RPO L-78 SS 396
Reged: 12/04/05
Posts: 681
Loc: sparks, nevada
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the wagner car did not have a vinyl roof, also i,m not sure that the wagner car was a heater delete, i don't know what the wagner car had for a trim tag code as far as the vinyl roof is concerned. i do know that willie wagner flew ed c.
in to look at the car and determined it was a clone, it was well enough done that it fooled wagners. i believe that ed c. found a wiring harness discrepancy that sealed the clone title on the car. the shifter on the wagner car had some marks on the lower part of the shifter shaft that looked like it had been heated and bent to a little different position than the stock shifter, down near the sifter boot base. also scott wagner said that all the date codes and stampings were correct at the time they bought the car, they sold it and delivered it out of state, then the new owner had some questions that couldn't be answered, wagners ended up refunding the money and selling the car as a clone. it sold the second time around for about $52,000.00, scott said that it was a nice car, though the motor was a little bit tired.
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a few big block 69 nova's
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Jeff H
Pooh-Bah
Reged: 02/15/01
Posts: 2214
Loc: Ewing, NJ
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Well, the POP looks pretty good so if it's a fake they did a great job. But if this is the car that had the tags removed at the junkyard then this could be a legit POP but the car is a complete rebody from what I gather reading those old threads. Any car that Tuttle was involved with, I would stay far away from. And the heater delete is not legit since the car was sold in the lower 48 states it was required to have a heater. There are threads going back to 2002 about this car so do some searches and enjoy the reading.
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69 Z28 JL8, #'s match, crossram - being restored
00 Camaro SS
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RPO L-78 SS 396
Reged: 12/04/05
Posts: 681
Loc: sparks, nevada
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scott wagner was nice enough to call me back this afternoon with the vin# information, the car being discussed is indeed the car that was at wagners in 2002. scott wagner is a trustworthy dealer in my opinion and welcomed any calls with questions from members. i hope this saves some one a big head ache
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a few big block 69 nova's
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RPO L-78 SS 396
Reged: 12/04/05
Posts: 681
Loc: sparks, nevada
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one further note, in 2002 the car did not have a pop
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a few big block 69 nova's
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Stuart Adams
old hand
Reged: 04/24/00
Posts: 1081
Loc: Lake Havasu City, AZ.
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 Amazing how that seems to happen.
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b4c_maro
newbie
Reged: 12/10/05
Posts: 13
Loc: Atlanta GA
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Very amazing - especially with a POP that looks so good to most folks. I'll just keep looking for that affordable needle in a haystack. Thanks for everyone's information, input, advice, suggestions and guidance!
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Tas Ward
Lawrenceville GA
'69 Z
'69 Plain Jane
'98 B4C
'02 B4C
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Stefano
Reged: 10/06/01
Posts: 4574
Loc: Land of Lincoln
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This comment is in reference to protecto plates: There are companies/individuals who have been in business many years stamping these plates. Some actually use original blanks as well as the original stamping machine and sometimes even vintage warranty booklets while others do not.
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RPO L-78 SS 396
Reged: 12/04/05
Posts: 681
Loc: sparks, nevada
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if anyone is interested, scott has provided a copy of the ed c. findings page on this particular car. pm me an e-mail address and i will e-mail you back the file, i don't know how to post any files. scott said that they lost $20,000.00 on the deal to make it right with their customer.
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a few big block 69 nova's
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Rick H
old hand
Reged: 09/28/03
Posts: 990
Loc: Warsaw, NY
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This "COPO" was discussed as part of this thread. Charley knows about the car.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/136076/an/0/page/1
Rick H.
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69LM1
old hand
Reged: 12/15/03
Posts: 1065
Loc: New Orleans, LA
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Going to go look at the car tomarrow. It is about four miles from me. I have bought parts from the current owner before, and he has always seemed nice enough. On the phone, he readily admitted that the car was probably a rebody. I will get the full story tomarrow. He may have gotten stuck with it.
I know many of you disagree, (flame up) but if it is just a rebody issue, I say no big deal if that is put out into the open (in fact, should have been in the ad from day 1). I do not see a whole lot of difference between a rebody and a complete sheetmetal job that many camaro's these days have.
I am more concerned with the drivetrain being numbers matching and it (or at least the cowl) being from a real CoPo car. After all, it was the drivetrain that set the car apart.
Not trying to start a flame war, just saying........
Rich
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Rich
www.69lm1.com/4sale
69 X66
70 Monte SS454
70 Z CoPo
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