1969 z28 crossram jl8 black

[chads454Ls6]

Does anyone know this car?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Truc...A1%7C240%3A1308 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1969-CAMARO-Z-28-RS-JL8-CROSS-RAM-1010-BLACK-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ130264760342QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Tr ucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item130264760342 &_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A1 2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308)

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Wow, what a great car.....some one is gonna get a great deal unless people start heavily bidding on this one.

[Jonesy]

Trim tag pic is blurry and looks very questionable.... Be careful on this one

[firstgenaddict]

Beautiful pics except for the money shot... LOL

[rich p]

Some people would say: What a Great Deal !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
Gotta love that EYECANDY, great color with a lots of killer options http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[JRSully]

No pics of the engine stamp or POP and that trim tag looks very crisp,(what you can make out of the blurry picture anyway) No reserve.? My .02

[quick-bowtie]

There are still 9 days left in the auction and its at 55k already Im sure it wont be a give away by the time it ends.

I just heard a couple more big dollar cars sold and are heading over seas, it will probably happen to this car too if it checks out. With 9 Days left there is plently of time to do some research to get the real scoop.

[92646]

I would have thought the car would have a 010 block instead of a 618 block.
Mark Sheppard

[BARRY]

HI i think it sould have a 386 block

[DarrenX33]

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Trim tag pic is blurry and looks very questionable.... Be careful on this one

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[Salvatore]

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HI i think it sould have a 386 block

[/ QUOTE ]A 386 block is for an early car July of 68 till around January of 69. My (11B) 1969 SS nova has a 386 block.

[firstgenaddict]

The 10D 69 Z with a V1007DZ in the garage is a 386...
010 from my experience as well...
Isn't 06A too late for JL8?

[1969z280]

Mark:

According to Alan Colvin's Chevrolet By The Numbers (which I have found is extremely reliable) the 386 Block was cast from August 68 until January 69; the 618 Block was cast from January 69 until April 69; and the 010 began production in late April or early May.

The casting date of E 14 9 on this gentleman's 618 Block is a little suspect. The only thing that I can imagine is that it is actually a D 14 9 Block or it was somehow the very last one cast.
Ed

[firstgenaddict]

I have never seen a 618 with a build date as late as V0603...

[10/10_RS/Z28]

Trim tag doesn't look like mine, several things do not appear to be correct for the car!

[69 Post Sedan]

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Isn't 06A too late for JL8?

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According to Jerry MacNeish's book the JL8 brakes were offered from March 1969 until July 21 1969.

[JChlupsa]

Misleading in the crossram info as well saying its orginal and not added on. Might be org GM but was added to the car

[Jonesy]

The authenticity of this car could be cleared up with a better pic of the tag. It doesnt look good to me.

http://i15.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/16/f5/329e_3.JPG

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Oh...here's a shocker.....the listing is gone now http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Jeff H]

I bet the listing is gone because he had pictures of other cars in the ad. That tag doesn't look good but it's too blurry to see well enough.

[10/10_RS/Z28]

correct block for the car? Anybody

[69L78]

My 04L JL8 has the 618 block with a cast date of C319 and the VIN down by the oil filter.... the engine stamp is V0416DZ.

[69L78]

I have talked with the owner, Ebay pulled the ad because he mentioned he had the trailer and other parts for sale also....he is going to relist it. The car is in Williamsburg, VA and the restoration was done by Joey W. from JenJacs restorations in Georgia.

[m22mike]

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The authenticity of this car could be cleared up with a better pic of the tag. It doesnt look good to me.

http://i15.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/16/f5/329e_3.JPG

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Even with the fuzzy photo this looks like a new tag.
Where is the sealer in the rivets ?

JMO MIke

[BARRY]

HI why i said it sould be a 386 block i thought the vin number started 9N52 NOW THE LISTING IS GONE

[BARNFOUND YENKO]

How hard is it to set a digital camera to "macro" mode and take a picture? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif Simple! My 9 year old daughter can take a flawless/super clear picture with no problems. Maybe its just me but it seems like 90% of the trimtag pictures i ever see on EBAY are blurry. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Im with Mike even with the fuzzy photo the tag looks like a new tag. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif JMO

[quick-bowtie]

If you go on jenjacs.com and click under showroom it says the car is a recreation..

[firstgenaddict]

Jen Jacks has tried many times to buy William's real unrestored 10/10 X33 car... he told me the other day he wants to restore the damn thing...

[Tommy_Mathison]

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Jen Jacks has tried many times to buy William's real unrestored 10/10 X33 car... he told me the other day he wants to restore the damn thing...

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[DarrenX33]

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If you go on jenjacs.com and click under showroom it says the car is a recreation..

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Not again! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[RamAirDave]

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1091205&postcount=14

[firstgenaddict]

I told the guy that there were too many people who wished to have the car as is and would leave it unrestored to entertain an offer from him... that if it were to ever have a new care taker it would be someone who appreciated the car as is not to someone wanting to restore it.

[77Z28]

I wandered about JenJac's cars. If you look at there before pictures on cars being restored they seem to add a lot of options to them and not keep them as born. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

However, there stuff looks very clean and fully restored all be it maybe not fully correct. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Stefano]

RE: JenJac's; The owner and his employees are Top Notch. They have a great track record with us as well as many other Clients. If you buy a car from Joey you will certainly get the straight scoop. We have also been extremely satisfied with their work as well as their business ethics!

[firstgenaddict]

The work is beautiful, JenJac's obviously does extremely nice restorations. They are not the ones selling the car and they have referenced it correctly (as a recreation) on their website. If the ebay seller is representing the same car otherwise he would be doing himself a favor by describing it truthfully.

[rubbinisracing]

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I wandered about JenJac's cars. If you look at there before pictures on cars being restored they seem to add a lot of options to them and not keep them as born. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

However, there stuff looks very clean and fully restored all be it maybe not fully correct. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

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Jen Jacs like many other restorers and business people do the work according to the customers specifications. The guy paying the bills controls the technique, method and type of restoration performed. As Stefano stated, his ethics and business practices are excellent.

[chads454Ls6]

It's back!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...A1%7C240%3A1308 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28-RS-JL8-1969-CAMARO-Z-28-RS-JL8-CROSS-RAM-X33-D80-10-10-BLACK_W0QQitemZ130265263442QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m130265263442&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3 A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308)

[gb70]

165k buy it now ~ good luck

[TwoBryans]

You just gotta love the way this guy never directly answers the question and dances all aroung basically insinuating the car not to be a recreation. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

"Q: Wonderful restoration! No mention in your listing as to documentation? Is the car real or a recreation? Born-with drivetrain? Please send any other info pertaining to this car's legitamacy, etc. Thanks! P.S. I am a serious collector (no tire kicker). I would probably want to inspect the car, where is it located? Oct-29-08

A: She is absolutely correct and all numbers, both castings & dates are dead on right. the car speaks for itself and is priced right considering. With documentation she would bring way over $250k. You must decide on whether you're buing the car for what it is or are you buying paperwork? Unfortunately many great cars, legit cars, have not retained paper work. If only people would have had the forsight of what saving paper work would do for the value. Inspections are welcome."

[Late BrakeU2]

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You just gotta love the way this guy never directly answers the question and dances all aroung basically insinuating the car not to be a recreation. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

"Q: Wonderful restoration! No mention in your listing as to documentation? Is the car real or a recreation? Born-with drivetrain? Please send any other info pertaining to this car's legitamacy, etc. Thanks! P.S. I am a serious collector (no tire kicker). I would probably want to inspect the car, where is it located? Oct-29-08

Translation

A: She is absolutely correct(NOT BORN IN) and all numbers, both castings & dates are dead on right(RESTAMP). the car speaks for itself and is priced right considering(IT'S A TRIBUTE),and is priced accordingly. With documentation(BECAUSE THERE IS NONE) she would bring way over $250k. You must decide on whether you're buing the car for what it is(TRIBUTE) or are you buying paperwork(REAL)? Unfortunately many great cars, legit cars, have not retained paper work(SORRY BOUT THAT). If only people would have had the forsight of what saving paper work would do for the value(MANY DID!). Inspections are welcome."

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[DarrenX33]

250K with documentation!? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Jim Ferron]

This is what sucks about this hobby..the parsing of words...survivor [as discussed elsewhere]matching numbers..correct..original..'real deal' all BS..

Now the most reassuring phrase is 'born with' I guess there is no wiggle room on that term...except when it is a flat out lie.

Now for me, a blue collar, dirt under my finger nails kinda guy..I have to use the word 'Provenance'

WTF..I just want to do a freakin' burnout ..not speak French...

[TDW]

The guy that has the car for sale says jenjacs did not do the resto. That is according to a post on the TC site anyway.

[firstgenaddict]

He said that jenjacs did not do the resto but did have the car and did do some detailing work to the car... the statements are misleading at best...

[69L78]

That's funny, when I talked to him, I told him that I was not interested in buying the car but was interested in his other parts he was going to sell. I did ask him who did the restoration and he told me the car came from Georgia and Joey W. did the restoration. This car has changed hands a couple times before the current owner.

[TwoBryans]

I really like the sellers comment here:

"THIS AUCTION IS ONLY FOR EBAY MEMBERS WITH THE UTMOST HONOR & INTEGRITY."

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[njsteve]

That's how every one of those Nigerian emails I get starts with. And I'm still waiting for that $27,000,000 from my late uncle, King Eldon Mabatoosi in Lagos. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[rubbinisracing]

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That's how every one of those Nigerian emails I get starts with. And I'm still waiting for that $27,000,000 from my late uncle, King Eldon Mabatoosi in Lagos. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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That must make us cousins! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Dave Rifkin]

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That's how every one of those Nigerian emails I get starts with. And I'm still waiting for that $27,000,000 from my late uncle, King Eldon Mabatoosi in Lagos. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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That must make us cousins! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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Six degrees of King Eldon Mabatoosi............ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[10/10_RS/Z28]

I like seeing people get their large $$$'s for their cars, but if clones (this car, green B/J, others) are bringing this kind of money what is a REAL car going to bring?

[southernfriedcj]

Real or not the black Z/28-RS car is one I would love to have.Beautiful car.