1967 Z28 survivor

[Rick H]

Jeff,
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Rick

[6t7 camaro]

While I was at the Camaros at Carlisle/GM Nationals this year I stumbled upon an enclosed 5th wheel car hauler that contained a disassembled but complete 67 RS/Z. When I inquired if it was for sale I was told yes for $115,000. The puzzled look on my face prompted the guy to tell me it was documented as the highest optioned 67 Z in existance. Was it worth it? To many, no, but if I had an abundance of cash I would have bought it. Same with Jon's car, it is one of a kind. I would rather spend money on either of these than on say a Porsche or a Ferrari. It's all where your passion lies.

[Salvatore]

Welcome aboard Dave! Do you have a 67 Z? Sam

[Zedder]

Dave brings up a very good point that relates very strongly to '67 Z's for some reason. The old "if I had the money" syndrome. I think I've been involved in more '67 Z sales in the past few years than most and I can tell you that the only cars that are selling "easily" are the project cars and I believe that is because most of the enthusiasts buying them don't have the money for some of the really rare/desirable Camaros and look at a '67 project from between $30K and $65K as a bargain and their ticket into the a big boys game. Conversly, there have been 4 or 5 number 1-type '67 Z's for less than $100K for sale for a year or more and not one has sold. Why? There are a number of big time collectors on this site that have all sorts of cars...how many have '67 Z's? Few, if any...Surely they can afford them??? So the '67 Z's just aren't everyone's cup of tea, particularly at the upper end of the scale. I'm not sure why, that's just how it is

As for Jon's car, it is a truly rare peice and I have only heard of one other car that is purported to be lower miles and untouched (but I haven't seen it yet). What will it sell for? If he finds just the right buyer with tons of cash, probably what he's asking. The reason it didn't sell yet is no different than why the #1 restored cars haven't sold...there just aren't many '67 Z buyers looking at that price level.

[427TJ]

If anything handicaps a '67 Z/28 it's that it doesn't have a big-block. We can argue the pros and cons of any/all aspects of any/all cars but big-time collectors seem to want the baddest, most hairy-chested cars available, such as the Motions, Yenkos, COPOs, Harrells, etc., all with square-port, 4-bolt main, bad-ass Rat power. There is a competitive aspect to just about everything we do and why should muscle car collecting be any different? The only small-block (Chevy) cars that nudge their way into the mega-buck muscle car collector world are rare stuff like the '67 Z, also the '69 Z/28, preferably an RS with JL8 and crossram and, of course, Yenko Deuces. Corvettes, to me, are a separate classification but they too demonstrate that Rats outdo Mice in just about every aspect of the collector scene.

No offense to our Mouse-powered bretheren. I'd love to have a '67 Z but they got too expensive.

[Rick H]

Interesting, Flashback to the early 70's and I can still see the faces and hear the comments from the drivers of the BB rat powered Chevelles, Nova, Camaro (yes, Camaro) and a couple of 440 Cudas thrown in the lot that suddenly saw the taillights of my mouse powered 1970 LT-1 Camaro disappearing ahead of them.

That 360hp 350 LT-1 was one mean small block and put many a big block powered vehicle to shame. It is probably one of the most underrated engines in my opinion and one of the best engines GM ever built. But again, that's my opinion.

Rick H.

[Salvatore]

Say it again Rick!

[427TJ]

Rick, I hear you loud and clear. Some of my best moments were behind the wheel of my '67 Camaro with a 327/M-22/12-bolt 3:55 Posi. My point was/is, high-dollar collectors pay the most money for the big-block powered stuff and that's probably why many rare and desireable small-block cars don't get the really big money.

What's a 427 Yenko Nova worth, quarter to half a million? That's just a guess. How about a Deuce? Maybe 150K for a near-perfect one--again, a guess. Can a Deuce whack a 427 car on the track? That race might be close with both cars on stock tires, etc. The Deuce is probably more fun to drive but the '69 427 Nova will get the big dollars from the collectors. Yenko made more Deuces but that's not why Deuces are 150K vs. 250-500K for the 427s.

Stock Street Hemi vs. stock 440 6-Pack? Same thing, the Hemi might get beat by the 440 car in a street race but no one's paying a million for 440 Cuda converts, regardless of the production numbers of either car. 440-6 = $$$ Hemi = $$$$$$$ ($$$$$$$$$$$$)

Okay Ford fans. 289 Cobra vs. 427 Cobra? The race-ready 289 was faster than the early 427 comp cars around the road courses back in the day but any man with a bundle of cash and an ego's gonna' jump at the 427 car. 289 = $$$ 427 = $$$$$

I miss the fun of my '67 327 Camaro but in 1999 I finally got the big-block car I'd always wanted---well, the one I could afford.

[olredalert]

-----That high option 67 Z ended up in the Detroit area owned by two guys we all know. It is presently being restored to a very high standard!..........Bill S

[Denis]

So does anyone know what options the "high option Z" is alleged to have?