1966 GTO 421?? - Page 2

Norm reynolds · #11 12-02-2003, 11:53 AM

There was one car that did come from the factory Jim wagners had the 421 put in a GTO for a test car for car & driver magazine at the time they were told it had a 389 in it Jim wanted to really impress the magazine guys and I guess to help sell more cars
It was not till many years later that Jim confessed that car never had a 389 but a 421 and that he pulled one over on car & driver magazine guys

442w30 · #12 12-02-2003, 04:19 PM

That car did not come with a 421. It was a transplant.

Chevy454 · #13 12-02-2003, 10:13 PM

Diego:

Did you get to hear John Sawruk speak in Stanton at the PS event? Was WAY COOL. If I'm not mistaken, I believe he had a couple of stories about the 421 swap fiasco.

pontiac6269 · #14 12-02-2003, 10:42 PM

The Car & Driver GTOs were 64s when Pontiac 1st came out with them. They had 2, a red one and a blue one. They were both ringer cars for the press built by Royal Pontiac. Someone owns the red one, think the blue one got destroyed, someone made a clone of the blue one.

442w30 · #15 12-02-2003, 11:50 PM

Hey Rob! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I remember him speaking 2 races ago - is that the one?

However, my memory of those engagements are always a little foggy. Sometimes I have poor memory, other times it's a bit better.

Chevy454 · #16 12-02-2003, 11:55 PM

Nah, it was this past race. Honesty, I wasn't interested when I heard what the topic was gonna be, but it turned out to be VERY interesting.

442w30 · #17 12-03-2003, 12:46 AM

So fra, everyone I can think of was interesting.

One of the few things I remember from the recent years' ones was the street race Mattison talked about that happened on 696.

Bobcat · #18 12-11-2003, 12:58 AM

PMD did not officially put 421's in GTO's for public consumption. There wer some GTO's bulit with 421 from the factory, BUT and that is a BIG BUT, the owners rearly know it. If the factory was short on 389's a it was not uncommon to put a 326 or 421 in to a car slated for some other engins. Ther was NO way the line was going to be stopped for somthing like this. It was common that an engine slated for installation would be pulled from the line by engineering just to test it for tollerances. This would disrupt the sequence for a few cars. Yes, there was a 1966 421 tri power. There were also dealerships that installed 421's as a commom practice. Royal Pontiac, MI, Packer Pontiac MI and FL and Myrtl Motors NY, Gay Pontiac TX, Colony Pontiac FL and others. Hope this helps

copo9566aa · #19 12-11-2003, 03:09 PM

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If the factory was short on 389's a it was not uncommon to put a 326 or 421 in to a car slated for some other engins. Ther was NO way the line was going to be stopped for somthing like this. It was common that an engine slated for installation would be pulled from the line by engineering just to test it for tollerances.

[/ QUOTE ] this is not cool for an all numbers match 389 GTO [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

**sixtiesmuscle** · #20 12-11-2003, 03:17 PM

Are you saying that the factory would install an engine that had the wrong vin stamped on it? If they just went down the line with engines, how many could be misinstalled?? Wouldn't this be fraud?