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JHS
12-09-2008, 12:12 AM
I have a set of 291 heads, cast date E070 (the last "0" is quetionable but pretty sure that's it), correct single "hump" casting symbol, HI-PERF casting but there is no "T" for Tonowanda anywhere to be found. There is a "GM1" casting but no T after it. There is also what appears to be "CDF" casting code. Are these service replacement heads? Where would they have been cast?

Mr70
12-09-2008, 01:07 AM
Those were cast at the Saginaw,Mi.foundry.
I have a few like that & are actual assembly line parts.
They date coded their components differently then Tonawanda.
E stands for May.
07 is the day.
0 is the last digit of the year casted,1970.
I think you mean CFD,which stands for Central Foundry Division.
The Saginaw foundry provided mostly Flint-(i.e smallblock),with it's components,but Tonawanda-(i.e.bigblock),also borrowed from them too.

JHS
12-09-2008, 04:59 PM
You are correct, it is "CFD". From what I read I thought all bb heads were cast at Tonowanda. Thanks for the clarification.

Rixls6
12-09-2008, 05:08 PM
I have a set of "188" big block heads that have casting dates and codes like that, but thay are from a 1990 engine.

Ls6 Ragtop
12-09-2008, 05:24 PM
I'm with Rixls6 on this one. Don't think I've seen a 1970 casting quite like this. All 1970 castings I've seen have the 70 for the year, not just the 1 character 0. I've never seen 01-09 used for the first 9 days of production either on the early assembly line stuff. It would most likely be 1-9. For this head to have been dated May 7 of 70 the casting date should be E 7 70. 69 dated heads do only carry one digit for the year i.d. so K 28 9 would be Nov.28 1969. From jan of 70 on throughout production GM used 70 for the year designation.
That being said, the casting date without seeing the heads could be either the first 0 might be another character such as an 8 maybe, or most likely the heads are from 1980 or 1990.
Chris

JHS
12-10-2008, 06:55 PM
Thanks Rixls6 and ls6 ragtop. I wondered about this also as Colvin stated the year would indicate "70". My heads are in fact cast "E070" so may, in fact, be 1980 or 1990 castings. Since no "T" on them, as Colvin also said there would/should be.

Mr70
12-10-2008, 07:50 PM
That's if Tonawanda casted them.
I believe your 291 heads were cast in 1970,not 1980 or 90.
Tonawanda used the double digit year code,CFD did not.

Fast67VelleN2O
12-10-2008, 08:49 PM
CFD Casted many service and over the counter parts for GM in the late 1970's and early 1980's. I bet they are service 291's casted in 1980.

JHS
12-10-2008, 08:51 PM
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That's if Tonawanda casted them.
I believe your 291 heads were cast in 1970,not 1980 or 90.
Tonawanda used the double digit year code,CFD did not.

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MR70,
I will post some pics of the casting info. to see what you think. I would not want to misrepresent these as '70 heads but certainly hope they are.

JHS
12-10-2008, 09:49 PM
Here is a picture of one of the heads...

Jeff H
12-11-2008, 02:07 AM
I've seen that CFD on some 291 heads that were dated 8 for the year so they must have been 78 or 88 dated heads. I would think those heads are from 80 or 90 but I'm not an expert and haven't researched it very much.