Hemmings Muscle Machines Musclecar of the Year

[njsteve]

If you're totally bored with the regular presidential politics and voting decisions, feel free to go to this website and place your vote for whichever car you like.

http://www.hemmings.com/mmoy/

And no, I didn't just post this because my car is one of the nominees. It's my wife's fault, she made me do it...yeesh, I'm sounding like Bill Clinton already.

I'm NJSteve and I approved this message. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Seattle Sam]

Hmm, a lot of nice cars there, including Sam Griffith's Savoy. And an original owner, untouched L78 Camaro.

Steve, your car is in some fine company there! And deservedly so I might add. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[69hurstSC]

wow, what a selection. had to go with the orphan as it is the only OFFICIAL Super Car on that list http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Verne_Frantz]

All I'll say is.........I voted for a Mopar. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[njsteve]

Hey, that makes two of us. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[wagonman]

Hmmm..... tough choice...

i wonder who i should vote for?

can you vote for yourself?

[RamAirDave]

Like I posted on TC, I like the Hornet, the Savoy, the Tempest wagon, the T-bolt, and the wood-clad 429 Ranchero.

I'm like different, stuff you don't see everyday.

[427TJ]

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It's my wife's fault, she made me do it...yeesh, I'm sounding like Bill Clinton already.

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Well if Hillary had been on the job then Monica wouldn't have stood a chance. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[frank261]

Iam voting for the car guy John cause his camaro is the best trubite 1968 Camaro Z/28 Convertible. You go John!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

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All I'll say is.........I voted for a Mopar. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Wow, this is a tough choice between two Mopars!! Congrats to both Sam and Steve for being finalists!!

I like the wallpaper woody ranchero too!

[ChevyThunder]

The Tempest wagon really jumped out at me.

[jasonL78]

Don't leave JimL78's white 69 camaro out he is also a member. The car is all original and truely a time capsule!

Jason

[Postsedan]

I voted for one of the GM Post Sedans http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Dan.

[9SECONDYENKO]

I voted for the nova.I could not help it there my favorite.

[Z-11 396]

I Voted for the Corvair, Oh No, that wasn't one of the choices, should have been...I quess the fact it said Muscle Machine, I got half of it right, the Machine Part, but No MUSCLE... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif...Kasey

[olredalert]

------WOW!!! So many of our members up for the award! And one of their cars would certainly (IMO) be the best choice (except for a certain longroof). At this point its too tough to call. Maybe Ill vote 5 times??? Ach!!! That wouldnt help the eventual outcome a bit. Gonna have to think about this.........Bill S

[67rscoupe]

This is'nt the same as Muscle Car of The Year?
I'm confused.

[67rscoupe]

I just read that Wagon man's Z/28 convertible is double nominated.
Musclecar of The Year 2008
Muscle Machine of the Year 2008
Has any car won both of these awards before?
I voted for it,way to go Wagon Man

I voted for it!

[frank261]

I would say this must be a first for two awards. I have been around cars. The Wagon Man camaro is the best i have seen. Make shur every one needs to vote. VOTE 1968 Z/28 Camaro Convertible> I Voted for this camaro

[frank261]

Iam thinking if you have to Fix Operate Repair Daily You should vote for the other guy. Camaro will make very nice {Wallpaper}. Walking will make you legs hurt if you have to get to a car show and win. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif Huffy Rail Ridder http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Big Block Bill]

"And an original owner, untouched L78 Camaro."

How can you get any better than that! What is a post sedan any way? Happy Labor day Dan.

Bill Pankiw

[frank261]

Bill: I must be missing something!! I don't see an orginal owner, untouch L78 Camaro. How can you vote for L78? Frank261 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[frank261]

Iam sorry Bill I did not read all the info, Can you see to forgive me. I still think that the 1968 camaro Z/28 convertible should win. Frank261

[Steve Shauger]

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Iam sorry Bill I did not read all the info, Can you see to forgive me. I still think that the 1968 camaro Z/28 convertible should win. Frank261

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To each his own, but to vote for a replica/clone over an original owner survivor (real L78)?? My vote is for the survivor hands down. Although I'm kinda biased towards the unrestored survivors http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif Just doesn't get any better!

[frank261]

Steve you need to look at the whole picture. What looks better a fresh restored or a Unrestore? I know the 1968 Z/28 Camaro Convertible has got alot more public attention. One {Goodguys Muschttp://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l393/Fran1001/100_4245.jpgle Car of the Year Award}, Two {Hemming Muscle Machine Award} L@@K

[Steve Shauger]

Its interesting that over 10% of your posts have been pumping up and promoting this car.
As for this statement:
"What looks better a fresh restored or a Unrestore? I know the 1968 Z/28 Camaro Convertible has got alot more public attention."

My preference has always been unrestored survivors, however a close second is a correctly restored real car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[frank261]

Yes: But now not everyone has a unrestored car, not only that theres not enough restored to go around. Check this one out. Huffy Rail http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l393/Fran1001/ZL12.jpgRider http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Z-11 396]

To each his own, but to vote for a replica/clone over an original owner survivor (real L78)?? My vote is for the survivor hands down. Although I'm kinda biased towards the unrestored survivors http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif Just doesn't get any better!

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I agree on {{ Un. & Restored }} original cars, those are the ones to vote on, and support...If anything , a class for << clone or such >>we vote on differently..


It's a Dam shame when you got to a show and a clone win's over original car's, No way is that right, I can also go a step further to say the same for driven car's to trailer Queen's. but ** Real vs Made up ++, No, for voting them top Muscle car.....Kasey

[x Baldwin Motion]

"What looks better a fresh restored or a Unrestore?"


Well.........if we were comparing an original muscle car to a custom resto-mod ( I believe that is the correct term for the 68Z28, not a fresh restore) I would have to say the orginal factory muscle car with all it's original muscle equipment is more of a candidate for Muscle car of the year.
http://cll.hemmings.com/story_image/109266-500-0.jpg

I am also sure the Z28 is entitled to awards in it's own class.

However, Hemmings seems to leave the door open for anything...."So how do we determine which cars get to show up on the ballot? Several criteria are considered, the most obvious being the condition of the car. But then, we tend not to feature cars that aren't quite nice, so that doesn't always help all that much. The rarity of a certain car can factor in if other elements are in order, and sometimes just the story behind a featured muscle machine might sway us. Feedback from the readership in the form of e-mails and letters after the story on a particular car comes out can also have an influence.

The 12 cars from the 2008 issues we've published so far this year exemplify the range of reasons that land a feature car on the MMOY ticket, with some concours-restored cars, an original unrestored example, some factory skunk works specials, a couple drag racers, and even a never-was creation.

[frank261]

Ya know its to bad everybody has to be on diffrent ends of the Rope. We all would like to have a survivor. We are all trying to show are love for older Camaros and other cars. Can't we just get along and appreciate and respect each other TOYS. Huffy Rail Ridder http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

[wagonman]

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Ya know its to bad everybody has to be on diffrent ends of the Rope. We all would like to have a survivor. We are all trying to show are love for older Camaros and other cars. Can't we just get along and appreciate and respect each other TOYS. Huffy Rail Ridder http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

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very well put frank261 when you said"Can't we just get along and appreciate and respect each other TOYS"

us having different opinions is the whole beauty of this site!!!

i respect everybody's opinion here!

i dont frequent this site as much as others.but i do check in every once in a while...and when i do,it seems my car keeps coming up on here.....not necesarily in a negative way,but not usually positive either.

i would like to thank my P R person frank 261...lol....

everytime my car receives an award,whether its locally or nationally,it has been a bumpy ride! many many opinions,comments and views.....it has been a learning experience for me.i have met many great people.some very high profile.....

my car was nominated for the goodguys musclecar of the year award and hemmings muscle machine award not by me,but by our fellow car brothers and sisters.we all know cars.....we should all learn from eachother....

we all have our own opinions or idea's of what the best muscle car or muscle machine may be...

and we all shall respect eachothers opinions.....

the muscle machine nomination and the muscle car nomination will be very very interesting to see the outcome......this may give all of us an idea of what the general car enthusiasts considers to be the ultimate muscle machine.

lets respect their opinion as well....

John.............


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[jasonL78]

I voted for Jim Houses original 69 Camaro SS L78 with 22,000 original miles. I was fortunate to see the car in person and it is a time capsule. He is the original owner of this beauty and it had to be real hard to hold onto this car for all these years. How many did and how many wish they held onto one of there original muscle cars? He also drives the car to all the local shows! Don’t get me wrong I like the concourse show cars but they are really 2 different classes in my opinion. But when it comes down to the muscle car of the year it is up to the public. Just my 2 cent’s!

[njsteve]

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Ya know its to bad everybody has to be on diffrent ends of the Rope. We all would like to have a survivor. We are all trying to show are love for older Camaros and other cars. Huffy Rail Ridder

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Frank, in all seriousness, and I dont mean this as an insult, but is English a second language for you? If it is, I can understand all the typos. But your writing style leaves me with the same eyeball headaches that are only surpassed by that guy who used to post here in all-caps.

What is a Huffy Rail Ridder anyway? Do you mean a Huffy Rail rider, i.e. you ride an old 1960's Huffy Rail Chopper style bicycle? Or do you rid the world of Huffy Rail Chopper bicycles?

If you're a rider, I am with you man:

This is my original owner 1970 Raleigh chopper I got for my 8th birthday:

This is now:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/nk15268a/chop5.jpg

This is in November, 1970

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/nk15268a/bike2.jpg

[x Baldwin Motion]

Steve, I think the Huffy Rail was a genuine wannabe. The Raleigh and the Schwinn were the real McCoy.

http://www.geocities.com/chopperama/toms69rail.jpg

Frank, you got one of these? Lets see your ride!!

[frank261]

I have one of each. My huffy Rail is unrestored 1969 with the city sticker. Also have a 1970 stingray in parts. I will get a photo of my 1969 w/5speed. Do have a good restorer that you could recomend? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif Huffy Rail Rider

[Canada George]

Huffy,

If you mean for your '70 vette I would recommend John Scholz; I'll bet he could make you a beautiful Motion (even Baldwin if you want) LS7 Supercar. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[frank261]

Well Mr Know-it-All L88Vetter Moumty Hear a PhoTo of my 1969 ZL1 Camaro.http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l393/Fran1001/S3010133.jpg http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[njsteve]

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I have one of each. My huffy Rail is unrestored 1969 with the city sticker. Also have a 1970 stingray in parts. I will get a photo of my 1969 w/5speed. Do have a good restorer that you could recomend? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif Huffy Rail Rider

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You mean the City Slicker? Was that the neat extra shifter handle that activated the rear brake to leave a big black patch of rubber on the street?

I restored mine myself. There are rather easy to do. I used a wire brush and drill to strip the frame. The main expense was rechroming and polishing the stainless. As for paint, it turned out that when the paint store did the photo analysis of the color, it was a dead on match for 1970 International Truck Schoolbus Yellow. I had them make it up into individual spray cans since I don't have a spray gun or compressor. There are a lot of people reproducing the decals and graphics for these bikes. But remember before removing or disassembling anything, always take a ton of photos, especially of any graphics. Place a ruler next to the decals in the photo - so you can blow the photo back up to the right size if you're having a decal maker reproduce them for you.

Let's see the bike! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Frank, do the Huffy's have a single color or does it fade from one color to another like the photo above?

(Huffys were cool, my little brother had one)

[JimL78]

I read Steve's post right after he had written it. I remembered reading about his awesome car, so I decided to vote for it. After going to Hemmings and scrolling down to find his car, I saw my car. I recognized it immediately LOL. I told my wife about it and she jokingly said that I should vote for my own car. That way I wouldn't get skunked. Sorry Steve, I did vote for my own car. I'm proud to think that the Hemmings editors thought enough of my car to nominate it. Every one of the cars on the list deserves to be there. I wish I could vote for every one of them. Whether the cars are original, restored or manufactured, everyone of them is beautiful in its own unique way. Even though Chevrolet is my favorite, I still like the other manufacturers also. It would be a boring world if we couldn't race and beat the other manufacturers with our Chevrolets. Car owners are proud of their cars or they wouldn't keep them in the condition that they do. Hemmings chose this group of cars because they thought they were the best choice from each magazine. The Ranchero was at Musclepalooza on Sunday. Although I did not get to talk to the owner, he keeps the car in beautiful shape. I was glad that I got a chance to see it. As for my car(the one I was only going to keep for a year) I'm awfully glad that I hung onto it so that the people who weren't there could see how they were originally built. No matter which car wins, it will be the people's choice and good luck to all.
Jim

[njsteve]

Jim, Don't lose any sleep over it. (I voted for your car too http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[frank261]

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I have one of each. My huffy Rail is unrestored 1969 with the city sticker. Also have a 1970 stingray in parts. I http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l393/Fran1001/HuffyRail.jpgwill get a photo of my 1969 w/5speed. Do have a good restorer that you could recomend? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif Huffy Rail Rider

[/ QUOTE ] Hear my unrestored Huffy Rail Bike

You mean the City Slicker? Was that the neat extra shifter handle that activated the rear brake to leave a big black patch of rubber on the street?

I restored mine myself. There are rather easy to do. I used a wire brush and drill to strip the frame. The main expense was rechroming and polishing the stainless. As for paint, it turned out that when the paint store did the photo analysis of the color, it was a dead on match for 1970 International Truck Schoolbus Yellow. I had them make it up into individual spray cans since I don't have a spray gun or compressor. There are a lot of people reproducing the decals and graphics for these bikes. But remember before removing or disassembling anything, always take a ton of photos, especially of any graphics. Place a ruler next to the decals in the photo - so you can blow the photo back up to the right size if you're having a decal maker reproduce them for you.

Let's see the bike! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Frank, do the Huffy's have a single color or does it fade from one color to another like the photo above?

(Huffys were cool, my little brother had one)

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[olredalert]

------Im struck by the fact that the owners of the two Camaros we are talking about are not only NOT arguing about which car is best but seem to genuinely like the others car. Others who dont have a car on the list seem more inclined to place one over the other. Get over it,,,They are all great and I believe that all the owners are ecstatic over just being on the list. We should just be happy for them all, and reflect on how awesome it is that our forum has sooooo many contenders!!!!!.......Bill S

[Xplantdad]

Very well said Bill!

[frank261]

Bill: I agree 100%. We are all into old cars and should respect the fact that there are alot of very nice car out hear. Frank261

[ANDY M]

Note to Steve and Frank: Type your posts in MS Word so that the spell check can fix any mistakes you might make. In addition, use the grammar check as well. Then you can cut and paste without worries. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif
As somebody with a degree in English, let me tell you that both of you would be in detention. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I have learned to control my anger at the improper uses of "hear" instead of "here", and "there" when "their" is what you mean. Also, learn the differance between "then" and "than". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Steve, we have had this talk before. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

"Well Mr Know-it-All L88Vetter Moumty Hear a PhoTo of my 1969 ZL1".
Frank, I will be the first to admit that my typing skills suck, but please, try to do a little proof reading first. I'm certain that you don't talk the way you type. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif
I beleive that a little time spent checking your posts will stop any more outbursts like this. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif

[69Tom]

Andy, I work at a large law firm in NYC and you'd be amazed at what I see. There are quite a few people around here who think they are incredibly intelligent (they prove this by being condescending towards pretty much everyone), yet literally do not know the difference between "your" and "you're." I can't tell you how many e-mails I've received containing a sentence as such: "Your wrong. The correct way...." It's unbelievable.

With that said, back to the cars...! Although I think they're all incredible, it's down to the black Nova and the sleeper '69 F85 for me, I believe.

[njsteve]

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Frank, my bike was in much worse shape than that. All of the rusty areas look to be on the stainless metal - the chain guard, sprockets, mud guards, spokes, rims, etc. Just using 0000 grade steel wool polishes that stuff right off. Use a little chrome polish with the steel wool and you would be amazed at the results. I would just degrease and keep the purple frame as is. It looks fine. As for the seat, I have seen repro seats in that style on various websites, like ebay. Nice bike!

[njsteve]

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Andy, I work at a large law firm in NYC and you'd be amazed at what I see. There are quite a few people around here who think they are incredibly intelligent (they prove this by being condescending towards pretty much everyone), yet literally do not know the difference between "your" and "you're." I can't tell you how many e-mails I've received containing a sentence as such: "Your wrong. The correct way...." It's unbelievable..

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Now, to get completely segwayed into off-topic oblivion - My pet peeve is the mispronunciation of "height" as highth. Whenever I hear that on any one of those Speed TV tech shows, my hackles go up.

Here's an easy test: http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Interrogation Question 1: When you enter a room and it's dark, what do you turn on?

Answer: The light

Interrogation Question 2: If you are not wrong you are?

Answer: Right

Interrogation Question 3: When you go the doctor and he measures how tall you are, he measures your?

Answer: Height

Ok, enough of my inane ramblings. Everyone can now go back to misspelling and mispronouncing their postings as officially dictated by their individual, regional dialects.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[frank261]

This Post is like drinking a Heineken. Lets bring it up again!!! Get out a Vote Huffy Rail Ridder Frank261 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/BruceRocks.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Rixls6]

njsteve,
But what about the spelling of "segwayed"

[frank261]

Ya!!!Rix

[frank261]

Yo!! njsteve: What about the spelling Teacher http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

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This Post is like drinking a Heineken. Lets bring it up again!!! Get out a Vote Huffy Rail Ridder Frank261 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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drinking a Heineken + Huffy Rail Rider = .....this comes to mind http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

http://www.thebikebook.com/crash_images/wang1.jpg

[BARNFOUND YENKO]

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[Xplantdad]

Not to get too far off topic, but...

Segue

[ QUOTE ]
se·gue (sěg'wā', sā'gwā') Pronunciation Key
intr.v. se·gued, se·gue·ing, se·gues

Music To make a transition directly from one section or theme to another.
To move smoothly and unhesitatingly from one state, condition, situation, or element to another: "Daylight segued into dusk"

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And

Segway (http://www.segway.com/)

Steve has a pretty good handle of the English language. It's sometimes hard to read some of the other posts on here...but it's all part of life!

People have their strengths and weaknesses...it's all good! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

So far it is all fun but on a more sensitive note. Some people just don't spell correctly but I would hate for them to not want to post because of people getting on them about their spelling. Everyone is welcome to post even if you can't spell.

[wwchevy]

Thnak Yuo

[x Baldwin Motion]

It's not the spelling that bothers me. It's the PWI. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[frank261]

Hows about the people in space Lxiv http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[ANDY M]

I only correct grammar and syntax. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I use the spell checker every chance I can. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[frank261]

Good for you. Your teacher gives you an A+ for today http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

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Hows about the people in space Lxiv http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

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[frank261]

Hears a 1968http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l393/Fran1001/100_4245.jpg Camaro you can Vote for I did Frank261 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[coupeeznthru2]

HOW MANY 68 CAMARO CONV.SS. CORVETTE BRONZE,BLK STD INTERIOR,396/325H,TH400. WERE MADE(???) WHAT'CHA THINK THERE WORTH? #'S MATCHING??

[wagonman]

thank you frank 261

[ANDY M]

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HOW MANY 68 CAMARO CONV.SS. CORVETTE BRONZE,BLK STD INTERIOR,396/325H,TH400. WERE MADE(???) WHAT'CHA THINK THERE WORTH? #'S MATCHING??

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COULD HAPPEN. HOW MANY 68 'SS' CAMARO'S CONV, W/BB/396/325H/ TH400 CORVETTE BROZNE/BLK STD INTERIOR CARS WERE MADE (???) AND WHAT ARE THEY WORTH??

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ANYBODY

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ANYBODY http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Try starting a new thread. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

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I have to give you props for persistance, but please, get a clue. You've tried twice now to hijack a thread, and been ignorned. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[frank261]

Who do you thinhttp://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l393/Fran1001/100_5285.jpgk is Hijacking? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Johnny Horsepower]

very nice clone...............not a muscle car of the year......... do you have a financial interest in this car? Cause you post ad-nauseum about it. Are you building something with dangerous and annoying fake docs too?

[1969l78]

Agree nice clone---- but no way is it muscle car of the year just my .02

[frank261]

I have seen it happin before. Never say Never. Al Maynard seem to like the car to want to sign the glove box!!! Frank261 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

[Bergerz28]

My 1968 BergerZ28 was in the running 2006, there are many great cars and restorations, but no matter how good a car may be bottom line its a clone ! Like plastic surgery, are those real, yeah real fake.

[njsteve]

Well, if you put it that way, I've always followed the Golden Rule:

If you can touch them, they're real! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[frank261]

That is well put, If you can touch them they are real. Even if its a Clone http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[RamAirDave]

MCOTY?

I don't know how much "pedigree" is involved with the selection, but it has been the most discussed/debated car (with the most notoreity/attention) of the last year.

[frank261]

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[frank261]

Muscle Car of the Yearhttp://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l393/Fran1001/100_4243.jpg Frank261 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[DarrenX33]

It is time to lock this thread? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[m22mike]

I second that

Mike

[mockingbird812]

This WAS a fun thread when Steve introduced it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

Can you think of anything else we could lock? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

"...It is time to lock this thread?..."

"...I second that..."

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Please, please let me be the third!!!

And does Frank know the Wagonman personally...or are they the same guy?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
~ Pete

[Xplantdad]

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Can you think of anything else we could lock? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

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Request sent... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

It's too bad though...

[Steve Shauger]

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"...It is time to lock this thread?..."

"...I second that..."

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Please, please let me be the third!!!

And does Frank know the Wagonman personally...or are they the same guy?.

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~ Pete

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Just lock the idiot out, rather than the thread! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

He just someone who acts as an antagonist and adds nothing to the forums http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Mr70]

Nice letter to the editor on page 46 of Oct.HMM. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
Z/28 Nova.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[Xplantdad]

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"...It is time to lock this thread?..."

"...I second that..."

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Please, please let me be the third!!!

And does Frank know the Wagonman personally...or are they the same guy?.

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~ Pete

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Just lock the idiot out, rather than the thread! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

He just someone who acts as an antagonist and adds nothing to the forums http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

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Since he couldn't take a hint...I don't think you'll have to worry about him any more... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[1969l78]

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"...It is time to lock this thread?..."

"...I second that..."

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Please, please let me be the third!!!

And does Frank know the Wagonman personally...or are they the same guy?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
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Maybe they are brothers, he has some intrest in the car-anyway I 15th the motion http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[302moz]

I agree 100 percent with PACEME and the other guys lock these idiots out for good.Frank261 does not belong on this board.Maybe there is a web site for clone lovers.Wagonman and Frank could start there own site. This is the best site on the net and these two do nothing for it. John

[Charley Lillard]

Lets not blame wagonman for Frank's actions. I have met Wagonman and his car is very well done. You can't blame him because someone wants to give him awards.

[Steve Shauger]

Just for clarification, my last post was not directed at wagonman. I may have a difference of opinion with him, however he seems like a good guy. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/CharleySucks.gif

[Tenney]

Granted, he didn't bring much in the way of a finesse game, but seems a shame to toss Frank just for digging a clone - even HMM might want to give it an award, and who's canceling their subscription?

Plus, if it doesn't win, can always whip up some cool stuff that says it did, right?

[x Baldwin Motion]

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.... even HMM might want to give it an award,......

Plus, if it doesn't win, he can always whip up some cool stuff that says it did, right?

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too funny, even before coffee!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[m22mike]

Good one Tenny http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Big Block Bill]

Parts car of the year maybe ?

[Steve Shauger]

Although some of us are of the opinion it doesn't qualify, there is no need to trash the car. Lets get back to the original intent of this thread.

[njsteve]

I forgot what the original intent of the thread was? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Oh, now I remember... it was a get out the vote thread. By the way, the voting is now closed so I guess we have to wait a month to see who won.

By the way the new Hemmings MuscleCar Calendars are out. I just bought my copy and few more for Christmas gifts.

http://www.hemmings.com/store/detail_calendars.html?product_id=1377&source=CALE8 198

[Xplantdad]

The April shot is from too far away! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[mockingbird812]

Hey Steve - congrats on making the calendar! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Big Block Bill]

"What looks better a fresh restored or a Unrestore?"


"Well.........if we were comparing an original muscle car to a custom resto-mod ( I believe that is the correct term for the 68Z28, not a fresh restore) I would have to say the orginal factory muscle car with all it's original muscle equipment is more of a candidate for Muscle car of the year. "

I was not trashing the car, it looks like a true work of art. I just dont't see how a car that never was, that started out as a bunch of (rare) parts, could be a candidate for a Muscle Car of the year award. Sorry to offend anyone if I have.

Bill

[Big Block Bill]

Steve, Clear out your PM, It's full

Bill

[wagonman]

What is going on here?………
Wow I’m completely and utterly speechless at what I’m reading!

If you ask me this board should be titled Supercar/Musclecar Discusting Board!


First I must say there are a few good people on here that I have met. But generally speaking, as a group, you guys sound disgusting. You children should be ashamed of yourselves!

I won’t throw darts at anybody directly but one thing is certain:

Frank 261 and Wagonman is not the same person! We are not related, and only know each other from this board!

I’m sorry Frank for dragging you into this, but your enthusiasm and love for my car has brought onto your shoulders some of the burden I have faced on this site! I truly feel it has been unjustified that they are talking about locking you out in this site and calling you and I idiots. It seems that being a sYc member and sending in a donation carries no meaning and therefore receives zero respect or protection from other members or even non-members.

Another comment has been made that “this site is not for clones or people that love them” so perhaps I am due a refund of my $$$ donation…..I will go away.
My car pop’s up on this site without my knowledge. It keeps popping up time and time again!

“Parts car of the year?” Ok that was funny I must admit!!!

Perhaps it should be “parts you wanted but didn’t get car of the year!”

I did not nominate this car for muscle car of the year and muscle machine of the year. Your piers did! If it wins get over it! If it loses, be glad…You seem to care about it more than the owner itself. I built this car for a reason. I wanted to, and it can be done. We all know what’s going on….I know some of you guys have fake cars….docs……I just admit mine are fake!
I’m the good guy! Remember?

In another thread my car is mentioned again, Colin Comer mentioned that my car with its fake docs,stamps etc is happening and needs to be recognized in any purchase. Do I have the only car on here with fake docs?

I consider my mission accomplished. I got the word out nationally and perhaps globally.

To me, that alone makes my car worth millions…………

After i get my flux capacitor fixed on my PQ2000 cloning machine i will start on my next project.

My 1970 LS6 Nova....... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[ANDY M]

Go for it, John! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif
Sadly, you won't be the first to build one, but I will bet that yours will surpass all of the others. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
I hope that you hang around here, you have the kind of knowledge that this site is famous for. The guys giving you greif, not so much, just hostile attitude.
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[PeteLeathersac]

Wagonman...

The disrespect part is no doubt wrong but you've landed on a site where real cars and documents still mean something to a lot of members and to seemingly change positions of why you built the car and make statements like the one below from July make you and your car harder to accept..
The last part w/ the warning to us is especially hard to swallow...or forget!.

Again everyone's free to do as they please but personally I can't help but feel your talents and money could be spent on better things?.

If you make a Z16 ragtop, 70 LS6 Nova or whatever else and just let them be the cool cars you created without partaking in the deceiptful paperwork and hokey document game that many here despise, it wouldn't be surprising if there was a waaaay different attitude towards you and your cars around here?!

Best to you...and Frank!.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete



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#347934 - 07/13/08 06:28 PM

"...as far as being flip flop.i will continue to do so.....I'm not running for office so my character can be shady if i may choose.I may just display all without any remorse.

thank you for letting me see the light without any guilt.....

Wait till you see my next project it may be,

a Z16 convertible

L79 67 nova.

ZL1 69 camaro....

but perhaps i wont say anything on whats fake or not....

WATCH OUT!!!!!!! ..."

[Big Block Bill]

“Parts car of the year?” Ok that was funny I must admit!!!

"I was not trashing the car"

I am glad to see you have a sence of humor. I meant what I said before, : "It looks like a true work of art"

I am not against any one building a Clone, that's probably the only way some of these cars will ever be used as they were intended to be used on a daily basis. I just don't see how your car could have been nominated in the first place, that's just my opinion, mine alone. I am not trying to get off track here, it is just not my opinion of what I perceive as a "Muscle Car". Now that the voting has been closed, I guess we will have to see what happens. Enjoy your car, you should be proud of all the discussion it has brought to the board.

Bill Pankiw

[njsteve]

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Steve, Clear out your PM, It's full

Bill

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All cleared out. Thanks for the alert.

[x Baldwin Motion]

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Z/28 Nova.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

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Dennis, you haven't seen this ???


http://images.superchevy.com/features/nova/sucp_0709_16_z+1969_chevy_nova_z28+front_view.jpg


http://images.superchevy.com/features/nova/sucp_0709_01_z+1969_chevy_nova_z28+rear_view.jpg

( I heard it's got docs too !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif )

[wagonman]

Andy M: thank you..

PeteLeathersac :you may want to go back and re-read that thread before you step on your foot.

hint: listen to charley's post.....

[Charley Lillard]

Everyone lighten up please.......

[wagonman]

The below post is completely un called for.....


You guys are saying your only being negative to cars that have fake docs………?

This post just completely shot that statement down…..

Collectively you may want to get together and figure out an understanding that negative post are a no no……


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Nice letter to the editor on page 46 of Oct.HMM. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
Z/28 Nova.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

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Dennis, you haven't seen this ???


http://images.superchevy.com/features/nova/sucp_0709_16_z+1969_chevy_nova_z28+front_view.jpg


http://images.superchevy.com/features/nova/sucp_0709_01_z+1969_chevy_nova_z28+rear_view.jpg

( I heard it's got docs too !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif )

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[wagonman]

Charley? can you close the thread please?

[wagonman]

Thank god I’m not in that calendar!

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I forgot what the original intent of the thread was? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Oh, now I remember... it was a get out the vote thread. By the way, the voting is now closed so I guess we have to wait a month to see who won.

By the way the new Hemmings MuscleCar Calendars are out. I just bought my copy and few more for Christmas gifts.

http://www.hemmings.com/store/detail_calendars.html?product_id=1377&source=CALE8 198

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