68 yenko

[terjohn]

does anyone know or have info on this yenko
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...d=p4506.c0.m245 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-YENKO-1968-YENKO-SUPER-CAMARO-REAL-YENKO-427-CAR_W0QQitemZ290266896847QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item2 90266896847&_trkparms=39%3A1|65%3A3|240%3A1308&_tr ksid=p4506.c0.m245)

thanks http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[FASTONE]

If anyone does know this car, I'm curious what that tag in the door jamb is that is rivited on below the YENKO tag. Is it a Tennessee re-assigned title?

[Charley Lillard]

The car was supposedly stolen in about 69 and recovered right away but the vin tag under the windshield is gone. That tag under the Yenko tag is a Tenn DMV assigned tag but it is supposed to have the same vin that was on the stolen tag. I was told it was for sale for 125K but the guy brokering it also needed something. Then I called the current seller who apparently was the broker but had since bought it and he said he had never heard of the 125K price and the price was 210K. I'm also told it was priced to someone else at 240K. Beside the engine and trans being gone the big items are the Yenko hood and the 140 speedo are also gone. Body looks nice and Corvette Bronze is a great color. It could be a great car when done.

[Xplantdad]

Ah yes...the ever changing price... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[YenkoYS100]

How would anyone here price it? What would it's market value be? Would anyone here (if they owned it), take a big hit on it because of the current economy status?

Just curious...........???? Not that I need it, I already have a Corvette Bronze '68 with an empty engine bay. LOL

[Xplantdad]

I guess anywhere from 125k to 240k... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[JoeG]

Said like a true politician Bruce.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[YenkoYS100]

Yeah.........made my curiousity clear as mud! LOL

[Xplantdad]

Hey Joe...long time no hear from... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

YenkoYS100...I really have no idea...I just think it's funny when the price fluctuates on a car...depending on who's asking...

[YenkoYS100]

Thanks Bruce! Cannot remember seeing any early Yenko projects sell in a long time.

[FASTONE]

[ QUOTE ]
How would anyone here price it? What would it's market value be? Would anyone here (if they owned it), take a big hit on it because of the current economy status?

Just curious...........???? Not that I need it, I already have a Corvette Bronze '68 with an empty engine bay. LOL

[/ QUOTE ]I was interested in the car, but with the VIN issue, I'm not even going to pursue it. Thats just me though

[YenkoYS100]

If it's a known car, the VIN is not really an issue, as long as all on car are legit. But, that's my opinion.

[427.060]

Didn't Legendary have a Corvette Bronze 68 Yenko for sale last year for $400K? I believe it was the one Bill Wertheim had restored. Anyone know what happened to that car?
James

[Charley Lillard]

I don't think there is any funny business going on with the vin. I was just pointing it out because the auction did not mention the lack of vin tag under the windshield or lack of the 140 speedo. Those are items I would be pissed to find out were missing if I bought the car and they were gone.

[enio45]

Charlie, James or Rick, any idea of what a fair value would be for this car? This car is 3 cars after my non converted car and same production date of 07E.

[Charley Lillard]

I don't want to speculate on it in today's uncertain economic times. Ebay should be a good value indicator if it sells.

[BARN FIND]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how long the current owner has had this car?

[Charley Lillard]

I believe it was owned by someone else on Oct 2nd when I was told about it at the Mecum auction.

[firstgenaddict]

When was the last time a 68 Yenko traded hands? Waht was the number?

[Charley Lillard]

Barrett-Jackson 2007, lot # 1298, 170,000.00 YS8021

[firstgenaddict]

and there we have it... back the numbers out... and deduct for the economy if you like...
I guess less than six figures is what it is worth...

[427freak]

Hey Charley
You didn't happen to get the rearend code did you? Thanks
Dana

ps Just guessing but I bet you couldn't buy YS 8021 for 170k + juice today http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[427.060]

I know Bill Wertheim sold his for more than $170,000, a lot more. His was YS-8051. I think it scored a perfect 1000 point at it's first show.
James

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll12/427060/CB08/pics/index.jpg

[firez]

I seen that car that Bob Harris and his shop restored at Camaro Specialties. Outstanding looking car in person. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Les Quam]

A current owner of a beautiful 68 Yenko Camaro has turned down 500K in real money from two different buyers as recently as labor day and I personally witnessed the rejection of the offers so it is not an unsubstantiated rumor. In terms of full disclosure I don't own a 68 Yenko Camaro.

[NovaMob03]

Why would '68's pull stronger $$ than 69's http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif $500K is huge http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
This '68 bids to 145K and looks like it needs another 100 to restore. That seems high to me, but I like that color and suppose if I had deep pockets, the price wouldn't matter.

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
Why would '68's pull stronger $$ than 69's http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

This seems to be common thinking, but personally I believe a better question would be "Why wouldn't they?" With 64 units built vs. 198 with every bit as many (often more) unique features as the 69's...they always were and always will be the rarer Yenko Camaro to own. Case in point...SCR11 featured about a dozen 69 Yenko Camaros but only ONE 68. This isn't unusual, I don't think I've EVER seen more than 2 or 3 in one place at one time, so there's no denying they're a more "exclusive" Yenko to own than a 69. I'll be the first to admit the 69 Camaro body is an overall better looking car than a 68, but there's no denying the coolness of a 68 sYc car with redline tires and fiberglass hood, and the rarity of them should make them at least as valuable as a 69 IMO. Same goes for documented 67 Yenko Camaros too, as far as that goes.

[Born30YrsLate]

...I had thought that because the '69 Yenko Camaros were the only factory 427 cars that would help balance out with the rarity of '67 and '68 which were engine transplant cars...

[csx289]

[ QUOTE ]
...I had thought that because the '69 Yenko Camaros were the only factory 427 cars that would help balance out with the rarity of '67 and '68 which were engine transplant cars...


[/ QUOTE ]

Fred, and my opinion was always just the opposite. The fact that '67 and '68 Y Camaros were actually converted at Yenko, by Yenko techs, and were a true dealer-built Supercar is what makes them more desirable than a Chevy-built '69 to me. Especially when a '69 Y Camaro is a decal and trim addition only to a COPO 427 car, yes, it is cool to have a factory installed motor in your Yenko but knowing that anybody in 1969 could walk into any Chevy dealer (not just Yenko) and buy essentially the same car takes away some of the uniqueness and special nature of the 67/68 cars.

In the case of the '68 cars, while I am not in general a huge fan of 68 Camaro (or many other 68 cars for that matter, seemed to be an off year in Detriot!), to me the 68 Yenko is a very special animal. It is the last year that Yenko actually built cars at Yenko Chevrolet (ie, converted them in the shop) but it is also the first year they used a special COPO package built by Chevy for Yenko on these cars. So you have a Chevy COPO L78 with a Yenko-installed 427 CE shortblock. Not a complete motor swap, just the basement http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Plus, as Joe pointed out, the cool 68 only "67 Shelby" style hood, 68 only Pontiac Rally II wheels, and the lowest production numbers of all 3 years with 64 cars built.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love 69 Yenko Camaros as well and have owned a good number of them. And I sure as heck would love to own another and to add a '67 to the mix if I could find a good one with good paper. But there is a really good reason I have kept my '68 - I just think they are the most unique of all 3 years, the lowest # built, and I really like the COPO+Yenko build. And, being a Pontiac/Shelby guy the wheels and the hood make me feel like I am not cheating http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

As far as the eBay car....even a $100k resto won't bring back all the original stuff that is missing or replace the factory VIN tags. And I highly doubt you could properly restore that car with correct (replacement) components and all the unique '68 stuff for anywhere near $100k. I spent almost $100k freshening my car and it was a Camaro Nats Gold Concours winner in the late-1990's. For example, I had to buy 3 NOS SW 990 tach senders just to get one dated 3/68...let's not even talk about finding the right NOS smog or early '68 JA-code 14" Pontiac Rally II wheels with good lug holes! I think it took me 15 wheels to get 5 good ones.

I'm guessing the eBay car can't be bought for much under $200k, add to that maybe $150k in resto and parts, and somebody would have an awesome 68 in a great color - but always with the story on the VIN and lots of repo/replacement parts. Still, might be worth it for somebody that really wants a 68. Looks like a pretty solid old body.

Colin

[Unreal]

Anyone could walk into a Chevy dealer and order a COPO -- IF (big IF)they knew about it. Apparently few did as there were only about 1000 units built.

Same would be true about the 68 Yenko. With Yenko's network, you could walk into any Yenko dealer and buy one. Few did as only 64 were built.

I think the coolest 68s out there are COPO9737 L78s that did not get converted. I think I'd rather have one of those with its born with L78 driveline, than have a converted 427. But that's just me....I can't afford either. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
Plus, as Joe pointed out, the cool 68 only "67 Shelby" style hood, 68 only Pontiac Rally II wheels, and the lowest production numbers of all 3 years with 64 cars built.




[/ QUOTE ]

Not to pick nits, but 67 was actually the lowest production year for the Yenko Camaro.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/363694-ebay015.jpg

[csx289]

Joe,ummm, 107 +/- '67's and 64 +/- '68's...you teachers and your new math http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif You must be of the "less is more" school of thought?

As far as converted vs. non-converted 68's? I think the few non-converted cars are very cool and no doubt extremely rare. But for me, the whole reason to own a Supercar is to have that special part that makes it "Super" and in the case of Yenko Camaros it is the 427 engine.

I have to go now, because I think Ed Montini will be burning a cross in my yard soon LOL. Don't take it personally, Ed, I like non-converted cars a ton- just happen to like my 31 extra cubic inches and the fact that Yenko's guys spun wrenches on my car to put it in and make it a Yenko Super Camaro as opposed to a COPO L78 car.

I have my fire extinguisher ready for all the flaming I am about to get http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Colin

[camarojoe]

Heck, I'm just the art teacher... Counting isn't even in my job description. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I DO teach the "less is more" theory though... especially when dealing with Elmer's Glue and 5 year olds. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Chevy454]

Yeah, but...the '69s are faster! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

Coling...I appreciate your viewpoint...now you got me rethinking the entire situation...you're pretty good writer, you should write a book http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

quote "For example, I had to buy 3 NOS SW 990 tach senders just to get one dated 3/68..."quote

Do you have any of those extra SW tach senders laying around that you won't use?...I'm looking at picking one up sometime. I can just picture you buying a bunch of these and opening them up to see what's inside just like the kids in Charley and the Chocolate Factory looking for the golden ticket.

[JoeC]

There may be less 67s then 68s
Vince E. said 54 67s and 64 68s
I don't think his list has the Yenko Stompers but not many of them were built.

[PeteLeathersac]

[ QUOTE ]
Joe,ummm, 107 +/- '67's and 64 +/- '68's...you teachers and your new math http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif You must be of the "less is more" school of thought?

Colin

[/ QUOTE ]

Joe may be correct if you figure it out like this?.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJS8GszWJuQ

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif
~ Pete

[sYc]

Even though the Yenko paperwork clearly shows 107 VINs, 1967 Yenko Camaros (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/76007/an/0/page/0#Post76007) IMO, when it comes to such cars, the number built is not as important as the number of documented cars that exist today. Such as '69 Yenko Novas, 9 known to exist, how many built/sold 37, 40, ? The problem is some of the lists seem to contain both converted and unconverted cars, and of course factor in documented cars that are not on the list, then the number built/sold is really subject to debate. On the other hand, it is easier to get close to the number of documented cars known to exist. Of course Don did not help matters when questioned about numbers built.

[enio45]

Colin - no cross burning this weekend planned! I just appreciate to be able to be involved in the mix with all of you and the non coverted car. Its fair to recognise they are very rare cars with the proper pedigree etc.

Rest easy this weekend :-))

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
Colin - no cross burning this weekend planned! I just appreciate to be able to be involved in the mix with all of you and the non coverted car. Its fair to recognise they are very rare cars with the proper pedigree etc.

Rest easy this weekend :-))

[/ QUOTE ]

Great Ed...Now what am I supposed to do this weekend? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kim_Howie]

He didn't he wasn't coming NEXT weekend. Just not this weekend. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JoeC]

[ QUOTE ]
Even though the Yenko paperwork clearly shows 107 VINs, 1967 Yenko Camaros (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/76007/an/0/page/0#Post76007) IMO, when it comes to such cars, the number built is not as important as the number of documented cars that exist today. Such as '69 Yenko Novas, 9 known to exist, how many built/sold 37, 40, ? The problem is some of the lists seem to contain both converted and unconverted cars, and of course factor in documented cars that are not on the list, then the number built/sold is really subject to debate. On the other hand, it is easier to get close to the number of documented cars known to exist. Of course Don did not help matters when questioned about numbers built.

[/ QUOTE ]

That’s true but a lot of people ask how many were made as well as how many found.

If you research the 107 list, it becomes apparent that there is something seriously wrong with the first half. A few have been identified as not being 427 Camaros and the known documented early car is not on the list. The first half of the 107 list is just a vin list and is not a Yenko inventory list. Most of them are ghost cars with no information, no Yenko Stock number, no color, no dealer info, nothing.

This first half of the 107 list shown on here is all blank except for the vin.

I don’t think the 107 number is accurate for 1967 Yenko 427 Camaro Production. IMO

The second half of the 107 list is where the 54 Yenko 427 Super Camaros are with YS 7xx numbers and inventory info.

The known early car is YS 604 and is a March build. If you count all the vins between the last YS 6xx vin and the first YS 7xx vin there can only be a about 10 cars.

I have heard of a YS 606 so I use 6 as the min and 16 as the max. Add that to the 54 YS 7xx cars and I get between 60 and 70.

I believe Don exaggerated the 107 list for promotional reasons as he did on many other occasions.

A more accurate number for the 1967 Yenko 427 Camaro is
60-70 as far as I can tell.

[sYc]

Sorry Joe, I disagree.

First of all, have you seen Vince's paperwork from which he came up with the magic 57 number? And if in fact he has paperwork for 57 (which I do not think he does, as Warren has some of it), how can we be sure he has all of the information? You yourself said there are more then 57.

This list for '67 Yenkos that I have came from the Yenko estate and was verified by Donna Mae as legit, so IMO we have to accept it.

You can theorize all you want, but I like to stick to facts. Anytime one starts adding their own ideas into the mix, only muddies the water. I know of at least two “experts” who tried doing this, and now are involved in court cases. As I said on numerous occasions, I will let the paperwork speak for itself.

[Mr70]

I've always wondered how many of these were considered made.
Tom,are you saying you subscribe to the count of 107 for 1967's,or should it be more or less?

[sYc]

To tell you the truth, I have no idea, and I do not think anyone else does either. Do you go on what Don said, or Vince, or Warren, or Joe C., or "the list" of 107 I have? How do the non-converted cars fit in, are they Yenkos?

Case in point(s). Don said in an interview that he built 500 units in '69 , which seems to be Camaros, there is even a sign. We have numbers for 199-201 Camaros, would be closer to 500 if we added up all of the '69s, so who do we believe? I say 199 Camaros, 99 Chevelles, 40ish '69 Novas, with an * that there could be more, just have not seen proof yet. Same with the '69 Novas, the magic number was 37, but we know of one not on the list with bullet proof paperwork, so there goes that number. Yes, the car was sold non-converted, but so were others on the list. What does this info do to that list?

See where this is going?

I could have kept the info I had private, and just thrown numbers out as others have done, but felt it best for the hobby for me to go public. Makes for some very interesting discussions, but at the end of the day, we will always wind up back at square one, which is lots of ?????, but few answers.

This is why I say it is easier, and best, to simply list how many are known to exist.

[YenkoYS-199Stinger]

Very well put Tom,

I know on the Stingers, that everytime Don was interviewed, he gave a different # of cars he built. I have a letter from Don (on Yenko letterhead) to Joe Burch in Dallas (Joe owned many Stingers over the years)that states that he built 300 Stingers. There was never anywhere close to 300 Stingers. I know the Stingers are not the SuperCars, but the trail of "differences" in the quantity of cars built stays consistent.

[camarojoe]

as far as the photo of the 69 camaro with the "500th Unit Built" sign on it, don't be fooled into thinking that only meant camaros... I have another pic taken the same day, in the same Colonial Chevrolet showroom, with the same sign on top of a Yenko Chevelle. Personally I don't know if the sign meant ANYTHING, and may have just been some Don Yenko marketing BS to impress the media and the big shots at Colonial on that particular day, or it COULD have been reference to ALL 69 syc cars sold, or maybe even all cars sold by Yenko in general for 69 ( including pickups, station wagons etc) ... Who knows... I just know yenko wasn't above "padding" actual numbers or fudging the truth to make himself and his business seem even bigger than it was. - jb

[sYc]

[ QUOTE ]
as far as the photo of the 69 camaro with the "500th Unit Built" sign on it, don't be fooled into thinking that only meant camaros... I have another pic taken the same day, in the same Colonial Chevrolet showroom, with the same sign on top of a Yenko Chevelle. Personally I don't know if the sign meant ANYTHING, and may have just been some Don Yenko marketing BS to impress the media and the big shots at Colonial on that particular day, or it COULD have been reference to ALL 69 syc cars sold, or maybe even all cars sold by Yenko in general for 69 ( including pickups, station wagons etc) ... Who knows... I just know yenko wasn't above "padding" actual numbers or fudging the truth to make himself and his business seem even bigger than it was. - jb

[/ QUOTE ]

Yep...could be any of the above, or none of the above. Who knows?

[JoeC]

That is my point. Don Yenko did not agree with Don Yenko.
His numbers are all over the place. I am not saying anything negitive about DY as I am one of his biggest fans.

Luckly he did leave us a lot of material to research so we have to put it all together to see what could be possible.

My estimate of 60-70 is for 1967 "427" Camaros and is based on many other reasons. We know the 107 is not correct as some have been identified as not 427 cars and one found car is not on the list.

I believe the sign said 350 units and VE said 54 67s.
I'll have to check. We can't even get the numbers right today so how can Don http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[sYc]

I guess my biggest beef with throwing numbers around, such as "60-70" is once they are out there, they wind up in print, then everyone considers that as gospil, when in fact none of us know.

[camarojoe]

yes, it was 350th not 500th .... But I've already explained my own mathematical skills earlier in this thread! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[sYc]

[ QUOTE ]
yes, it was 350th not 500th .... But I've already explained my own mathematical skills earlier in this thread! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

But at least we did learn that 25 divided by 5 equals 14. Still LMAO at that video.

[Les Quam]

Can someone please tell me why I am trying to sell all my Mustangs to buy Chevy's? You guys just crack me up. 107,54,350,500 or who knows? Stop it your killing me.

Every time I look at my SAAC registry I am just so thankful we know exactly how many Shelby's were built.

Colin, when you sold me that red/red 68 L-78 M22 Camaro you blathered on and on about how the 68 Camaro was your favorite year? Now your not a fan of the 68? Thats some breaking news.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[csx289]

Les,
I never, not once, "blathered on and on" about how 68 Camaros were my favorite. In fact, I distinctly remember not even trying to sell you the car and you blathering on and on about how I should sell it to you. Perhaps you were confused about my enthusiasm for that PARTICULAR 68 Camaro that you have so far purchased a majority share of on the layaway plan? I do indeed think that red/red L78 M22 car with reams of paperwork is just incredible. Really great car and great HISTORY which sometimes (especially in Chevys) outweighs all else. Don't you agree?

My point was that in general (and in the marketplace) 68 Vettes, 68 Camaros, 68 Mustangs, even 68 AMX's are not as highly valued as the 1969 versions for some reason. Must be the magic of 1969, end of an era, something? So while I have never particuarly lusted after a 68 Camaro as I have after a Shelby Daytona Coupe, lets say, I sure can appreciate and will readily BUY a great example.

Just like my 68 Yenko, I feel it is special because the 68's are so unique, middle child and all.

Z/28's, for example, I would much rather have a 67 first year Z with cowl plenum induction, vent windows, etc than a 69 Z, even though many may disagree. I don't think many people would rather have a 68 Z than a 67 or 69, again, I have no idea why.

As far as the production numbers on Yenko Camaros, we know for sure (+/- a few perhaps?) what the numbers were in '68 and '69. '67, who knows, but obviously from this thread it seems like some think less and some think more http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif than what has been reported in the past. I agree, the number of known surviving cars is certainly quite low so it would make sense that there were not 107 converted cars built in 67. Do we have an accurate count of known cars as of this date? That would be interesting. Thank God for that list of '68 vins that is reasonably reliable, unlike what old Don tossed around for the '67's that seemed to have a fair amount of BS factored in for whatever reason http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Colin

[Born30YrsLate]

...let me get this straight...is it "less is more" or "Les is more"...more or less... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Can't beat a '67 with the stinger hood and corvette side exhaust!...

[sixtiesmuscle]

I agree with the '68 models being less favored than the adjacent years. Having lived through the aftermath of all the turmoil the country experienced in '68, I maintain that it is simply a year that most would like to forget. After riots & cities being burned following two major assassinations, the year was topped off by the Democratic convention in Chicago. More protests & police beatings. All in all, it was not a great year. 1969 seemed to turn the page, and, ushered in the "Summer of Love".

[PeteLeathersac]

Personally I too prefer 67 Camaros over 68's also really love stinger hoods on almost anything other than non '67 mid year 'Vettes..

But when it comes to Yenkos, the 68's w/ their 140 Speedo and MM tag make me lean their way to start with but those '68 hoods put me over the top so I'm weak in the knees for a '68 more than a '67 and would prefer either of them over a '69 anyday!.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
I agree with the '68 models being less favored than the adjacent years. Having lived through the aftermath of all the turmoil the country experienced in '68, I maintain that it is simply a year that most would like to forget. After riots & cities being burned following two major assassinations, the year was topped off by the Democratic convention in Chicago. More protests & police beatings. All in all, it was not a great year. 1969 seemed to turn the page, and, ushered in the "Summer of Love".

[/ QUOTE ]

Neat perspective Mike...I lived through it also...but I was only nine then...so my time was spent playing with Matchbox cars and building car models and then blowing them up http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Les Quam]

Colin,

You are quite the prolific writer and you are now attempting to re-write history much like you attempted to frame me for the brown skid mark someone left on the toilet seat of your motor home at the reunion. I say now as I said then if the brown skid mark doesn't fit you must acquit!

As I scan your webSITE I find no 69 muscle cars in your private collection but five muscle cars built in 1969 for sale. In fact going back to January of this year you had four or more 68 muscle cars in your private collection and again no 69s. If the 69 doesn't fit you must acquit!

All due respect to the summer of love guy. For those of us living on the north side of Chicago in 1969 it was the summer of hell as we watched our beloved Cubs blow a 10 game lead on the Mets and miss the playoffs. San Francisco and the summer of love seemed very far away that summer on the north side of Chicago.

[csx289]

Note to anybody reading this thread:

Never attempt to correct or respectfully disagee with a Federal Prosecutor. This applies to any and all subjects, including those in which the FP has been caught red-handed taking the Browns to the Superbowl in an area clearly marked "NO DUMPING", closely followed by the great Gatorade kidnapping of 2008 in which said FP was later seen selling discounted Gatorade at the SCR mere moments after stealing them while exiting the odiferous enviroment he created within victims toterhome.

As far as the lack of 1969 automobiles in my collection and the presence of "4 or more 68's", may I be so bold as to point out that I have a '69 A12 Road Runner, a '69 Boss 429 and a '69 GTO Judge convertible. For '68's, I have a '68 Y Camaro. Period. I previously owned, in January of this year, a '68 Mr Norms GSS 440 Dart and a '68 L78 Camaro, but I found some sucka from the nort side of she-cago to buy those two POS's http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

However, previously mentioned FP has missed the entire point of my '68 vs '67/'69 discussion - it pertained to Yenko Camaros and only mentioned other '68's as supporting evidence to an apparent communist plot to steer people away from anything produced in Detroit the year prior to the Cubs going down, the Democratic National Convention, or the Summer of Love in which a young Lester Quam was making a five year plan to shed his virginity.

Any further arguments presented from FP LQ shall be directed to my new legal counsel, NJ Steve. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Colin

[mockingbird812]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif I like it when you guys use all dem big words and are cuttin' each other down and stuff (at least I think you're cuttin' each other down http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif ).

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[Les Quam]

Former state and county prosecutor not federal. And I clearly pointed the brown skid mark out to you prior to me crossing the threshold of your latrine for the express purpose of not being blamed for it. Unfortunately I didn't have any gloves or container to get a stool sample to send out to the lab to protect my good name from this type of slander. Now I know how Barack feels?

As for your new charge that I feloniously guzzled all the gatorade out of your refrigerator I again stand falsley accused and now realize how O.J. feels.

In regard to missing your point I didn't know you made one among all that blathering. I have noticed however a marked difference in your grasp of reality since you locked yourself in your Griffith over the weekend and nearly died after not being able to escape.

[Mr70]

This is no way for the president of the CLFC to act.
















Wait a minute...yes it is. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[olredalert]

-----Les,,,Are you the same Les Quam that did some pretty serious ocean racing with your Dad back in the day???........Bill S

[Les Quam]

Bill,
Yes, we raced for about 11 years. The name of the boat was Flapjack #45. How did you know that?

[njsteve]

[ QUOTE ]
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif I like it when you guys use all dem big words and are cuttin' each other down and stuff (at least I think you're cuttin' each other down http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif ).

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As Colin's alleged Counsel of Record, I would advise anyone who may be desirous of my sesquipedalian proclivities to have the requisite monetary and/or collateral-based funding well in hand before considering the retention of my equally alleged legal prowess.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Les Quam]

Just the spector of being squashed like a bug in court by NJSteve has caused me to offer up the following plea bargain.
1. I will cop to the gatorade guzzling caper but the amount consumed was less than 250 dollars so thats a misdo.

2. I will admit that the story about Colin liking 68 Camaro's the best was... what did Joe Biden say back in 1988 when he ran for president and had to drop out after plagerizing some speechs? Shall we say some parts of my story were embellished in that the 68 camaro wasn't actually for sale and he didn't really want to sell it. Other than that everything was accurate. On this charge I will plead no contest.

However I won't cop to the brown skid mark because it wasn't mine so if Colin finally and publicly admits that it wasn't mine and lets me drive his Zamboni next time I am in town we have a deal. Steve please consult with your client and please advise if we have reached an agreement?

[Charley Lillard]

I have a faster Zamboni.

[sYc]

[ QUOTE ]
I have a faster Zamboni.

[/ QUOTE ]

'67 or '68? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Charley Lillard]

08

[Dog427435]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif I like it when you guys use all dem big words and are cuttin' each other down and stuff (at least I think you're cuttin' each other down http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif ).

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As Colin's alleged Counsel of Record, I would advise anyone who may be desirous of my sesquipedalian proclivities to have the requisite monetary and/or collateral-based funding well in hand before considering the retention of my equally alleged legal prowess.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

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Wow - sesquipedalian proclivities - delicatessen does it for me! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[olredalert]

-----Les,,,Worked at DONZI Marine in the early 70s and knew your name from somewhere. As I have a deep interest in ocean racing back in the early days, I go on the "OSO" sight all the time and spotted yours and your Dads name. You two did very, very well for yourselves, in a sport that was incredibly difficult to do well in. Do you still have any speedy type boats???

-----Oh,,,Am sorry for the hi-jack........Bill S

[Xplantdad]

Bill...is there anyone that you do not know? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[JoeC]

This thread has really gone down hill since the Ford guys came in. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif just kidding.

Back to my rant ……

Having over 20 years experience in researching Yenko stuff I have learned that you can’t just find one list and accept it as the correct number.
As Ron Reagan said, “Trust, but Verify ”.

What is good and bad about the Yenko records is the sheer volume that exists.
Bad - because it complicates the documentation process.
Good - because some cars may have 5 separate documents showing the vin and other info. That’s iron clad documentation.

“Don’s word” of 107 should be cross-referenced to the other Yenko records. The 107 list is an important document and any found cars on there should be checked out but the first half of the list has a lot of problems when compared to other Yenko records and to the found cars.

In the 1987 MCR interview Don said he built 400 Stingers, 54 1967 Camaros, 64 1968 Camaros, 500 69 Camaros, 200 Deuces, and “about 100 Chevelles, and “about 35 Novas”.

Looks like MCR had Vince E’s numbers and presented them to Don in the interview. It appears Don accepted the 67, 68, Camaro numbers, and used them in the interview. He would not accept the 201 number but stood by his number of 500 69 Y Camaros. He gave them the “350th Unit” picture to which they posted the caption “ Up until now, it was believed that only 201 COPO 9561 Camaros were built for Yenko. Take a look at the picture. Of the 500 COPO cars here’s documentation that the 350th unit was sold ……….”

I have letters Don wrote to Chevy talking about 1000 hi po cars in one year. Don consistently used high numbers. I guess he was just doing his job promoting his name. He was trying to get a 2nd dealership in 1968. (I have Don’s desk file on this). He didn’t get it. Then he was pushing for approval for a new large modern Chevy Dealership.
He got that in 1973.

Don was a good businessman (and salesman) but this shows why you have to verify Don’s numbers. This is not a negative mark against DY but according to “Don’s word” there are 300 69 Y Camaro ghost cars floating around.

Look at the first half of the 107 list shown on here. It is all blank except for the vin. It’s a ghost town – there isn’t even a piece of sagebrush blowing through it.

The above is, of course, all just my opinion.

BTW Colin, is your 68 Y Camaro the one Don Garlits drag tested in MCR? Saw it when looking for the interview.

[sYc]

As I said before, good or bad, I think we need to stick to facts, not "it appears", or "looks like", and " I guess". Reading between the lines, AKA injecting our own opinions only muddies the water.

Of course, if I owned a '67 I might be on the other side, wanting the number built to be less. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[csx289]

Charley, why don't you tell the class that you asked me what zamboni I bought and you went and got the same one? Oh, wait, you got the joystick version and I got the steering wheel version. What would Freud say about that? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Joe, yep, my 68 Y Camaro is the one Big Daddy laid down a few scorching low-15 second and high-14 second runs in. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Must have been scared to break somebody else's car I guess? At least he was faster in my car than he was in the 68.5 CJ Mustang. THAT would have been embarassing http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

I'm going to go charge the batteries in my zamboni and empty the tanks, just in case Charley wants to throw down. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif One question, though, is that Honda S800 fatser or slower than a Clarke?

Colin

[Charley Lillard]

If I can get my Honda S800 running it will be faster than my Isetta.

[Mr70]

That's a big if..

[Les Quam]

Bill,
Wow, Donzi in the 70s that was a very interesting time in south Florida. I was at the Univ. of Miami from 76 to 80 and that era was something else in terms of money floating around. No more boats for me. I blew all my money on muscle cars. Now it looks like I need to buy a Zamboni?

That 68 Yenko of Colins's hasn't seemed to have picked up any speed judging by the ETs I saw at the reunion. LOL LOL

I return you now back to the great Zamboni war.

[csx289]

So the guy that was laying down some breathtaking 15's in his BM Phase III Camaro wants to throw stones at the guy who ran high-13's on F70/14 tires in a 68 Yenko with a FUBAR shifter that kept jamming in 2nd?

Bring it on, ex-nort she-cago, ex-U of M student that never inhaled, ex- prosecutor and attorney, etc....let's use SCR-12 to race heads up on zambonis and line up that BM car against the 68 Yenko and see what happens! Deal? I hereby wager $50 or dinner for everybody at Banderas BBQ (whichever is greater) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Charley, if you want in on this action bring that Yenko Tuned Honda S800. Or do you want me and Les to go buy microcars so we can see how many days it takes the fastest one to cover 1320 feet? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Tenney]

Thing is, if Les were to Zamboni over the skid mark patina, would the rig still be survivor eligible? Might not want to lose that rust, right ...?

[Xplantdad]

This year I promise to show that Colin guy how to really drive a go cart...in the past I was letting him win http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[Les Quam]

Mr. Comer,

I hereby except your challenge for SYC 12.

BTW do any of you know how many documented, real, no story 68 Yenko Camaro's are known to still exist? Just curious?

[John]

...and while you are checking the list...
..How many 1968 "unconverted" Yenko camaros exist? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

[ QUOTE ]
...and while you are checking the list...
..How many 1968 "unconverted" Yenko camaros exist? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Here's one..

http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/Search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=498103

What carb # did these cars have?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[Xplantdad]

That's the late Tom Billigen's COPO http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[firstgenaddict]

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That's the late Tom Billigen's COPO http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Didn't it bid to $325,000 or so at R&M last Jan?

[csx289]

I wouldn't call what they did "bidding" more like blatant shilling. Had a customer who told me to go to $200k on the Billigen car, I thought far less than that should have got it done and was told the reserve was in the $140k range - car hits the block and Tom from TnT Go Cars apparently convinced Robin Billigen the car was worth $500k and told R&S to run it well past $300k. They opened the car at $200k as I recall and put it right to the moon, not a live bid in sight. Something transpired between Tom, Robin, and R&S to change the reserve or somehow protect the car.

I stood there with Mockingbird and Ed Montini and we all just http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif went into a state of shock.

Great car, glad to see Robin has taken back control of the sale of her car. My customer ended up buying the 5k mile, 100% untouched original L89 Vette I bought at the same sale for less money, same color even http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Colin

[scuncio]

That is some story...I remember being surprised to see the 'no sale' bid on the Billigen car.

[yenkomark]

If I may add a nickels worth to the 67 Yenko Camaro discussion... just over 100 bellhousings and sets of headers were billed to Yenko for the 67's, about half sent to Canonsburg and half to Dick Harrell at his shop. I know because I have the invoices and they are reproduced in my book

[mockingbird812]

One thing that csx left out was this..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif


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[PeteLeathersac]

Tangled web aside, what was Tom B's Unconverted 9737 like before the resto?.
Was there a major reason to not leave it as a 5800 mile survivor?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
~ Pete

[Xplantdad]

Wasn't it a race car for a bunch of years? I seem to remember talking to him about it...way back

[firstgenaddict]

Boy the pound exchange rate is way off from that... it'd cost you damn near 300,000# GBR now... LOL

[sYc]

[ QUOTE ]
Tangled web aside, what was Tom B's Unconverted 9737 like before the resto?.
Was there a major reason to not leave it as a 5800 mile survivor?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
~ Pete

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I heard it was pretty solid, with most of its original parts still intact. But unfortuantly when restored, these parts were replaced, which was noted when the car was judged at Chevy Vettefest, thus did not score well.

Also, seems at the time of restoration there was some drama surronding the engine(s) for the car.

Of note, the ad says a dealer trade from Yenko To Kenny Ross. There is no disputing the car was bought new from Kenny Ross Chevrolet, but as far as I know, no records backing up the claim of a dealer trade. Possible, as most folks believe that Yenko was the only dealer to get COPOs in '68, but the car may have never been at Yenko. .

[John]

What book? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[COPO_Anders]

Tom, what was the drama surrounding the engine ? It´s supposed to have its born-with engine-block doesn´t it ?

[yenkomark]

John, The book is titled " The Yenko Era " and is available thru Amazon.com I am a former employee and " gofer " from that time ,66-71.My friendship with Donna Mae Mims and Warren Dernoshek,( co-authors )is more than 40 years. I still have YS037 from 1966.

[sYc]

Seems at the time Tom bought it back it had an L-88 engine in it, maybe Yenko, sold that to go into a Motion car, then some how the original engine surfaced.

[COPO_Anders]

Thank´s for the clarification Tom. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Tom B. sent me some pictures years ago of the car, and the block looks ok to me. But on the other hand, I´m no expert.

[YenkoYS-199Stinger]

Mark G,

Glad to see you are lurking over here. I hope all is well.

Everyone should have his book. Lots of good stuff. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Whttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gifW...welcome Mark!.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[sYc]

Speaking of books about Yenko, spoke with Bob McClurg this morning. He is to meet with members of the Yenko family this evening to do some proof work for his upcoming book on Yenko. They have been able to provide several unpublished pictures, as well as quite a bit of information.

[YenkoYS-199Stinger]

Mark is a wealth of walking Yenko information. But then again, he lived it. Lucky devil. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[budnate]

it's been awhile but I thought I read where Tom sold the car awhile after it was new and had kept the original motor under his bench until he bought it back...dont recall what was in it when he found it if anything. sound right??


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Seems at the time Tom bought it back it had an L-88 engine in it, maybe Yenko, sold that to go into a Motion car, then some how the original engine surfaced.

[/ QUOTE ]

[mockingbird812]

I would recommend not conjecturing on this car as it does not sound like anyone has definitive information and I am sure noone here wants to unnecessarily tarnish the reputation of Robin's Yenko. Ed (enio45) is on the road and I have a call into him. I am not saying that he knows definitively the details of this car, but if anyone knows it would be the guy that owns the only other non-converted '68.

Thanks!

[budnate]

Sam I am bad at finding old threads here, pull it up if you can?, Tom shared openly all about the car, he bought new and was so happy to buy it again.

[Mr70]

Here's that thread bud..
The late Tom Billigen was selling his 69 Yenko at that time to buy his 68 camaro back.The last reply on page 1 and there after is where he begins about finding it again.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/59134/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

[PeteLeathersac]

This thread keeps getting better & better!.

So it looks like Tom must've made a deal to get his original engine back and swapped the heads back on..
Wonder what happened to the L88?.
Interesting how he wasn't aware it was a 9737 until he got the car back!.

Futher to the '68 Yenko converted cars, is it know how many were RS cars?.
How many known existing '68 Yenko cars are RS cars?.
And is it know if any of the nonconverted '68 9737's were RS cars?.

Interesting stuff!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
~ Pete

[enio45]

I think the link above tells the story on Toms car, engine and discovery of its origan. Being from Aliquippa, PA myself, althought a bit younger than Tom, Bobby Williams was the person who bought the L78 motor out of Toms car. All of us that know Bobby, he has virtually every motor he ever got his hands on still today. He had a performance shop near J&L Steel downtown Aliquippa. Bobby is still around if someone needs to verify the info.

Tom had Ed Cunneen do some background leg work for the then "COPO Certification" on his Bronze car and my Ralley Green car and found that Toms was dealer transferred from Yenko to Kenny Ross. My car was sold at Yenko Chev and documented thru the original owner (still alive) and also verified with the subsequent owners (all from Coraopolis, PA)as well and as stated in the MCR article March 07.

Related to one of the above questions - "im told" that there are possible 6 non coverted cars - due to the fact that a quality of 70, 68 yenko camaros were to be produced for the year. However 64 were converted and the remaining were sold as L78 cars. Joe Barr has some info that refers to these non-converted cars in an ad back in the late 68 season.

My car body number is 3 digits away from the recent ebay bronze yenko from Tenn and as you would expect, same build week of 07E. Kind of supports that these cars were made in certain batches.

I was told that of the remaining 6 non-converted cars, there were 1 ralley green and 5 corvette bronze. Dont know if any were RS and if the above is true?? Of the 6, two are known to exist, both non RS cars.

As you can expect, i look everyday for the other 4 - not knowing where they can show up, if at all.

Hope this helps some understanding.

[sYc]

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Tom had Ed Cunneen do some background leg work for the then "COPO Certification" on his Bronze car and my Ralley Green car and found that Toms was dealer transferred from Yenko to Kenny Ross.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not to put Ed and his certification process down, but unless something has changed since TB and I visited about adding his car to the '68 list, no actual docuemntation existed about being from Yenko, Ed (as he did on numerous occasions on various cars) was just going on what was told to him. If documentation exists, I would love to see it.

[enio45]

Tom, i understand your POV... makes sense. I have not talked to Robin about the documentation - probably an NICB (or is it the NCIB) report would be a excellent piece of documentation to have.

[sYc]

[ QUOTE ]
Tom, i understand your POV... makes sense. I have not talked to Robin about the documentation - probably an NICB (or is it the NCIB) report would be a excellent piece of documentation to have.

[/ QUOTE ]


Yep... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[enio45]

Tom,

Thinking thru this again - if Yenko was the only dealer doing the 1968 camaro - 9737 conversions to a yenko car, then by default he had to order and accept delivery of the car.

Is there speculation that other dealers could get this 9737 copo car?

I think Joe Barr's doc's seem to indicated that Yenko had these 9737's as leftover (or non converted cars) . I have not seen his docs etc...so i cannot say for sure. I would like to try to nail down the definitive story to this.

Would be helpful to the hobby.

Any thoughts on this theory?

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
Is there speculation that other dealers could get this 9737 copo car?

[/ QUOTE ]
It's possible, I suppose...we were under the assumption Gibb was the only dealer that recieved any '68 COPO Novas, until Mr. Berger himself told us they got *at least* 1...!

BTW, I believe the L88 from Tom's Camaro went into a '68/9 "Motion" Corvette...

[sYc]

Who knows?

For many years it was thought that Gibb was the only one to get '68 COPO Novas, but Dale Berger told a group of us that they got one. I have no reason to doubt Dale, as the same thing happened with the ZL-1s, where it was thought that Gibb was the only one to get them, but records appeared later showing that Berger got the #3 car.


As I told TB when we had this discussion, as with all cars, we need to stick to the facts.

1. the car appears to be a legit '68 COPO 9737 Camaro, L-78
2. was sold new at Kenny Ross Chevrolet

So, IMO, as it stands now, the car is a Kenny Ross COPO Camaro, which is not a bad thing, as that makes it one of one.

[JoeC]

Tom B was trying to get the NICB report.

There are a few more items that led us to believe it is from Yenko but the NICB report is needed to prove it out.

Ed C has paperwork from GM that shows that the COPO 9737 option was first called the “Sports Car Conversion/Yenko/” in 1968, then in 1969 it was noted that COPO 9737 was made available to other dealers and not just “Yenko Sports Car Inc.” The Yenko name was used twice in the document.
It appears that COPO 9737 was only for Yenko in 68 but maybe some did slip out. I still have not heard of any other non-Yenko 1968 Camaros with the COPO 9737 option but still this is not proof that Tom’s was delivered to Yenko.

The Yenko ad shows 6 special SS396 Camaros and was late in the year. Five were Corvette Bronze. We thought having 5 of the same color cars for sale when the new model was coming soon, made a trade or discount sale to Ross seem possible but still this is not proof that Tom’s was delivered to Yenko.

Jim M from the F&SO dept. said he remembered working with Yenko on this 1968 COPO order with the special engine code. Jim thought the order was for 427 Camaros and that Yenko ordered over 70 of these. He posted this info on here or on TC - maybe that thread still around.

It is not correct to say that there were 70 1968 COPO 9737 ordered and 6 were sold as unconverted. Some of the 1968 427 Yenko Super Camaros were built from non- COPO 9737 Camaros (4 according to the list here) so the 70-6=64 is not correct.
The ad just says that 6 cars were for sale at the time of the ad.
I have not seen any info that shows how many SS396 COPO 9737 Camaros Yenko received or how many were sold as unconverted cars.

Some one still needs to get the NICB for Tom B's car.

[enio45]

Joe, any idea how or where the 70 number come from? Was it assumed that 64 were converted and the "6 cars" from the ad just gives an assumed 70?

[NovaMob03]

Several '69 Yenko's have been run on NICB with no results found, including 615076, which had bulletproof Yenko documentation. Even if someone were to run TB's COPO/Yenko it may come back inconclusive. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif