Rim color?

[Schonyenko2]

I think it was discussed before, but I can't find the thread. The FC rims off my 68 rally green camaro were never green. They were black, with dog dishes. What is the reason they were black instead of body color?

[ORIGLS6]

I thought the dog dish got body color wheels and the full wheel cover got black wheels. That's how my Nova is.

[COPO_Anders]

Are you sure your car was ordered with dog dishes ? I have heard lots of stories about dealers switching wheels and hubcaps between cars when a customer wanted other wheels than those on the car.

[camarojoe]

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I thought the dog dish got body color wheels and the full wheel cover got black wheels. That's how my Nova is.

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That was the general rule, but exceptions have been noted... One in particular that comes to mind is Joey Swezey's gold 69 Dana Nova. Might have just been a supply issue, ie: no wheels in the correct body color as the car was coming down the line, so they ended up with black ones instead. Just a guess. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[ORIGLS6]

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That was the general rule, but exceptions have been noted...

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So true. The old 'always and never' rule. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[firstgenaddict]

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I thought the dog dish got body color wheels and the full wheel cover got black wheels. That's how my Nova is.

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That was the general rule, but exceptions have been noted... One in particular that comes to mind is Joey Swezey's gold 69 Dana Nova. Might have just been a supply issue, ie: no wheels in the correct body color as the car was coming down the line, so they ended up with black ones instead. Just a guess. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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According to JohnZ all 5 wheels were painted at the same time as the front sheetmetal, at Chevrolet assembly.

[Verne_Frantz]

I agree with that, except that the rims were painted in enamel, where the body was in lacquer. At any rate, my research on earlier cars shows that the "dog dish" cap was not optional; it was the standard hub cap. If a combination of white wall tires AND a full wheel cover was ordered, then the wheels were painted black, otherwise they were body color. Now since a SuperSport automatically came with full wheel covers, if white wall tires were ordered, the rims would have been black, but IF the car was built with the standard black wall tires, I'd suspect it would be delivered with body colored wheels.
It's very difficult to tell exactly how a car was sold new if it was a "stock" car rather than an "ordered" car. Dealers routinely made changes to their inventoried cars to make them more attractive to buyers. A very typical change would be to add full wheel covers to a car, thus making it look much better on the lot. (not like a cheapie) None of those dealer changes would appear on ANY paperwork.

Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

[quote... One in particular that comes to mind is Joey Swezey's gold 69 Dana Nova. Might have just been a supply issue, ie: no wheels in the correct body color as the car was coming down the line, so they ended up with black ones instead. Just a guess. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/lotsayenkopics/SCRX/Thursday%20Meet%20and%20Greet/tn_DSCF8753.jpg

This car? One of the finest looking Novas I've ever seen. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[firstgenaddict]

My bad... didn't say anything about the same time as sheetmetal...

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The steel wheels were received raw in rail cars, and sent through a hot cleaning and iron phosphating system, then dip-primed or flow-coated with black primer and baked. Then they they were mounted on spinning hubs on racks (5 wheels to a rack) on a conveyor and the outer face of the wheel was sprayed with body color gloss wheel enamel, and they were baked again. From there they were conveyed to the tire mounting and balancing system. Only the outer face of the wheel had body color on it.

[camarojoe]

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... Now since a SuperSport automatically came with full wheel covers, if white wall tires were ordered, the rims would have been black, but IF the car was built with the standard black wall tires, I'd suspect it would be delivered with body colored wheels.

Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

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That may be true on Impalas, but 68 SS Camaros (car in question) did not get full wheel covers as standard equipment as part of the SS package, they got steelies with dog dishes. I still say cars that came with black wheels likely came that way because of a supply problem with having the proper color of wheels at the time of assembly... The fact that the wheel paint was totally different type of paint than the body paint makes me feel even more confident that this could have, and likely DID happen on occassion...

[camarojoe]

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This car? One of the finest looking Novas I've ever seen. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

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Yes that car, and yes, it's probably one of the most properly/accurately restored 69 Novas I can think of... when it's not sporting it's Day 2 look it wears black steelies and dog dishers on redlines, which is how it was delivered with when new... and looks just as bad-assed as it does with the Cragars IMO. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/353817-SCR8056.jpg

[ORIGLS6]

I wonder if the wheel color had any connection to the trim level of the Camaros? Maybe cars with a Black-out lower panel, etc? Just curious. School me.

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Yes that car, and yes, it's probably one of the most properly/accurately restored 69 Novas I can think of... when it's not sporting it's Day 2 look it wears black steelies and dog dishers, which it was delivered with when new... and looks just as bad-assed as it does with the Cragars IMO.

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And it has the RIGHT hood for a Nova! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[Verne_Frantz]

Thanks for the clarification Joe. I wouldn't have known that. I wonder why an SS full wheel cover wasn't part of the package? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Yep, that's true for Impalas. In fact, there wasn't even a delete option if you didn't want the SS caps. The only way to get an Impala SS with dog dishes was to order the chrome wheel option ('63&'64) or the 15" wheel option.
Verne;)

[Schonyenko2]

The camaro is a non SS 327 3spd. No lower blk out. It had a white vinyl top. I bought it from the ex wife of the original owner. The dog dishes were on all fours when I drug it out of the shed. I thought they were bomb canned black until we poped the tires off, and there's no sign of green on any of them. There is a nbr 26 in wax pencil on one of them. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Swezey's Dana car looks plain deadly w/ the steelies in black and matching black hat...and w/ the stinger & black stripe, even more sinister!.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif!!!

~ Pete

[danachevroletfor1967]

Just to add some more info to this thread: I used to own an all original 1967 Camaro RS I bought from the original owner. It had body color painted wheels and full wheel covers. I think they were referred to as the "tulip" style.

[Kurt S]

I'm a doubter on the factory screwup / supply theory. The broadcast sheets called out what color the wheels were going to be.
I've seen several of these wrong wheel colors and every time, when they were chased back to original docs, they came as ordered and they were changed at the dealer.