1966 Yenko Stinger for sale - Page 4

Ed Cunneen · #31 10-06-2002, 10:37 PM

I just wanted to mention that I grew up only minutes from Jack Douglass Chevrolet, and before I ever purchased my first Yenko, knew the story of Jack Douglass selling Yenko Camaros, and that Jack had found out how to order the cars directly from the factory instead of going through Don Yenko. There was a Daytona Yellow Yenko cruising the streets in the mid seventies that was ordered directly by Jack Douglass. I have since certified this car.
I later learned from talking to Jack Douglass that Don Yenko felt this was an unfair practice. Both agreed that Jack would pay a fee to Don for each Yenko ordered and sold by Douglass. Jack also mentioned that each COPO he ordered was to be outfitted with Yenko stripes and emblems.
In my opinion, these Douglas Yenkos are as collectible as any other Yenko sold through the Canonsburg dealership. In fact, I wouldn't mind having that White Douglas Yenko sitting next to my Black COPO Chevelle! If Stefano would only make me a deal! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif[/img]

copolocater · #32 10-06-2002, 11:05 PM

Attention collectors arriving soon-Yenko ertles now in Black,Red, White,Burnished Brown and one or two other colors!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

68l30 · #33 10-06-2002, 11:21 PM

LOL Tim! I hope not,I don't need any more toy's....

Steve

69rsss350 · #34 10-07-2002, 01:24 AM

Man, this is good stuff! Is the bastard child a legitimate heir to the throne???

hvychev · #35 10-07-2002, 02:57 AM

We have got to keep in mind that Don Yenko was above all else a business man. Remember he was a dealer owner and I am probably not the first to tell you that they are the farthest thing from the patron saint of anything! TRUST ME!! We know that he created some of the most awesome muscle cars ever but remember he was out to make a buck. If I read the above posts right I think copolocater mentioned about the profit he made above and beyond the stripes. Shor mentioned that he recived $400 per car. Guys to let you know that was a lot of money for stripes and badges! I would be happy in 2002 to make that profit on a whole car let alone for a stripe kit in 1969. What did they cost in 69 all of $50-$75 dollars?! I think that was a very heafty royalty for the use of his name and stripe scheme because GM provided the rest (COPO PKG). If they sold 25 COPO's and all were sold/marketed as "Yenko's" at $400 a pop x 25 that comes to $10,000!! Well compensated. If everything that I read about Jack Douglass is right in the past year that I have been a member of this site and they sold their COPO's with a Yenko Stripe kit, and paid $400 per car, and their was never a known legit lawsuit/beef between Jack and Don regaurding a copyright infringement than IMO THEY ARE TRUE YENKO CAMAROS!! I for one would actually perfer one of the Douglas cars because they were unleashed on to the world in my own backyard of the Windy City! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

copolocater · #36 10-07-2002, 03:11 AM

Now find me the LUCKY guy with the red /black stripe car. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

**sYc** · #37 10-07-2002, 07:47 AM

So, if all Yenkos are created equal (collectable), does that mean that all Stingers are equal as well? Including the ones that were sold by other dealers, but used (bought $$$) the Stinger kit from Yenko? Tom

JoeC · #38 10-07-2002, 10:32 AM

In my opinion. A Douglas 427 COPO Camaro with Yenko stripes is not a Yenko Camaro. It is a copy of a Yenko Camaro. It may be a legal authorized 1969 copy as compared to the illegal copies that are all to common today but still a copy. This is why there are complex Copyright laws. According to legal documents "Copyright law secures for the creator of a creative effort the exclusive right to control who can make copies, or make works derived from the original work." A Yenko Camaro was the creative work of Don Yenko and Yenko Sports Cars. It is no wonder Don was angry with Douglas. Yenko built them (or bought them), modified them, documented them, marketed them and put his name on them. This creative work is the sum of Don's name, racing history, racing sponsorship, magazine advertising, etc., and has a commercial value. That is why Douglas paid Don so he can use the Yenko name and stripes to sell his 427 COPO Camaros. Why didn't he put Douglas stripes and emblems on them? He wanted to copy the Yenko's and take advantage of the Yenko name. Again, this is my opinion, but if the car was not the property of Don Yenko or was not built by Yenko Sports Cars or does not have Yenko documentation, then it is not a Yenko Camaro.

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #39 10-07-2002, 12:53 PM

I also believe these cars are not Yenko's. If you run an NICB report, they come back as Douglas', not Yenko's.

Do you feel that a car bought locally, with mail ordered Motion parts installed, the same as a 'Baldwin-Motion'? We have seen Joel turn down cars that were created in this fashion, how is the Douglas situation any different?

shor · #40 10-07-2002, 01:52 PM

Joe and Marlin, Of course the NICB comes back as Douglass Chevrolet. These cars were ordered from Douglass, invoiced to Douglass and sold new from Douglass. These cars never made a trip to Cannonsburg. This is not in question.

The Baldwin Motion argument isn't similar. The name "Baldwin Motion" is descriptive of the dealer and the tuner...Baldwin Chevrolet and Joel Rosen.
By the way...the most famous Baldwin Motion Corvette in existence was invoiced and sold new to a Chevrolet dealer in Ashtobula Ohio, then the car was sent to Long Island New York(Joel Rosen) for the conversion process. Two fellow board members can elaborate more than I on this one(mark ?)
Even though I don't believe this is the same situation...... is that car not a Baldwin Motion? If the owner drove the car before sending it to Joel is he disqualified? What if the dealer in ohio sent it first before selling the car to the customer...does it then Qualify?

The Douglass debate is not merely about a sticker kit. That is not what happened in 1969. Was the young man that drove his 1969 Jack Douglass Yenko Camaro with the stripes, emblems, headrests and Yenko invoice in the glovebox off of the dealer lot in June of 69 driving a lesser car than the same man that picked his up in Pennsylvania?

If my car still had it's original paint and original stripes and original Yenko invoice as delivered new in 1969 would I be incorrect to not display it and present it as such? Are we trying to rewrite history here? Are we now applying rules that must be met to describe a car as a Yenko? Who is in charge of the "new" rules?
My car is a Douglass Yenko.

As an aside I have a question for Brian Henderson.
I know how Brian feels about this whole Douglass thing and we differ a little on our opinions but my car is now in his shop awaiting reasemmbly.
Brian , to restore my car "correctly" do you put the stripes, headrests, and Yenko emblems back on ?