69 Camaro BB blacked out panel?

[bigsixman]

Is it possible that the black rear panel cars were sprayed with gloss black after the car received its body color reflowed lacquer and then it would not take on the shine of regular black painted cars that received the reflowed process? That is basically what the above posted link says in it while addressing the black painted rear panels.

I am old enough to remember looking at these cars new in the showroom and the rear panel was not satin or flat black, they had a shine to them, but not as shiny as the regular black painted cars

[70-SS/RS-L78]

Personally I don’t think it is straight black, It looks as though DuPont mixed a little white and maybe a little yellow into the formula similar to some of the under hood formulas. Then again the matting agent will sometimes make it look a little milky. You would have to do a few spray out cards to determine what percentage of Matt and which toners you would need.
Mark

[70 copo]

Again I am pretty protective of the book research but again for the sake of giving you a definitive answer here is a Photo excerpt from the book "Echoes of Norwood" © 2013 Philip Borris and some additional non published research that was not put in the book (but perhaps I should have?)

<span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;The back panel paint was applied on the line between ovens 2 and 3. The paint was the same paint used on the rockers. The gloss difference was a technical result of the temperature differences within the last reflow oven. The first being where the upper portions of the body were exposed to more consistent heat than the rockers and the reflow process was always more glossy in those areas&quot;.

&quot;If there was a temperature difference in plant say a summer day- the body was already hot going into the oven - warm to the touch- as opposed to a winter day where the body would be cool to the touch. All of these factors played into the final reflow outcome&quot;

&quot;Cars built in cooler conditions in plant probably were less prone to high gloss where cars that cycled into the oven on a hot day had better and more consistent reflow due to the oven getting a fairly warm body to start with&quot; </span>

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It is my hope that this will put this issue to bed once and for all.

The above is an excerpt of an interview from 6 years ago from the paint Department supervisor who was actually there and can prove he was there.
His name appears on the 1969 personnel listing at Norwood as a Fisher Body employee in paint. In addition He supervised the man in the picture below.


My Guess...

Cars built in the summer <span style="font-weight: bold">glossy</span>
Cars built in the winter <span style="font-weight: bold">less glossy</span>
Spring and Fall <span style="font-weight: bold">split the gloss %</span>

Merry Christmas!! Enjoy.

[68l30]

....and there it is! Thank you Phill [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img]


BIG

[cook_dw]

Great explanation and makes perfect sense. Thank you!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

[DW31S]

FWIW, I asked a friend about his '68 SS396 Camaro he bought new, and it was a relatively early '68. He says it definitely was not as shiny as the rest of the car.

[earntaz]

As Paul Harvey would say -- &quot;and here's the rest of the story&quot; ...

[m22mike]

Thank you Phil, that is what I always understood. There was no reason to used two different gloss leves.
Nice to know about the temp variation too, helps understand the inconsistencies, and FWIW I will remain in the not glossy rear panel camp... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

&quot;<span style="color: #FF0000">The paint was the same paint used on the rockers.</span>&quot;

[COPO CARTEL]

See there ...everyone is right ! Good job Phil ! Behind the scenes detective work . Mikey go back to your gin and tonics

[Charley Lillard]

Here is the tail panel on the 4K mile 68 Baldwin Motion car that Lud Renner bought new. It will be at Mecum Kissimmee.