Re: Setting up Shop in Dayton (aka Cholla's Retreat)
 

Sam, is this the Cholla that your humble abode will be named after???

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...UTT/cholla.jpg

CHOLLA OF THE BLACK WIDOWS!!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img]

https://youtu.be/yXhl6TOyq3k


Rich

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Not quite Rich. That's a hoot! I should have said my inspiration earlier. It is named for my old gal, Cholla, my Labrador Retriever. She would faithfully accompany me as I was refurbishing our garage while her younger &quot;sister&quot; tore around the back yard. She passed away back in August at the ripe old age of 13 and a half. She was a wonderful companion to be sure (that's her in the back ground) ....

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sorry for sideways photo - can't get right side up.

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See if this works...

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And you also had wonderful Cubby-who loved her Pavilions treats! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

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You got that right Bruce! Been blesse with some incredible canine characters!!!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Thanks Eric!!!!

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...3443-image.jpg
Sam Love the lights! I've been looking for one to hang outside my shop over my personal entrance door
Looking good! like all the equipment

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Thanks Richard.

This gets mounted to the overhead (right Mikey) tomorrow with electrical and gas plumbing to follow. It is a 45K BTU &quot;Hot Dawg&quot; propane heater by Modine. This is good for up to a 2.5 car garage. With the thermostat at its lowest setting, I can keep it at 40 degrees to keep the rides happy and bump it up to 60 or so to keep me happy when out there in the winter. I'll post the details of all the hook ups when I get to them.

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Mounted to unistrut with help from a friend. I placed a receptacle in the ceiling near the heater to power the blower.....

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Sam, sorry to hear about your dog passing.. I know it is very tough when they go, they are just like a member of the family... Your garage is looking great!! Hopefully we won't need the heaters much this winter. I'm hoping El Nino comes through with a big bang here in Ohio!!!!

Rich

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Sam
good idea to keep the heat in the garage at all times, Those Florescent lights don't want to start up when its cold, kinda like a British car.I know you are keeping a retro look but LED lights are awesome especially in the workbench areas.

Paul

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Paul - my fluorescents are rated to start down to, I believe, 0 deg F. The garage will be well insulated when all is done (garage door is insulated too. I know what a pain most fluorescents can be in cold temps (last winter showed me that [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif[/img] !). Thanks for the heads up. LED is impressive technology and a good investment.

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Sam
Nice work, what's the deal with the Hot Dawg ? Is it gas ? That thing would heat my 30x40.
FYI, I keep my stat at 45 all winter, 96W flo light fire right up.
Lookin' good Sam.

Mike

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Sam,

I have an 80K BTU Hot Dawg in my attached garage. It gets the job done in a hurry. You will love it.

Garage is looking great.

Phil W.

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Great looking shop, excellent planning.

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Thanks - my research led me to picking a model that takes its combustion air from the outside. If there are combustibles such as gas vapor, or saw dust in the garage there is a higher likely hood of explosion if combustion air comes from within the building. External combustion air heater requires an extra vent and is a bit more expensive but gives me some piece of mind. My heater uses a concentric vent system which combines the two vents together shortly after the two vents leave the back of the heater. It is something to consider when you are putting your shop togeither.

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damn, i should have put one of those heaters in the AZ garage [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cry.gif[/img]

nice setup sammy!!!!!!!!!

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Look'in good.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: enio45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">damn, i should have put one of those heaters in the AZ garage [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cry.gif[/img]

nice setup sammy!!!!!!!!! </div></div>

I think there is enough &quot;hot air&quot; blowing around over there in Gilbert that you should be good to go! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/whistle.gif[/img]

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Great work (and look) so far Sam. I'm guessing (since you spend some time at TGJ) you're familiar with Thomas Payne's shop. If you ever get to our neck of the woods let me know and we'll take a side trip to his place. You'll be smiling the entire time.

Love what you're doing, and FWIW, that heater will keep you and the puppies more than toasty. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Hey Dennis. thanks, if that is the shop that was an old repair shop from the 30s or so and this fellow completely restored it.....I love it! His talents are impressive! I would love to see it. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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That's the one. Thomas and his wife are extremely nice people. I've been there a few times; once with my daughter. Even she enjoyed the 'tour'. He's a true car guy and even races a '66 Chevy II L-79 car in Pure Stock. The restored auto shop is amazing and I always come home with new ideas for my own place.

(See you at MCACN this year?)

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Slow going on the plumbing for the propane heater. 1st shot is what the connections will look like above the concentric vent adapter box which passes through the attic and up to the the intake and exahaust caps that will be placed above the roof line. The top cap is the exhaust vent for the hot gases. The cap below it is the fresh air intake for an external source of combustion air. The system is called 'concentric' because the fresh air intake pipe is located external to the double wall (type B) hot exhaust air vent which runs up the center of the fresh air pipe. One advantage of this set up is that it requres only one hole through the roof. Next shot is the adapter box attached to the ceiling.

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More boring stuff. One reason I am posting this here is I have found very little detail on DIY install of a concentric vent system. The instructions from the manufacturer are very vague and not much help. I called the manufacturer and they would not address any of my questions because I was not an HVAC guy. I realize the seriousness and pitfalls associated with a self install and I will be getting my system inspected by the county and the propane provider to ensure a safe system. I have recently installed and successfully passed inspection for a new natural gas line in my home for a gas range.

Next few shots are of the pipes going in between the heater and the concentric adapter box.......

Dry fit of plumbing for outside air intake:
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Connecting hot gas vent with the required hight temp sealant (protection from -75 to +500 deg F)
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No going back! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif[/img]

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Think this will keep the weather out? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

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Yea, stuff some leaves around it, that will keep the snow out.. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]

Nice work Sam [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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great suggestion Mikey, I was leaning toward newspaper, but I like your idea better! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/laugh.gif[/img]

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Just slather some roofing tar in there. It'll be fine... lol. Nice job on the professional looking install!

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Thanks. Rain is moving in so had an early morning session to at least make the system water tight.

This in one of the critical pieces to ensuring Wx tight seal. This is a weather collar that you can manipulate to create a good seal by drawing it up tight around the outer duct pipe and securing it with fasteners ...
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...91-34495-1.jpg

After placing this flashing over the hole in the roof, I traced the oval shape of the base of inner flashing with a crayon...
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...91-34496-2.jpg

Hook blade is best, but I muddled thru with a standard box-cutter type to remove the shingles...
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...91-34497-3.jpg

Dry fit...
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Roofing/flashing glue (if you look carefully, there is a subliminal message in the pattern)
[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smirk.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/whistle.gif[/img] ....
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Dry fit of system to get it up as the rain began to fall. It won't be quite this tall as the inner hot gas vent will be sitting lower once I connect it to the concentric adapter box attached to the ceiling of my shop...
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Time to plumb the propane lines; of course under the ever watchful eye of the QC....

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Winter's bite is taking hold - looking forward to some warmth out here (QC, Abbey, doesn't seem to care though [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] ). Propane providers are out tomorrow for a site survey. I decided to place my pipes outside of the internal wall for that industrial look (also easier to inspect and the code folks are happier about that too). I am planning on using a 125lb tank to be placed behind the garage which I figure should last approximately one winter season. Drilling thru the brick was tough and took over an hour with a good mortar bit (and lots of breaks). Note: portions of plumbing are dry fit (near flex hose). Next up will be electrical connections (power to the heater and thermostat) ....

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Gotta stay warm.

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Sediment trap installed and heater electrical supply are hard wired...

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I was going to ask you about the trap... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Mike

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Well done.....looks great [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan

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Wired the thermostat. Appointment for this Friday to leak test the lines and install the 120 gal propane tank and fire it up!

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Re: Setting up Shop in Dayton (aka Cholla's Retreat)
 

Sam, Add another clamp on the pipe, Solid iron pipe gas
supply connection(s) shall be rigidly anchored within 6 inches of the supply connection(
s), just above the &quot;T&quot; would be perfect.

Great Heat install job, you will LOVE the separated combustion unit heater. I cheapped out on my install and did not spring for the extra efforts and you actually BURN heated air from the garage with conv combustion burners, waste, waste, waste.

JIM