COPO on Ebay

[HiHorse]

Anybody have info/ history on this car, my buddy is interested web page (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260285063055#descripti on)

[mockingbird812]

"CAR HAS ...,REAR LIQUID TIRE CHAIN" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Throw in the snow tires and I'm in! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[1railman]

I'm only 20 minutes from Greencastle, never heard of car. That would be a nice car completed. I would go see about car but there is no contact info and it looks as though he is posting everyones contact information for the world to see, with no real response as how to get in touch with them.

[Dog427435]

V75 Traction compound and dispenser was only on 188 cars!

[markinnaples]

Wonder why the floor boards are that blue color?

[firstgenaddict]

I believe there was a discussion a month or so back on TC... the car appears to be legit and based on what I saw and read + JM's cert... I would have NO PROBLEM buying it. A RS/COPO in Burnished Brown would be Killer... I don't think I have ever even seen a BB RS... If it turns out to be a 9737 car as well then all the better.
Probably cost 70k to send it to a shop and have it done... base your number accordingly...

[HiHorse]

Owner of the COPO claims the rear end is original and original gear ratio is 3:31

[m22mike]

That would be a first http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Mike

[m22mike]

I don't think I have ever even seen a BB RS...

Look here

http://rides.webshots.com/album/303275569gBvjXz

Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JChlupsa]

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I don't think I have ever even seen a BB RS......

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and then two of the best anywhere around
http://www.yenko.net/features/2003/July2003.htm
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/235201/an/0/page/0#235201

[MosportGreen66]

BB RS meaning Burnished Brown... not BBC (?)

Just my thoughts.

[showyourauto]

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"CAR HAS ...,REAR LIQUID TIRE CHAIN" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Throw in the snow tires and I'm in! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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First time I've seen this setup, now my favorite weird mucle car option, right behind the Mercury Cougar two-speed rearend.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

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Owner of the COPO claims the rear end is original and original gear ratio is 3:31

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I asked if it had a BE rear and he stated it was a BT rear...

[showyourauto]

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I don't think it was coincidence that the Great Depression happened during Prohibition...


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A paradox, I thought alcohol is a mood altering depressant drug. Anyone for http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif?
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[HiHorse]

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Owner of the COPO claims the rear end is original and original gear ratio is 3:31

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I asked if it had a BE rear and he stated it was a BT rear...

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Yes the owner says the rear is a BT which would be a 3:55, not a 3:31 as I posted earlier.

[firstgenaddict]

Burnished Brown is what I meant... thanks Mike... that car is BA...

[HiHorse]

Car is at $40,000.....how much further can it go?

[NovaMob03]

Aren't there only 6-7 RS copo's known to exhist? This is probably the only B Brown one so that makes it exceptionally rare. It wouldn't surprise me if it hit 60K...another 80 to restore it & you're still under 150

[Donutblue]

The race is on

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h170/Donutblue/three-stooges.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Stefano]

There is at least one other documented Burnished Brown COPO RS Camaro sold out of Frost Chevy, in Mechanicsburg Ohio.

[Charley Lillard]

There are pics of it here on the site somewhere. It was owned by a member.

[Born30YrsLate]

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There are pics of it here on the site somewhere. It was owned by a member.

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On the first page of this topic m22mike posted a link to some pics on the car

[coupeeznthru2]

COULD GO AS MUCH 55G'S THEN SPEND ANOTHER 55G'S AND HOLD ON TO IT FOR A FEW YEARS THEN GET YOUR MONEY BACK AT @175G'S http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[coupeeznthru2]

55g'S THEN ANOTHER 55g'S IF YOU HAVE CONNECTIONS, THEN WAIT A FEW YEARS AND YOU HAVE A 175g PRICE TAG AND EVERYONE WANTING IT!

[Kurt S]

The trans was for sale a couple of years ago in OH. I put him on the trail of it, but looks like he hasn't got it yet.

[1railman]

SOLD ! $46269.69, I would say that was well bought. Was it a member here? THAT CAR WILL BE KILLER!

[HiHorse]

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The trans was for sale a couple of years ago in OH. I put him on the trail of it, but looks like he hasn't got it yet.

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Whoever bought it probably has a lead on the block to justify paying that kind of money.

[firstgenaddict]

It had a 50k buy it now this afternoon... but I figure a RS/COPO with the possibility of being a 9737 as well... it was well bought! The car will be killer and for right at 100k done... when was the last time you saw a professionally restored COPO for 100k?

[COPO]

Don't think there is any way that car could be "done" for $100K including the purchase price unless the new owner does quite a lot of work himself and/or has some really talented and generous friends. Correct original parts alone will be very pricey for that car. For example, a correct MN engine, dated trans and BE rear all re-done/rebuilt would likely be a minimum of $25K. 837 alt, 499 dist, 4346 carb, another $3-$4K, and on and on. I think parts only would run at least $50K for this car. With a pro #1 resto, I bet it will be closer to $150K done or more. Nonetheless, cool car and a reasonable price that someone could restore over time. Most people GREATLY under estimate how much it costs to properly restore a car especially if one of the top pro shops is handling the work and you want to use the correct parts. Quality costs a lot.

[1railman]

Could a RS COPO with restoration motor be bought for $175k?

[HiHorse]

At the end of the restoration you have approx. $150K into the car and a paper from JM that says its a COPO.

[P.J.]

If you have the money and you want a COPO you spend 150,000.and a lot a lot of work by that person
I bet that 150 is minimum you need to spend on the car If you restore it to its former glory.
PJ

[NovaMob03]

You have to buy what makes YOU happy. Burnished Brown is not a preferred color for most collectors & difficult to sell. I love the color, but would probably pass on a purchase & resto if I were going to flip it to make $$. The RS option makes this one special & I wish I'd had the $$ to bid on it. Can't wait to see it when it's done http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[68CamSS]

Whatever you think parts and labor will be, add 25k.

[COPO CARTEL]

I promise who ever bought that car will spend a grand total of 200K to do the car and do it correct, in that amount the purchase price of the car is included, sit down and do the math on the car and it adds up very quickly. Parts for the COPO cars are not cheap ie. motor, trans, rear, almost entire sheet metal, paint,original interior, X-11 goodies, radiator, minimum of 1,000 hours to do the car @ $50 per hour. Believe me when I say I have sat down and ran a complete list of parts to do a car. With that car you are doing a restoration around a trim tag. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Mr70]

Is anyone familiar with who that buyer is?
Curious with an ID name like Bergerbuy,maybe he knows something we don't..

[NovaMob03]

These days I see nothing wrong with a less than concourse restoration if it's for your enjoyment. Personally, I won't ever hunt the rare/expensive stuff to make 'em numbers correct again.
I think the new owner could spend another 80K or so & be very proud of this COPO when all's said & done. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[JChlupsa]

would bet its a Candian sold car since all the records I have only the Candian sold ones have that 650xxx as a VIN with this one being 650030

2 R/Green
1 D/Yellow
and the other 3 are unkown colors

[HiPerf]

The car is very close to this one,vin 649841 BDY 302149 711 61 E 05E X11D80 invoiced to Scuncio on 06/02/69.

[coupeeznthru2]

COULD HAPPEN. HOW MANY 68 'SS' CAMARO'S CONV, W/BB/396/325H/ TH400 CORVETTE BROZNE/BLK STD INTERIOR CARS WERE MADE (???) AND WHAT ARE THEY WORTH??

[coupeeznthru2]

ANYBODY http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[1railman]

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would bet its a Candian sold car since all the records I have only the Candian sold ones have that 650xxx as a VIN with this one being 650030

2 R/Green
1 D/Yellow
and the other 3 are unkown colors

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Maybe thats why it has the liquid tire chain.

[BARRY]

HI they say 75 copo camaros came to canada

[ANDY M]

I doubt that the car came from Berger. Ed C. had on his list the last Berger car as 649305. My car is 649339. There are 3 other cars I know of between these 2 VINs, 310, 311 and 313. All of them just happen to be 9737 cars. Perhaps because of the unique parts for the 9737 COPO, all of the COPOs built during that period were all double COPOs. Since my car is an 05D, and this BB car is an 05E, (which was a 4 day week due to the Memorial Day weekend), I'm going to guess that it was built on Monday, May 26th.
The NICB said that my car was shipped on June 2nd, the Monday after the 3 day weekend.

[ANDY M]

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ANYBODY http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Try starting a new thread. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Stefano]

"all of the COPOs built during that period were all double COPOs."

Andy, there were plenty of COPOs built between 05D and 05E which were not double COPOs.

[ANDY M]

Stefano, just conjecture on my part. My point was that between cars 649305 and 649339, all 5 that I mentioned are 9737 cars. You are correct that there were a lot of 05D COPOs, but I'm sure you have a bigger list than I do. We know that they came down the line in batches, so it's not an argument, just an observation that I made about those 5 cars. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
BTW, how many 05E cars do you know of? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[HiHorse]

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would bet its a Candian sold car since all the records I have only the Candian sold ones have that 650xxx as a VIN with this one being 650030

2 R/Green
1 D/Yellow
and the other 3 are unkown colors

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VIN was verified as not being Canadian sold.

[COPO PETE]

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would bet its a Candian sold car since all the records I have only the Candian sold ones have that 650xxx as a VIN with this one being 650030

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Jeff. Not aware of any Canadian cars having any body #'s in the 302060 range. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Kool car though when it's done!
Peter

[bergy]

Hi guys - I purchased the burnish brown copo on ebay. Just thought that I'd satisfy some of your curiosity. I'm tracking down a couple of real good leads on motor and trans. Please feed me any additional info. I've been a member for some time - just not active recently. Some of you may recall that I posted photos of my other copo - forest green, one owner, always garaged, POP, out of Michigan - a few years ago. I'm a collector, not a flipper - I'll do the car justice in restoration. Regards, Bergy

[Donutblue]

Nice buy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif It would be great if you can keep the camera at the ready and lead us through your restoration. Hope you marry up the original drive train.

[firstgenaddict]

We all can't wait to see the progress... nice ride with GREAT options.

[MosportGreen66]

Bruce... good luck in the restoration! Post photos of your green car!

-Dan

[bergy]

Thanks for the comments. By the way...my fathom green car was probably built on the same day as the burnish brown car (sequence # 302262 vs 302060). Probably the last day of 05E. I tried to post a photo of completed green car, but file is too big. Anyone know how to reduce the file size?

[bergy]

here it is - had to take another picture. Regards, Bruce

[MosportGreen66]

That Bruce, is perfect!

[Unreal]

Did X11 COPO's get the pinstripe?

[William]

Short answer is yes unless another stripe was ordered, such as D90 or DX1.

Factory ordering info states one stripe per car; Z/28s with style trim did not have the D96 pin stripes. But Z10s and Z11s had both - go figure.

[1railman]

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Hi guys - I purchased the burnish brown copo on ebay. Just thought that I'd satisfy some of your curiosity. I'm tracking down a couple of real good leads on motor and trans. Please feed me any additional info. I've been a member for some time - just not active recently. Some of you may recall that I posted photos of my other copo - forest green, one owner, always garaged, POP, out of Michigan - a few years ago. I'm a collector, not a flipper - I'll do the car justice in restoration. Regards, Bergy

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GOOD DEAL! Keep us posted,That car will be nice. Congrats!

[CJP_69]

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The car is very close to this one,vin 649841 BDY 302149 711 61 E 05E X11D80 invoiced to Scuncio on 06/02/69.

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Bruce,
Your numbers are so close to my brown car(posted above) that it piqued my interest. NICB lists the selling dealer as Ewing Chevrolet, Canton OH.

Production Date: 05/29/69
Invoice #: FN30171
Invoice Date: 06/03/69
Dealer Code: 28168 (Ewing Chevrolet,Canton OH)

Good luck on the resto.

Regards- Chris http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Unreal]

William,
So X11 COPO's got pinstripes. Didn't Yenko order a few COPOs with Style trim? How did he deal with the pinstripes on those X11 COPOs? Remove them?

[firstgenaddict]

Yenko's are X66's (first 50) and if I not mistaken the remainder are X44's.

[William]

Yes there were a few style trim Yenkos. The famous photo of the back lot shows a yellow one. I do not know what they did with the pin stripes.

[Stefano]

My Silver X11 COPO had the black Pinstripes.

[x Baldwin Motion]

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Yes there were a few style trim Yenkos. The famous photo of the back lot shows a yellow one. I do not know what they did with the pin stripes.

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http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/512/Yenko_storage_lot.JPG

[firstgenaddict]

The HO car in the photo has the pin stripes...

[camarojoe]

That was actually a discussion a few of us had at SCR11... Brian Potter has an X11 hugger orange Yenko currently in restoration, and we were discussing how it likely would have been sold when new. My personal belief is that the X11 stripes would have remained, in addition to the Yenko stripes, which would have been up on the body high enough to not interfere with the painted on pinstripes. I have absolutely no proof or verification of this, I just can't see someone at Yenko sanding off/buffing pinstripes... I'd guess the guys who were hastily striping the cars just pulled a stripe kit off the shelf that matched the factory pinstripe color and had at it... then again i could be totally wrong, which wouldn't be the first time... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kurt S]

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I'm tracking down a couple of real good leads on motor and trans. Please feed me any additional info.

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Bruce,
I assume you have the lead on the trans that I provided to Steve. Let me know if you need more info on it.

[Schonyenko2]

It only takes a second to buff off an original factory pinstripe. They were just laying on top of the laquer paint. No real adhesion. Alot of them were accidently buffed off by people who got aggressive with their waxing. 10 minutes and a old Sioux buffer, and you'd never know they were ever on the car.

[enio45]

As Joe stated above, my x11 yenko car also has an orig pic (around 1970) showing the pinstripes on the car with all its race decals etc.

[bergy]

Thanks for the info! I spoke to Dave Ewing (former owner of the delivering dealership) and he hooked me up with his former manager of the high performance area of his dealership. The manager remembered ordering my burnish brown car because of the unusual color and the RS option (he delivered a dozen or so copo Camaros). He even remembers the original customer who bought it! He's still around andI'll be speaking to him this weekend. Thanks guys for all of your help and encouragement with my "project". Bruce
p.s. the high performance manager said that he tried to talk the customer out of ordering a console because it was useless weight that would slow the car down! I'm glad that the customer prevailed in the negotiations.

[CJP_69]

Glad the info worked out for you.

Any other known Ewing copos on the board?

[mockingbird812]

Bruce,

Did yr car come out of Ewing Chev. in Canton, OH?

Sam

[m22mike]

Sam
yes,that Ewing, go back to pg6. last post NCIB info is there.

Bruce
Always herd stories about a BB COPO out of Ewing from the local Canton boy's, nobody knew what happened to it ...now we know.
Your car most likely had this little Gem of a sticker on the windshield http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/copo002.jpg

This was on a 17k mile Ewing COPO Camaro I restored for a local collector.

Mr. Chevy ,Rich here had some of these made, I think, Rich are you there ??
When you start working on this COPO you are required by sYc law to post a crap load of photos, in a thread that you start, on it's progress http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
We will be watching.
Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Testors has a kit where you can print waterslide decals on your computer... wonder if it works... would be cool to have the decal on the BB RS COPO...

[mockingbird812]

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Testors has a kit where you can print waterslide decals on your computer... wonder if it works... would be cool to have the decal on the BB RS COPO...

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There are those among us that can do one better http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif !

[Xplantdad]

Yep...and we all know who he is! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[m22mike]

There are those among us that can do one better http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif !

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What a wise guy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Kurt S]

Interesting, the trans was for sale just a few miles away from Canton. Wonder when it got separated from the car....

[bergy]

Thanks for the info on the Ewing sticker Mike. I spoke to the original owner of my car today, He is sending me photos of the car when it had 25 miles on it! I'll post them when they get here. He had many neat stories - took the car to the track with slicks - no tubs - and his best run was 11.84. He kept the time slip in his wallet for years (wish he still had it!). Listen to this - the reason that he ordered liquid tire chain was to convert the system to spray bleach at the track!

[m22mike]

Bruce
If you would, PM me the original owners name. I want to see if any of my cronies know of him.
Canton boys around here all seem to know each other.
Were all interested on any neat old stuff you score.

Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Mike

[HiHorse]

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Thanks for the info on the Ewing sticker Mike. I spoke to the original owner of my car today, He is sending me photos of the car when it had 25 miles on it! I'll post them when they get here. He had many neat stories - took the car to the track with slicks - no tubs - and his best run was 11.84. He kept the time slip in his wallet for years (wish he still had it!). Listen to this - the reason that he ordered liquid tire chain was to convert the system to spray bleach at the track!

[/ QUOTE ]Original owner offer any info on the 355 rear?

[Mike Kaiser]

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Listen to this - the reason that he ordered liquid tire chain was to convert the system to spray bleach at the track!

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Wow! that is really cool, I was wondering http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[Steve Drueck]

Stefano, definitely confirmed. My 649811 is not a double COPO. Indian River Chev Cortez Silver 4 spd BDY 325184 05E bought new by Bill Turner, orig owner of my ZL-1 also. Have dealer invoice showing Headlight Washer System (non RS car!!) also VE3 bumper and Rosewood Wheel

[bergy]

go to "restoration of burnish brown Camaro" thread for more on this car

[lwkitt427]

GREAT WORK KEEP ALL OF US HERE ON THE SITE POSTED AS THE CAR GOES FORWARD WITH RESTO.