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Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird
      #116948 - 01/16/05 09:18 PM

Bob, Here's the story & pictures. Thanks, Rick


First a little background on John Fitch. John is about 87yrs old. He built his first car in his college years, it was a tube chassis with a Desoto flathead. Then he was off to Europe for WWII as a P51 fighter pilot. After the war he
built his next cars, a modified Crosley Hotshot body powered by a Ford flathead, and then a rebodied Jag XK120.
He was the 1st SCCA national champion driver. Drove for Briggs Cunningham in the US and at LeMans.
In the early to mid-fifties was a driver for the Mercedes factory sports car team.

Ed Cole at GM hired him to run a factory Corvette race team at Sebring in 56 and or 57. After that he started John
Fitch & CO. in Falls Villiage CT, his big thing was making modified Corvairs called Sprints. They were availiable
throught certain Chevy dealers, similiar to Yenko's. He also tweaked other cars such as a 67 Olds, some VW's.

He later became involed in automotive safety barriers. You may have seem the yellow crash sand barrels along
roads in a triangle arrangement, that's one his inventions. Today he's still an innovator working on more crash
barriers, fuel catalyst,and liquid cooled brakes among other things. I've glossed over alot of thing here, he's quite
an interesting man.

Fitch knew John DeLorean who was running Pontiac in 1967 and DeLorean sent Fitch 1 400ci Firebird and 1 OHC
6 cylinder with a four barrel (Pontiac Sprint engine) to play around with as an engineering exercise. When he was
done with the 2 cars they where brought back to Pontiac for the evaluation and also to Lime Rock race track in CT.
The Fitch cars ran back to back tests with Pontiac engineering dept cars called PFST. At the end of the tests Fitch felt his car was better suited for everyday street driving while the Pontiac PFST wasn't real a street car, more of a
race car. I think after the test Pontiac gave Fitch the cars back and they kind of parted ways the way I've heard the story. Fitch said in a old Special Interest Auto interview "Herb (Adams Pontiac engineer in charge of the
PFST program) still liked his and I liked mine.". I think Fitch felt his cars worked fine for what he intended them to be,
more of a sport car then a race car. My understanding is Pontiac never backed the Fitch car program other than send
Fitch the first 2 cars, and Fitch busy with his other projects at the time, never really marketed them other than a few
magazine road tests. Fitch doesn't remember how many cars he made in the end, it seem to be around 6-8 cars, all 400ci engines except the 1 OHC Sprint.

My car is the OHC Sprint engine car. For factory options my car has rally gages, console, tilt, wood wheel, deluxe
interior, 4 speed, am/fm, hood tach, rally wheels, tinted glass, power disc brakes, and radial tires (actual option
on Firebirds in 67). For Fitch mods there's Koni Front shocks, Lucas Flame thrower driving light, mesh in front of
the light/grill, adjusted caster, rubber bumpers on the shaft of the front shocks (to change spring rate), re-valved
steering and brakes, headlight flasher switch, one time wiper switch, light monitoring panel, leather steering wheel
cover, Judson coil, dual exhaust, and the fins an the quater panels (they were to cooling the brakes and let air into
the interior but never developed). Also for the 6 cylinder car Fitch want to supercharge it, but never actually
developed it. A fitch opted car would sell for about $1000 more than the sticker price on a car.

The car was fairly solid when I bought it in the late 80's except for the trunk which was rotted bad because the fins
let alot of water leak in. The floors and doors were good.I had to replace the roof skin because someone put a moon
sun roof in at some point. The interior is all original except the rug and headliner. The car was missing the mesh covers and light monitoring panel, I recreated them from pictures and by talking to Fitch.

I found 2 broadcast sheet in the car both say "Tag Fitch & Co." and the Pontiac PHS billing card shows it was
paid for by the Engineering department of Pontiac.

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Belair62]
      #116963 - 01/16/05 10:17 PM

That is one COOL Bird! Very nice job on the resto!


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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: 68l30]
      #116966 - 01/16/05 10:27 PM

This is a very unusual car....very cool....never saw one before....Rick if you send me another pic of that sail panel i will try re-post...this Photbucket is starting to tick me off..

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Belair62]
      #116969 - 01/16/05 10:54 PM

NICE!

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Belair62]
      #116989 - 01/17/05 12:21 AM

Hey Rick,

Really cool car! I never knew that something like this existed. I've learned a lot since joining this forum.

Thanks for sharing!


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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Xplantdad]
      #117011 - 01/17/05 09:46 AM

That thing looks wild! Kinda has an AMX look to it with the fins...did those OHC-6 cars originally come with dual exhaust and the 4-barrel? How does it run?

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Belair62]
      #117025 - 01/17/05 11:18 AM

Wonderful car and story. I've been interested in these Fitch 'Birds ever since "Cars and Parts" did a story on them 10 or 15 years ago. There cannot be many of these left as there weren't many to begin with. What a well-rounded car in the grand touring tradition.

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: mmcporter]
      #117098 - 01/17/05 06:10 PM

Car--A real piece of Pontiac History---It must be a fun car to drive on the open road-------------

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: JoeG]
      #117448 - 01/19/05 09:20 PM

Thanks for the compliments on the car.The resto was done 12yrs ago and it's held up pretty good except the engine paint. It does look like a big AMX from the side, somedays I think it looks cool, anothers I wonder... but it's different for better or worse.

Pontiac offered the OHC in 2 versions, the base was 165hp 1 barrel carb engine, the other was the Sprint 4 barrel with 215hp. Pontiac never offered dual exhaust on either, Fitch added the dual exhaust.

The OHC Sprint (4 barrel) engine runs great with the 4 speed (They say autos are dogs),the 4 speed has a 3.11 first gear and the Sprint engine redlines at 6500rpm, so it suprises alot of people because it gets up & goes pretty good but it tops out were a high horse V8 keeps going.

A few of the Fitch cars have shown up from time to time, but they seem to disappear again. I talked to an original owner of one of the Fitch 400ci cars, she sold in the late 80's to someone in the mid-west haven't been able to find it. She also said she thought Fitch sold one to someone in Italy. There was another that was for sale at the Pomona CA swap meet about 7yrs ago, I here that it might be in the Long Beach area now. Also in the early 80's in Tampa or Daytona Fl, there was one for sale.

Fitch was trying to make a euro GT type car. He was even going to make a supercharger for the OHC package but never followed though on it. He actually liked the OHC engine car better because there was less weight up front which helped the handling over the 400ci cars. He felt the OHC with the supercharger would have been enough for 99% demand made on it.


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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Rick]
      #117724 - 01/21/05 01:55 PM

Rick,

The car is awesome. Thanks for posting the story and pictures. Not a whole lot is known about John Fitch to the average car fan so that is a great mini-history lesson. Is there any chance of seeing a pic of the front showing the mesh over the headlights and maybe one from straight behind? If I ever run across that one from Pomona again, I will let you know.

-Jon


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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: 1967Z28]
      #117775 - 01/21/05 07:36 PM

Rick...that is a real nice car. First one I have seen. I really like it.

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: TDW]
      #117819 - 01/22/05 12:33 AM

Jon,
I have pictures of what your looking for, I need to figure out why my scanner doesn't want to work. Or after we get our 10"-18" of snow tomorrow I'll try to take some digital pics.

There's a lot more interesting Fitch info out there, I have about 10 different magazine article's and both his bio's he's written. Lot's of good reading on the different cars he's done, auto safety projects and so on.


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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Rick]
      #117987 - 01/23/05 12:41 AM Attachment (316 downloads)

Finally got the scanner to work... so I scanned a few pictures.
Jon, here's a picture from behind.


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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Rick]
      #117989 - 01/23/05 12:51 AM Attachment (295 downloads)

Here's one of the front screen. The screen is hard to made out, I hard to remake that and it's thinner than the original so it washes out in pictures.

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Rick]
      #117990 - 01/23/05 12:54 AM Attachment (266 downloads)

Here' one of John Fitch with the car at Lime Rock race track in 2000 or 2001.

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Rick]
      #117993 - 01/23/05 01:12 AM Attachment (401 downloads)

Last... Here's a picture of my car with 2 other Fitch cars.
The car in the top half center picture is a 67 Fitch Corvair. THe Corvair has a Fitch fiberglass roof extension, a bunch of suspension and engine mods. THe other car on the left (& behind in botton picture) is a 67 Fitch Phoenix, the only one made, he was taking orders when the Federal mandiate changes for 68 were passed and he didn't update the design due to cost, so it went away. It was supposed to be a run of 500 cars, it's based on a Corvair drivetrain and the body was made in Italy I believe. Looks almost like a 80% scale 68 Vette. Orders were taken through Abacrombie & Fitch stores.


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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Rick]
      #118076 - 01/23/05 11:20 AM

Great information and pictures.

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Mr70]
      #118266 - 01/24/05 01:50 AM

Thanks for all the pics and the stories, Rick. Very cool seeing Fitch with those cars at Lime Rock, basically in his back yard. The front end on the black car looks a little more like a scaled down Pantera than a Corvette.

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Belair62]
      #120540 - 02/02/05 03:10 AM

Car Life April 1968 Article









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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: HawaiianCamaro]
      #120615 - 02/02/05 02:09 PM

Thanks for posting that, Jeff. I have the article somewhere but just couldn't find it. Interesting that both cars are '67 models but the article is written well into the '68 model year.

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: 1967Z28]
      #120956 - 02/03/05 09:41 PM

Thanks for posting the article. I have a few other magazine articles on the Fitch Firebirds and other cars that he did like the Olds, Corvair, and Phoenix. If anyones interested I can scan them and either email them to you or post them here.

-Rick


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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Rick]
      #122484 - 02/11/05 06:53 PM

Rick,

I'm definitely interested. Either post 'em or email me directly.

Thanks,
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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: 1967Z28]
      #122491 - 02/11/05 07:20 PM

Just saw this...post them...

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Belair62]
      #123297 - 02/16/05 04:54 PM

Next chance I get I'll dig the stack of articles out and pick out what I think is the best ones and post them. Hopefully get a chance over the weekend.

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: Rick]
      #441759 - 01/28/10 11:26 PM

The Sprint package unfortunatly was ahead of it's time and only recently has it been recognized for it's innovative engineering.

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: shifterkart26]
      #441762 - 01/28/10 11:46 PM

Saw a Sprint at the Roslyn PA car show this past summer. I was really surprised to see it. Only realized what it was after looking it up on the net that evening. I wish I could have found the owner that day to discuss.

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      #441872 - 01/29/10 05:44 PM

The Sprint performance package combined with the Firebird chassis produced a true Euro style sports car. With the high horsepower and torque without the V8 weight penalty, matched with the well balanced Firebird, it was a corner hugging road racer. Too bad the engine was discontinued in 69 because it would have been the muscle car motor of the 70's after the oil embargo killed the ground pounding V8's. My Sprint will get over 20mpg around town because the Qaudrajet has small primaries. But when the dinner plate sized secondaries pop open, it spankes the small blocks. The engine was designed from the start with future horsepower upgrades in mind. There is one guy that uses this engine in his race boat (it's nicknamed "the boat motor from hell") and it's been dynoed at 500hp and it runs all day long. Delorean and his team where too far ahead of their time!

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Re: Ricks Fitch Firebird...very rare Bird [Re: shifterkart26]
      #448482 - 03/10/10 02:09 PM

Way cool!

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