2 Yenkos and a ZL-1 at B-J [Archive]

njsteve

11-16-2008, 03:23 AM

Here's the Yenko Turbo Z link:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/search/carlist_Details.aspx?&In_LotNumber=1276

I believe that 81 Yenko Turbo Z is the one a lady in my old car club (Connecticut Cruisers) bought new back in Connecticut in 1981.

Anyone know the original owner's name? I think the husband's name was Lloyd Topping and the wife was Lisa??? The husband had the blown, red 69 Camaro on the right, at the time. He later painted it yellow, tubbed and prostreeted it. They divorced in the mid-eighties and I think both cars sold in the settlement.

In this photo it's the black car between the green Anglia and the red 67 GTX ragtop. My memory is getting fuzzy after 25 years but I think the white object in the grill was a hand-written sign on a piece of cardboard that someone stuck there as a joke just before the photo was taken.

Gotta be the same car since there couldn't have been too many black on black Yenko Turbo Z's produced and bought by "ladies back in the eighties."

(My car was the yellow 71 Cuda 383 ragtop on the left - I got it for free out of a junkyard when I lived in Colorado)

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/nk15268a/CTCruisers1983.jpg

427450

11-16-2008, 03:29 AM

Is that a blown Pacer? Sick.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

njsteve

11-16-2008, 03:36 AM

Yup. It had a blown small block Chevy in it. I hung out with a sick crowd! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

CamarosRus

11-16-2008, 05:38 AM

That above B-J 2009 description is all screwed up, with many omissions and lies. Evey time I read this crap, i just get so infuriated. The below pictures show me racing the (repainted red) ZL-1, and the completely different bodied Multi-Colored car that still lives in Washington state.

The only thing that moved on was the OEM VIN tag.........

WE will never know the truth, who commissioned the green clone to be built. Will anybody send me a PM speaking if this is something Reggies business is capable of doing....????

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/Fallnationals.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/Image043.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/ZL1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/ZL1b.jpg

HiHorse

11-16-2008, 07:30 AM

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The only thing that moved on was the OEM VIN tag.........

[/ QUOTE ] Why was #27 rebodied the second time?

iluv69s

11-16-2008, 01:44 PM

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Yup. I hung out with a sick crowd! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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HUNG out??? arent you hangin around here alot??
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

just kiddin guys http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Rick

11-17-2008, 06:00 AM

Wow NJSteve, your photo brings back alot of good memories.

That picture must be at the Moroso plant in Guilford?? One of the better CT muscle car shows in the late 80's. I remember most of the cars in that picture, and have pictures of them too. I still see the 68 Bird in the picture "Highway Star" every once in awhile. I believe the Pacer had a big block in it.

I believe your correct on the owners name. If I remember correctly the husband later paint the 69 Camaro yellow and called it Top Bannana.

At the time, I had a 69 TA & 68 Firebird that I would bring to that show.

-Rick

njsteve

11-17-2008, 06:38 AM

Good memory Rick!

The club used to have their summer show every year at the Moroso plant in Guilford, CT. The photo was actually taken at the Armstrong Rubber Headquarters at Long Wharf in New Haven. I think we all attended a show there at the time.

sYc

11-17-2008, 05:27 PM

Had a member email me and mention that the Silver Deuce for sale at B/J may be the same one talked about in this thread. Does anyone on here know for sure?

Silver Deuce (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/234519/page/0/fpart/3/vc/1)

Kim_Howie

11-17-2008, 06:02 PM

If this car is a green ,auto,black vinyl roof and power steering? The vin # is 615704.

iluv69s

11-17-2008, 10:03 PM

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Had a member email me and mention that the Silver Deuce for sale at B/J may be the same one talked about in this thread. Does anyone on here know for sure?

Silver Deuce (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/234519/page/0/fpart/3/vc/1)

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..so is this the same car?? how can BJ advertise this car and the green ZL-1 with these "known" issues without disclosing??

Whats this ZL-1 actually worth?? Isnt the seller just gonna have problems when the winning bidder at BJ finds out "after the fact" about the car..(assuming there will still be those uninformed bidders)...

the car only bid to 315 last auction, so I assume the bidders knew it had these issues or it would have bid higher??

.....and still bid 315?? WOW!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

sYc

11-17-2008, 10:59 PM

Another member has alerted me to the fact that the Green Yenko Camaro may be a rebody as well. Anyone got info on that car?

The Preston/Lawrence racecar is a neat piece, and one we almost owned. When at Cliff's looking to buy a Yenko Camaro from him, I narrwoed it down to the one we bought and that car. Of course at the time, no one knew is was the P/L racecar.

Racefan

11-17-2008, 11:48 PM

The last comment is the reason I was trying to clarify if the RG Yenko was the Friedley car. I was not able to see the VIN to see if it is this car, but if it is...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

rich p

11-18-2008, 12:29 AM

A silver ZL1 sold at BJ's a few years ago and the sign had rebody on it and a buyer bought it. I had to tell him after he kept telling me he had one of the Best ZL1's. After hearing this quite a few times. I laid the bomb on him and explained to him what a rebody is. He said he had experts working for him and they didnt notice the sign.
Some people dont have a problem with rebodies. Some people dont know what a REBODY means. I dont call a rebody when panels have been replaced. But when you take VIN Tags and #'s from another car to put on another car. REBODY !!
I had people still tell me that the car is still worth a lot of money. I disagree !! I wont sell one of those if I am aware of its history..
Example: A real ZL1 rolls over on the track,catches fire, everybody panel is shot. A sixbanger Camaro sitting next to it and you put ALL the tags and #'s on this car. Now its worth something ?? People I have met said Yes. I disagree !
Cars that have a lot of panel replacement but still have the #'s and tags: I call them bast^&d cars, they are worth REAL money but not the same as a original bodypanel cars.

Silver Deuce http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
Green ZL1 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
FG Yenko http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Just my 5 cents !!

rich p

11-18-2008, 12:33 AM

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the car only bid to 315 last auction, so I assume the bidders knew it had these issues or it would have bid higher??

HOW REAL WAS THAT BID ??????? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

COPO PETE

11-18-2008, 02:51 AM

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A silver ZL1 sold at BJ's a few years ago and the sign had rebody on it and a buyer bought it. I had to tell him after he kept telling me he had one of the Best ZL1's. After hearing this quite a few times. I laid the bomb on him and explained to him what a rebody is. He said he had experts working for him and they didnt notice the sign.
Some people dont have a problem with rebodies. Some people dont know what a REBODY means. I dont call a rebody when panels have been replaced. But when you take VIN Tags and #'s from another car to put on another car. REBODY !!
I had people still tell me that the car is still worth a lot of money. I disagree !! I wont sell one of those if I am aware of its history..
Example: A real ZL1 rolls over on the track,catches fire, everybody panel is shot. A sixbanger Camaro sitting next to it and you put ALL the tags and #'s on this car. Now its worth something ?? People I have met said Yes. I disagree !
Cars that have a lot of panel replacement but still have the #'s and tags: I call them bast^&d cars, they are worth REAL money but not the same as a original bodypanel cars.

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Well put!
Peter

NovaMob03

11-18-2008, 03:05 AM

The issue is disclosure of any and all cars that cross the BJ block & by reading what BJ written about the ZL1 it ain't hapnin'...yet. I'd bet that by auction time any issues will be out in the open for all bidders to digest. I don't think BJ will want to have cars ridiculed on various websites like the Rallye Green Z 28 was http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

rich p

11-18-2008, 04:44 AM

I DONT blame the Auction house's !! BUYER BEWARE !!!
The are there to sell cars.. I tell my clients: People HIDE cars under the radar there.. You spend 200K-300K a million bucks and DONT check the car out !! Shame on them and they must have stupid money to burn. Make the car shiny(eyecandy) and say its real and that is it.
Feed these guys sh^t and tell them its steak and they are begging for more.
Do you think these buyers made their money running their business like that ?? NO
Shame on them to walk into a place and throw down the money like they do.. FISH ON !!!!
Its so funny that their is quite a few guys here that sell a LOT of cars at these auctions and NEVER chime in about this topic.. I would bet money that they ALL have played the game, once or twice..
I have sold a lot of cars(pedigree)and its never been about the money when it comes to selling GARBAGE or buying for a client.
I hang with these Vette guys and I ask them every year at the auction. How many good Vettes are here and they say about 3-5 cars. Thats pretty BAD in my eyes !!

Alright im going to stop HERE !!! Sorry I got a little wound up ! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

PhilS

11-18-2008, 08:36 AM

The auction house shouldn't have to investigate every car and every claim that calls into question the integrity of said car. They should make public what they know to be true. It's going to be pretty tough to get cars at no reserve that are all without blemishes on their histories. There are some great forums like this one that can be used by prospective buyers to gather info on cars they're interested in. Seems like lots of buyers are making purchase decisions on the fly. Maybe it's the cameras.

rich p

11-18-2008, 04:32 PM

Idea !! They could check out the "Star-Feature" cars.
They shouldnt have to check out every car but the cars that they make the show around. Now those could be "Authenticated" and that would have a BIG impact for the buyers. With a one liner still to protect themselves but show that they did some research on their Feature cars.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

rich p

11-18-2008, 04:55 PM

Hey Phil, Check out lot #1010 Doesnt say nothing about'DOCS' What a cool car..Heres a prime example. If its real,it should do VERY WELL on any given day. Would do well in your collection. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Looks like the year of the convertibles!

sYc

11-18-2008, 05:06 PM

Of the three cars in question, and my biggest beef with B/J, is the ZL-1. The other cars do not adress sheetmetal issues, good or bad, but the ZL-1 does. Compared to what Chuck has posted on numerous occasions, a bunch of lies. I realize that B/J cannot inpect each and every car, but they can demand that any information provided by the seller is accurate. It is one thing for a buyer to get over jealous and miss details, but even the most cautious bidder could be taken in by mis-information.

rich p

11-18-2008, 05:13 PM

I got to give it to Gary. He is pretty up front about his ZL1 Camaro. I think he will have something on his car when the time comes. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

sYc

11-18-2008, 05:21 PM

So when is that time, when he cashes his check? Why not be upfront from the get go? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

PhilS

11-18-2008, 06:17 PM

Rich,
That would be great addition if the docs were there but apparently aren't. I thought it was the one sold a couple years ago at Mecum but the description says it hasn't been offered before. Nice piece but without docs where does it fall?

rich p

11-18-2008, 07:47 PM

OOF !! Put out the red flags !! Color combo, 4 speed, and if its a real Stage 1. What a car if proven ! We will have fun watching this one and a few others.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Les Quam

11-19-2008, 04:04 AM

Hey Steve is there any reason we can't get an affidavit from the witness on this thread who knows the ZL-1 to be a re-body (I think Chuck is his name?) or at least send BJ a letter with the information contained on this thread so that they are put on notice in regard to the Zl-1?? It would be interesting to see if they altered their ad after receiving the information???

Or is that something that is not done in muscle car world?? You have been around forever whats the right thing to do here?

Is the old muscle car rule still in effect voiced so articulately by one of our most famous long time legendary collectors who knowingly sold a re-body to an unsuspecting buyer who later found out it was a rebody and called him for a refund and was told
"here is how it works, I got f****d when I bought it, then I f****d you, so you sell it and f**k the next guy"?

Oops... there I go off on another witch hunt acting like the collector car police again. This threads days are numbered sorry guys.

427.060

11-19-2008, 05:06 AM

So, it seems that one well known Yenko collector has at least 3 known rebodied cars at this auction. Doesn't speak very highly on him.
James

Charley Lillard

11-19-2008, 05:06 AM

Les...Act like a adult and you will last longer. I told you to start another thread about the COPO or Cuda if you had more to say but you chose not to. It got out of hand and was turning into name calling. It was also getting confusing talking about two different cars.

Charley Lillard

11-19-2008, 05:10 AM

James....Gary Holub has always been very up front with people about his cars being rebodies. Some people have no problem with them and Gary is one of those people. The concern of the site members is that it gets disclosed properly at auction. The one negative so far is it's current description skirts around the disclosure.

Mr70

11-19-2008, 05:10 AM

Is this Less Quam or Les Quam.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

427.060

11-19-2008, 05:15 AM

Thanks Charlie. I guess the question should be, did Gary tell BJ about the cars being rebodies and BJ decided not to put it in the descriptions? I would think that if Gary is always up front about the cars he would make sure the cars were accurately described to cover his butt.
James

Charley Lillard

11-19-2008, 05:18 AM

I don't think Barrett would alter a description to cover up a rebody.

Les Quam

11-19-2008, 06:20 AM

Charley,
I chose not to start another thread because unless Jim elects to repost what he has already posted the thread is a waste of time? I can't think of a reason he would rewrite everything all over again after all the abuse he received the first time? He is the person with the first hand information not me. My ONLY intention in discussing the other car was to prevent another prospective buyer from getting screwed. It actually matters to me when I see people get screwed in this hobby. It happens far too much and since no one is going to police our hobby for us it seems to me that leaves it up to us? If we, and I am as guilty as anyone continue to look the other way everyone in this hobby eventually suffer. Just ask any of the honest dealers who frequent this site how hard it is today to overcome the fears newcomers have when buying a high dollar muscle car for the first time? Its always been a tough road for muscle car dealers but each and every time someone buys a rebody or otherwise gets screwed it gets that much harder.

Recently a well known muscle car dealer was selling a 69 Yenko despite the fact the car had passed two sets of judges deeming the engine to be the "born with" engine the dealer still had his doubts based on his experience and things he had heard and put very clearly in his description that he thought it might be a restoration correct or restamped engine. This disclosure thereby allowed prospective buyers to make an INFORMED decision on their own. The dealer could have taken the easy road but instead took the high hard road making it that much harder to sell the car. My point is not everyone in this hobby takes the easy road and many care about unknown buyers and their integrity.

In regard to this thread I was wondering out loud if there was any desire on anyones part to gather the information in a coherent form and send it along to BJ. I doubt if the information was presented properly that BJ would ignore it? I would be happy to prepare an affidavit and send it along to BJ free of charge if I could get some help?

In regard to your "be an adult remark". I am very happy still thinking and acting like a kid. The thing about kids is they still believe in right and wrong and that we can make the world a better place. Imagine that?

PeteLeathersac

11-19-2008, 08:12 AM

How could BJ or any auction house ever truly confirm the authenticity of any car and it's sale day components also why would they ever put themselves into this legally vulnerable position?.

What they can easily do at the very least is include the whole Vins w/ any and all advertising of vehicles listed for their upcoming sales also deny entry of cars who's Vins aren't supplied in enough time for them to list these Vins at least two weeks prior to or whatever time preceeding the sale date seems fair enough to allow prospective buyers to do their due diligence..

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif
~ Pete

PhilS

11-19-2008, 08:56 AM

That sounds good and it's something they can actually do without too much trouble on their part. There's alot of info on forums like this one (none better though) that anyone can access. If people choose not to research a purchase then who can they blame. I think that buying most collectibles is probably hazardous. Especially when the money gets big.

Les Quam

11-19-2008, 09:35 AM

No auction house that deals in this kind of volume could reasonably be expected to authenticate their consignments. It is simply impossible. However when known information surfaces what should we do? I realize Gary is ABSOLUTELY not trying to deceive anyone. According to this thread he is very forthcoming about it. I am just wondering if we have some responsibility to alert prospective buyers at BJ if we can provide information like Chuck has in his possession which seems to leave no room for doubt?

Can anyone argue that each time someone sells a rebody to a customer without full disclosure that it is bad for us all? Year before last a new buyer bought a three quarter of a million dollar Ford at BJ that although it was real was not as represented. The buyer learned his car was actually worth about 200K and was furious so instead of building a 50 car collection that he planned on he is done with muscle cars. Is this good for all of us who own muscle cars?? Or is it better to continue to look the other way?

Hylton

11-19-2008, 01:05 PM

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No auction house that deals in this kind of volume could reasonably be expected to authenticate their consignments. It is simply impossible. However when known information surfaces what should we do? I realize Gary is ABSOLUTELY not trying to deceive anyone. According to this thread he is very forthcoming about it. I am just wondering if we have some responsibility to alert prospective buyers at BJ if we can provide information like Chuck has in his possession which seems to leave no room for doubt?

Can anyone argue that each time someone sells a rebody to a customer without full disclosure that it is bad for us all? Year before last a new buyer bought a three quarter of a million dollar Ford at BJ that although it was real was not as represented. The buyer learned his car was actually worth about 200K and was furious so instead of building a 50 car collection that he planned on he is done with muscle cars. Is this good for all of us who own muscle cars?? Or is it better to continue to look the other way?

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No auction house is going to put that much effort in identifying contravercial cars simply because they are greedy money pigs (IMO). Why openly disclose and potentially lose 100K in commissions on one sale?

Having said that, I do believe they have a (ready for this Steve) fiduciary duty to inform and/or educate potential buyers on some of the crap that is going on as well as identifying what are some of the things you should look out for.

Stuart Adams

11-19-2008, 03:18 PM

I understand all points of view. The seller should be as forthcoming as possible, the buyer should be as wise as possible, but after all this is an auction. BJ should not inspect cars, potential buyers should. Heck they are posted on the website for 4-6 mo. prior to the auction. You can dig up info on a interested car if you really want to. I know we are all trying to protect the field and that's great, but ultimately its Buyers Beware.

Heck 2 yerars ago I was interested in a 68 Yenko Colin bought. I dug up who restored the car, called him, found out previous owners, etc. Lazy guys with big bucks buying "numbered so called cars" are getting what they deserve if they don't investigate.

firstgenaddict

11-19-2008, 05:20 PM

A fool and his money are soon parted... if you don't have the knowledge then find someone who does!

rich p

11-20-2008, 12:14 AM

Phil & I know a guy that we told him he got burned on quite a few cars the year before and would you believe it, he walked by me with 6 pink slips the year after. He just laughed and said I know Rich !!! He is now out of the Collector world when he found out AGAIN that he got burned on some very expensive cars.. These same guys walk into a collection of cars and have NO clue what they are worth but when somebody is bidding against them,they think that is what it is worth. Pretty sad !! Its pretty funny watching a guy bid against himself. I see this so MANY times..
Watch the guy buy the Dusenberg pay an extra 100K !!!

Stuart Adams

11-20-2008, 05:25 AM

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I understand all points of view. The seller should be as forthcoming as possible, the buyer should be as wise as possible, but after all this is an auction. BJ should not inspect cars, potential buyers should. Heck they are posted on the website for 4-6 mo. prior to the auction. You can dig up info on a interested car if you really want to. I know we are all trying to protect the field and that's great, but ultimately its Buyers Beware.

Heck 2 yerars ago I was interested in a 68 Yenko Colin bought. I dug up who restored the car, called him, found out previous owners, etc. Lazy guys with big bucks buying "numbered so called cars" are getting what they deserve if they don't investigate.

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Let me clarify the 68 Yenko #8021. I found the car to be legit, talked to Donahue and some previous owners. Great car and love the car. Glad Colin bought the car and has now taken it to an awesome level. Love the 68 Yenko's.

I was looking into at a 69 Z-28, JL8car in Hawaii that a member turned me on to in 05. I beat every bush until I found Dr. Milton Kim, one of the very important previous owners to verify the car. I took some time and determination and I'm far from a genius or have far less knowledge as 99% of the members here. These people who buy 6 figure cars with no homework, deserve what they get. Heck just come here and ask " Does anyone know this car" and someone here will have the answer - amazing site and the amount of knowledge here is incredible.

Stefano

11-20-2008, 05:45 AM

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I was looking into at a 69 Z-28, JL8car in Hawaii that a member turned me on to in 05. I beat every bush until I found Dr. Milton Kim, one of the very important previous owners to verify the car. I took some time and determination and I'm far from a genius or have far less knowledge as 99% of the members here. These people who buy 6 figure cars with no homework, deserve what they get. Heck just come here and ask " Does anyone know this car" and someone here will have the answer - amazing site and the amount of knowledge here is incredible.

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What a great Car! btw, Thanks Stuart and Jeff.

Stuart Adams

11-20-2008, 06:15 AM

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I was looking into at a 69 Z-28, JL8car in Hawaii that a member turned me on to in 05. I beat every bush until I found Dr. Milton Kim, one of the very important previous owners to verify the car. I took some time and determination and I'm far from a genius or have far less knowledge as 99% of the members here. These people who buy 6 figure cars with no homework, deserve what they get. Heck just come here and ask " Does anyone know this car" and someone here will have the answer - amazing site and the amount of knowledge here is incredible.

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What a great Car! btw, Thanks Stuart and Jeff.

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Your welcome. Hope the car is well. Jeff is the man.

mc25t190

11-22-2008, 05:57 AM

Jeff and Steve did their homework.

buickgn

12-12-2008, 07:29 PM

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Here's the Yenko Turbo Z link:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/search/carlist_Details.aspx?&In_LotNumber=1276

I believe that 81 Yenko Turbo Z is the one a lady in my old car club (Connecticut Cruisers) bought new back in Connecticut in 1981.

Anyone know the original owner's name? I think the husband's name was Lloyd Topping and the wife was Lisa??? The husband had the blown, red 69 Camaro on the right, at the time. He later painted it yellow, tubbed and prostreeted it. They divorced in the mid-eighties and I think both cars sold in the settlement.

In this photo it's the black car between the green Anglia and the red 67 GTX ragtop. My memory is getting fuzzy after 25 years but I think the white object in the grill was a hand-written sign on a piece of cardboard that someone stuck there as a joke just before the photo was taken.

Gotta be the same car since there couldn't have been too many black on black Yenko Turbo Z's produced and bought by "ladies back in the eighties."

(My car was the yellow 71 Cuda 383 ragtop on the left - I got it for free out of a junkyard when I lived in Colorado)

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/nk15268a/CTCruisers1983.jpg

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This is weird! Was just surfing and ended up on this site and thread. The picture Steve mentioned was from the Armstrong show back in the mid 80's. I started the club in question back in 83/4 and that is my 66 Chevelle in the picture.

To stay on topic Lloyd and Lisa Topping did NOT own the Turbo Z. It was owned by Phil and Chrissy Skinner who also owned the Anglia in the picture. They moved to FL years ago and sadly Phil passed away about 2 years ago. I have her email address around somewhere if anyone needs it.

Lloyd and Lisa got divorced but his Camaro did not go with the settlement. He actually got to keep it but ended up selling it and then pro streeted and Ford Ranger extended cap pickup with a 428 in it. He still has it.

I pro streeted my Chevelle and it appeared in quite a few magazines including Hot Rod and Super Chevy. Sold it when we were expecting a child as it didn't have a back seat due to the 12 point roll cage. Ended up getting an 87 Buick Grand National which I still have with less than 30K on it.

Sad, but I haven't seen any of the folks who owned these cars in years now except for the owner of the GTX who is Jim McDonough. Maybe we should have a 25 year reunion?

Steve, if you are ever around North Haven CT let me know would be good to see you again.

CamarosRus

12-12-2008, 09:59 PM

Does anybody think it would serve a good purpose to write SOMEBODY at B-J with my statement regarding my previously owned #27 ZL-1......

If so please send me the specific person and Email address, before this post gets edited......

Also where exactly can I send Email to the announcers that do the broadcast........

I fear that if I get vocal on site at the auction, I will be removed by security and jailed!!!!!!!

Chevy454

12-12-2008, 10:03 PM

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I fear that if I get vocal on site at the auction, I will be removed by security and jailed!!!!!!!

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Yeah, I'd reckon that's how it works! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

NovaMob03

12-12-2008, 10:38 PM

The web page is www.barrett-jackson.com (http://www.barrett-jackson.com) phone 480 663 6255 / Corp office is [email protected] ph 480 421 6694
If you got you Hemmings this month BJ's ad flyer has 'the collection' on pg 15. Chuck, your ZL1 is apparently 'documented with paperwork from GM, Fred Gibb Chev & COPO Connection'.
The silver Deuce has 'a COPO Conn cert and a portion of a build sheet'.
The FG Camaro is more ambigious...'1 of 30...limited prod L72...140 speedo' and a 10-time show winner
Go get 'em Chuck http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

JChlupsa

12-12-2008, 11:22 PM

Chuck, Go and write/Call them and let them know the history of your old ZL1. I would also offer to talk with any of the ones in charge in person since you seem to be attending. How could they not talk with a prior owner of the car they are trying to sell!!!!

CamarosRus

12-13-2008, 01:09 AM

Not my intent to get anyone......other than the "get those" that intentionally mislead, missrepresent what opinion shouldnt even be called a rebodied car.

Does everybody understand that the current "#27 ZL-1 Camaro is a total RECREATION, IMO .....

IMO, Nothing on this Gary Holub owned car came down the assy line ORIGIANALLY as part of the #27 except the VIN TAG.....

IMO, Each and every other piece on the current car was sourced from other 69 Camaros or NOS pieces.

To be clear, I have never seen or inspected the current #27 ZL-1 in person. I have only seen pictures and read misc accounts. My recreation conclusions and comments are based solely upon what Ive seen in pictures and the here say that appears with in this and other web sites.......

Jeff H

12-13-2008, 01:29 AM

Chuck, do you know for sure what happened to the original body? Did it ever get sold again and possibly reunited with the original VIN tag?

CamarosRus

12-13-2008, 01:46 AM

Jeff, In all honestly I am NOT sure what happened to, or became of the original body. I sold it/gave it (cant remember) to man by the name of John "Carmondi" (bad spelling)from North Seattle suburb.

I can not say for SURE if,what, when or how anything became of the Original, Born with #27 Body.

Cant find my files right now.......several years I was contacted by man looking to buy #27 from Northern Illinois Auto Brokers (or a business sounding close). Anyway upon hearing my story the seller ultimately removed inner wheel house and or heater plenum cover to confirm firewall vin number DID NOT match #27 VIN dash tag..........

So I've concluded that original body from Seattle area, is not the body that makes up Holub's #27........