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Old 05-20-2017, 06:23 AM
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JMHO but I cannot understand why anyone would want to recreate documents for 'novelty' purposes, but wouldn't be happy to have them clearly marked 'reproduction'. You either have original documentation, or you don't.
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JMHO but I cannot understand why anyone would want to recreate documents for 'novelty' purposes, but wouldn't be happy to have them clearly marked 'reproduction'. You either have original documentation, or you don't.
It's simple. I don't want it to say it because I don't want it to say "reproduction" on it. That's the beauty of freedom. I can do that.
If anyone is foolish enough to believe my laminated brand new document is real and they don't ask me if they're really worried about it, they're an idiot and I really don't care what they think. Honestly, mine stays in my file cabinet anyway. I just like it for myself so I can see what it might have looked like and it's nice to see all my options and their original price tag. Again, it's not aged etc. to mislead anyone.
Since the dawn of time there have been scam artists. That will never change. I don't believe in changing things for everyone because of a few thieves etc. Go after the ones that are actually scamming. Hold them accountable if you want.
JMO and as such might not mean anything to anyone, but me...
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Old 05-21-2017, 12:28 AM
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I say novelty because people like to see them displayed with the car. Some people ask if it's real and I simply say it's not but what the original would have looked like. I think reproduction stamped on them would look dumb. Just my .02...

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I have no problem with someone displaying Paul's paperwork with a car and truly think he does an "outstanding" job with his invoices and window stickers. Not only that, but I like how far he goes to research the facts on each customers car as well as the background info he often digs up on original dealerships. I have used Paul's services before and while already having had GM of Canada paper to go with that car, he researched facts to discover a few unknown details about the car and the dealership it came from, and did so on his own accord. He then went on to dig up additional promotional material on the original, but then defunct Chevrolet dealership.

Now on the other side of the coin I do recognize the issue with "some people" misrepresenting paper when it comes to selling a car, but to me that is solely on the integrity of the individual seller. Furthermore, I believe it's up to each and every buyer to perform the proper due diligence when buying a car regardless of its value, paperwork claims or the cars actual pedigree. Greed in itself is a funny thing which always brings fraudulent acts out of the shadows and stamping paper with the words "Reproduction" is not going to stop that!!! In fact, it's almost as bad as saying that every reproduced part on the market today should be stamped with words "Reproduction".

Fact is, most of us question almost "any" piece of paper unless there's rock solid ownership history to fact check the lineage of any such piece being claimed as original. IMHO, anyone who buys a vintage muscle car should (must) back check each such claim and if they don't, then bad on the prospective buyer for throwing such caution to the wind!!!

We already have enough trim tag and paperwork cops out there, and with all of the parts being made today that very closely resemble an original part right down to the smallest detail, it's high time that prospective buyers assume more responsibility to ensure they perform their own due diligence and focus on cars that are proven authentic. That or at least properly ascertain the level that the car has actually been restored to, or better yet do it through a certified pro appraiser who knows that cars particular makeup. There are too many would be buyers out there that just go and write the check without knowing what they should be looking for, what they're looking at or who they should hire to inspect a car if they haven't already done the proper homework and background checks.

Just my 2 bits on the matter, and yes I do realize other opinions will differ.
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Nothing wrong with displaying a reproduction document, window sticker, tank stick, whatever. Its when they get represented as real or the sgt schultz excuse i know nothing . Read forgery laws. INTENT to decieve -----> aging a fake document ... MY OPINION
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Both cars crossed the block at Mecum with the fake docs. The auctioneer stated N647976 had an original window sticker. Did not meet reserve.

Nothing was said about N565875; misrepresentation by silence. Hammered for $60k.
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Not to argue the point William {and I do appreciate your pursuit of documentation}, but if I was buying a car worth 60K, I would have personally traveled there to inspect it, or hired a consultant to look at it for me. Anyone failing to do so falls under the term;

Proverb:

a fool and his money are soon parted

  • It is easy to get money from foolish people.
  • It is difficult or unlikely that foolish people maintain their hold on acquired wealth.

That in itself is what brings "INTENT" to deceive to the forefront for the curb artists of the world.
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