Parts Washer Solution?

[72-SS-L48]

I'm in the market for a parts washer. I was just wondering what type of fluid you guys use in your parts washers. I've read people are using everything from dish soap, to simple green, to different types of thinners.

Any thoughts? Also is there a particular solution that is safer than others?

Thanks,
Dave

[TDW]

I have a Saftey-Kleen 25 gallon machine. I bought the machine from them. When it needs a fluid change, I call them and they come rite out. It costs about 70 bucks for a change. They will fill and service any brand of machine if you don't want to buy theirs. That way I don't have to worry about getting rid of the contanimated fluid either.You can give them a call and see what kind of deal they will make you.

[Casey Marks]

I too have the Safety Kleen option - 30 gallon. As stated, they just come out and swap out the guck ... and I mean guck. All fresh and nice for the next time around. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Chateau Slate 66]

Skip all the "green" options that are out there IMO. I have tried several of them with little or no luck whatsoever.

The only thing that really works is the good old cleaning solution that I believe is still mineral spirits in most cases. I agree that paying for a service to handle the gunk is the best way to go if it fits your budget.

[72-SS-L48]

Thanks for the replies guys. I will look into having a company come and service the system / change the fluid.

Is mineral spirits safe to use in the shop? Is it known for causing cancer or other unwanted illnesses?

Thanks,

Dave

[mockingbird812]

If you use the mineral spirits or other petro based solutions - please, please where appropriate gloves!!

[72-SS-L48]

I was on the Safety Kleen website and I did find that they have a location about 20 minutes away.

What specific solutions do you guys use? I did not see a mineral spirits on their website.

Thanks,
Dave

[TDW]

I use their regular ol cleaning fluid. If I remember correctly, they have 2 different solutions. One is a fast drying that smells a little strong, the other is slow to air dry but smells better. Like said above, use the gloves. I didn't for years. Now if it gets on my hands they dry out real fast.

[Chateau Slate 66]

I just looked at their website as well. Looking at the MSDS sheets, it looks like their "solvent" cleaner option is the one that uses mineral spirits. Perfectly safe if regular safety precautions are taken.

[72-SS-L48]

Great Guys. Thank you!

[SSJunkie68-69]

Here's a product that out performs Safety Kleen as well as Simple Green. It's water based and is a better solution to using solvents. It is much easier on the enviroment as well as the saftey of the operator.

This stuff works and lasts longer. Please check it out:

http://www.hurrisafe.com/automotivedegreasers/9450partswashersol.html

I have been working with this product line since 1993 and it truly is amazing. This company manufactures products that work, are safe for the enviorment as well as the operator. They really do care.

[mockingbird812]

Tom - thanks for the info on Hurrisafe. How do you get this stuff to your home/shop? Are there limitations on the types of parts washers you can use with this solvent? Cost for a 55 gal drum?

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[Mr.Nickey Nova]

Dave,
Just go to the hardware store and get a gal.container of mineral spirits then start cleaning.Make sure you put on saftey glasses and gloves and you are good to go.

[x Baldwin Motion]

Not to put a damper on this thread and the info within, but we used to have a sticky post with a sensible warning about contact with cleaning fluids and the inherent dangers.
I can't find it. Maybe 12-24 months ago?

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[Mr70]

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[x Baldwin Motion]

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I was searching under "caution" and "warning" not <u>""DANGER"" </u>

Please take note everyone, this is serious.

[72-SS-L48]

Thank you for bring that post back to life. I too was wondering about it but failed to find it. That is why I was questioning the safety of mineral spirits.

Does anyone know "how safe" hurrisafe is compared to mineral spirits? Even if it takes longer to clean is simple green the best to use safety wise?

Thanks,
Dave

[SSJunkie68-69]

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Tom - thanks for the info on Hurrisafe. How do you get this stuff to your home/shop? Are there limitations on the types of parts washers you can use with this solvent? Cost for a 55 gal drum?



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Sam -

The cost of a 55 gallon drum will run somewhere around $600. You can not use a solvent based parts washer with this application. Here is an example of the type of parts washer that is needed.

http://www.hurrisafe.com/gs07f0782nequipment/pcimb4000partswasher.html

As far as getting it you can order direct. I have talked to the people at PCI of America, the manufacturer, and they will be happy to handle any order for people on this site. They are looking for distributors so if you are interested give them a call. They do have some set up already across the country and there may be one close by so please check the website.

[SSJunkie68-69]

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Dave,
Just go to the hardware store and get a gal.container of mineral spirits then start cleaning.Make sure you put on saftey glasses and gloves and you are good to go.

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I do beg to differ with you on that. For mineral spirits to be used properly the operator really needs to wear a full apron, gloves, safety glasses and a respriator. Failure to use this saftey equipment, especailly after pro longed use will lead to brain damage, lung damage, skin damage and possible cancer. For way too long people thought they didn't need all that saftey equipment but today we know otherwise.

Can you imagine walking into your mechanics shop and seeing the mechanic in a full respirator, plastic apron, gloves cleaning your parts.....................But if they don;t wear the recommended safety equipment when using Mineral Spirits to clean the substance is toxic to lungs and to the nervous system. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage as stated on their own MSDS

Mineral Spirits is sold under the names: Petroleum distillates (V.M.&amp;P. naphtha) is used as a quick evaporating paint thinner. Stoddard solvent is used in the dry cleaning industry. Mineral spirits is a general purpose thinner, a dry cleaning agent, and a solvent for paint and varnish industries. (Ref. 5.1.)

Mineral Spirits is Hazardous to skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation. Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (permeator).

Federal and State Regulations: TSCA 8(b) inventory: Mineral spirits

Other Regulations: OSHA: Hazardous by definition of Hazard Communication Standard (29 CFR 1910.1200).

WHMIS (Canada): CLASS B-3: Combustible liquid with a flash point between 37.8°C (100°F) and 93.3°C (200°F).

CLASS D-2A: Material causing other toxic effects (VERY TOXIC).

DSCL (EEC): R10- Flammable. R36/38- Irritating to eyes and skin.

OSHA Requires Protective Equipment: Gloves.Vapor respirator. Be sure to use an approved/certified respirator or equivalent. Wear appropriate respirator when ventilation is inadequate. Protective Apron to guard against splashes. Splash goggles.

Flammable, Combustible, Hazardous, HAP'S Regulated, 100% VOC, Waste must be transported and treated off site. Can not be used heated.

That is the stuff you have to worry about working with Mineral Spirits. The Hurrisafe product line has been tested and certified for use by the Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard and Marines. Some of these tests took 3 or more years to complete. Simple green is not a viable alternative as it has not been as tested as throughly as Hurri-Safe has. For the question about how safe the product is please take a look at this link and see PDF files that go into all of that. I do have a piece that shows the damage mineral spirits can do to body organs. I need to find it and post it. It will blow you away.

http://www.hurrisafe.com/gs07f0782nequipment/pcimb4000partswasher.html

Hope this helps~

Tom

[mockingbird812]

What he said. Good stuff to LIVE by Tom. Thanks! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[SSJunkie68-69]

More Stuff on the Dangers out there

http://www.lungusa.org/occupational/solvents.html

http://www.lungusa.org/occupational/solvents.html


Do You Know The Health and Safety Effects Of The Part Washer Fluids listed below?

According to the Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS), overexposure of these part cleaning products:
May Cause One Or More Of The Following Health Conditions:


Death Headaches
CNS Depression Nausea
Dermatitis Pulmonary Injury
Convulsions Pulmonary Edema
Respiratory Problems Liver Damage
Chemical Pneumonia Kidney Damage
Skin Irritation Tremors
Dizziness Impaired Coordination


Safety Kleen 105 Solvent #6617 (Source: http://www.msdsonline.com)
Possibly causes irritaiton and dermatitis. May cause headache, dizziness, nausea, impaired coordination, anesthesia and may have other central nervous system effects. Perchloroethylene is listed by IARC as a possible carcinogen and is classified by NTP as having limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans or sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in experimental animals.


Safety Kleen 140 Solvent #6616 (Source: http://www.msdsonline.com)
Eye irritation, Skin irritaiton and dermatitis. Respiratory tract irritation, headache, dizziness, nausea, impaired coordination, anesthesia, CNS effects, CNS depression, vomiting, and throat irritaiton. Inhalation into lungs causing pulmonary injury and death.


CRC Brake Kleen #05089 (Source: http://www.msdsonline.com)
Headaches, dizziness, drunkenness, irritation to upper respiratory tract, unconsciousness and irregular heartbeat. Chronic repeated overexposures have caused liver and kidney effects in lab animals. The NTP and IARC list carcinogenicity


Mineral Spirits (Source: http://msds.pcd.cornell.edu)
Irritation to respiratory tract, headaches, dizziness, anesthesia and may have have other CNS effects. Small amounts aspirated into the respiratory system during ingestion induced by vomiting, may cause bronchiopneumonia or pulmonary edema


Kerosene (Source: http://www.msdsonline.com)
Inhalation of mist or vapor may cause respiratory tract irritation, at high concentrations, CNC depression and skin irritation. Prolonged or repeated contact may cause skin dermatitis. Inhalation may cause tracheitis, bronchitis, pneumonia and malaise.


ZEP Dyna Blue #0369 (Source: http://www.zep.com)
Overexposure to the vapors may produce mucous irritation of the eyes and respiratory tract. Overexposure may also produce mild CNS depression characterized by headache, dizziness, nausea and stupor, leading to unconsciousness in extreme cases. Introduction of solvents, as in aspiration of vomitus fluid, may produce chemical pneumonia. Existing respiratory disorders and lung diseases may be aggravated by inhalation of vapors.

Some of the listed parts washer products are also known to contain carcinogens, which are agents that can cause cancer. Be sure to review each parts washer products Material Data Sheet.

[TDW]

I should be dead from that stuff. Been using the Safety-Kleen stuff for decades.

[SSJunkie68-69]

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I should be dead from that stuff. Been using the Safety-Kleen stuff for decades.

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Thank God you're not. Others have not been so lucky~

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

Let's face it,nothing out there is safe when it comes to cleaning agents.You just have to use some commonsense when using these products.I have used mineral spirits a few times in the past and has worked pretty good for me,but used it on a small scale.If your going to clean parts on a daily bases then try and look for a safer product. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Xplantdad]

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I should be dead from that stuff. Been using the Safety-Kleen stuff for decades.

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Crap...when I first started at the Olds-Honda-Delorean dealer that I worked at...one of my jobs was to clean the mechanics work area floors on Friday evenings. What was I told to use?

Safety-Kleen...pumped out of the drum...spread on the concrete floors with a mop...and squeegeed into the parking lot. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Nice... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[P.J.]

It is realy sad to read that many members here are still using these dangerous products without proper safety equipment to their detriment.It will be too late for you when the doctor says to you have a cancer that could of been prevented.
Your skin absorbs these chemicals and quickly travel to your liver.there are safer materials availiable to use just surf the web to find them.
Work safe
PJ

[firstgenaddict]

I remember the days when it was nothing to dip your hands in some nasty stuff...

I think the same company who makes the safest rust remover makes an environmentally sound cleaner which breaks down carbon, that was the ulimate product to clean the holland tunnels in NYC.
Actually the product is called Ultra One cleaner.
www.safestrustremover.com (http://www.safestrustremover.com) then link to ultra one.

The problem is that once all of the carbon and heavy metals are in solution they penetrate as well.

[72-SS-L48]

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I remember the days when it was nothing to dip your hands in some nasty stuff...

I think the same company who makes the safest rust remover makes an environmentally sound cleaner which breaks down carbon, that was the ulimate product to clean the holland tunnels in NYC.
Actually the product is called Ultra One cleaner.
www.safestrustremover.com (http://www.safestrustremover.com) then link to ultra one.

The problem is that once all of the carbon and heavy metals are in solution they penetrate as well.

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I have been using Ultra One probably for 3 or 4 years now. I love the stuff, and from what I know it seems to be "safe". Thoughts on using it in a parts washer?

By the way I'm getting the standard 20 gallon static parts washer. The cheap one -$129.

Thanks for all the reply's! This website proves priceless time and time again. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

-Dave

[72-SS-L48]

Any thoughts on Ultra One in a Parts Washer?

Thanks,

Dave