1970 COPO 4 Sale! Real, Cert by Jerry M #Match!

[69LM1]

Do you want something rare, that none of your buddies will have in their collection?

Do you want something associated with SCCA history, and influenced the Camaro’s look for a longer period than any other option (Save maybe the cowl hood anyway)?

Then this MAY be the car for you!


A couple of the cars I have for sale are now on Ebay, including the 1970 Z28 COPO!

One of the two 70 Z’s have to go to make room for my original car from High School.

Super Rare opportunity to own a 1970 Z28 COPO!

1970 Blue Z28 COPO (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230131610711) Worth? I don't think ones been on the market recently........

1970 Green Z28 on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AME SE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230131625030&rd=1&rd=1) New! Lower reserve, BIN 35,000.00


Contact Rich at 504-913-3618 for more info, or email [email protected]



Also for sale, most of these cars have been certified by JerryM and ALL of them are numbers matching, born with:

69 LM1 / 3 Speed

69 LM1 Hugger Orange, Original POWER WINDOWS, fold down houndstooth

70 Monte Carlo SS 454 POP

see http://www.69lm1.com/4sale/ for more pics and info


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[427king]

How much are you asking on the blue Z [reserve]? Thanks

[69LM1]

Thats a hard one.......

I have only seen one other one for sale, and it did not have bulletproof docs, and was years ago......

9796AA was not a drag type COPO, but more of a SCCA COPO. What does that add to the price of a 70 Z28 to a 9796 as compaired to a L78 to a 9561? 500 were supposed to be made, but in reality far less than 500 actually were.

Did you get a chance to read the muscle car review on Phil Borris' car that I scanned into the ad? Pretty cool reading.

To meet the guidelines, I could say $100,000 but I am really looking to see what the market bears. I would prefer to sell the 70 Green Z and keep the COPO, but if someone drops 100k (or less) then the 70 COPO's gone.

This is not a total fishing trip, as the car will sell if the right offer comes in, but I am less apt to take a low ball offer. It's really not a money thing, but a space issue.

[69LM1]

Vin Stamp by request...... http://i17.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/9f/b2/7cb3_12.JPG

[Steve Shauger]

I am curious as to what added value you/market places on the larger spoiler. Also is there a record of which car received the first 3 piece spoiler. I believe the sunshine hurst camaro had the prototype front spoiler installed for some testing purpose.

[69LM1]

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I am curious as to what added value you/market places on the larger spoiler. Also is there a record of which car received the first 3 piece spoiler. I believe the sunshine hurst camaro had the prototype front spoiler installed for some testing purpose.

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Hi Steve,
Like I was telling 427King, I am not quite sure (added value).

But, there is an average $100,000 difference between a Yenko COPO and a regular COPO and that is just a sticker change.

What makes a 69 COPO camaro bring more money than a 69 COPO Chevelle. Same powerplant? For that matter, a RPO L78 car is pretty close in performace (relatively) to a COPO.

Although I agree that performance wise, at speeds under 120mph (Did you read the article I scanned in on the ebay ad from Musclecar review?) there is no difference between performace between a 70 Z COPO and a 70 Z.

However, history wise, the 70 COPO was a major part of GM's SCCA racing ticket. It definatly made a huge performace difference over the standard Z relative to SCCA racing.

As we all know, GM was supposed to make a 500 run to meet the SCCA rules, but all indications (all 2nd hand info) are that they produced far less than 500 cars.

So, it really all boils down to this.
1. IMHO, the 70 Z COPO is to SCCA what the 69 COPO was to Drag Racing.

2. There were very few made, and of those only a fraction have bulletproof docs and can be guaranteed real (<1% total Z production).

3. If a sticker change is worth 100k for a yenko vs a copo, what is a spoiler package that provided a drastic increase in performace worth, and one that influenced Camaro production (+10years!) that can only be compaired to the cowl hood option?

I know of one other sale that was far over the numbers I have been throwing out there.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Steve Shauger]

Quote:"If a sticker change is worth 100k for a yenko vs a copo"

I am not sure that is accurate, however a lot has to do with documenting these cars. Yenko paperwork adds value because most feel it is bulletproof. Most COPO's that I have seen for sale don't have paperwork, other than a certifications that are null and void. Also the double COPO incorporated in every Yenko add something.

Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

[SuperNovaSS]

Does that mean a true cowl good 69 Z is worth significantly more than an otherwise equal flat hood Z?


Jason

[Charley Lillard]

I would say no. I would personally rather have the non cowl good.

[Steve Shauger]

How about the larger spoilers incorporated 69 camaros built after Jan-Feb, does that add value?

[69LM1]

Steve,
Not saying that this car is worth the same as a yenko.... I agree there. BUT, I do think it is worth more than a standard 70Z as well. The real question is how much, and is that relative to the worth between say a 69 BB and a COPO? Or a baldwin-motion. Even the BB cars that were converted after the sale at Motion seem to command a higher premium than the regular BB cars, when they have documentation to back it up, but not as much as a "Badlwin-Motion" doc car.

So, speaking in terms of paperwork, documentation and proof (the point that a yenko is more documented than a copo on average, if I understood your response), then this car is one of a very few that have backup documentation, and that documention has been verified by an industry trusted independant third party as real and authentic.

Of course, as the seller, I am looking for the best I can get. As a buyer, someone wants the best for the least.

This is definatly a niche car, and I have already had some pretty decent offers on it. Like I said, I know of at least one other that sold for a good bit more than I threw out here.....
Who knows, the market is pretty soft right now as we have seen. I may be out of line.....but, you could own this nice driver 70 Z COPO for the cost of a Concours 69 Z28. Everybody's got 69 Z28's, how many COPO Z's can there be?

I think we can all agree at least that it is an interesting car, and that the 1970 Z's, COPO or not, rock! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

I will be keeping one of these two 70 Z's, and I really hope the Green 70Z sells (BTW Guys, I think 35k is a STEAL for that car, it IS in great condition, how many still have the cigarette lighter that still works?) before this one! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks,

Rich

[69LM1]

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Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

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Correct, but I bet those COPO cars have some racing history, like the Vitar(sp) car. If one of Jungle Jim's 70 Camaros came up or sale, I am sure it would go for much more than my 70 Z COPO we all.

[427king]

What was its appraised approximated value in restored or as is condition stated on the certification you have???

[Steve Shauger]

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Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

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Correct, but I bet those COPO cars have some racing history, like the Vitar(sp) car. If one of Jungle Jim's 70 Camaros came up or sale, I am sure it would go for much more than my 70 Z COPO we all.

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No they are just well optioned and documented cars. I am very partial to survivor cars. The original cars with unquestioned integrity are most appealing. My 69 rs/ss L34 survivor, no spoiler is my most prized car.

[69LM1]

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How about the larger spoilers incorporated 69 camaros built after Jan-Feb, does that add value?

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IMO, Apples and Oranges. The "short" 68 spoilers were initially used on 69's to get rid of the last run. The 69 standard spoiler was not related to any special COPO order (same with the cowl hood). Remember, the 70 COPO was a COPO. So the real question is, is the 70 Z tall spoiler a COPO? Obviously, it says so on the build sheet. 9796AA.

**Fictional Comparison**
However, Let say for the sake of argument that in early 69 GM was SCCA racing the 69 Z with the short spoiler no cowl hood. Then they found that the car sucked in relating to drafting. So, they created a long spoiler and a cowl hood, and initiated a run of (supposed) 500 units under COPO 1234. After equipping their 69 Z's with this new equipment the Z now preformed great! It wins races and saves the day. In fact, if GM produced that 69 body style for another 10 years, then makes the COPO 1234 standard RPO equipment on all new Z28s. However, later it is found out that GM did not make the 500 they are supposed to, and actually produced only a fraction of that number. Of that number, only a handful turn up that can be proven to be real. One pops up on ebay with the buildsheet and a cert from Jerry stating authticity.

What would that car be worth? That would be apples to apples comparison, IMHO.

Rich

[69LM1]

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Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

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Correct, but I bet those COPO cars have some racing history, like the Vitar(sp) car. If one of Jungle Jim's 70 Camaros came up or sale, I am sure it would go for much more than my 70 Z COPO we all.

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No they are just well optioned and documented cars. I am very partial to survivor cars. The original cars with unquestioned integrity are most appealing. My 69 rs/ss L34 survivor, no spoiler is my most prized car.

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Well, I stand corrected then. And I even agree. Survivor cars are more appealing to me than restored cars as well!

I wish I could have gotten that 69 LM1 (the hugger car) before it flooded. It has (had http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif ) 70% original paint and it's original interior.

Rich

[69LM1]

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What was its appraised approximated value in restored or as is condition stated on the certification you have???

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No market comparison.......

[Steve Shauger]

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How about the larger spoilers incorporated 69 camaros built after Jan-Feb, does that add value?

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IMO, Apples and Oranges. The "short" 68 spoilers were initially used on 69's to get rid of the last run. The 69 standard spoiler was not related to any special COPO order (same with the cowl hood). Remember, the 70 COPO was a COPO. So the real question is, is the 70 Z tall spoiler a COPO? Obviously, it says so on the build sheet. 9796AA.

**Fictional Comparison**
However, Let say for the sake of argument that in early 69 GM was SCCA racing the 69 Z with the short spoiler no cowl hood. Then they found that the car sucked in relating to drafting. So, they created a long spoiler and a cowl hood, and initiated a run of (supposed) 500 units under COPO 1234. After equipping their 69 Z's with this new equipment the Z now preformed great! It wins races and saves the day. In fact, if GM produced that 69 body style for another 10 years, then makes the COPO 1234 standard RPO equipment on all new Z28s. However, later it is found out that GM did not make the 500 they are supposed to, and actually produced only a fraction of that number. Of that number, only a handful turn up that can be proven to be real. One pops up on ebay with the buildsheet and a cert from Jerry stating authticity.

What would that car be worth? That would be apples to apples comparison, IMHO.

Rich

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I appreciate your response as you are correct. I was just bustin ya a little, and didn't expect a response (I thought that was obvious). It will be interesting to see how the market responds. I love blue - blue cars, that has some wow factor.

Good luck http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[70 copo]

I would not kick the tires too long on this car. The general public will be very aware of this option later this fall. "Real deal" cars will be in demand.

http://www.amazon.com/Camaro-Forty-Years...3108&sr=8-4 (http://www.amazon.com/Camaro-Forty-Years-Darwin-Holmstrom/dp/0760328161/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4/103-1081343-4347861?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179513108&sr=8-4)

[Dave Rifkin]

Do you think the fact that it's a TH400 car will have an effect on it's value? I have never seen a '70 Z with an automatic go for the same money as a 4 speed car even though they made less of them in '70.

As far as the COPO spoiler is concerned; if I was in the market and had the money, I would prefer the short spoiler on my car. Regardless of rarity I just think they look better and flow with the lines of the car better.

Good luck with the sale.

[Steve Shauger]

Have any large/copo spoilers been found on anything other than a Z28 in 1970 (documented cars).

[COPO427]

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Do you think the fact that it's a TH400 car will have an effect on it's value? I have never seen a '70 Z with an automatic go for the same money as a 4 speed car even though they made less of them in '70.

As far as the COPO spoiler is concerned; if I was in the market and had the money, I would prefer the short spoiler on my car. Regardless of rarity I just think they look better and flow with the lines of the car better.

Good luck with the sale.

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I have to agree. Until my left foot gives, I'll always want 4 spds.

[370454s]

I agree on the 4 gear. If that z had a Stick, I would be all over it like stink on a Monkey.

[69LM1]

Yep, seems like everyone wants the 4 speeds in the Z's. At least it's blue! Everyone want's blue 4 speed's......

[GTO_DON]

Did someone change the dash pad in the car?? My 70 Blue deluxe car had a blue dash pad in it.

[69LM1]

Could have, unlike the green Z, this one has some repop interior. I'm tellin you guys, that green Z is as original as it gets........ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Rick H]

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I would not kick the tires too long on this car. The general public will be very aware of this option later this fall. "Real deal" cars will be in demand.

http://www.amazon.com/Camaro-Forty-Years...3108&sr=8-4 (http://www.amazon.com/Camaro-Forty-Years-Darwin-Holmstrom/dp/0760328161/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4/103-1081343-4347861?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179513108&sr=8-4)

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I'm looking forward to the books debut. David took a ton of pictures of my 1967 RS.

Rick H.

[RamAirDave]

I notice that they both sit high in the front. Is that how they are supposed to be?

I ask because mine is considerably lower.

[mmcporter]

I actually agree with you there as well. I wanted at least one of them to be a four speed. A Camaro, particularly a Z/28 is a sports car, and it seems funny to have an automatic. The four speed would definitely help drive the price of these two cars...

[COPO427]

Engine Casting Date Code D200 (May 20th, 1970)

Should the D be an E for May?

[Jeff H]

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Have any large/copo spoilers been found on anything other than a Z28 in 1970 (documented cars).

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Steve, I think there may be a COPO spoiler L78 car out west but I don't think it has any paperwork.

[69LM1]

Might be the driveway angle? The house is 3ft higher than the street.

[69LM1]

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Engine Casting Date Code D200 (May 20th, 1970)

Should the D be an E for May?

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Nope, it actually is D200.

Rich

[70 copo]

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Have any large/copo spoilers been found on anything other than a Z28 in 1970 (documented cars).

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Steve, I think there may be a COPO spoiler L78 car out west but I don't think it has any paperwork.

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Not intended as a factory item except on RPO Z-28. The possible exception being a number of dealer "in stock" Camaros already shipped to the city of Dallas Texas that actually had dealer installed COPO spoilers in the month of May at the specific request of Chevrolet officials.

Phil http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[69LM1]

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Have any large/copo spoilers been found on anything other than a Z28 in 1970 (documented cars).

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Steve, I think there may be a COPO spoiler L78 car out west but I don't think it has any paperwork.

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If the COPO 9796 was for/because of scca racing, would it have been available on cars other than Z28's? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Phil, you still watching this thread? Comments from the man? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Rich

[70 copo]

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Have any large/copo spoilers been found on anything other than a Z28 in 1970 (documented cars).

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Steve, I think there may be a COPO spoiler L78 car out west but I don't think it has any paperwork.

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If the COPO 9796 was for/because of scca racing, would it have been available on cars other than Z28's? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Phil, you still watching this thread? Comments from the man? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Rich

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Yep I just replied while you were typing your question. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[DarrenX33]

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If the COPO 9796 was for/because of scca racing, would it have been available on cars other than Z28's?

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Someone came forward on NastyZ28 claiming they had a L78 Camaro COPO. It was one post under the "Registry" thread but we have yet to hear any more details.

[scott s]

A few years ago i had a documented 70 ss car that had a window sticker p.o.p etc and was a copo spoiler car.It also had the front spoiler at some point as there were some type of retainers attached to the front lower valance panel. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[70 copo]

The SG Registry is a great data gathering tool. Of the cars listed on the Z-28 data page the first of the early LOS cars are clearly Add on spoiler cars as the build date predates the COPO production timeframe. In the NOR section the two late April Norwood VIN#s are also likely add on spoiler cars as well due to the production hold up with end cap supplier AO-Smith corporation on quality issues with fit and alignment.

Mine is not on the Registry there.

Phil http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[70 copo]

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A few years ago i had a documented 70 ss car that had a window sticker p.o.p etc and was a copo spoiler car.It also had the front spoiler at some point as there were some type of retainers attached to the front lower valance panel. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Do you recall the Build date? or VIN#?

[69LM1]

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Have any large/copo spoilers been found on anything other than a Z28 in 1970 (documented cars).

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Steve, I think there may be a COPO spoiler L78 car out west but I don't think it has any paperwork.

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If the COPO 9796 was for/because of scca racing, would it have been available on cars other than Z28's? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Phil, you still watching this thread? Comments from the man? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Rich

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Yep I just replied while you were typing your question. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Should have stayed online longer! Spent all weekend with the kids baseball. Got talked into the baseball coach thing!


Reserve is getting close on the Green Z guys!

If anyone from here buys the green Z, and they want, the 70 Monte SS454 car that I have for sale has the correct original hose clamps, radiator cap and original misc screws. These were some of the things Jerry found wrong on the Green Z, I would pull em off the Monte for them, for the Green Z.

Rich

[69LM1]

Hi,
Whomever called and left a message this evening from the site, the phone number you left 718-371-22XX, the last two digits were cut off by static...... try me again.
Tks,
Rich

[scott s]

ill look to see if i have an old reg card or something with the vin # i remember on the window sticker it said trans am spoiler equip...I have pics of the car somewhere!

[70 copo]

Cool. If you find it please let us know. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Johnny Horsepower]

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Do you think the fact that it's a TH400 car will have an effect on it's value? I have never seen a '70 Z with an automatic go for the same money as a 4 speed car even though they made less of them in '70.

As far as the COPO spoiler is concerned; if I was in the market and had the money, I would prefer the short spoiler on my car. Regardless of rarity I just think they look better and flow with the lines of the car better.

Good luck with the sale.

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I think this car is great! but i have to agree that these cars really are better looking with the short spoiler and are in much greater demand with the more fun to drive 4 spd.

Just my$.02

[GeorgeLyons]

An auto trans '70 Z is shockingly fast and a blast to drive when really running right but the 4spd has always been in much higher demand and will always be the one that brings the premium. As for the spoiler..........for us that have had and played with these cars since new, the short spoiler is far and away the favorite based on appearance. I personally removed a 3pc spoiler from a local sold new Daytona Yellow car I owned around 1978 and welded up the holes in the quarter to fit a small spoiler just because that was the look we wanted. I sold the 3pc. off my spot at Carlisle for like no money. Now here's one to surely get some comment.............I presently own a different Daytona 4spd RS-Z that I am planning a restoration on and it is a true 3 pc. spoiler car. FOR MY OWN SATISFACTION, I am contemplating welding up those quarter holes again to fit the low spoiler since I know I will never like the look otherwise and I can refit the orig spoiler with just a few holes redrilled if need be. NO harm done, agree ?????

[Xplantdad]

Agree George! It's your car...might as well enjoy it the way you want to! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[69LM1]

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An auto trans '70 Z is shockingly fast and a blast to drive when really running right but the 4spd has always been in much higher demand and will always be the one that brings the premium. (((((SNIP)))))) I am contemplating welding up those quarter holes again to fit the low spoiler since I know I will never like the look otherwise and I can refit the orig spoiler with just a few holes redrilled if need be. NO harm done, agree ?????

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Agreed. The TH400 in this car is a beast! But the 4 speeds will allwyas bring a premium.

As far as the spoiler, well, it is your car and do what you want. IMHO, what it really comes down to is do you have backup that the car is a COPO? If not, then a 70 COPO is almost impossible to authenticate without that, so it should be a non issue. If you do have proof, then even if you do change over to a 1 piece, you can always change it back if you sell it. Kind of like some supercar owners who pull the #'s engine and replace with a engine they can run the snot out of http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


This might all be a mute point as there seems to be a buyer for the Green Z. We'll see if the money is wired to me tonight. If so, the COPO's off the market! BUT, the two 69 LM1's are still available, and the 70 Monte SS454 is as well. 69 SS baldwin car is still in paint jail!

I'd let the 69 LM1 gold car go for 8500.00, and it has # match everything, as well as original smog (this is the exact SAME smog as 69 early Z28's per Jerry).

Rich

[70 copo]

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As for the spoiler..........for us that have had and played with these cars since new, the short spoiler is far and away the favorite based on appearance. I personally removed a 3pc spoiler from a local sold new Daytona Yellow car I owned around 1978 and welded up the holes in the quarter to fit a small spoiler just because that was the look we wanted. I sold the 3pc. off my spot at Carlisle for like no money. Now here's one to surely get some comment.............I presently own a different Daytona 4spd RS-Z that I am planning a restoration on and it is a true 3 pc. spoiler car. FOR MY OWN SATISFACTION, I am contemplating welding up those quarter holes again to fit the low spoiler since I know I will never like the look otherwise and I can refit the orig spoiler with just a few holes redrilled if need be. NO harm done, agree ?????

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George,

As history and the wind tunnel numbers indicate Chevrolet and its engineers disagreed as the short spoiler was terminated after only 15 months of production. What the short spoilers have going for them is that they carry a pure association with the high compression '70 LT-1, whereas the three piece is associated with the 71 and up Camaros and suffer what I call the early 70's low compression "smogger look".

Most performance minded folks have a bias for the 1 piece cause it "looks like a '70 should". I wish I had a dime for every time I have had that bit of peer pressure at a show.

As for your car If the car is a real COPO 9796 I would reconsider. Then again that is why the real remaining cars are so rare today.

Here is the way I see it-if the car is real and you put a shorty on it the car will have stories for sure if you decide later to have it both ways by hanging the three Piece back on for resale or whatever.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Good luck with what ever you decide to do.

The Blue car discussed here is what it is, and not a car that I would sell anytime soon. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[69LM1]

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The Blue car discussed here is what it is, and not a car that I would sell anytime soon. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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Thanks Phil.
She's safe for now..... I'll be moving her into the house garage from the shop. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[ohhawk]

I find the discussion here on the optional "COPO" deck spoiler to be interesting. Attached is a picture of a 70Z also build at Van Nuys though earlier (April) than the discussed car. The car shown in the link below has the 3 piece spoiler but the buildsheet (linked in the ad) does not include any additional narrative other than the D80 option that I could see. Following the logic presented by some in this thread wouldn't you have to say this car had this spoiler added later because it is not noted on the buildsheet? I'm confused for sure.

http://www.volocars.com/showroom/showroo...ce=&eprice= (http://www.volocars.com/showroom/showroom_d.php?id=12449&nhs=7&make=&show=new_arriv als&model=&eyear=&syear=&sprice=&eprice=)

[Rick H]

I would say the rear spoiler was added. Probably when they added the front spoiler. The front spoiler should not be painted either. Wrong steering wheel. I am willing to bet there are a lot more things wrong as well.

Rick H.

[ohhawk]

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I would say the rear spoiler was added. Probably when they added the front spoiler. The front spoiler should not be painted either. Wrong steering wheel. I am willing to bet there are a lot more things wrong as well.

Rick H.

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I understand there have been some changes made to the car and that can certainly lead one to thinking this is just another later modification made by someone. You might be right, I'm not 100% convinced yet but appreciate the input from those that know these cars better than I.

[Rick H]

The car you refer too is not a an original COPO spoiler car.

Rick H.

[70 copo]

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The car you refer too is not a an original COPO spoiler car.

Rick H.

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Correct. The build sheet states D-80. For '70 D-80 was the short 1 piece rear unit only.

Phil http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[owners2]

Hey Phil, The new owner of the black stripe delete COPO doing anything with it? Very interested in any additional info you have about the car. Are you going to Carlisle this year?

[70 copo]

I will check. If I can get speak to him I will shoot you a PM. Yes I will be there.

Phil http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif