]

Here's one I had....cool car!!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

That's it! Cool pic, huh? Like the chrome shackles and roll pan?

[Salvatore]

Nice picture Mike. Where did you get it? Thanks, Sam

[Mike]

I downloaded it from another site http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif. Here is another one that has been posted before.

Mike

[Supercar_Kid]

I think that's just the way the light is hitting the rear pan. The "roll pan" is an integral part of the whole tail panel itself. I doubt a racer would go to the trouble of drilling out spot welds, cutting, chroming, and rewelding just to have a shiny lower tail panel. I know...I know...never say never, but I seriously doubt it, JMO. Cool pic though. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Schonyenko2]

Thats a cool picture. Those are wide chromies on the rear. To bad we could'nt find the firewall on that car M. We'd have started a whole new spitin match. Schonye http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Salvatore]

I would love to find the firewall and graff that to the kit car camaros you can buy. Hey Marlin, Schonye, We would have a brand new Hucklberry Hound car!!! Marlin, as long as we could keep it in Day 2. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif Sam

[Schonyenko2]

Sam, we could use those e70 white stripes up front as long as we put the white stripe to the inside. Schonye http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Salvatore]

Ya man...Lets Do it!!! We will have to get Frank and Dave involved also.http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

You guys are shootin me!
White stripe tires are cool lookin, on the outside!
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

[sYc]

Cool pics Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Interesting reading guys, even if some of you can not agree if the whitewalls should go in or out. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Salvatore]

Ya-Ya Marlin, We may let you hang out with us if you are good, and don't say much!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif Sam

[Salvatore]

Looks like Atco, N.J. in the early 70's. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif Sam

[Musclecarkid]

I just found 2 more cool pics of the SS/EA 69 Camaro "Huckleberry Hound" at Englishtown, in a 1970 Raceway News. One has a feature article that is real interesting. I will try to get them scanned and emaied to someone for posting.

[Salvatore]

Want to sell any of your Raceway News? How about your doubles? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif Sam

[Musclecarkid]

Sam.....I don't own the Englishtown Raceway News issues, but have access to them for reference and or copy privilages. My friend "Corvette Lou" has about 20-30 old issues dating from 1970-75. He also has the newer stlye news from late 1970's to 1990's.Lou has a black and silver 57 Vette and is a legend at Raceway Park. He was there the day they opened. All his Raceway News issues are sealed in an air tight vault. Real nice condition.

[Salvatore]

Thanks anyhow Kevin. Sam

[Musclecarkid]

Sam or Marlin, I made some copies at Kinkos today. If you want me to mail to you. Send your home address to my email. You can scan and post them if you'd like.

[Mike]

As a follow-up to the picture I posted of the Huckleberry Hound car....credit for that picture really needs to be given to Mr. Dan Palchanes. I don't know Dan personally but I do know he and Marlin worked hard to uncover the whereabouts and fate of the Huckleberry Hound COPO. It's evident that Dan is passionate about musclecars and his efforts in finding information about these old cars should be admired and appreciated. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif Thanks Dan for giving us the opportunity to see the Huckleberry Hound in its prime.

Thanks again,
Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Those are some cool pics, so are the articles from the Raceway News! The color pic was taken in order to produce promotional handouts, not sure of the purpose of the pic that has the HH car running against the Chevelle. I also bought the big pic of the Plymouth factory lightweight HH car. When I see that vendor again this summer, I'm going to buy the other pic of the HH Camaro racing against a '68 Camaro. I wish more of the car had survived http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[carmter]

That's my Dad's car. Nice pic.

[carmter]

Nice pictures. I think my Dad has the originals hanging up in his house in Florida:)

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Does your Dad still have the tags and paperwork, or did a guy in NY truly buy them from him?

[PeteLeathersac]

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Old thread and pics dead so no idea if this Huckleberry Hound on the truck shot was posted before or not?:hmmm:
Anyone have the VIN of this Wallace Chevrolet car?
:beers:
~ Pete

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[PeteLeathersac]

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A couple more pics of the Huckleberry Hound Copo, same as the no longer working pics posted previously?:hmmm:
I missed it before but see Marlin noted the last 6 earlier = VIN 124379N616462
Interesting too, Googling the Vin takes you to this TC thread w/ another Wallace sold 10/10 car 124379N620776.
https://www.camaros.net/forums/35-copo-dealer/445122-copo.html

:beers:
~ Pete

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[PeteLeathersac]

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[PeteLeathersac]

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Fuzzy but here's another pic of the Wallace Chevrolet delivered Huckleberry Hound Copo.
Bummer the action shots are so poor but does anyone recognize the locations?
:beers:
~ Pete

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[DW31S]

Last shot is York. And Duffy’s was a premier race engine builder out of Red Bank, New Jersey.

[markinnaples]

That was really a great looking Camaro.

[KnA]

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A couple more pics of the Huckleberry Hound Copo, same as the no longer working pics posted previously?:hmmm:
I missed it before but see Marlin noted the last 6 earlier = VIN 124379N616462
Interesting too, Googling the Vin takes you to this TC thread w/ another Wallace sold 10/10 car 124379N620776.
https://www.camaros.net/forums/35-copo-dealer/445122-copo.html

:beers:
~ Pete

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I acquired this a couple years ago. It's either the Huckleberry Hound or the sister to it. This was sold by Wallace Chevrolet and both were delivered the same day.

Any help on figuring out which one it is would be appreciated.

VIN is 124379N620776 and Trim tags are shown attached.

[Kurt S]

I'd say it's the sister to it. HH had style trim and it appears in the pictures. Your car does not have style trim.
Manual or auto trans originally?

[KnA]

I acquired this a couple years ago. It's either the Huckleberry Hound or the sister to it. This was sold by Wallace Chevrolet and both were delivered the same day.

Any help on figuring out which one it is would be appreciated.

VIN is 124379N620776 and Trim tags are shown attached.

This is also on it.

[Billohio]

93 vin numbers from my Z

[KnA]

???

[KnA]

Ok, so I’ve been searching this car on and off for almost 2 years now. The Vin is correct and verified by NCRS that’s it was delivered to Wallace in 69. When I first got the car I got over excited and was wrong about the transmission being correct to the car. I know the 427 was built in 69 but having some issues with the date code. Built in Tonowanda. It was either in a Vette or a copo! The cowl hood wiring hole above the junction block is there in good shape as is the original rubber grommet (although pulled from the fire wall with two wires running through it) so the “cowl hole” is correct there is also a badly rusted and distorted hole on the “area” where the Muncie hole should be but it’s not exact to the locations I have seen in pictures online, but the right edge of the hole almost seems like it could have been stamped?!?

Wallace to the best of my knowledge sold 2 10/10 COPO’s in 69, a 4spd and the HH car. As far as tracking down the last owner she had passed away weeks before I got the car. I will have to try to reach out to next of kin.

On a side note, currently there is a guy named Jon selling the “HH” car in upstate NY. I called him today and asked if he could tell me the vin on the car? He would not but said a sale was pending, and to call back in a week if the other guy doesn’t show. No current pictures of the car but said he has the original title and bill of sale. My gut tell me he doesn’t have the HH car!!! I’m not saying I do? But.... if mine turns out to be the auto Copo then... WTF? Was there a third 10/10 Copo Camaro?!? I feel like I’m on a cold case file! lol!!!

[WorkinProgress]

KnA,

Not sure if you know how to tell if car was originally an automatic, but I would check out the swivel on the frame for the lockout setup. If it is not there, then check and see how many of the three holes are threaded. Two threaded holes for a Muncie. Three threaded would be for the automatic.

- Warren

[KnA]

Good idea! I do and I’ll check! Thanks man ��

[Stefano]

The for sale car is posted on FB.

[KnA]

It’s not the HH car! I hate to say it but I’m almost positive! I can’t stand to hear myself say it because I don’t want to believe it but I might have the real McCoy.

[Kurt S]

Except for one major detail. HH had style trim and it appears in the pictures. Your car does not have style trim.

[KnA]

The car that’s for sale has no pictures?!? No Vin information! No Trim information! I’m posting pictures later that’s gonna make you think?!?

[KnA]

And not for nothing it’s been repainted! Who’s to say they put it back on?

[KnA]

Cowl hole with wiring and original grommet is the first picture.

Second picture is of the underside of the deck lid. Now some of these stickers may not be original, but I researched some of the old ones and they are from the late 60s/ early 70s. If there is anyone who remembers seeing the inside of the deck lid of the HH car, please tell me if this looks familiar or not??

Additionally, I have the matching front wheel and rear wheel in the trunk as pictured on the car in the autographed photo. I will take pics of them and post tomorrow.

[Kurt S]

Can you post a picture of your roof gutters, specifically the 'corner' piece at the top of the windshield?

The other car is not for sale on FB. It's on https://www.racingjunk.com/Chevrolet/183988434/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro.html?category_id=&search=huckleberry&quickSearch=1&np_offset=0&from=search
Won't send pics, makes you question what's there.

1969 Chevrolet Camaro - $29,000
Listed By joejon Contact (716) 435-5020
springville, NY
Ad Number 183988434

Description
1969 427 COPO Camaro
Real COPO Camaro known as Huckleberry hound . Was drag raced in NHRA Super Stock EA when new and never street driven. Disassembled in current state. Still retains many original and valuable parts. Deserves to be resurrected!
If your not into projects this car is probably not for you. Please only inquire if you are a serious buyer. If you don’t waste my time, I won’t waste yours. No photos at thus time - it’s in lots of parts. Original title and paperwork.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Short update on the HH car;

The original owner of this car confirms that it was a Tuxedo Black, X11 Copo that was purchased from Wallace Chevrolet in Linden, NJ. The owner removed the VIN (616462)and Trim Tag many years ago, and junked the car. The owner retained the bill of sale, dash bezel, the doors, a fender and possibly the transmission. The owner told each of us the same story, that there was no body and it was junked 20 years ago in northern NJ. These items were for sale, however, approx. 6 people passed on the deal because there was no firewall - much less an entire car. One person considered buying the items as memorabilia, and to prevent a rebody, but the price was prohibitive for that purpose.

About a month ago, I received word that somebody in NY claimed to have bought these items from the orig owner. Additionally, the claim is that the original body was found and pulled from a junk yard after 20+ years even though the orig owner did not remember where the body went. The plan is to restore the car, not sure if it will be done as the HH or factory.

Take it for what it's worth, but beware https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

The VIN # referenced in this old post was from the original owner of the HH car, which I presume is what the seller in NY purchased way back when.... Wallace sold at least 5 COPO Camaro's, its possible that 2 were black, Frankie recalls the HH car was an X11 body style. Let's see what the seller's VIN is before you go claiming to own the HH car....

Kurt, the HH car is being discussed on FB, but to your point... not For Sale on FB: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2751174798443161&set=pcb.10156748331518017&type=3&theater&ifg=1

[Kurt S]

Thanks Marlin. Finding things on FB is damn difficult with all the different groups.... Esp when I was looking for an ad.

[KnA]

I'm not claiming to own the HH car, I just want to prevent someone from making a $30k mistake. According to all my research, no one can produce this VIN as referenced. All the information on the supposed HH VIN is second hand, I don't go by second hand info. All I'm doing is documenting everything I have found so far. Nothing is telling me I do or don't have the HH car yet. Anybody can tell anyone any VIN number.

Believe me, half of me doesn't want to own the HH car. I don't want the responsibility of bringing it back to its original state.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

It’s not the HH car! I hate to say it but I’m almost positive! I can’t stand to hear myself say it because I don’t want to believe it but I might have the real McCoy.

Ok, I was just confused by this post - wasn't sure what you don't want to believe; that you have a 10 10 COPO car or a 10 10 COPO HH car :dunno:

[KnA]

I am 100% sure I have a '69 Wallace Chevrolet 10/10 COPO, I just am trying to figure out which one. From the information I have gotten, only 2 10/10 X44 COPOs went out from Wallace in '69. One was the HH and the other was the sister car that was sold at the same time. I have one of those cars and I'm trying to get definitive information to determine which one. Any information will help and be appreciated.

[Kurt S]

Can you post a picture of your roof gutters, specifically the 'corner' piece at the top of the windshield?

What info source is providing the definitive information on how the cars were equipped? :dunno:

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I am 100% sure I have a '69 Wallace Chevrolet 10/10 COPO, I just am trying to figure out which one. From the information I have gotten, only 2 10/10 X44 COPOs went out from Wallace in '69. One was the HH and the other was the sister car that was sold at the same time. I have one of those cars and I'm trying to get definitive information to determine which one. Any information will help and be appreciated.

How are you "100% sure I have a .... COPO"? Where have you gotten your info about only 2 10/10 X44 COPO's from Wallace, and how is one of them the HH car if Frankie recalls it as an X11 automatic car? Kurt or Steve can correct me, but I'm pretty sure an X11 has the fancy stuff on it....

[KnA]

That is based off of NCRS information for the dealership and delivery day, the VIN number decode, and an aficionado named Rich that called me right after I bought it who was well-versed in those COPOs. Unfortunately, we lost touch. I am now trying to get the documentation together before I start the full resto on it,so I know what specs I am aiming for during restoration.

[WorkinProgress]

So, was N620776 originally a 4 speed or auto? Also, how about a picture of the top gutter track on the side of the roof by the top of the windshield.

- Warren

[Crush]

So, was N620776 originally a 4 speed or auto? Also, how about a picture of the top gutter track on the side of the roof by the top of the windshield.

- Warren

A bit of a rookie, see it has been asked twice , what’s the top of the gutter tell you?

[KnA]

Photo 1: Gutter

Photo 2: The holes for a wing. This car is an X44, so it shouldn't have a wing, but the HH is pictured as having one, so the holes don't disprove it being the HH. Also in this pic, rumor has it that after its racing days were over, it was painted blue. As seen, that is the color of this vehicle even though the cowl clearly states it was a 10/10.

Photo 3: From what we've gathered, the HH was an automatic. This is clearly an automatic slapstick.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

There are a series of photo's floating on the innerweb that show the creation of the HH, that might help - I just can't find them!

Holes for a wing, don't mean a thing! Goodness, half the Camaro's out there have holes for a wing, neither does an a/t in a 4 hitter car, or blue paint. This is not a 'process of elimination' exercise when Frankie had the original title and VIN, which I don't think matches yours....

I hope I'm wrong, but....

[KnA]

Yeah, I know. None of this stuff "seals the deal". It's just all of the information that trickles in as I'm trying to research this. I am looking for something that can prove it either way. To be honest, it would be a much easier resto if it *isn't* the Hound. If I find out for sure that it is the Huckleberry Hound, then I will have to go insane to get it back to its glory days, bringing history back to life. This isn't a pride thing for me, it's respect to the Hound.

[Kurt S]

The pictures of HH clearly show it had style trim. Frankie's car was X11 and had style trim.
Yours is X44 - no trim from the factory and no trim now. Not an easy detail to add AND then remove.
Can't see how your car could be HH.
Especially when the original owner of HH provides the VIN and it's 9N616462.

What's for sale in NY - not much.

[KnA]

Short update on the HH car;

The original owner of this car confirms that it was a Tuxedo Black, X11 Copo that was purchased from Wallace Chevrolet in Linden, NJ. The owner removed the VIN (616462)and Trim Tag many years ago, and junked the car. The owner retained the bill of sale, dash bezel, the doors, a fender and possibly the transmission. The owner told each of us the same story, that there was no body and it was junked 20 years ago in northern NJ. These items were for sale, however, approx. 6 people passed on the deal because there was no firewall - much less an entire car. One person considered buying the items as memorabilia, and to prevent a rebody, but the price was prohibitive for that purpose.

About a month ago, I received word that somebody in NY claimed to have bought these items from the orig owner. Additionally, the claim is that the original body was found and pulled from a junk yard after 20+ years even though the orig owner did not remember where the body went. The plan is to restore the car, not sure if it will be done as the HH or factory.

Take it for what it's worth, but beware https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

Just saw this post back from 2004. This now makes a lot more sense and makes me feel better. Knowing that 2 10/10 COPOs were sold by Wallace, one being a 4 speed and one being an automatic. Mine has the hole for the clutch and the automatic slapshift, so no idea what this car has gotten itself into over the years. Thanks again for all of your assistance in solving this mystery. I just didn't want to do a normal resto on a car with historic value.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Yea, I'd probably shift focus away from trying to determine if your car is the HH, and put all your energy on determining if its a COPO.....

The HH story is better left with the current seller in NY.

[KnA]

It's definitely a Wallace Chevrolet COPO. 100%. I have all the documentation for that.

[WorkinProgress]

So is it an original 4 speed or automatic?

- Warren

[KnA]

It's an automatic slapstick shifter.

[WorkinProgress]

Was this a column shift originally? Cannot tell with the carpet in place whether it had a console or not. Did you check the shifter lockout linkage on the frame? Can you take a picture of the firewall area where the speedo cable would come out for a Muncie?

- Warren

[KnA]

Just to warn you, this is one of the roughest cars I have ever seen, so the pics aren't pretty, but here is the Muncie hole. I can't tell if it had a console, as it was not there when I picked the car up. As for the shifter lockout linkage on the frame and the firewall area where the speedo cable would come out for a Muncie, there's snow on the ground right now, so I can't get under the car. I'll check that out as soon as I am able.

[Kurt S]

It's definitely a Wallace Chevrolet COPO. 100%. I have all the documentation for that.
Out of curiosity, what is that documentation?

Easy to tell if it had a console: http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#id

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

It's definitely a Wallace Chevrolet COPO. 100%. I have all the documentation for that.

....you had me till "COPO"!! What's the documentation look like to support that claim??

[WorkinProgress]

KnA,

Just so you know, the Muncie speedo cable hole is not there in the firewall. Also you do not have the ducted hood accelerator lever.

What speedo does it have 120, or 140?

- Warren

[KnA]

I just made a long post but somehow it was lost??? So I'll try this again... I own and operate my own repair shop and have been dictating 90% of what i have posted to one of my employees, so somethings weren't written exactly as i said them. So, I'm taking the helm for a bit. Now. I am not 100% sure it's a COPO yet but i am 100% sure it could be? At this point and time no one can tell me either way, X44 bodies were base model cars period. I haven't seen hundred's of base 69's but i have seen a few and none of them had the cowl wiring hole!!! Mine does and that's what started all this crap in the first place. According to all my research only COPO's had the cowl hole. I'm still working on the paper trail and its a tough road ahead I believe. I wish it would be easier. This car is in very bad condition, honestly one of the worst I've ever seen! I wish I could tell you the heater core is for a BBC, but It's not there, I wish I could tell you the engine mounts were for a BBC, but there not there!!!!! Frustrating to say the least! At the end of the day I am now determined to find out one way or another what this ca is. Either way I will let everyone here know what it is.

[WorkinProgress]

OK, so how about a picture of the drivers rear frame rail with the plate welded to it for the tailpipe hanger?

- Warren

[KnA]

Here are a few more interesting resto projects I have lined up.

First pic:

Down below is a 1971 Motion Camaro. Good story behind that car. I had a nice conversation with Joel Rosen who owned Motion Performance back in the day, who confirmed it was definitely one of his. Only $2 grand will get me the authentication.

The car above it is a 33k original miles 1967 Nova. The car was 100% original with a 194 straight 6 with a 3 on the tree. It actually aligned on my rack without having to replace any parts, everything was still tight! lol
For giggles, we searched what the wheel HP was for that car back in 67 and from what I found, it was 90hp. The little 194, 55 years later put down 85.4hp on my DynoJet. INCREDIBLE!!! The 2013 LS-3 ZL-1 and 6 speed will be going into this car, along with the media center, steering column, and all the modules to make it a modern driveline in 67 body.

Second pic:

The 71 Ventura is a single owner, all original 250 I6 with a 3 on the tree, 90k car in fantastic condition! She's getting a 69 427 (I'm keeping the 3 on the tree 'til it blows, lol). I'm making this a 69 Yenko Deuce tribute car.

Not shown, but on the back burner:

Will be restoring a 1971 RS/SS BB 4-speed that I've been sitting on for 16 years. And she matches!

Just figured I'd share.

[KnA]

OK, so how about a picture of the drivers rear frame rail with the plate welded to it for the tailpipe hanger?

- Warren

I'll get it for you this weekend.

[KnA]

Here are a few more interesting resto projects I have lined up.

First pic:

Down below is a 1971 Motion Camaro. Good story behind that car. I had a nice conversation with Joel Rosen who owned Motion Performance back in the day, who confirmed it was definitely one of his. Only $2 grand will get me the authentication.

The car above it is a 33k original miles 1967 Nova. The car was 100% original with a 194 straight 6 with a 3 on the tree. It actually aligned on my rack without having to replace any parts, everything was still tight! lol
For giggles, we searched what the wheel HP was for that car back in 67 and from what I found, it was 90hp. The little 194, 55 years later put down 85.4hp on my DynoJet. INCREDIBLE!!! The 2013 LS-3 ZL-1 and 6 speed will be going into this car, along with the media center, steering column, and all the modules to make it a modern driveline in 67 body.

Second pic:

The 71 Ventura is a single owner, all original 250 I6 with a 3 on the tree, 90k car in fantastic condition! She's getting a 69 427 (I'm keeping the 3 on the tree 'til it blows, lol). I'm making this a 69 Yenko Deuce tribute car.

Not shown, but on the back burner:

Will be restoring a 1971 RS/SS BB 4-speed that I've been sitting on for 16 years. And she matches!

Just figured I'd share.

Pics on page 9, forgot to mention I have over 30 years experience doing restos.

[Mr70]

I had a nice conversation with Joel Rosen who owned Baldwin Chevrolet back in the day..
Ummmmmm Joel Rosen never owned Baldwin Chevrolet.He owned MOTION Performance.

[KnA]

Ummmmmm Joel Rosen never owned Baldwin Chevrolet.He owned MOTION Performance.

Mistype...edited the post, thanks for the heads up.

[PeteLeathersac]

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Old thread but here’s a couple more shots of the Huckleberry Hound car that may as well land here too.
Time sure does fly, wonder what ever became of member KnA above and his Wallace car?:dunno:
:beers:
~ Pete

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[PeteLeathersac]

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Yet one more shot of the Wallace Chevrolet Huckleberry Hound Copo.
Anyone who missed it, an old Wallace employee dropped by recently in this thread…
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1634459
:beers:
~ Pete

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