1969 Chevelle

[AlsV8vair]

Hi guys.

I have posted this on a couple of other supercar boards .

Back in the 80's my brother had a friend with a 69 Chevelle . all our friends talked about it and the big thing was it was a factory 427/ 425 4speed car . I was in my teens and the car was like a god to me. not to bore you.

here is a photo of the car it was in Toronto , WILLOWDALE area. I have done some basic searching on and off but have come up with nothing yet.
He ran the car at Cayuga regularly, had it in one of the Motion car shows in the mid eighties. and had it at the Car Craft street machine nationals that same time.
Any suggestions as to how to do a search for the car or Pete who was the owner. any help would be great.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Aircooled/PetesChevelle1.jpg

[Postsedan]

Looks like Alberts COPO with Cragars and a roll bar...nice pic. Was it Fathom Green...I can`t tell from the picture.

Dan.

[COPO PETE]

Wow, even has a 427 plate way back then. Yes, what colour was it originally, and do you know where it was originally sold????
Peter

[Mr70]

Where exactly is innisfil Ontario Canada?
This Chevelle resembles one I remember reading about in an old NCOA issue..is it fathom green? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[AlsV8vair]

Thaks for your replys.

This is not Alberts car , I saw his on Detroithosrepower and thought it was this car but after talking to him he said his car had not come out of Canada. yes it is Fathom green. my friend had it re-pinted back them , I do not remember if that was the original color.

That plate was custom PWC, his initials 427 motor obviously. I don't know where it was sold from but he did get it from the original owner I remember .
All I have on the car is the 5 photos and what I remember of it and what our friend remember. plus the old plate as you can see. and somewhere I have the address where he used to live back then.

Innisfil Ontario is about 1 hour north of Toronto and 15 minutes south of Barrie.
how old an issue was the do you remember.

If you guys could maybe show that photo around I would appreciate it greatly.I can put up the other photos and fill in a few more items.

thanks for your time

[Alss]

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Thaks for your replys.

This is not Alberts car , I saw his on Detroithosrepower and thought it was this car but after talking to him he said his car had not come out of Canada.


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AL, welcome to SCR.... Darn, got ratted out for being on the "other" site..well I am on alot of sites and pay no attention to all the banter that goes on amongst them.
This is a cool car If I do say so myself http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif WOuld be great if it could be found and resurrected.

ALbert

[AlsV8vair]

The car had kept the original motor in it for some time. I remember the first time he opened the hood , that chrome air cleaner and valve covers aluminum intake, he added headers. it spoke to me , you know what I mean.

To this day that car has left a lasting impression on me.

in the late 80's the car was running a 454 with an automatic . at the time he was keeping all that he removed from the car.
the car had wood wheel, bucket seats, SS hood, rear mount antenna. I don,t remember much more , I wish back then in my early teens vin numbers and other items were a concern.all I new then was it went like hell and I wanted it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Aircooled/PetesChevelle2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Aircooled/PetesChevelle4-1.jpg

thanks again

[AlsV8vair]

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Thaks for your replys.

This is not Alberts car , I saw his on Detroithosrepower and thought it was this car but after talking to him he said his car had not come out of Canada.


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AL, welcome to SCR.... Darn, got ratted out for being on the "other" site..well I am on alot of sites and pay no attention to all the banter that goes on amongst them.
This is a cool car If I do say so myself http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif WOuld be great if it could be found and resurrected.

ALbert

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Oops sorry.

Hey we meet again, I am going to a few places looking for help. as I said before I do not know for sure if it was a COPO but need to find out . I would like to find Pete just to see him. he was pretty cool to let a kid hang around and http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif at his car. something I will always remember.

My wife knows a couple of retired cops and we are going to see if they can help track it in any way.

thanks

[MosportGreen66]

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Aircooled/PetesChevelle2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Aircooled/PetesChevelle4-1.jpg

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that speaks to me... thanks for sharing...
Day-2... cragars... the stance... wow!

-Dan

[AlsV8vair]

These are the last two I have , this first one the photo is messed up a little and the second is the 454 in place of the 427. a camera was something I wish I had more often then, it was a 20 minute bike ride to Pete's house for me.but I'd do it all again.
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Aircooled/PetesChevelle5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Aircooled/PetesChevelle3.jpg

[L78M22Rag]

Love those vintage photos!!!

Why oh why couldn't someone just happen to post some vintage photos of my car like that... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Did anyone happen to hang out with a guy that had a white COPO Chevelle with red guts and a black vinyl top???

[Keith Tedford]

Back in the '80s, very few even knew what a COPO Chevelle was. At the Barrie Flea market, I had people give me the "Yeah right" look when talking about having a COPO Chevelle. I doubt that people were building COPO clones in that era. Sounds like a very interesting car to me.

[AlsV8vair]

Just an update.

I managed to get the current address of my friend http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif so that's the first good news I have had yet. I will contact him and hope for the best . I hope his reaction is good.

I will let ya no what happens

[ssl78]

Isnt the rear mount antena supposed to be on the other side or did they come both ways

[Keith Tedford]

When I put a radio in our Chevelle, I put the antenna on the driver's side. Village idiots had a tendency to break off aerials as they walked down the street. I reasoned that they might just be too lazy to walk around the car. Worked for me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[AlsV8vair]

I don't know if the antenna is on the correct side, it was always on that side. like that when he got the car from what I remember. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

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[AlsV8vair]

Another update , but nothing good, I have placed two calls , but none returned . I will try one more time and hope for the best.

thanks to you all here for taking the time and answering my posts.

Al http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[MrMotion]

This car was a factory Copo 427/425hp car bought new from Belmont Chev/Olds by a buddy of mine. He would come to HARVEYS at Jane and the 401 during the week and park in the third slot on the north side. This car was unique as it had no SS markings or stripes. The cragars were put on when new and Hooker Headers. This car was never raced or abused and The word "COPO" was never used. This car was very fast and a true "SLEEPER" for its time. Vince the original owner worked for a meat packing company. Car was sold around '75-'77 to a kid named Joe that lived near the Famous HARVEYS.

[MrMotion]

Here is a CRUISERS Badge from the Musclecar Era

[AlsV8vair]

That is good to here, when I new the car the term "COPO" was not used as well. back then I did not know anything about it. I was aware of Yenko Chevelles but did not know exactly what that meant. for the most part I do now.

Obviously I will not know for sure until I catch up with our friend. it sucks not knowing http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif
thanks again for your time.

[Charles]

Mr Motion thanks for the details about the green COPO Chevelle from Belmont Chev! Do you remember another Chevy: a white Rat Motor 1968 Camaro that the 'Turk' had at Harveys? Thanks
Charles

[427TJ]

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Cragars and big meats = perfection.

[Rick Cell]

I rememeber Turks white Camaro. He drove it with no hood because of the tunnel ram. What ever happened to Turk?

[P.J.]

yes I probably saw the car every night at Harvys I remember Turk though. I was also there the night the white 67 Camaro
302 came in 4 speed 456 gears,The first one in Torotno I beleive.. Shook the windows when it was idleing beside the building.The guys name was Ron I beleive
He gave me a ride in the car up the 400 shifted the car at 7800 rpm in all 4 gears csared the S--- out of me.WOW. The car did 1260s in the quarter with tires and headers.
The fastest car at the time was not a chevelle it was a 67
Boeumount was owned by a JIM ????.Dark green No one knew what he did to the motor to so fast.Man that brings back lots of great memories.
PJ
PJ

[3macs1]

Just as a possible lead. There is a car very similiar to this 69 less the wheels etc in New Brunswick.Same color in fact.I don't know the owner but know the mechanic very well that overhauled the 427 and 4spd for it I am going to say about 5 years ago but it could be more. It was also a 454 auto prior to the change out and I have heard him quote the car was a original COPO. I can get more info possibly if interested. Let me know Thanks Joe

[AlsV8vair]

Yes I am definitely interested in more information . I appreciate your time. I will be in New Brunswick the first week in May to visit my parents, but will only be there for a few days. what ever you can find out will be great http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

thanks

[3macs1]

Hi Al:
I sent you a PM. tks Joe

[3macs1]

Hi Al:
Have not heard from you.Did you get my PM with the owners name and location???

[AlsV8vair]

Well after years of on and off searching. I have a lead to this car. The brother of the owner.

The person I chatted with believes Pete still has this car.
Weather he does or not I hope to determine what the car was/is.

Funny how things happen. Right place. Right time

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Good stuff.

Keep us in the loop.

Ryan

[300deluxeL79]

good luck al <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
maybe a radio delete car with that antenna stuck on the LR.

[AlsV8vair]

Time will tell one step at a time. I will keep trying this week to get in touch with Pete or his brother.
Find out IF he still has the car. Some history on it. If it was a COPO or not

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Fingers crossed

Ryan

[Postsedan]

Al,

GREAT TALKING WITH YOU. COPO or Not, a very cool Chevelle. BEST OF LUCK.

Dan

[AlsV8vair]

Like wise Dan. I appreciate your help and input.

Al

[quik9r]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: P.J.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes I probably saw the car every night at Harvys I remember Turk though. I was also there the night the white 67 Camaro
302 came in 4 speed 456 gears,The first one in Torotno I beleive.. Shook the windows when it was idleing beside the building.The guys name was Ron I beleive
He gave me a ride in the car up the 400 shifted the car at 7800 rpm in all 4 gears csared the S--- out of me.WOW. The car did 1260s in the quarter with tires and headers.
The fastest car at the time was not a chevelle it was a 67
Boeumount was owned by a JIM ????.Dark green No one knew what he did to the motor to so fast.Man that brings back lots of great memories.
PJ
PJ </div></div>

That dark green 67 Beaumont was from Streetsville, Ont I believe, L88 with lots of work.

Quik9r

[Stefano]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Aircooled/PetesChevelle4-1.jpg </div></div>

Cragars and big meats = perfection. </div></div>

Looks like the license plate has 427.

[AlsV8vair]

Yes. Pete had personalized plates on the car. PWC 427

[P.J.]

Jim owned the car ,tall lanky guy. could shift that killer boumont.
Saw him race all over the place especially on Weston rd just in front of the 400 drive in(finger bowl)
Never been beat that I know of.
He had 396 emblems on the car.
Does anyone know if Jim is still around, nice guy, yes he was from Streetsville.
PJ

[427strato]

Here is a couple of pictures of my 69 COPO that I bought from B&amp;A Chevrolet in September 1969. I can remember like it was yesterday sitting at the intersection of Bay St. and whatever, at the jog just south of the City Hall and looking down at the speedometer and there were 6 miles on it at 12 noon the day I picked it up.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-5542-20768-69_copo_427_425hrs.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-5542-20769-69_copo_427.jpg
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I'm not good at this so these may not show but I tried Doug.

[mockingbird812]

Wow Doug, what. Steed you had there. What happened to it?

[AlsV8vair]

Wow. Those are great photos Doug. How long did you own it for.

Thank you for sharing those.

[Xplantdad]

Very cool pics!

[Woj]

Excellent photos. I really like the white stripe tires. Very nice.

Phil Woj. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Postsedan]

Hi Doug,

Was your COPO well optioned - I see it had Bucket Seats.

Could this be Vic D'Agostino's 1969 COPO Chevelle. Vic restored in in 2004 and SOLD it in 2006.

http://www.yenko.net/features/2004/September2004.htm

Dan

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Woj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Excellent photos. I really like the white stripe tires. Very nice.

Phil Woj. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </div></div>

Me too!!!

I will have a 69 with thin white walls one day!!

Ryan

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi Doug,

Was your COPO well optioned - I see it had Bucket Seats.

Could this be Vic D'Agostino's 1969 COPO Chevelle. Vic restored in in 2004 and SOLD it in 2006.

http://www.yenko.net/features/2004/September2004.htm

Dan </div></div>

That is a sexy beast!!

Ryan

[camaromb]

Doug's Copo Chevelle has not turned up as far as I know, B397120.

[P.J.]

Hey Kevin
I was there every night at Harveys, saw Jim race many times. I was President of Weston Hi performance racing club At that time.
I had the only 1966 yellow chevelle SS at harveys.

Jims Killer car was never beat while I was there
No one knew at harveys he had an L88.
Nice guy how did you know he had an L88 car
Peter

[427strato]

Hi guys. Unfortunately those pictures were taken when it was only a couple of months old. I took that blue bow tie emblem off of the grill and its still in the top of my tool box today along with the B&amp;A Chevrolet sign off of the back. I just bought another B&amp;A Chev sign at a swap meet a couple of weeks ago; first one I have seen come up for sale and it was for sentimental reasons only. I have the original bill of sale, transport copy and broadcast sheet for that car; well optioned?--not really. It was a 427-425, M22, 4:10s, bucket seats, SS Wheels and a radio, pretty standard for the day. It drove like gangbusters though-12.60 et. first day out with slicks and headers. Doug.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427strato</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi guys. Unfortunately those pictures were taken when it was only a couple of months old. I took that blue bow tie emblem off of the grill and its still in the top of my tool box today along with the B&amp;A Chevrolet sign off of the back. I just bought another B&amp;A Chev sign at a swap meet a couple of weeks ago; first one I have seen come up for sale and it was for sentimental reasons only. I have the original bill of sale, transport copy and broadcast sheet for that car; well optioned?--not really. It was a 427-425, M22, 4:10s, bucket seats, SS Wheels and a radio, pretty standard for the day. It drove like gangbusters though-12.60 et. first day out with slicks and headers. Doug. </div></div>

Where is it now?

Ryan

[EZ Nova]

Doug, nice hearing from you again, it's been years lol.

I remember the stories of this COPO Chevelle as well as some about Edgar (Spelling the dutch name right, GOOD LUCK) Vandertuin's COPO 427 Nova???? I worked with Ed around '82 when I bought my Black GTX convertible. We talked cars and he and others were claiming that his GREEN '69 Nova was another COPO like your Chevelle? I recall Ed saying that HIS and yours were the only 2 FACTORY installed 427 cars in town. Gordy's '69 Nova, that I know own, was &quot;supposed&quot; to be a 427 car too, but we knew better about that one YEARS ago when Gordy still owned it, it IS a SS396 Nova. You knew all the stories on this stuff, so what was your take on Eddie's Nova?

John

[427strato]

My 69 was raced for a few years by the fellow I sold it to and then he pulled the engine and stuck it in a 69 Nova. Another friend of mine was in the car one night when he supposedly pulled the wheels in front of MacDonald's on King George Rd. I wonder if the engine is still in Brantford; maybe in a 69 Nova?

The only other COPO around this area at that time was another 69 Chevelle, yellow, that sold out of Central Chev. in London. He lived in Mt. Pleasant at the time but we didn't know each other at the time however we are now good friends. The last time I saw his car a gentleman that owned the Sunoco station in Waterdown owned it and he has sold it since.

The same guy I sold the 69 Chevelle to, who I have known for many years, also was the subject of another kind of neat story. A friend that I still hang aroung with in London owned a 67 Vette, 427-435 hrs car, that was drag raced and sponsored by Forbes Bros. back in 67 and 68. When he got it the car had the wrong engine in it, a real no no even then. He asked me if I thought I could find the original engine. Sure enough the guy that I sold the Chevelle to had the engine in his Blazer and was ploughing snow with it. My friend eventually bought the motor from him and it was reunited with the car. Unfortunately the 67 we hear is in Japan now. Doug.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Great stories!!

I would love to meet one day and chat Muscle Cars....I am very confident we will find something to talk about:-)

Ryan

PM, or call when you have time

[EZ Nova]

Doug, so I wonder if Edgar's Rally Green '69 Nova SS was your old engine? It was a 427-425Hp engine I recall. But as I found out, you never know till you take them apart yourself! I know when we talked about the car YEARS ago, like 30 years, he was telling me he put a 3 piece quarter panel on the car and the car went to Motion car show. He won &quot;something&quot; with it. I know for a fact that the &quot;rumored 427&quot; in my Nova was in fact a standard bore 402! So that was a hell of a 402 the way it ran in the '69 Nova when Gordy had it.

Also remember street racing in Toronto with Proctor's Vette. Raced a blue '69 COPO Camaro and beat it pretty good. But then we were getting called out by Serge Longo and his Challenger. We wanted NOTHING to do with him and that car!!!

[BARRY]

a friend of mine Tom Hurst owed a blue copo camaro auto always talked about racing at harveys and my gold copo camaro and a 454 silver chevelle

[EZ Nova]

It's been brought to my attention that I have made a mistake! The car I was speaking of is/was FATHOM green, not &quot;RALLYE&quot; green.

[Furback]

A guy by the name of Larry Legere in Halifax NS supposedly has a 1969 COPO Chevelle. Fathom Green or Black not sure its has been years since I saw it. I believe he found it in PEI. I was told the seller on PEI did not know what it was.

[AlsV8vair]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Furback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A guy by the name of Larry Legere in Halifax NS supposedly has a 1969 COPO Chevelle. Fathom Green or Black not sure its has been years since I saw it. I believe he found it in PEI. I was told the seller on PEI did not know what it was. </div></div>

I was once told of a possible COPO down east but I believe it was New Brunswick. It would be interesting to have more info on it. The 69 COPO Chevelle I am chasing is definitely green.

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[Furback]

I checked into this Chevelle. It is Dusk Blue or Fathom Blue. I am surprised that someone here does not know about it. The only COPO 69 Chevelle sold in eastern Canada. A friend of mine ran the VIN at GM Canada and it is verified COPO 69 Chevelle. It has the original engine and M22. Sold new in PEI.

[hnjr]

Alberta
Have been looking for a 69 big block coupe.
Have seen a few but still looking
Is yours for sale?
hnjr

[the427king]

New Brunswick
Newfoundland and Labrador
Nova Scotia
Ontario
Prince Edward Island
Quebec
Which of the above are you considering/not considering eastern canada???

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Furback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I checked into this Chevelle. It is Dusk Blue or Fathom Blue. I am surprised that someone here does not know about it. The only COPO 69 Chevelle sold in eastern Canada. A friend of mine ran the VIN at GM Canada and it is verified COPO 69 Chevelle. It has the original engine and M22. Sold new in PEI.
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What car are you referring to here? Legere's? I was just told by an Islander that the COPO Chevelle associated with that province was wadded up in the 70s, but the tags &quot;lived on&quot;....

[Furback]

Legere has the car with the documentation. And also the matching numbers engine and M22. The car is in REAL nice condition. Apparently there is a guy in Ontario that offered a friggin camp on a lake for it or whatever Legere wanted for the car. Like, name your price. An Ontario company purchased what was left of a 1970 Camaro SS L78 from here and all they took was the engine, trans, rearend and tags, the rest went to the scrapyard. The car was so bad I doubt the leftovers weighed 300lbs. LOL.

[Furback]

To me, Eastern Canada is all provinces you mentioned 427King except Ontario. To some people it does not include Quebec. I was told that GM Vintage vehicles services stated that this COPO Chevelle was the only one sold in Eastern Canada. I would not know any different. I just happen to have seen the car and met the guy and one of my longterm friends is the one who ran the vin at vintage vehicle services and it came back COPO. There were a lot of re bodies done over the last 40 years I suppose. And a lot of fakes created as well. Harder to do with a COPO though, as I think better track was made of the lower numbers of them. I am a Nova guy. Would love to have a nice 69 Chevelle though, my favorite year of Chevelle. If I had saved all the NOS 69 Chevelle stuff I had over the years I could build a nice car. LOL.

[camaromb]

The blue Copo Chevelle sold in Nova Scotia would be B412667, Lemans Blue M22. It is the latest Canadian shipped Copo Chevelle I have on the list.

[EZ Nova]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BARRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a friend of mine Tom Hurst owed a blue copo camaro auto always talked about racing at harveys and my gold copo camaro and a 454 silver chevelle </div></div>

WE street-raced a Blue '69 COPO Camaro with a friends '73 454 Vette. Weston Finch timelines in early to mid 90's, I wonder if it was the same. We raced twice that night, beat the COPO and another Chevelle I recall, THEN the hitters came calling. Next was either Serge's Challenger or the &quot;Joe Cool&quot; '69 Camaro from Comp Auto. Needless to say, we declined both offers. LOL

[neresto]

It appears that Dougs ( 427strato) COPO that he owned when new has been listed on EBay today in British Columbia ! ebay ad (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Chevelle-1969-chevelle-copo-427-425-hp-gm-of-canada-m-22-numbers-matching-/111618359005?forcerrptr=true&amp;hash=item19fcf8fedd&amp;i tem=111618359005&amp;pt=US_Cars_Trucks)

[EZ Nova]

I believe Dougs car was written off some time ago?

&quot;Unfortunately &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; I traced my COPO at the same time as the Stratochief and found the last owner. He advised he had totalled it two years before and gave me the name of the wrecking yard it went to. I went to the yard and the owner advised me he had purchased it six months earlier and crushed everything they had. This was the car I first tried to find and the second, being the Stratochief, took me about seven years to repurchase.&quot;

That was from Doug to another member of a different site back in 2008.

[EZ Nova]

Also, IF this does turn out to be Dougs old COPO, funny that Doug stated above that he recalls the 427 being pulled and put in a '69 Nova from our town! And he was wondering if that car still had it??????

[neresto]

Maybe Doug will chime in and confirm if this vin B397120 is a match. If not this one is a twin to it, Fathom Green, wood wheel, M22 ,white stripe tires and buckets. Only pre resto photos are of a shell, no frame or front end( possibly wrecked)?

[EZ Nova]

I have been in contact with Doug. Not my place to repeat what he has told me, GOOD OR BAD. Will reply the message and see if he will post.

[camaromb]

I find it interesting that the supposed Copo Chevelle on Ebay, B397120, which is supposed to be the car Doug bought new on Sept. 21, 1969, trading a '67 Corvette towards, has a body shown in the Ebay ad that has green body color sprayed over the floors where the plugs should be, with no evidence of caulk. It looks like someone went to great effort to make it look like a factory green body shell, with water stains/ pine needles in the floor areas, etc. That is also certainly the cleanest Ontario '69 Chevelle body I've ever seen!

The Copo Chevelle that Doug bought new, B397120 was known to have been sent to the junkyard tears ago. I talked to a Copo Chevelle owner who sent his Chevelle to the junkyard years ago, a Fathom green car. He didn't know it was a Copo, he called it a 396 car. I need to verify which Copo that was, it may be the same car.

Mark

[427strato]

Hi everyone. Its Doug, the original owner of copo 120.

I didn't think it was appropriate to comment before the end of the auction of what would appear to be my old Chevelle based on the questions asked on this forum.

The facts as I see it are as follows:

1) I purchased the car new from B&amp;A Chevrolet in September of 1969.
2) I attempted to trace the car by talking to various owners that I knew, or they knew, of the next guy, in the mid 80's because I wanted the car back, not that it was worth anything back then.
3) I eventually found that I could do a Ministry search of the car by way of a computer in the mid 80's, which I did and they gave you a printout of that search of which I still have the originals. I searched both of my original 427 cars that I bought new, a 69 Chevelle and a 68 Pontiac Strato Chief.
4) The first car I went after was the COPO car. I researched my search and contacted the last owner that was shown on my printout, actually through a couple of other people. He advised me he was in an accident two years before and that the car was written off by the insurance company at the time. He gave me the name of the wrecking yard and I went there the next day. I have the name of the yard. The owner of the yard advised me at that time that he had purchased the wrecking yard six months prior to that and that he had crushed everything in the yard. I specifically asked about the Chevelle and he replied, everything; he could have been lying.
5) I thought I remembered what colour the car was when he wrecked it but I hesitated to tell anyone after 27 years from talking to him. I research for a living so I decided to look for one of the persons I talked to 27 years ago. Sure enough, my memory hadn't faded as much as I thought and the colour was blue as I remembered.
6) I somewhat regress here as we need to discuss the original engine. I know the names of the individuals involved here however I do know the people and am still acquainted with the people I'm speaking about. I traded the Chevelle for a 68 427 Vette. That owner raced the car for a couple of years and then removed the motor and installed it in a 69 Nova. I know he pulled the wheels of the Nova in front of MacD..... one night with another friend of mine in the passenger seat. I am still acquainted with both of these people. Enough of the engine.
7)The search that I made of this car is interesting in itself. Who could have possibly had the paperwork other than myself?
I gave a copy of my documentation to two guys only, one in Waterdown, Ontario, which I have his name on an item sent to me by him.
The other was traded to a person in the Kitchener/Waterloo area for a 68 SD Beaumont SD air cleaner which I have his name in my book of contacts.
These are the ONLY two. Of most interest to me is when talking to the vendors at present, they knew of the two female owners, which only surface from my Ontario Ministry search; they have a copy of that?; I don't remember giving it to any of them but obviously I did.
7) The last owner on my search had asked me why the car had a lot of SS stuff on it but it wasn't an SS, hence he didn't know what the car was. It had a small block in it when he totalled it. When it went to the yard it was basically an old used car hence the insurance company wrote it off. The question remains, how could anyone know from a wrecked used car that it could be a collectable car of the future.
8) The restoration job on the vehicle in my mind is unbelievable; far beyond what I could do and I think I'm pretty good.
9) As an aside, I was on the Chevelle site earlier and the only thing they could get their heads around was why the tires were not correct; I have a hard time thinking that a group of people could possibly get sidetracked by that, ie 5 pages of a forum. ::##@^*##::, but they really, really liked the car.
10) Did one of the two guys I gave the information to find the original body after I had gone to that yard to look for it? MMMMMM? MAYBE?

11) I had a discussion with the restoration person, not necessarily the owner, and he tells me the actual owner of the car is in Alberta, not BC.

12) My 70 Laurentian 454 car went to Alberta a couple of years ago and I had wondered how he could get the title converted as the ownership was lost here in Ontario. He told me that all they need is a bill of sale in Alberta. Ownership of the Chevelle appears to be from Alberta, not BC or Ontario. Is this how it works there?
13) Certainly the car can be absolutely correct but its up to the individual purchasing it to do his due diligence in ascertaining the correctness of the car for sale. Its not up to me to say one way or the other.

14) By the way, give me 30 seconds with that car and I will tell you if its correct. You have to wonder how I would know that, right; trust me,its from the dumbest photograph which I have never posted because I thought it was so uninteresting, but, I can. Doug.

[Charley Lillard]

Great post Strato

[iluv69s]

Cool stuff... I love this sight for all the inside..been there done that info. !!!

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[EZ Nova]

Well seems the reserve was NOR met???? Seen the other COPO Blue Chevelle did sell for 140,000. Wonder IF this owner will let it go, I think I would!!!!!

[monteman1969]

Hi, I’m the guy who restored Doug’s car. Soon after I bought the car a fellow from Alberta purchased it from me and I built the car for him. I have heard about this car for years out here in B.C. Everyone out here has. It has had about 4 owners all in the B.C. Someone would have to pull the records from ICBC (Insurance Corporation of B.C.) To verify the names and dates of these owners. The car has been out here since the 80’s. When I got it, it did have a previous attempt at a restoration none of the work was good enough for me. Doug’s paper work, a copy of the original bill of sale, a copy of the broadcast sheet, a copy of the Ontario owner history and a copy of the original delivery paperwork was included. Also what was included was all the stories of how the car was in a minor accident and ended up at an auto wrecker. When I bought the car it came with the engine, transmission and rear end. I had them all rebuilt and gone through. Out here in B.C. the insurance agency is run by the government. It takes quite a bit to get an out of province vehicle in to your name. You need a vehicle inspection completed and if there are any deficiencies they all need to be fixed before being able to register the car in your name. You would also need to perform a statutory declaration as to how you bought the car if you didn’t have the last known title from Ontario. etc. So in saying that, the car with the mediocre restoration must have passed the inspection here in B.C. at the time of registration. The accident must have been fixed. When I bought the car I did a Carproof report on it showing the history in Ontario and then B.C. and that there were no liens on the car nor did it indicate that it had been written off in Ontario. This search doesn’t show the various owners just the city and date that it was transferred. To comment on the floors. This picture that I took was just before I took the car to the blasters. I always remove the floor pan plugs with a propane torch and remove the seam sealer that holds them in. I also always cut the quarter panel lips off so that the blasting media can clean all the inside areas. The lips were gone. The floors appear to me to be original GM as well as the trunk. There were some repairs to the floors completed previously and I cleaned them all up. Also to note both of the hidden vins are on the firewall. After having the body blasted there were absolutely no signs that these had been tampered with. On the ebay auction I posted one of the firewall hidden vins. I have no doubt that this is Doug’s old car. I had some great conversations with Doug and the owner is negotiating purchasing the original paper work for the car off of Doug.

Thanks Cameron.

[Charley Lillard]

Monteman's first post since joining in 2006 and a good one.

[Tracker1]

&quot;When I got it, it did have a previous attempt at a restoration none of the work was good enough for me. Doug’s paper work, a copy of the original bill of sale, a copy of the broadcast sheet, a copy of the Ontario owner history and a copy of the original delivery paperwork was included.&quot;

Photocopies?

[camaromb]

With the unique characteristics an original Copo Chevelle trim tag has, it would be nice to see the trim tag on this vehicle.

The transmission vin and assembly stamp have evidence of numbers visible underneath. It looks like it was smoothed and re-grained when it was re-stamped. Its getting harder to tell anymore on some of these cars.

[EZ Nova]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427strato</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi everyone. Its Doug, the original owner of copo 120.
6) I somewhat regress here as we need to discuss the original engine. I know the names of the individuals involved here however I do know the people and am still acquainted with the people I'm speaking about. I traded the Chevelle for a 68 427 Vette. That owner raced the car for a couple of years and then removed the motor and installed it in a 69 Nova. I know he pulled the wheels of the Nova in front of MacD..... one night with another friend of mine in the passenger seat. I am still acquainted with both of these people. Enough of the engine.</div></div>

This quote is TRUE! Doug and I are from the same town, and I have meet/known Doug for 20/25+ years, but we are not long lost buddies, but we do know each other. The passenger in the above quote IS a friend, and in fact currently helping me on my new house. I mentioned this post to him and he said, &quot;yep, I remember that well&quot;.

The reason I quoted this, like what camaromb posted above, is regards to restamping. Doug KNOWS that the original motor was pulled YEARS ago and the body went to a new owner. It had the SB in it when it went to the wreaking yard. IT WAS NOT KNOWN IN ONTARIO, where the car was in the wreaking yard, that this was a 427 BBc COPO!!!! Yet in BC, the motor and trans &quot;MAGICALLY&quot; are rejoined??????

The owner of the '69 Nova is still around. I wonder if he knew what ever happened to his Nova and therefore the original BORN WITH engine for COPO 120????

If this is a restamp, and the facts are leading us to believe this IS, then why not just disclose that fact. Added to what camaromb stated about the trans, it just puts up to many red flags and &quot;could&quot; possibly be some shady practices going on for this 6 figure car!!!!!

I'm not saying the current owner or even MONTEMAN did or knew about these issues, but the fact that the original owner KNEW the motor was LONG gone, pictures seem to indicate restamping on the trans as observed here, and that the floors of what people thought was a plain jane '69 Chevelle, look like show-room fresh, just seems a bit fishy to me, IMO.

The buyer should do very good due indigents before buying this car, IMO!

[Kurt S]

I sure would like to hear how the block found it's way back to the car, assuming it's still not in the Nova.
More importantly, is how did the body survive the junkyard. That should be researchable given the owner history.
I agree with MB on the trans.
136379B397120 to help with future searches.

Cowl tag
6
ST69 13637 BAL255452 BDY
TR 756 57 57 PNT
06DB1616 B M196587
8

[old5.0]

Green-to-blue must have been popular back then. I know of an FG 4 - speed COPO out of Van-T in Topeka that was &quot;cloned&quot; into an LB SS396 in the early 80's.

[monteman1969]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/03/full-3063-23574-cowl_tag_green_copo.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/03/full-3063-23577-transmission_stamp_copo.jpg

[monteman1969]

Hi here are the pictures of the cowl tag and transmission stamp. You will notice in the transmission stamp that the ghosting is the same number. Probably from when the holder was placed against the transmission. The owner asked me to post these pictures. Also to note that in the ebay ad it just states numbers matching. No one has claimed them to be born with. I had the pleasure to restore this car and I believe these parts to be original. But that's just my opinion.

[Furback]

I am no expert, but I have looked at one pile of Muncie stampings. The VIN stamp has what looks like an obliterated previous stamp under it. And the ghost stamp under the C in the Trans stamp looks more like an old 0 stamping than a C. The texture of that whole pad looks wrong, almost like it is a &quot;inny&quot; instead of an &quot;outy&quot; texture. Now, I could be all wrong, but I have a few M22 trannys , they are an investment for me and I would question this one for sure.

[Charley Lillard]

Looks like a bounce to me.

[njsteve]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like a bounce to me. </div></div>

I concur. The born-with block in my SD455 has at least three bounces of the same VIN stamp, maybe four, if your eyes are really good.

The existing casting surface and the way the surface flows into the stamped indentations look age-consistent versus a restamp where the indented areas would be &quot;sharper&quot; or cleaner.

[Furback]

How would you bounce a 0 into a C ? And what are the stampings between the characters of the VIN Stamp then? Just wondering.

[Alss]

My trans stamp for comparison:
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/03/full-526-23616-imgp2552.jpg

[427strato]

Hi guys. To me restamping a block isn't much different than if you have an incorrect alternator, carburetor or starter and you go out and get a proper date coded one; its still not the one that came with the car, however the car is still correct none the less. I guess the argument would be the engine is the heart of the car; whatever, it is what it is. I saw someone recently replace the full floor, from the cowl back, both quarters, trunk lid, both front fenders and a door; this isn't even much different that a re-body. That tag on the Chevelle sure looks good to me and the restoration job is impeccable. IF I had that kind of money I would buy that car back, of coarse, it doesn't hurt to have all of the original documentation for it, photographs from 1969 when it was new and the original emblem from the grille and dealer sign off of the back. I'm getting to old to even clone a car but if I was going to, that would be the one; I loved that car. Doug.

[EZ Nova]

Doug, as we discussed on the phone, and when you put it that way as stated above, I see your point. In the grand scheme of things in life, the re-stamp motor isn't life threatening. YES we replace plugs, wires ALTERNATOR &amp; CARBURETORS. So why not the major components like block, trans and rear end??? My only thoughts on that is MAYBE the car hasn't had as hard of a life, been pieced together from scrapes laying around a shop or is &quot;more original&quot;? Sorta like a nice survivor being possibly more desirable then a resto car. There only original once!

In a case where a high value car (such as this Chevelle) the re-stamp or &quot;matching numbers&quot; only leads to one thing, HIGHER SALE PRICE. I personally look at cars that are &quot;NUMBERS MATCHING&quot; as born with parts and therefore more original and subsequently worth or valued higher.

But the post from the restorer just rubbed me the wrong way. They have &quot;possibly&quot; mis-lead a buyer, yet LEGALLY covered there butts, when he posted:
&quot; Also to note that in the ebay ad it just states numbers matching. No one has claimed them to be born with.&quot;
That statement just seems misleading to me? I think numbers matching is born-with. But whatever!!!!

[Woj]

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[camaromb]

So how does a vin stamp bounce in aluminum produce the much heavier impression over the top of the very light partial characters? A first very light hit and then the stamp bounce produced the very heavy stamp impression? That makes no sense. So if it is two double stamps then, the guy stamping the Muncie after assembly barely hit it enough to get anything other than the partial C, and then fully stamped it properly? Then the next guy stamping the vin during assembly also barely stamped the vin, only enough to get 4 lower partial letter curves, and then had to fully stamp the vin properly? Both guys forgot how to stamp aluminum on the same trans, anything is possible I guess.

[njsteve]

Doesn't have to be a bounce. Could be a second assembly line attempt. Here's a photo of the born-with block in my SD Firebird. There are four separate VIN stamps of varying depths. (All the same VIN, thankfully).

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-1359-24040-block_vin.jpg

[PEI123]

Hello.

My father was the second owner of the blue copo, that was sold in PEI. The first owner was in the service, as Summerside had an air force base back then. Sometime after dad sold it, it was wrapped around a telephone post. Also, at some point after dad had it, perhaps related to the wreck, the 427 engine and manual transmission were transplanted into a local Camaro. Quite a few years ago, a gentleman in Halifax wanted to put the pieces back together. He had the car, but needed the engine and transmission, which were still in the same Camaro. He bought the drivetrain, and supposedly put it all back together. I have not seen the car, but assume that a good restoration was done, as I heard a small fortune was spent bringing her back to her former glory.

[Charley Lillard]

Thanks for signing up and posting that info.

[Clarkie]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: quik9r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: P.J.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes I probably saw the car every night at Harvys I remember Turk though. I was also there the night the white 67 Camaro
302 came in 4 speed 456 gears,The first one in Torotno I beleive.. Shook the windows when it was idleing beside the building.The guys name was Ron I beleive
He gave me a ride in the car up the 400 shifted the car at 7800 rpm in all 4 gears csared the S--- out of me.WOW. The car did 1260s in the quarter with tires and headers.
The fastest car at the time was not a chevelle it was a 67
Boeumount was owned by a JIM ????.Dark green No one knew what he did to the motor to so fast.Man that brings back lots of great memories.
PJ
PJ </div></div>

That dark green 67 Beaumont was from Streetsville, Ont I believe, L88 with lots of work.

Quik9r</div></div>

There was a Green 1967 Beaumont SD around our area called &quot;Poison Ivy.&quot; BBC, 4 speed, straight axle. Fastest car around here. He was a friend of my dad's. When I saw the description above, I automatically thought of this car. It was also my parents' wedding car!

[Postsedan]

Welcome Clarkie <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[MrMotion]

The Blue COPO Camaro is still alive and intact in storage!

[MarcDant]

Mr motion was the billys car you are reffering to. I knew him well.That was a belmont car if its the same car.

[AlsV8vair]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clarkie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: quik9r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: P.J.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes I probably saw the car every night at Harvys I remember Turk though. I was also there the night the white 67 Camaro
302 came in 4 speed 456 gears,The first one in Torotno I beleive.. Shook the windows when it was idleing beside the building.The guys name was Ron I beleive
He gave me a ride in the car up the 400 shifted the car at 7800 rpm in all 4 gears csared the S--- out of me.WOW. The car did 1260s in the quarter with tires and headers.
The fastest car at the time was not a chevelle it was a 67
Boeumount was owned by a JIM ????.Dark green No one knew what he did to the motor to so fast.Man that brings back lots of great memories.
PJ
PJ </div></div>

That dark green 67 Beaumont was from Streetsville, Ont I believe, L88 with lots of work.

Quik9r</div></div>

There was a Green 1967 Beaumont SD around our area called &quot;Poison Ivy.&quot; BBC, 4 speed, straight axle. Fastest car around here. He was a friend of my dad's. When I saw the description above, I automatically thought of this car. It was also my parents' wedding car! </div></div>

Welcome Clarkie.

Al

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[chevelleheart]

Man , I would love to see some pics of that !