67 Z for sale in oh.

[69z2x4]

Not my car. just posting FYI. Maybe someone here knows this car on craigs/dayton
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Date: 2008-12-16, 11:52AM EST



67 Z/28 documented by Jerry Macniesh, original 12 bolt posi, 4 piston disc brakes. Floors are very clean, have new full quarters, nice oringinal front sheet metal. No motor or trans. Have many new parts (included). Parked since 1973, car still has oringinal red paint, 3rd owner. This is the 199th car in registry. May trade. Asking $29,500, (937) 417-9691




Location: Greenville
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PostingID: 960085840

[mchriscad]

I have inspected this car and I spoke with Jerry about it. It is an original paint car. The car was an insurance total back in the 70's I believe. Jerry did document in his paperwork that the car is missing both the cowl tag and the VIN tag and the owner is forthright about that. It is a shame because the body is actually very good on the car.

[Jerry@CHP]

This would be a nice project car for someone on a budget. It is a real '67 Z28.

Jerry

[Charley Lillard]

So it has no vin tag, no cowl tag, no engine, no trans and needs 1/4's?

[JoeG]

You could always ask your congressman for a restoration bailout loan............

[shor]

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So it has no vin tag, no cowl tag, no engine, no trans and needs 1/4's?

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Stop being such a baby.
It is original paint. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Jerry@CHP]

Has nice original red paint and original white paint. Just needs to be buffed out. Nice Christmas present.

Jerry

[JChlupsa]

has a replacement VIN been assigned by a state DMV? What 67 Z items are left? what options were factory if that can be figured out? RS/Z ???

[al8apex]

here is the link:

http://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/960085840.html

and another link for another 67 Camaro in Dayton

http://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/961194482.html

[Jerry@CHP]

Jeff,

Here are the factory installed options. It is a real rally sport.

Merry Christmas,

Jerry

● AO1 tinted glass
● D55 center console
● J50 power brakes
● J52 disc brakes
● M21 close ratio 4-speed transmission
● U17 special instrumentation
● U63 AM radio
● U73 rear antenna
● Z22 rally sport equipment
● Z23 special interior group
● Z28 Z28 special engine and equipment with cowl plenum air cleaner

[Charley Lillard]

I'm guessing it has some kind of paperwork ?

[Jerry@CHP]

No paperwork, all of the options were figured out from the car itself. Many tell tails were left on the body.

Jerry

[Steve Shauger]

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I'm guessing it has some kind of paperwork ?

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I wouldn't feel comfortable dumping money in a car with virtually no identification or provenance.

[Zedder]

I wouldn't feel comfortable dumping money in a car with virtually no identification or provenance.

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I don't think anyone in their right mind would!

[Charley Lillard]

The only thing I can think of that would make me think Z28 would be the tach redline combined with a smallblock heater core. Seems to me a guy could add the right tach to a non Z with all the right options an be at the same place ?

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Jerry M says it's a real Z....that would be enough for me!

[firstgenaddict]

Original paint, if it is able to be saved would be the kicker here... 30k... hope he gets it.

[Zedder]

Even if it has original paint, what have you got for $30K? A body with no VIN or Trim tag that's maybe good to make into a race car at best??? Anyone who restores the car will be upside down instantly and will be stuck with it. Would you pay $100K for a Z with no paperwork, no original motor/tranny, a repop Trim tag and a state issued VIN?

[Charley Lillard]

I forgot about orig paint with the stripes...Also pointed out to me would be the tire sticker...

[Steve Shauger]

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Jerry M says it's a real Z....that would be enough for me!

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The fact of the matter is that it is a very questionable car due to the items removed. This car is going to require a complete restoration to start and all the missing parts. When finished as Mark stated you will have a repop trim tag and state issued VIN and a car with out its original drivetrain.

Its irrelavent who blessed the car as real. Who ever buys it must accept the car with all its questions. Then be willing to sink big bucks into the car..

[Stefano]

????? It is one of approx 602 ever produced 1967 Z28s and it is one of only approx. 200 that have been found and accounted for in the registry.

I'm just glad that someone has taken the time to account for and document these special cars, no matter their condition.

It is a job /task that many will not line up for!!

Many may even have "hidden" historical significance.

If this Z would have happened to be one of the Few delivered to Nickey Chevrolet which were prepped for Road Racing, then I can say, call me what you want, I'd be interested, even without the public VIN and trim tag.

The hidden VIN(S) override the public VIN. Exact "GM" reproduction VINs have been stamped for years. Yes, I know that it is illegal, point is that it gets done.

There are numerous potential tells on an original paint Z28 that will prove with the same degree of accuracy and beyond a reasonable doubt that the car is Indeed a real Z28, even more so than one which may have been totally restored.

If it doesn't trip your trigger, then keep your cash in your pocket.

BTW,

Merry Christmas Everyone

[302moz]

I am looking for a 67z to restore and there are a few out there for sale . The problem is the people that own them have no clue what a correct restoration costs.I do alot of my own work and you cant restore anything for under 40-50k in parts and misc. labor.I added the restoration costs up over and over again on the car I am doing now and it comes out to about 50k. The parts a 67z are always missing are the big ones, 266,wheels,carb,fan and clutch.There is another nice 67z for sale right now,but it is only a shell for 75k. You take 75k plus about 60k to do the car and you are in trouble.I have never seen a 67 worth 140k restored non matching numbers. A nice restorable car is worth about 50k max. The one in Ohio is going to be a tough to sell for any amount of money. A restoration takes alot of time and money and you have to end up with something good when you are done or its not worth it.

[njsteve]

Since there is no state-issued replacement VIN for the car which would allow you to title the car, you are risking everything if you buy a car without the original VIN tag.

Add in the fact that it was an alleged insurance claim car (theft recovery? fire? flood?) with no current VIN and you could well be restoring a car for it's original owner who, depending on whether he (or even the original insurance company) was fully paid for the original claim, may still have rights to the car.

I would not even take that car for free! In the event a prior owner popped up, the legal fees defending your "title" to the car would be astronomical.

[fiveforty]

There are just to many issues. A total loss car that still has the original paint? I remember back then seeing alot of cars with DMV issued VINs but still had the trim tag. If someone is going to buy that car they should have there DMV run a check on that VIN to make sure it is not on something already registered.

[Jerry@CHP]

Well guys, the bottom line is this, it's a real 67 Z28, one of 602 built. There are only about 200 known to exist after 20 years of running the national registry.

It's a real red rally sport. Is the seller going to get $29K for this car in its current condition and economy, I doubt it.

I'm sure that anyone on this site would have bought this car if the price was right regardless of the issues??

It's been found, documented and should be restored. It will never have the value of a 67 Z28 with OEM drive train and paperwork, but it's still a real 1967 Z28.

Merry Christmas,

Jerry

[Steve Shauger]

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Since there is no state-issued replacement VIN for the car which would allow you to title the car, you are risking everything if you buy a car without the original VIN tag.

Add in the fact that it was an alleged insurance claim car (theft recovery? fire? flood?) with no current VIN and you could well be restoring a car for it's original owner who, depending on whether he (or even the original insurance company) was fully paid for the original claim, may still have rights to the car.

I would not even take that car for free! In the event a prior owner popped up, the legal fees defending your "title" to the car would be astronomical.

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That exact scenario happened with a COPO. The car was stolen, VIN removed and recovered with no VIN. Second owner purchased car with state assigned VIN, eventually the orig (hidden) VIN was discovered and orig owner claimed the car.

Also we don't want to condone the use of repop trim tags or VIN's, thats just bad for the hobby.

[Jerry@CHP]

Not the case with this car, I'm just not at liberty to say what happened here. That's up to my client to share.

How about the two Yenkos with the same vin that came out of Marshall Chevrolet in Reading, PA. I have been working on this case over the past year and a half. Talk about not good for the hobby. NG!

Jerry

[firstgenaddict]

It's a good candidate to be a race car like yours Jerry...

[Jerry@CHP]

James,

That's an option but believe me when I tell you, this car is better off as a budget resto 67 Z28. Trust me, going the NHRA Stock Eliminator route is more $$$$ than a good resto w/ NOS parts. For example, Jerico 4-spd; $4200, Long Shifter; $550, good comp eliminator light weight clutch; $3000, step headers with merge collectors; $3000, Race Pac data logger; $3000, 12-bolt M/W rear axle with light weight spool and rear disc brakes; $4500, and if you get an engine builder to build you a competitive engine as in a 302, 396, etc, figure $15-20K for a turn key 302 from one of the top engine builders. Then you need a nicely set up Holley; $1200, ignition system, fuel system, And on, and on.

Merry Christmas to all,

Jerry

[shor]

dont forget the trailer!

[BARNFOUND YENKO]

If you take the serious drag racing route plan on two of those $20k engines as well as a spare jerico. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Jerry@CHP]

I was posting the budget racer program.......LOL

And not just any trailer, has to be a Motorsport or Gold Rush aluminum trailer.

Jerry

Jerry

[Salvatore]

Hey Jerry! It is still a heck of a lot more fun IMO than another cookie cutter resto. or trailer queen sitting at car shows! Stock/SuperStock racing in NHRA DIV-1 is the greatest! I bet you are real happy to be part of it and actually someone to recon with on the drag strip. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Kim_Howie]

I agree, drive them like you stoled it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[firstgenaddict]

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I agree, drive them like you stoled it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

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Trailer Queens are cool if you drive them... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif