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parkeracing
12-09-2007, 07:24 PM
Interesting car showed up on ebay, and it's local.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-1969-CORVETTE-427-TRIPOWER-CONV-BUILT-BY-BERGER_W0QQitemZ150190800010QQihZ005QQcategoryZ616 8QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Dave Rifkin
12-09-2007, 11:13 PM
I live 15 minutes from Manahawkin and have never seen this car before. If I were the seller and trying to make such a big deal about it being from Berger Chevrolet I think I would have posted pictures of the work orders that he says he has.
Nice car either way though.

bob p
12-10-2007, 10:43 PM
i am the owner of this vette i did not post all paper work because i assume anyone who had any intrerest would contact me. the fact that i did not get any questions from anybody on this site leaves me to believe there was no interest in this car at all just tire kickers. because anybody that did email me about this car got my phone number to call. the fact that someone that lives 15 minutes away and never saw the car is meaningless. if you are interested in seeing the car you can contact me through this site and i will gladly show it to you. and i do have paperwork from berger chev. and i do not have the tank sticker but then again i did not pull the tank down to look for one. i own this car for less than a year and did not have the opportunity to do so. the fact that someone questions the originality of this car without even seeing it or speaking to me leaves me to question the legitimacy of this site or anyone commenting on this car

Dave Rifkin
12-11-2007, 04:25 PM
Bob, take a chill pill; I am the one who lives 15 minutes from Manahawkin and mentioned that I have never seen the car in the area simply because I know I would be driving the hell out of it in the summer if it was mine.
Secondly, if you got no response from your posting of the car for sale how can you call the people on the site tire kickers? Did anyone even contact you about the car where you would view them simply as a tire kicker?
And finally, I didn't see anyone post anything questioning the authenticity of your car. In fact I know I posted that I thought it was a very nice car but. would have liked to see some of the work orders posted just out of curiousity; if that means I am a tire kicker in your eyes so be it.

As many of the members have told others newbies to this site in the past; if you are simply coming on this site to post a car for sale you'd better be prepared to have people scrutinize the car. There are a ton of extremely knowledgeable enthusiasts on this site (I don't include myself in that group) and they are more than willing to help other enthusiasts sell or improve their car but, I have seen their willingness to help diminish when people come to this site with an attitude.

Lighten up

Stefano
12-11-2007, 07:04 PM
Bob,
You don't have to drop the tank to see if it has a tank Sheet. Just a few screws to remove the gas cap ring and then the rubber seal.

Use a flash light and you will be able to see if its there. Definitely worth the few minutes of work required.

Good Luck http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

markjohnson
12-11-2007, 08:50 PM
Hey Dave Rifkin, that was Bob's first post on this site and I don't think he displayed an attitude at all. He registered just yesterday just to defend himself from you. Hell, he didn't even advertise his car on this site or ask for any help for documentation. I don't think he was making a "big deal" at all about the Berger connection. Just mentioning it. And you doubt the car because it's 15 minutes from you and you've never seen it? You're the one that needs to lighten up. Unless you're a potential buyer, and I don't think you are, that Berger paperwork is none of your business. Look at the green DANA '68 Camaro that Steve Sandlin brought over from Hawaii. That DANA paperwork was only displayed on this site for a few hours before it was decided in the best interest to avoid future bogus duplicates, to remove the paperwork photos. As far as Corvette tank stickers go, they're cool and all, and I've removed several myself, but I don't think the selling dealer is typed on there. I think you owe Bob an apology.

Dave Rifkin
12-11-2007, 09:56 PM
Defend himself from me? Where in any of my posts did I attack him or his car? I simply stated that I had never seen his car and I live very near Manahawkin. Not that it means anything, I was more surprised that I had never seen it since I try to keep my eye out for any nice cars in my area. If he doesn't drive the car that much maybe that would account for why I never saw it; no big deal.
Regarding my reference to the paperwork; now where in my post did I question the authenticity of the car. I simply stated that if I was selling that car and wanted to stress that it came from, or was modified by Berger, I would have shown an example of the paperwork. If the seller chooses not to do that for fear that someone might try to copy it or whatever again that's his decision.
The fact that Bob felt the need to register on the site to defend himself from my post is a little strange I certainly meant no offense and really don't understand what he felt he needed to defend himself from.
As far as my offering an apology for making the statements I made in my original, or even my follow up post; I don't think an apology is warranted but, if it will make everyone happy I am sorry that you took offense to my posts Bob. Good luck with the sale of your car.

Stefano
12-11-2007, 11:16 PM
Mark,
If my memory serves correct, the Dealer Code and Zone number will be on the Tank Sheet.

bob p
12-11-2007, 11:34 PM
First of all, I would like to thank markjohnson. He gets it Dave Rifkin doesn't. The only reason I posted on this site is because I actually had two potential buyers who told me about the site and about the comments made and they questioned if this car even existed becasue of comments made here. I am an avid collector with 19 cars in my collection. I myself, when I buy a car, don't rely on information posted on a site (and by the way, I did not post on this site). I personally contact the seller and review whatever documents he has and personally look at the car. Even if you post documents, some people believe they're not real anyhow and some make copies to scam people. I do however find it odd that people contacted this site to find out about the car and not contact me through the site I had it listed on. Nevertheless, if Dave was an avid car enthusiast, he would've known of the Boy Scout car show for Troop 21 I put on every year to raise money for their trips. All of my cars where there in a row with "Do Not Judge" stickers on them, including this vette. We had over 150 cars at the show and hundreds of spectators. This is a pretty decent show for a small local show. This show was probably less than 5 miles from Dave's house, and everybody who had cars in the few small towns surrounding had them there. I do not have any hard feelings toward Dave but the fact is his comments were probably misconstrued by possible buyers and hurtful to me. I do believe that if the shoe was on the other foot, he would probably feel the same way.

Xplantdad
12-11-2007, 11:43 PM
Hey Bob...got any pictures from that car show? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

bob p
12-12-2007, 12:08 AM
Actually, I don't have any myself, but I believe the troop might have some. If you want some pics, I'll ask the scoutmaster if he's got any and forward them to you.
Thanks, stefano, about the tank sticker. Actually, a little history on this car. I haven't had time to look at the sticker yet. The owner before me had this car just sitting in a pole barn for many years, unused. Calipers were frozen, brake fluid was like mollases, center carb was shot, and since it's an automatic tri-power, the center carb is hard to come by. Luckily I searched one down from Chicago Corvette. Interior needed a change, carpet had to be changed, there was just alot of little issues from sitting that had to be corrected. I figured the tank sticker would still be there if I got around to it, and there were just more important things to get together on the car. The Berger Chevrolet deal is pretty cool. I personally did not believe it to be a fraud, especially with the work orders from Berger that were given to me by the previous owner. But at the end of the day, this is just a pretty cool car. Its a 427, numbers matching, automatic. Casting codes on the engine are all correct. It has two tops, white conv. and blck hard top. And I do believe there were only 150 or so of these made in '69. The unfortunate part is that Berger keeps no records of the cars they do, or so they're telling me. Right now, the car is in the paintshop getting the nose redone, there were some spider cracks. since this was the original color, but not the original paint I thought this wouldn't be an issue. I will try to post pictures of this car and my other cars and I do appreciate any help anyone can give on some insight on this car. Thanks.

Xplantdad
12-12-2007, 12:38 AM
Sure...send them! We can post a few here...

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

bob p
12-12-2007, 02:38 AM
Bruce, here's a few of my cars and I'll get pics from the show later. The vette is included in these.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e80/IndyParise1942/Picture446.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e80/IndyParise1942/Picture024-1.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e80/IndyParise1942/Picture464.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e80/IndyParise1942/Picture032.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e80/IndyParise1942/Picture319.jpg

Drew Papsun
12-12-2007, 03:09 AM
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Actually, I don't have any myself, but I believe the troop might have some. If you want some pics, I'll ask the scoutmaster if he's got any and forward them to you.
Thanks, stefano, about the tank sticker. Actually, a little history on this car. I haven't had time to look at the sticker yet. The owner before me had this car just sitting in a pole barn for many years, unused. Calipers were frozen, brake fluid was like mollases, center carb was shot, and since it's an automatic tri-power, the center carb is hard to come by. Luckily I searched one down from Chicago Corvette. Interior needed a change, carpet had to be changed, there was just alot of little issues from sitting that had to be corrected. I figured the tank sticker would still be there if I got around to it, and there were just more important things to get together on the car. The Berger Chevrolet deal is pretty cool. I personally did not believe it to be a fraud, especially with the work orders from Berger that were given to me by the previous owner. But at the end of the day, this is just a pretty cool car. Its a 427, numbers matching, automatic. Casting codes on the engine are all correct. It has two tops, white conv. and blck hard top. And I do believe there were only 150 or so of these made in '69. The unfortunate part is that Berger keeps no records of the cars they do, or so they're telling me. Right now, the car is in the paintshop getting the nose redone, there were some spider cracks. since this was the original color, but not the original paint I thought this wouldn't be an issue. I will try to post pictures of this car and my other cars and I do appreciate any help anyone can give on some insight on this car. Thanks.

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Hello Bob,
" I do believe there were only 150 or so of these made in '69 "
Can you explain to me and the reader this statement. I do not know you are tell us.
Regards,
Drew Papsun

Xplantdad
12-12-2007, 03:47 AM
Nice cars Bob....I likey the pace car... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

bob p
12-12-2007, 03:53 AM
when i was looking for a center carb [witch is a holly 4056-1]i was told buy chicago corvette the reason these carbs are hard to come by was because the tripower auto 427 was a small production #, the 4 speeds all used a 4055-1 holly witch was much more common.they told me they believe in 69 only 150 or so 427 auto's were made. if someone has more infro on this please let me know

Hugger427
12-12-2007, 05:15 AM
I dont care what anyone has to say... These cars are some sweet rides and if I live close to you I think I would have noticed them driving by. Good luck with the sale. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Dave Rifkin
12-12-2007, 06:20 AM
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I dont care what anyone has to say... These cars are some sweet rides and if I live close to you I think I would have noticed them driving by. Good luck with the sale. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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Don't go there.........

markjohnson
12-12-2007, 09:28 AM
This thread does bring up a good point on tank stickers. I know that there is a square near the top that indicates dealer code/zone. Does anyone have a breakdown or chart to decipher these? I pulled the tank sticker off of a '67 427/400 Corvette that's in pretty readable shape and would like to know what dealership the car originated from. Those 427/400 Tri-Carb 'Vettes have a pretty interesting tank sticker: they'll actually have 427/390 HP listed and then further down the tank sticker they'll read "400 HP conversion". Something like that. Kinda cool.

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY
12-12-2007, 04:30 PM
The NCRS site has a good zone/code dbase.

PeteLeathersac
12-12-2007, 04:49 PM
Great cars Bob!.

And no matter how you arrived here, glad you have and welcome!.

http://www.ncrs.org/dealercode/dealerzone.html

~ Pete
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

bob p
12-13-2007, 03:22 AM
thanks pete i appreciate it .i have a few more but didn't want to load up the site with them just wanted people to know I was a serious collector. I will however post some more pictures of this corvette at the end of the week when I get it back form paint. I would like some feedback from people who know more about Berger and what they think of the car. I kind of wish the car didn't have the Berger name plate and plaque on it. Seems to cause me more problems than its worth. The car was brought to me because the person knew of my collection and knew I would restore it and I myself needed a project. Anyone who can help with documentation is greatly appreciated. thanks bob