NCRS Problems..... Rant

[69LM1]

Anyone help a brother out? I need a build sheet from > 1966 and < 1975 from zone 15, dealer 488, which will come back as Roger Penske, Emmaus PA.

Apparently in <> 1975ish Penske sold that dealership to Scott Chevrolet and moved, and the dealership changed but the dealer number stayed the same.

My Z, a 70, is original paint in the rear and has the Penske dealer tag, my NCRS came back as 15/488 and multiple web sites show 15/488 as Penske as late as 1972.

In fact, the NCRS OWN dealer code database page has an entry for Penske as 15/488 in 1972 verified with "AAA Window Stickers- Bill Petriko", however, in the next entry shows a 1975 entry as Scott Chevrolet as 15/488 with the note "I was given this information by a gentleman who has an official Chevrolet Philadelphia Zone Dealer Directory, March 1975. I believe this was Roger Penske's Dealership in the early '60's prior to his selling to Scott."

So common sense is if there is a 1972 entry for Penske, that in 1970, it would be Penske. Their own notes in the 1975 entry even state that the dealership was Penske in the early 60's. Paperwork mistake right? Wrong (unless I am missing something here).

Not so much. I emailed their support folks and they say that they used the 1988 data (? Why?) which shows Scott and I would need to provide any official paperwork (such as a buildsheet) proving that Penske was 15/488 in 1970. The NCRS database is not able to be used to verify a dealer code.

Ugggh.

So, anyone have any official paperwork showing Penske as 15/488 preferably 1970-74? I would really appreciate it.

Rich

[fsc66]

Rich:
I often go through issues with NCRS when trying to help out members or working on reproduction docs. See if this helps. See attached original newspaper articles. First Dec 19, 1972, articles of Amendment and incorporation filed on November 24, 1972.. Second article dated Dec 3, 1972 specifying change of hands of dealership to Scott Chevrolet. If you want me to e-mail you the full page with the dates on top, PM me your e-mail address.


Paul Winvoices

[69LM1]

Paul,
Thanks! That (the dated version) will hopefully be what they need. I knew someone here would be able to help!

PM'd you my email address

Thanks again,

Rich

[fsc66]

Rich,
Sent you a loads of articles directly to your e-mail. Use whatever can help you. Good luck!!!

Paul

[69LM1]

Thanks, I sent them in!

Rich

[L72Biscayne]

Rich , I have a 70 Ls6 from Penske in Phila. Pa. The built sheet and the window sticker both have the dealer code as being zone 15 dealer 487. David.

[69LM1]

Thanks, I need the Emmaus location. Hopefully what Paul sent me will work.

Rich

[69LM1]

Thanks and big shout out to Paul!

NCRS informed me today that they would be reissuing the report with the corrected dealer.

My first experience was less than helpful, but then Ms. Marilyn with NCRS got involved and she was very helpful and explained that many people try and get what they want on a report vs. what they (NCRS) know. First guy could have been more diplomatic, but she verified the newspaper stories that Paul sent over and was able to update the NCRS database (and thus, my report) with corrected information.

Thanks SYC, and Paul!

Rich

[fsc66]

Rich, great to hear and I'm glad you got someone reasonable to help.
Perhaps this will give others in the same scenario an incentive to do the same

Paul