My SCR7 two cents

[Charley Lillard]

I gotta thank the Clarys's and everybody that came for making it such a fun event. I know we had to twist Belairs arm to get him on a plane to come and now I don't think he will miss another. We might have to make him wait outside during the Banquet though. Thanks to Rita and her husband for letting me complete my mission of returning with real sized pics of Rita. Those of you that frequent the site but don't have a car to bring or it is just too hard to get your car there, come anyway. There were many that showed up without a car and still had a blast. Please remind us next year about name tags and info cards for our cars. There were cars and people that I had no clue about so we gotta fix that. I love the location in relation to the drag strip and hotels but the rooms for the cars are gonna have to get bigger and the Holiday Inn better do a remodel soon.
My Never lost navigation in the rental car did great until I was talking to Pacemes wife when I should have been listening to the never lost lady and turned on the wrong freeway. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif.
My understanding on the low mile Hemi and low mile Yenko that did not make it was because a family member was in a accident over in Germany and he went over there. I thought the driver was still supposed to bring the cars though. I hope the family member is OK and I really hope the low mile cars really do exist. The RS ZL1 and 71 Hemi Cuda did not make it due to transport coordination problems but the upside is Joe Cheeks has the orig block for the RS ZL1 and he and Dave shook hands on a deal so the block will be back with the car. Bill Okerland drove to Virginia and picked up the orig block to ZL1 # 38 that John Ohler owns so in one weekend there are two more ZL1's with their orig blocks.
I wasn't gonna drag race anything but being at that drag strip with so few cars running compared to a normal drag race day I couldn't help myself. I begged Clarys trailer into going back to the hotel for my Super Snake and managed to make three passes in the 14's. I later decided I would just drive the Shelby back to the hotel so Dave C was gonna follow me in my rental car and Colin was gonna ride with me. At the last minute Colin says to go down the strip again so I head down the staging lanes. Well Dave in my rental car, Rich P in his rental and Paceme in his rental follow me down the staging lanes also. I go down the track and they tell the starter they are just following me so he stages them and next thing you know there are rental car races. Rich P schooled Dave running a 16.60 in his Sebring to Daves 18.45 in my Ford Taurus. I have the timeslip and the tower even printed Sebring and Taurus on the timeslip. That is how laid back the drag racing is. Those of you that have not raced yet but are kinda thinking it would be fun but are kinda afraid of embarrasing yourself by running a crappy time, don't worry about it. Most of us run crappy times. I think Shor is hooked on drag racing as evidenced by making 25 plus passes in his Yenko Chevelle. This is the perfect venue to learn as the track is all ours and is not crowded so try taking the plunge next year. If you need advise, there are tons of us know it alls to help out. I will post a few pics . Thanks again for the great time. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Frank doing his boxer routine coming into the ring to take on Marlin. Check out the shirt. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/97101-P1010003.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

The grudge match trophys http://www.yenko.net/attachments/97103-P1010037.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

The winners trophy. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/97104-P1010038.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

The losers trophy. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/97106-P1010039.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Congrats Frank. Here is a starting line pic. I'm sorry I didn't get the pick of Frank riding Marlin like Ned Beatty in Deliverance. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/97108-P1010042.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Colins 289 Cobra. If any of you looked at it and liked the paint it was done by the boys at Imagine. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/97109-P1010054.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

The Webers on the Cobra and it runs great.

[Charley Lillard]

Colins black 64 GTO.

[Charley Lillard]

This is a reflection of me taking a picture of the black paint on the GTO. That is one of the nicest black paint jobs I have seen. I would have it screwed up in about two days.

[Charley Lillard]

Pantera protecting his freshly restored Motion Corvette

[Charley Lillard]

Pantera just patented this low restriction exhaust.

[Charley Lillard]

Annies Grecian Green Gibb 375 hp Nova. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I saw Pantera eyeballing these sidepipes.

[Charley Lillard]

Motion Vettes

[Charley Lillard]

Way too many Deuces. I think we have to ban them next year.

[Charley Lillard]

Sixtiesmuscle's cool looking Rally Green 68 Yenko.

[Charley Lillard]

Here I'm trying to get a pic of Rita but she hid behind Ed Gilpin.

[Charley Lillard]

Ed runs for it but Rita ducks while her Husband wonders what is going on.

[Charley Lillard]

Now her husband helps us to see more skin. Rita brought all this on herself by posting that tiny pic of herself.

[Charley Lillard]

The little punk Caleb Arone trying to make like he is important. The kids have gotten smart and hang together in case Barnhart comes around. I wish I would have taken a pic of his drawing. That kid can draw.

[Charley Lillard]

This is a first for me that I had to post. Barb and Barry Burstein had their Yenko at the show. When it was time to leave I caught Bob putting a sleeve on the aircleaner snorkel to keep it from being scratched by the hood insulation. Nice folks that live near the show and later gave us a tour of their cars. Colin ended up buying a 57 Tbird from Barry that involved a coin flip that I suggested. Barry won the flip so later Colin made me buy dinner since the Tbird cost him a extra 1000.00. I need a guy like Barry to detail my cars. Maybe if I locked him up with my stuff for a week he would just have to clean everything.

[Charley Lillard]

Thats about all I have that is not a duplicate of other pics on the site. I did book a later flight on Sunday and drove up to Springfield to the MCA Mustang Nationals. My 65 Shelby GT350 that has been in restoration for two years made its debut there so I finally got to see it. Shane at Shelby Parts and restoration in Green bay did the car and it is awsome. I think he said its judging score was something like the 4th highest in the Nation for 65 Shelbys. If I want to score higher I need stuff like Orig battery vs repo and orig tires etc. He started the car up for me and it sounds nasty.

[Charley Lillard]

Underside. I forgot to take a engine pic.

[Charley Lillard]

Drivers side

[Charley Lillard]

Floors with slightly larger exhaust. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Interior

[Charley Lillard]

My car is # 76. About the first 100 or so had the battery mounted in the trunk.

[Charley Lillard]

Rear end details.

[55chevy]

[ QUOTE ]
Ed runs for it but Rita ducks while her Husband wonders what is going on.

[/ QUOTE ]

That was one of the funnest moments of SCR7, was it not? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[MrsBillyBobcat]

That "action" pic is hilarious Charley! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thanks for not posting that other one http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[55chevy]

Here is one that everyone has wanted to see for a looong looong time now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I don't think Rita will mind since Charley already blew her cover. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif I had a great time hanging with MrsBillyBobcat.. She is one of the coolest ever http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif We'll have to make her our "official" Miss SuperCar for next year http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[55chevy]

[ QUOTE ]

Thanks for not posting that other one http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif saving that for the offical SCR7 video http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[hvychev]

Great pics Charley!

Yeah Rita is one hot chick! Mr. Billybobcat is a lucky man! (Please don't kick my ass Bill! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

[Belair62]

Couple of local boys duke it out....Dru and Pete...Dru's plate reads " P SYC O " that said it all....these guys thought it was a roundy round race...they just kept pulling back in the lights...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Belair62/SCR7/DSCN0194.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Belair62/SCR7/DSCN0258.jpg

[Mr70]

I don't know who that woman was driving that Sunflower Yellow Deuce at the Track,but like Moparts says,She was driving it like the Parts are Free! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif
I would hope more woman drivers would partake in racing there in the Future..
How bout it Mrs.BillyBobcat..or Annie H.,and even Mrs.HvyChev too. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[sYc]

That was Pam Albert, Jerry's better half. I heard they were having thier own family shoot out. It was neat to watch the two of them go at it. Her in the Deuce, big burnouts and sideways going down the track, and Jerry doing the same in the Camaro. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Salvatore]

The SYC was SUPER! I finally could put faces with names. Loved looking at all the cars especially Marks chevelle and deuce. I never realized up till then that Hurst had something to do with the 1970 Yenko Deuces. I liked the Hurst mags and emblem he had on the car. Rubbing elbows with you guys helps me learn something everyday. All the cars were great. Thanks, Sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DaJudge]

You guys have some really nice cars. It's really awesome to see Yenko's racing down the quarter mile. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Belair62]

...but their center caps ran a better E.T. than the cars did !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[396L35]

Belair, I can only remember one set of caps that ran a better E.T.???? You must have had too many BLUE RIBBONS.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/97383-enough.JPG

[Belair62]

Thats because you were already 3 sheets to the wind....they both lost caps !!! Stay away from the beer trailer !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[396L35]

I never mede it to the beer trailer... You and Charley drank it all before I got there... I had to dring alone... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DarrenX33]

Now that's a picture. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Bob with all his friends?
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Charley Lillard]

"Bob with all his friends"..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[GTO_DON]

Sam, Ive been following Hurst and all their cars for years and have never heard or read anything about hurst getting together with YENKO. Are you sure mark didn't just put the wheels and emblem on the duece because he likes the look??? Is there any paperwork showing this? Hurst was real busy with pontiac in 70 with the ssj project,and they were going to do some cars with chrysler but thats it. and they never put hurst wheels on any of their cars except the HEMI UNDER GLASS car. remember they stopped producing hurst mags in 1968. But i'll tell ya, that car is the [censored] with those wheels on it. BEAUTIFUL CAR MARK! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif I PUT THEM ON ALL MY CARS http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Chevy454]

Don:

I'm sure Marlin will jump in here with the complete 4-1-1, but I believe Hurst was involved in like the last 25 Deuces or something like that...

Edit: I just scammed this from the YENKO (http://www.yenko.net/dealers/yenko.htm) page here on the site, with Deuce info (http://www.yenko.net/dealers/yenko.htm#70Novas) provided by Marlin...

<font color="blue">"Due to demand, 50 more cars were ordered, this time with 3 new colors replacing 3 old colors, and 10 cars of each color were ordered. Once again, there was an uneven split between cars ordered with the 4-speed, automatic, and power steering options. It is believed this second order of cars were most likely modified with Yenko specifics of stripes, wheels, Dixco hood tach, ect. by Hurst Performance in Detroit, MI."</font>

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
"Bob with all his friends".....

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually I think he is rehearsing his "one liners". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The Hurst connection with the Deuces runs pretty deep, and has been well documented over the years. The cars were definitely not shipped to the Warminster, PA plant, as I have spoken with Campbell and he recalls them shipped to the Detroit location. The Hurst tie-in includes things like the sport mirrors option that are borrowed from the Hurst Olds and Hurst Scramblers, the hood scoop option that is borrowed from Rebel Machine, the special shifter arm from the GTO bench seat cars, etc.... The paperwork backs it up, in fact the last 50 cars actually receive a unique stock number starting with an 'H' for? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

The deuces did not receive the Hurst wheels to our knowledge. However, Marks car is unique in that we believe it had Hurst wheels very early in it's life. This is documented by some pics from the first owners showing the car with them installed, unsure where the pics are today, but suffice to say he will get copies of my copies http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I have my 'one-liners' ready, but Frankie has let me down easy so I'm saving 'em http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Belair62]

Hey you punks I was yappin with Dennis Cumby and Annie....Charley was payin people to take pictures with himself...Mrs B...hope you don't try and cash one of Charleys checks...and Marlin...don't make me start on you next ! That was a nice ice cold PBR from private stash !

[DarrenX33]

Your gonna tell me you didn't see them?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/darren_costello/warisover.jpg

[MrsBillyBobcat]

[ QUOTE ]
...Charley was payin people to take pictures with himself...Mrs B...hope you don't try and cash one of Charleys checks...

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh no...He paid me in CASH! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[MrsBillyBobcat]

[ QUOTE ]


Yeah Rita is one hot chick! Mr. Billybobcat is a lucky man! (Please don't kick my ass Bill! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL! Gosh Frank, you really know how to make this old chick blush! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

BTW...Bill was introducing himself as "Mr. MrsBillyBobcat" all weekend http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

It was great to finally meet you and congratulations on winning the race!

Rita http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[MrsBillyBobcat]

Bill was excited that he only had one hand print on his car all day. Wait 'til he sees that I have the culprit on film http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DarrenX33]

The master of disguise. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[MrsBillyBobcat]

This is what the hotel parking looked like after you guys left http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Bill and I were lucky enough to attend a Pontiac show the next day without even leaving the hotel http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif (and boy were the guys from the local GTO club surprised to see us, LOL! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

[Belair62]

Rita that was pretyy cool of you and Bill to attend that show...those guys must have been really glad you did..they probably thought they were dreaming.....neat http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[MrsBillyBobcat]

Oh yeah! They were surprised! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

We were equally surprised to spot this guy still hanging around the parking lot after you guys left http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/darren_costello/112.jpg

[DarrenX33]

Ok. First Belair now Charley. What the heck is going on with all the costume changes??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

How come Charley's head looks so small?....

[Belair62]

Someone let the air out of it ! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[GTO_DON]

And what with the turkey neck???? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/CharleySucks.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Eddie M.]

I can sure see I missed one heck of a show.next year's date will be on my calender for sure http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JoeC]

found a pic on my computer of a orange Deuce with Hurst wheels date 1972. looks like white painted in wheel relief areas to match white frame and traction bars?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

That's the pic I showed Mark, sure looks like Hurst wheels to me. The other pic I have is dated '71, same wheels.

[Supercar_Kid]

Interesting...looks like the "Bullet" style center caps perhaps. And is that a white '69 style pin on Yenko crest on the fender? That's the first I've seen that on a period pic of a Deuce. I'd like to know more about Hurst and their role in the conversion of the later batch of Deuces. Did the Hurst cars make a stop in Canonsburg, or were they delivered right from GM to Hurst? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The YENKO crest emblem in that pic is the standard chrome and black like the rest of the deuces, however, it is quite common for the second batch of cars to get their emblems painted completely white - similar to the '69 style, instead of leaving the outer edge chrome like most of the first 125 cars.

From what we have learned, the second order of 50 cars were delivered from Willow Run, MI to the Hurst building in Detroit. After their 'conversions', they were either drop shipped to the appropriate dealer if they were 'on order' by a dealer, or were shipped to Canonsburg. The Hooper deuce was sold out of Yenko, so we know that some of the second order cars came to PA. Other second order cars that were not 'spring' colors were also sold out of Yenko. We looked at the timing of when Hurst would have completed the 'conversions' vs. when Yenko started shipping cars that he had 'converted' and the timing lines up where Yenko would have the room to stash the inventory that was initially shipped to Hurst.

[camarojoe]

So Marlin, am I correct in assuming that many of the "second batch" Deuces went from the GM plant, to Hurst, to the dealer and never actually spent a single night in Canonsburg or were touched by anyone from Yenko Chevrolet?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Yes, that is a definite possibility. Similar to the '67 Yenko Camaro's that were 'converted' by Harrell.

[GTO_DON]

Marlin,im trying to get a clear pic of the wheels on the deuce. they honestly dont look like hurst wheels to me. the outer edge of the wheel is not the same thickness of a hurst trim ring. they look more like a keystone mag. im really want to learn more about hurst doing the conversion. I cant figure why hurst would get involved putting on a hood tach and some striping. Didnt the deuces all came from the factory with the LT1 and 410's? what else did hurst do to the cars?? From what ive read about yenkos,Don paid kids to stripe the 69's,no? It just dont seem cost effective to me. Is there any hurst or yenko memos on this subject?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif im just trying to learn. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

They look kind of like Keystones to me too Don

[Salvatore]

Don, When I heard that at the re-union about Hurst I was puzzled also. Believe me, I don' pretend to know much at all about what Don Yenko did. Maybe the last batch of cars were higher priced because of the extra expense at Hurst. Maybe Hurst got them because Yenko couldn't sell them! Maybe GM asked Hurst to help them market these cars. Maybe they should be COPO deuces with a Hurst badge. Or maybe we should call them the......Jack Douglass deuces. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[Steve_Hoog]

After a six pack of Blue Ribbon, no telling what they will look like.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Schonyenko2]

The late build blue deuce that Dave Belk bought from the original owner in Souix city Ia. that was sold from Kidder Kneffler was sent direct from Hurst to the dealer. Most likley my SF yellow deuce was also on that transport, as Cedar Rapids would be on the way. Dave had transport documents to show it was a direct shipment.
The Hurst equiped emblem on the left rear of the trunk was added by Dave. They sold them at local speed shops all over back"in the day". I almost put one on mine way back then before I even knew of the Hurst connection. Schonye

[whitetop]

Don &amp; belair62

I believe the wheels are Keystone "Rouges" Very rare wheel to find today because not many sold. Not 100% sure on the spelling.

[Salvatore]

So GM sent them to Hurst for a Yenko fit out? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif and they did not add the Hurst emblem, but was later added by the owner? Why didn't Hurst make it a Hurst deuce? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Belair62]

Got a pic of one Dave ?

[Steve_Hoog]

Belair it took me a while, but now I remember where I saw those wheels before. If anyone should know what they are, it's you!!! Cause their on your car!!!

http://www.empgmc.com/race/belairpinto.jpg

[Born30YrsLate]

[ QUOTE ]
After a six pack of Blue Ribbon, no telling what they will look like.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just a six pack...what - are you getting old?... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

Because they were Yenko Deuces ! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Steve_Hoog]

I'm not old but Belair is, I still buy the kegs.

[whitetop]

Belair
I will have to go through my catalogs this weekend. I looked at the better pic of the car on the main page and the center caps are not bullet shaped but are like the ET "Super" wheels which caps were oval shaped with a flat top.The spoked of the wheels are also flat. Looking at the better pic I'm not sure if they are Rogues. Some 2nd tier companies made wheels like these in the mid '60's like Foresight Ventures, Durachrome etc.

[Schonyenko2]

Don was paying them to do the changes to make them identifiable as Yenkos. Don't think he felt he needed the Hurst immage like the Hurst olds, or AMC Hurst scramblers. Cronkleton's blue deuce that was at the reunion is also a "Hurst Yenko". It's either the last, or 2nd to last built. Schonye

[Salvatore]

I know I am getting hardning of the arteries, but I still don't understand what Hurst was doing with the Deuces. Did these cars go from GM to Yenko to Hurst then to a dealer? I was dropped alot as a child, so be nice. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Belair62]

Steved...don't make me drag out the gay junkyard pics you posted !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Schonyenko2]

Some went from GM, to Hurst, to the selling dealer. Some may have gone back to Yenko. Hoopers yellow deuce, sold from Yenko may have been slated to come back to Yenko for sale, not transfer to another dealer.We don't know about Cronkleton's as Ericksen's in Milan Ill. doesn't show up anywhere as a Yenko dealer. We know it wasn't a dealer transfer as the window sticker states Ericksen chev. S.

[Salvatore]

Thanks Schonye! Sam

[Steve_Hoog]

Go on, let's see what you got.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

This has been discussed at length on other threads, so I'll try to give the 'cliffs notes' version.

All of the 175 Yenko Deuces were built in 3 consecutive weeks, but in two distinct orders. The cars were ready to ship to Canonsburg, but where was Don going to put 175 Novas in addition to his other new car inventory, his used car inventory, and his leftover inventory? And how was he going to convert 175 cars that had a more complicated stripe pattern than the '69's, needed a wheel change (not a wheel &amp; tire change, just the wheels, so they all had to be broken down to reinstall the whitewall tires!), needed three holes drilled into the hood and install and wire the hood tach, install the emblems and door panel decals, and any additional options like sport mirrors, dual gate shifters, custom steering wheels, etc.... Think about 175 cars lined up nose to tail, and you can see where this can be quite a task. Don't forget that dealers were initially clamoring the for 'The Deuce' and they needed to be shipped asap. How many kids, local garages, spare employees, etc... could Don get to do this work?

It is our understanding that the entire second order of 50 Yenko Deuces were sent directly to Hurst in Detroit to perform this work. It was not a case where Hurst was trying to get into the Nova business, he was just a subcontractor to Don. To our knowledge, Hurst did not install his wheels on any of the cars, nor did any of them receive the 'HURST Equipped' badges when new.

When Hurst completed the conversions, the Deuces were either drop-shipped to the receiving dealer or shipped to Yenko in Canonsburg to await transfer to a particpating dealer. So, it's possible that some of the cars never saw Canonsburg, however, the MSO is still Yenko not Hurst, Kidder, or Douglass. The cars received an HYS-### stock number instead of the normal YS-### stock number to signify that the car was converted by Hurst.

The '67 Yenko Camaros were done similarly. Harrell did the conversions for Yenko, and those cars also may never have seen Canonsburg. If you have ever been to the original dealership, you will have a better understanding where 175 Novas won't fit!

[Supercar_Kid]

I agree the wheels on the orange car in the '71 photos could definietly be something other than Hurst Dazzlers. The rim doesn't appear to be wearing a trim ring either, it looks to me like it's chrome plated or highly polished aluminum. I don't think they're Keystones, at least not Klassics anyhow, so what are they? Who holds the original print of this period photo, I think it would probably be much clearer if we could see the actual print in person. This is certainly an interesting question I'd like to hear a definitive answer to. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The original print was to accompany the car through successive owners, Mark should have gotten those pics when he recieved the car. If not, Belk was the person who initially received the pics from the original owner's family member.

I initially thought that they were Hurst wheels, just didn't have the trim rings installed in that pic. In the '71 pic it appears to have the rings.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Just to clarify, I believe Belk kept the pictures with the car, and they may have since been separated.

[DaJudge]

That's a cool tie in regarding the Deuces and Hurst. Hurst Performance in Warminster, PA was down the road from where I grew up. My father was an executive VP of First Pennsylvania Bank back then and met George Hurst. The Hurst execs had special parking spaces close to the front door, it was very common to see a half dozen Hurst Olds cars in those spots. Way cool that even the execs were into these cars back in the day. There was also a dealer down the street called Paul Oldsmobile and they sold a bunch of Hurst Olds. The Hurst plant is now a plastic tubing manufacturing plant I believe. There is an old Naval airbase across the street and word has it that a bunch of reject Hurst wheels and shifters were used as back fill when the base was constructing a runway. If I had a late build Deuce I would definetely put some Hurst wheels on it, The orange in the video looks great with them http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Double H plastics on Street Rd across from the Johnsville base.

I spoke to Campbell who ran the Warminster plant, and the deuces never came there according to him. In fact, the other Hurst involved cars didn't come there either for any conversion work. He remembers that the Hemi under glass would visit occasionally, but that was about it. They were a mfg plant, and apparently stuck to mfg. I think Dennis Kirban got a lot of stuff from the plant when they were shutting down.

[DaJudge]

That was a sad day when they closed the Warminster plant. They had a side entrance for shifter parts and rebuilds. You could go there and get your shifter rebuilt for about $25.00. I had mine redone on my 69 Judge when I was 18. I did not mean the cars were converted there, it was just really cool to see Hurst Olds parked out front. Kirban lives about 2 miles from me and he has an extensive Hurst collection. I used to buy GTO parts from him and he had his basement lined with all kinds of Hurst and GTO. goodies. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Fasttoys1]

My appology to any I dissapointed by not getting the cars or myself to the Re-union. SORRY. I unfortunately had some family issues that needed my immediate attention and had to leave the country.

I do thank Tom, Rob, Dennis C, MrsBillyBobcat (Rita), Charley L, and the others of you who expressed concern and said some prayers. The good news is my Daughter was released from Hospital last week and my Grand Daughter Today! Hopefully all will work out just fine.

I can now get back to my Hobby "Fasttoys".

Thanks again for all the positive energy.

[camarojoe]

Glad to see you back online, and even better to hear your family is recovering. I'm sure i'm not alone in saying we were all very anxious to see these cars and quite honestly, still are! How about posting some current pics of both.

[Charley Lillard]

Jim and Dave are now required to bring cars to next years reunion or else......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[fuzzbuster]

I am going to help everyone out with this discussion of Mark's Nova and "THE GREAT HURST WHEEL DEBATE". (LOL, LOL)First, seeing as how this orange Deuce has had several owners over its life, as soon as Mark got the car home, he wanted to personalize it to his taste, and set the car apart from others. Knowing that this is a "HURST PREPARED" Deuce, I noted, that it would be a great new look for the car, if it had "HURST MAGS" on it. Take the "Hurst Mags", and add "skinnys" on the front and "fatties" on the back, giving the car a sweet "almost Day 2" look. Through Mark and our connections, we were able to track down a set of ORIGINAL 14x6 mags, that would fit the car. The mags were on a 1965 GTO convertible, the owner of the GTO was dying from cancer and sold the GTO, keeping the mags. The mags are original, NOT REPO (ORIGINAL CENTER CAPS AND TRIM RINGS) as there is a tremendous difference from originals and repos. We were able to strike a deal and the wheels were bought. The owner of the mags gave Mark ALL the paperwork concerning the wheels. He said he bought the wheels back in the late 1970's early 1980's from a "wheel guy". He had the complete instruction manual, warranty card, maintenance paperwork, etc. Not only was it great to be able to buy the mags, but how often do you get paperwork and documentation with them. Also the guy gave me the original "Hurst Equipped" badge. When you bought a BRAND NEW set of Hurst Mags, they included this emblem. If you noticed the car at the reunion, Mark had a lot of the paperwork on display, with the car. Mark's Nova already had a "Hurst Equipped" emblem on the deck lid, so it was neat how everything went together. I then cleaned them up and we mounted them on the Nova for the reunion. Mark is NOT trying to say that the wheels came on the car from Hurst, nor is he trying to say that "Hurst prepared" Novas had these wheels or "Hurst Equipped" emblems, on them from Hurst. All he is trying to do is personalize the car for himself and give the car a "Period correct" look. We were anxious to see what the "Nova Guys" thought about the new look, (we weren't trying to make anyone mad). When we pulled the car out of the trailer and Marlin came over with his paperwork pertaining to the car, Marlin said that he had pictures of this car from 1971, with WHAT APPEARED TO BE- HURST MAGS. (I would like to thank Marlin and his expertise on this car, Mark and I learned a lot.) The car in the 1971 picture had "skinny" Polyglas with mags on the front and and "fatty" Polyglas on the back. We did not know this, prior to this time. As Mark is still waiting on the rest of the paperwork for the car. Just the possibility that the car "COULD OF HAD" Hurst Mags on it in 1971, and now they are back on it again, (thanks to Marlin's incite) was awesome to know. It also appeared from the pictures that Marlin had, that the Nova was "Day 2" as soon as the original owner got it home. He painted the underside white (or what appear to be white), junked the original wheels and tires and in favor of mags. We know the car was sold new from "Marv Minimun" Chevrolet in Warren, Ohio. We also know that the original owner lives (and possibly still lives) in Cortland, Ohio. Cortland is about 25 minutes directly South from us. What I am in the process of doing is; tracking down the original owner, and ask him about the car (mainly type of mags he added, and what the car was used for. I.E. street racing and/ or drag racing). Like I said before, Mark is still waiting for the rest of the paperwork to come, if Marlin or Balc(-spelling) has the original owner's name, that would be a great start and save a lot of time on my part. Then maybe I could find out for sure, all the answers to our questions. Thank you for all your inquiries about the car, and many thanks to Marlin. The "Hurst Mags" are going to stay, irreguardless if the original owner states it had something else. They finish the car-and make it Marks' (even the Motion is jealous). Thanks again to everyone!!! Hope all the Pontiac guys don't get mad that the sacred "Hurst Mags" are on a Chevy-LOL!!!
-Later http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[camarojoe]

Just for the record, Its actually Marve Minneman Chevrolet, 4695 Mahoning Ave in Youngstown OH.

[GTO_DON]

Also for the record,the wheels did not come with a hurst equipped emblem. they came with a hurst hustler decal http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I hope there was no confusion on this 'debate', as at no time did anyone say that the deuces came with Hurst wheels or the 'equipped' emblem. This particular car just had a similar wheel on it in '71, and I really thought it was cool that Mark showed up with Hurst wheels on it at SCR7! I hope the pics show up, either Belk,Dominic, Kevin or Patrick should have them since that's the chain of ownership.

The person you need to talk to is the Horner family, I'll send you a PM with the details when I get a chance to dig them out. They are really nice people, and I'm sure will get some more pics for ya if the others can't be located.

[Schonyenko2]

I think the confusion was that Hurst did something different on the 50 deuces that they finished out for Don. It doesn't appear that, that was the case. I think that it's cool that Mark day2ed it this way. Belk chased Hurst wheels for it for a long time. Just never found any priced reasonable.
I do know that car left MM new with headers on it. The original owner had them put on before he picked it up. They are now on my red Peck deuce. Schonye

[Mr70]

I like your Car Ken.
No need to call it names.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[JoeC]

The old Canonsburg Yenko Dealership was too small even to operate as a normal Chevy Dealership so must have been very tight with additional work such as Don building/maintaining his Corvette race cars, and processing the Supercars. Don was also working on marketing a rear engine car called a "Scropio" in his dealer network in the late 60s.
In the new Yenko Dealership radio announcement, Donna Mae commented how they were tripping over each at the Canonsburg Yenko Dealership and the new larger RT19 Yenko Dealership was a welcome improvement in size.
I believe Yenko had to offload some of the car building labor just because it could not all be done at the Canonsburg Dealership due to lack of room and labor hours.

[camarojoe]

While Yenko's lot at Canonsburg was indeed small, its important to remember that they DID have a rather large holding lot down the road on Strabine Street. The now famous "toxic waste" area.

[Paul_S]

Scorpio?.... Hank Scorpio?

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[fuzzbuster]

Seeing as how I live in Ohio and you live in Pa., I think I would/should know where Youngstown and Warren are and what the difference is. For us "OHIOIANS", it is considered the same, general area (I guess I'll have to be more specific, for out-of-towners). Mahoning Ave is only 40-50 miles directly south of where I live, went to college there as well-Y.S.U. Don't get mad, just replying to your reply!!!LOL!!! Have you ever been to Kearsarge(-spelling) Pa., I mean Erie, I mean Milcreek Mall???- Just joking!!!
-Later http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[fuzzbuster]

So what your saying is, that when you bought a brand new set of Hurst mags, in 1967 or 1968 (anywhere in that era) from Taylor Pontiac, Geneva Ohio- you didn't get a "Hurst Equipped" emblem with them? I would beg to differ on this one. Or, are you saying "Hurst Wheels" did not come with that emblem- NEVER. (I swear, I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica.) I know the "Hurst Hustler" decal you are talking about- real chincy looking, saw it on the back of a '65-15K original at the POCI Nats., but guess what-NO HURST WHEELS, NEVER HAD 'EM, (JUST A FLOOR SHIFT). Maybe Pa. Dealerships would not give you one-but I bet if "we" cried long enough, "we" could have got one, from the service manager!!! LOL- Because those dang mags cost sooooo much- "we" should get something with them!!!LOL I know, I would want one.
-Later http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[fuzzbuster]

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Also for the record,the wheels did not come with a hurst equipped emblem. they came with a hurst hustler decal http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Mark's Nova deserves these mags, probably better than any GTO on the planet. Due to the fact that the Nova, actually had some part of the assembly process done at Hurst. No GTO that I'm aware of was ever built or finished "AT" Hurst. Do you have a set on your "JUDGE"? -Or do you want to buy Mark's- sorry not for sale. "THE JUDGE CAN BE BOUGHT", but the mags can't!!! LOL Don't get mad, just having some fun! The JUDGE says, "NO BAIL"!!! Ram Air IV is still bad a$$, 370hp, sweeeeeeet!!!
-Later http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[fuzzbuster]

[ QUOTE ]

The person you need to talk to is the Horner family, I'll send you a PM with the details when I get a chance to dig them out. They are really nice people, and I'm sure will get some more pics for ya if the others can't be located.

[/ QUOTE ]

Looking forward to the info. Can't wait, it'll make a nice Sunday road trip. Thanks....again for everything!
-Later http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[GTO_DON]

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Also for the record,the wheels did not come with a hurst equipped emblem. they came with a hurst hustler decal http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Mark's Nova deserves these mags, probably better than any GTO on the planet. Due to the fact that the Nova, actually had some part of the assembly process done at Hurst. No GTO that I'm aware of was ever built or finished "AT" Hurst. Do you have a set on your "JUDGE"? -Or do you want to buy Mark's- sorry not for sale. "THE JUDGE CAN BE BOUGHT", but the mags can't!!! LOL Don't get mad, just having some fun! The JUDGE says, "NO BAIL"!!! Ram Air IV is still bad a$$, 370hp, sweeeeeeet!!!
-Later http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[/ QUOTE ] Greg, let me get this right, while Marks car has nothing to do with this,[Its a beautiful car] your saying its more deserving to have the hurst mags than any other gto??? What about the 65 hurst riverside pace car?? the 65 tiger gold hurst givaway car? any royal bobcat cars?,64 test car? BIll shultz ra v car?? what are you saying? Id rather se them on a true hurst car if anything. 70-72 ssj's,68-69 hurst olds even the swinger bee! Hell lets throw in the 70 1/2 Z28 sunroof car. If you read the hurst heritage book, theres no mention about anything to do with the deuces. And they show you some crazy stuff hurst was involved with. As for what your saying about the wheels, i never heard of any dealer selling them. you bought them at speed shops and other auto stores. and ive had a couple of new sets in boxes [later] and the early ones in the can and there was no emblem in with them! Did you know that emblem wasn't even made till after they stopped producing and selling the wheels? This is getting out of hand now. I dont know why everybody is blowing this hurst thing out of control. AND ITS NOT BECAUSE US PONTIAC GUYS ARE UPSET OVER OUR SACRED HURST WHEELS! Ive had hurst wheels on every car i own and yes they are on my judge!!!!!!!!!! Dont get upset! Im just having fun with this subject. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

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AND ITS NOT BECAUSE US PONTIAC GUYS ARE UPSET OVER OUR SACRED HURST WHEELS!

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey...they weren't Pontiac wheels either...Pretty sure there are Hurst ads showing them on a Chevelle !!

[GTO_DON]

Fuzzbuster was the one who said "hope all you pontiac guys arent mad that your sacred hurst wheels are on a chevy" Bob. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif Can we talk about torque thrust now??

[Belair62]

No...lets keep talking about crappy Pontiacs !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

What kind of wheels were on the giveaway Nova ad, you know, the one with the little slot machine picture? These wheels can go on any car!

[GTO_DON]

You know how to hurt a guy Bob. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Belair62]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif figured that would wake you up Don !!

[Salvatore]

JMO... I know that Don has followed Hurst and Hurst products for many, many years. Although non of us are all knowing I believe he has done a lot of research on Hurst and their aftermarket products. Just going to his shop reveals to me he has a variety of rare items and paperwork. I feel we can all learn from these threads and will help identify these products when this subject comes up again on other rare cars like Marks. Sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[bkhpah]

The car has a cool set of Hurst wheels, whats the big deal? When Tommy K bought his red Deuce it was from Hurst and I told him that day we needed to get a set of Hurst wheels just because we wanted to see something different than Atlas style wheels of every car. He never did and Mark has. I think they are a very cool choice, period. I would never change them out.IMO...BKH http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Salvatore]

The whole car looks great to me. I don't think that was the question. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif Sam

[Belair62]

They look great on most anything......especially cool on 65 GTO ragtops too...

[mhassett]

I have always Loved the HURST Wheels on GTO'S. When I bought the NOVA I really didn't know much about YENKO NOVA'S, when I saw the Hurst Badge on the back, Marlin told me that the last (50) cars were converted by Hurst for YENKO. I wanted to Personalize the car and the Hurst Wheels were available to me. I thought I would put them on and see what they look like. I talked to Dave Belk last night who bought the car from the original owner and said it left the Dealership with Keystone Mags and Headers. I am also Very fortunate to have the Name and Phone Number of the Original Owner and best of all he is Only about 30 miles from me.
Mark http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[bkhpah]

Dealer installed headers for the strip at SCR8...!BKH http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The 'original owners family member' to be exact! I remember busting on him at vette fest for that comment. I know he recalls them as Keystones, but they still look like Hurst wheels to me - either way, leave those wheels on http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Whose gonna put Strippers or Spyders on a deuce?

[hvychev]

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Whose gonna put Strippers or Spyders on a deuce?

[/ QUOTE ]

Both would suck! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Shonye has the right idea with Cragers on his! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I should be the guy to modernize the look of slots on a Deuce cause they look cool! (another Schonye inovation)

Hey Ken send me that vintage pic again with your Deuce and the Fentons on it and ill post it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[bkhpah]

Why not some dubs with spinners Frank. Thats cutting edge and nobodys done that yet..BKH http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif