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Xplantdad
02-16-2009, 02:12 AM
Chris asked me to do a write up for him to share in the Members Rides section of the site. Many of you will recognize some of the photos used here as I have used them a few in other posts before. I hope that you all enjoy it and love this great piece of American Racing History as much as Chris and I do.


Thanks for this wonderful site and have a great day,


67L78conv



I would like to take a minute to introduce you all to the newest member of my muscle car family taking up residence in the Garaj Mahal, a 1,495 mile numbers matching 1967 Camaro SS L78 375hp 396 convertible known back in the day as the “BATCAR”. I hope you all enjoy it as much as Chris is sure to. The car will be restored to original condition over the course of the next year right down to NOS Redline tires that still have the painted date code on the treads. Here is a little background and history on the car.

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Jan 2009 Photo taken in the Garaj Mahal after the new baby arrived.




A History of the L78 in 1967-

In 1967 Chevrolet had determined that no vehicle would be fitted with an engine that produced more than 1bhp for every 10 pounds of weight other than their flagship the Corvette. At 3,325 pounds for the base V8 convertible the Camaro was the second lightest vehicle available from Chevrolet that year, even lighter than the Corvette by a mere 35 pounds. By the end of 1966 it seemed that the Camaro had received all the engines that Chevy was going to give it with the late introduction of the L35 325hp 396 in November and the 290hp 302 Z28 near the end of the calendar year in December.

On March 17th 1967 that all changed. A rule in both NHRA and AHRA had been introduced earlier giving a special weight break to convertibles and the door was open for any manufacturer willing to shoehorn a high horse big block into the engine bay of lightweight car. On the 17th Chevrolet announced it was adding the potent L78 375hp (rated) 396 to the Camaro engine lineup to its dealers. Although the new engine was said to be a detuned version of the 1965 Corvette 396 which was rated at 425hp many beg to differ. The 1967 version used the same, bore, stroke, cam, compression, cfm, in fact the 1967 specifications were identical in every respect except for one. The hp rating in 1965 was 425 at 6,400rpm, in 1967 the rating had dropped to 375 at 5,600rpm. No matter how you rate it a potent combination was created and the other manufacturer racers were about to be educated in exactly what the rear of a Camaro looked like as they would be seeing it often. When talking to the vintage racers of these cars they all stated the same thing, out of the box with very little tuning these cars were capable of pulling into the low 12’s with 4.10’s in the rear. Unfortunately we have no proof of this in hand and a road test was never done to record it, instead the 1967 L78 Chevelle Coupe numbers were used as reference.

It was never advertised in 1967 that the new RPO L78 was able to be had by anyone willing to check off the RPO and pay the then whopping $500.35 when placing their order. When these cars were ordered they came in all varieties from the ultimate low option stripped race car shown here to wildly optioned examples with everything from disc brakes to tilt wheels. In total 1,138 L78’s were produced for the Camaro line, of which we are not sure just how many were convertibles as Chevrolet did not keep records. If you play the percentages game there would have been approximately 132 produced. Popular predictions from researchers of these cars range from 70 to 140 depending on who you talk to. In the end the one pictured above is one of 36 known confirmed examples (based on the Camaro registry kept by Mike aka 67L78conv on this site) and one of just 5 that are confirmed to retain their original drive line.

The History of the “BATCAR”-

On a cold rainy day in April of 1967, ok, we have no idea what day it was or what it was like. Some time in April Dave Conner of Rod Shop race driver infamy walked into Mahlen Maxton Chevrolet in Worthington Ohio and proceeded to check off the boxes for a new Camaro destined to be an all out terror on the race track. In the end he only checked off three boxes, RPO L78 for the 375hp 396, RPO M21 for the Muncie close ratio 4 speed transmission (yes the Muncie M21 was an option in 1967 that all but 7 L78 buyers purchased) and lastly the G80 Posi rear with 4.10 gears. The final color decision was black, black top with gold interior. After some time word came down that there was a delay in getting the car with the 4.10 rear and he would either have to wait or take a different gear ratio which he opted for to speed things up and had the dealer change the gears out to the correct 4.10’s. Conner wasted no time getting the car on the track, in fact he had only changed the tires, not even taking the window sticker out of it before making his first ¼ mile pass in it. If there was ever any question of just what a brute these cars were like out of the box just take a look at the front end lift in this literally day two photo.




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May 1967 Photo taken the day after the vehicle was purchased by David and Judy Conner.





Not long after the car would get its first paint scheme, the black and gold BATCAR colors as seen in this winter of 1968 photo taken at Raceway Park in New Jersey. This would be the color scheme for the car while it was raced by Conner while being sponsored by Mr. Auto Store of West Salem Ohio and his own business Conner Construction.



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Undated early photo of first paint scheme prior to sponsorship decal application.




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Fall of 1968 First paint scheme pre Rod Shop




Later on Dave Conner’s successes on the track would bring him to the attention of and have him join the ranks of the race drivers working for the Rod Shop. Racing this car along with the other drivers they would create one of the most notorious and famous of race franchises of the day. The car would be given the familiar red, white and blue paint scheme that became one of their trade marks on the track. They were so successful that Mopar courted them to race their vaunted Hemi powered race cars.



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December 1969 Issue of Popular Hot Rodding feature article “The Rod Shop All Star Drag Team”



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Although this later photo taken of the second owner is post Rod Shop it is a great color example of the color scheme the Rod Shop used.




The L78 power plant in the car was short lived though. It was not blown up like most would expect but the L78’s were such a dominating engine in the class that NHRA and AHRA made a rule change rating the engine at the 1965 425 hp rating. As a result the engine with less than 500 miles on it (mostly from flat towing) was pulled and replaced with an L35 325 hp version. Luckily both Conner and the second owner Sherman Gerlach both kept the engine and virtually every other part replaced or upgraded on the car shelved including the entire engine, carb to pan, trans and rear end.

Under Conner the car would rack up an impressive number of wins including being the 1968 NHRA Winternationals winner setting a world record in the process, 1968 Indy Best Ap car, 1968/69 AHRA national record holder in F/S, 1969 AHRA and NHRA Winternationals Champion in SS/IA, 1969 NHRA Record Holder SS/IA and 1970 NHRA Division 3 Champion SS to name a few.




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1970 RoD ShoP promotional with the current vehicles of the year. The Batcar is the left car in the second row.




After the Rod Shop picked up the Hemi contract Conner decided it was time to let the car go to a new owner. The vehicles second owner from 1971 until Jan 2009 was a race car driver and currently a race engine builder named Sherman Gerlach, a nicer gentleman you could never ask to meet. Sherman was no slouch himself campaigning the car to an NHRA national record and win in the 1972 Indy Nationals and the 1972 Bristol Nationals winner in SS/IA along with many other victories before retiring the car in 1974. Sherman would eventually hang up his gloves and turn the reigns over to his sons who still race today with their father building and tuning their engines for them.



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Sherman Gerlach and son Kenny after winning the 1972 Indy Nationals.




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1972 National Class Record Certificate.



Sherman after leaving the car to sit in his garage for a number of years decided it was time to return the car to its stock appearance repainting it to its original black with white nose stripe colors and returning it’s original parts to the engine bay. What was missing he found and installed like NOS dated spiral shocks. Although the car is not 100% correct (Yet) all of the major original dated components and sheet metal are intact right down to its original quarters, fenders and chrome. Some of the very few pieces that were replaced over the years are the carpets and seat belts. One of the most amazing pieces that this car retains is its original top with dated plastic rear window. When you look at the rear window the National Record Holder lettering that was placed on it has left an outline that is still visible to this day.



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Jan 2009 Second owner Sherman Gerlach and Chris meet for the first time.




In January 2009 Chris met with Sherman for the first time and saw the car that he would eventually purchase. Sherman had decided that it was time for the car to see a new home as he no longer desired to be its caregiver. After a careful inspection and some intense negotiation where Chris learned just how tough a negotiator Sherman was a deal was struck and the wheels were set in motion to bring the car to the Garaj Mahal. Over the course of the next year or so this car will be receiving one of the most correct and detailed restorations imaginable.

Keep checking back for more info as research into the cars history is still ongoing.





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At just 1,495 original miles this car is one of the lowest mileage 67 L78 examples to exist.




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Jan 2009 photo in Sherman Gerlachs Garage.




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Jan 2009 photo of interior.




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Jan 2009 photo of engine bay.




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Magazine featuring the Rod Shop All Star Drag Team




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Parts of the All Star article talking about the Batcar

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Nice set of tires!

66 L78 ragtop
02-16-2009, 02:23 AM
Chris,

Simply incredible...How do you find such cars? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

firstgenaddict
02-16-2009, 02:28 AM
Again... Mr P I am amazed...

mockingbird812
02-16-2009, 02:30 AM
Stupendous. Cool story. Great car. Congrats Chris!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

markjohnson
02-16-2009, 02:57 AM
WOW! What an incredible car and history to boot. Love the color combination!

BJCHEV396
02-16-2009, 03:06 AM
NICE!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

Charley Lillard
02-16-2009, 03:08 AM
all those pics and none of the best shot I had seen. It is showing the rear tire wrinkle and the car hooking up....

66 L78 ragtop
02-16-2009, 03:28 AM
[ QUOTE ]
all those pics and none of the best shot I had seen. It is showing the rear tire wrinkle and the car hooking up....

[/ QUOTE ]

You mean this photo?

http://www.chevroletcamaros.com/ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

67L78conv
02-16-2009, 03:30 AM
http://www.chevroletcamaros.com/BatCar/webpost/dalaunch.jpg

There you go Charley.

Slowly working on restoring a bunch of the vintage photos that can be posted later as well.

Shameless plug incoming. Finally back to work on the Camaros Site after a much longer than planned break from it. Next section to go up in the next week or two will be an interactive decoding section that will do the usual decoding but also allow for the entry of a cars non tagged options (tilt, posi, etc.) to come up with an approximate price of the car new minus destination charges.

SBR
02-16-2009, 04:38 AM
Chris, what an incredible story that is. That car looks great as is! I can only imagine how great it will look when completed. Congrats on yet another addition to your collection. BTW I love those redlines! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

Charley Lillard
02-16-2009, 04:55 AM
That is one great pic...Now restore it back to that condition and duplicate that shot.......Man that is cool.

69 L88
02-16-2009, 04:56 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Chris,

Simply incredible...How do you find such cars? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

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Yeah Chris, you have a great talent , when it comes to finding great cars, i.e. Kevin suydam , Mike Pillsbury....
nice job ,good luck on the resto.

Charley Lillard
02-16-2009, 05:21 AM
Mike Pillsbury.. I haven't heard that name in awhile.

Mr70
02-16-2009, 06:52 AM
What an awesome car w/history.
Color combo is just outstanding,and those tires.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif
What's the significance of "4K" on the license plate?
What was the full saying on the deck lid.."Huggers and..?

SIR-VIVOR
02-16-2009, 07:40 AM
Thanks! I don't know yet what was on the trunk in full. Will do some homework on that. 4K is the code on the trim tag for 396/375 L78

67L78conv
02-16-2009, 07:53 AM
http://www.chevroletcamaros.com/BatCar/webpost/early1967b.jpg

1969grb
02-16-2009, 07:53 AM
Very nice!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif Grady

Denis
02-16-2009, 09:44 AM
shwing

pSYCo
02-16-2009, 05:49 PM
[ QUOTE ]
That is one great pic...Now restore it back to that condition and duplicate that shot.......Man that is cool.

[/ QUOTE ] I'LL DRIVE !!!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

Rock-Ola
02-16-2009, 07:53 PM
I got shotgun!

pSYCo
02-16-2009, 08:54 PM
welcome aboard MIKE !

ANDY M
02-16-2009, 10:01 PM
The first pic of the car with the "Batcar" painted on it was taken at Kil Kare Dragway in Xenia, OH.
http://www.kilkare.com/
If you look at the tower you can make out the name.
The last pic of the car racing was taken at National Trails Raceway in Kirkersville, OH. Both tracks are still there and racing.
Maxton Chevrolet is still in existance, and is still selling hi-performance Chevys. They sold 5 COPO Camaros in '69, all of them still inexistance, one owned by a member here.
I have posted pics of Maxtons Friday night cruis-ins many times in the lounge.
Great find, Chris. This car has found a great new home. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

1969l78
02-16-2009, 10:35 PM
very cool

firstgenaddict
02-16-2009, 11:30 PM
In the Rod Shop Paint scheme with Gerlach on the door... Did anyone notice the Belmont White with Blue bumblebee RS/SS 67 Camaro with BB call outs?

JAD
02-16-2009, 11:57 PM
When it was delivered to our garage I offered Chris his money back in case he had buyers remorse.I love that car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TimG
02-17-2009, 12:20 AM
I need to make a trip to see it soon. I may have a reason to visit this week. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

66 L78 ragtop
02-17-2009, 03:48 AM
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In the Rod Shop Paint scheme with Gerlach on the door... Did anyone notice the Belmont White with Blue bumblebee RS/SS 67 Camaro with BB call outs?

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The car you are referring to was Lance Hill's BB Canadian Pace Car...Pretty cool to see Chris's Bat Car and Lance Hill's Drag Pacer together in the same photo...It believe it was also an L78 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

Would have been very cool to see those two square off http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/66Chevelle1/scan_edited.jpg

CC Rider
02-17-2009, 04:47 AM
Great story! Thanks! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

x Baldwin Motion
02-17-2009, 06:13 AM
Wow. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif Beautiful Car!!



I had a pal in High School that wrecked his Black 67 396 Camaro vert, I have a picture around here somewhere.

Rock-Ola
02-17-2009, 07:10 AM
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welcome aboard MIKE !

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Thanks Dru!

67L78conv
02-17-2009, 08:17 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
In the Rod Shop Paint scheme with Gerlach on the door... Did anyone notice the Belmont White with Blue bumblebee RS/SS 67 Camaro with BB call outs?

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The car you are referring to was Lance Hill's BB Canadian Pace Car...Pretty cool to see Chris's Bat Car and Lance Hill's Drag Pacer together in the same photo...It believe it was also an L78 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

Would have been very cool to see those two square off http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/66Chevelle1/scan_edited.jpg

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Have done a little research into the Lance Hill car as I was interested in learning more about it as reported to be an L78. Turns out the car was originally a factory TH400 L35 325hp 396 car according to Lance himself according to a researchers information on the Pace Car site. That in itself is somewhat disappointing as it means it will never be added to the registry as an L78 but it is not all there is to it. Turns out the car is a Canadian version of the Pace Car made for the MOSPORT GP and sold there then purchased by Hill to be converted into a race car in 1970. Could write an entire thread on that one to but this is all about the BATCAR.

Back to the BATCAR, more pics incoming in a day or two.

http://www.numbersmatch.com/BatCaryenko/gerlach197b.jpg

http://www.numbersmatch.com/BatCaryenko/gerlach197c.jpg

6t7 camaro
02-18-2009, 04:10 AM
Does the "Midwest Auto Parts" drag Camaro still exist? And was it a L78 car?

Xplantdad
02-18-2009, 04:51 AM
Chris...thanks for volunteering another one of your awesome cars from your stable! I LOVE 67 big block Camaros anyways...but this car is just way cool...

Thanks to Mike for getting the info to me as well!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

Charley Lillard
02-18-2009, 05:31 AM
Chris...at least think vinyl graphics....

SIR-VIVOR
02-18-2009, 05:40 AM
I'm thinking about burnouts with slicks! We'll see.

midyr
02-18-2009, 04:21 PM
I received an e-mail advising there was a picture of one of my old race cars on the site.

This thread is about Sherman Gerlach and his car, and should be, and so I will only add that the pic of the Lance Hill Camaro racing Tim Richard's SS/DA Hemi car was taken during Super Stock Eliminator at the 1971 Grandnationals where the Camaro was #1 qualifier with an 11.36 on its own NHRA National Record of 11.61, and went on to 4 cars remaining before breaking out against Dean Nicopolous's Hemi car while hard on the brakes.

Actually, the Pace Car Trust guys advise that the Belmont car turns out to be one of the most rare of all Camaros to come out of Norwalk. Who knew, or cared, at the time, right?

Dave Connor and Sherm Gerlach raced with us in Division 3 and we all knew each other pretty well. I am real glad to see that Sherm was able to not only preserve his car, but to do it so well. Good on you, Sherm.

Lance Hill

midyr
02-18-2009, 04:29 PM
If you are referring to Dick Arons' 1967 Maroon coupe that Dick won the 67 Super Stock Nationals with and runner-upped to Ed Miller's Hemi car in the famous $10,000 World Finals race in 67, it was an L35 with Turbo 400 trans but I can't remember if it started out that way or not. Don't know whatever happened to it, but hope it has survived as it is one truly historic Camaro. Dickie works at Dart with Maskin so anybody could call there and ask him. If you do, say hello for me.

Lance Hill

Z28fan
02-18-2009, 05:51 PM
Here's a photo of the Bat Car courtesy of Mr.Bill Truby. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif I believe this was taken at Pittsburg.

http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/43120/2240314110100932375S600x600Q85.jpg

firstgenaddict
02-18-2009, 11:56 PM
does the car still have aluminum fenders?

6t7 camaro
02-19-2009, 02:47 AM
Actually I was refering to the white 67 big block ragtop. Somewhere on this site there is a photo of it going up against "The Old Reliable" 68 Z. Really cool picture. The history on these first gen Camaro drag cars is all new to me and really quite interesting. From day one purchase at the dealership to race car, to retirement, destruction, or restoration they all have a story. Fascinating stuff.

Verne_Frantz
02-19-2009, 05:34 AM
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I'm thinking about burnouts with slicks! We'll see.

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I like your thinking Chris! Along with preservation......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

SIR-VIVOR
02-19-2009, 06:14 AM
Thank you all for your kind comments. Lance Hill, thanks for chiming in. I'll pass your comments on to Sherman. A special thanks to Sherman Gerlach for having the forsight to save the original drivetrain and save the car for 39 years! I am more than proud to be the new caretaker. Chris

Stefano
02-20-2009, 09:47 PM
Killer Camaro http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

Congrats.

6t7 camaro
02-24-2009, 02:00 AM
Bruce in the L78 history you mention that all but 7 cars came with the M21. What did those 7 cars come equipped with? I have seen one that came from the factory with a 3 spd std; was the turbo 400 available?

67L78conv
02-26-2009, 05:22 AM
Standard transmission with the L78 in 1967 was the M13 heavy duty 3 speed manual transmission but dealers very heavily pushed the M21 and in some cases the customers were actually told that they had no choice but to get the M21 at the added cost if they ordered the L78. Optional transmissions included the M20 and M21 four speed transmissions, no automatics were available for order with the L78. Of the 7 cars that did not receive the M21 two received the M13 and one received the M20 based on documentation for these cars. The remaining 4 cars are currently either unaccounted for or there is no substantiating documentation to say what was installed at least as far as my registry goes, CRG may have more info but I am not sure.

There were three L78's that technically received an automatic but are special engineering vehicles that eventually were de-tuned to the equivalent of the L34 350hp 396. I generally do not count these three in the L78 list even though they were born as L78's since they are special purpose built cars for Chevrolet use. These three cars were the primary track car built to pace the Indy 500 in 1967 #92, the back up Pace Car #90 which was to take over the pacing duties should a mechanical issue arise with #92 and the proving ground test mule #91.

TimG
02-26-2009, 06:00 PM
Great information, Michael. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Charley Lillard
02-26-2009, 07:09 PM
My # 92 Pace car was built as a L78 4 speed and then converted to a L34 auto so it never really was a L78 Auto.

6t7 camaro
02-27-2009, 01:23 AM
Mike, I have to agree with Tim, great info. I had always heard that a 4spd. was the only choice. Then a few years back there was a car advertised on ebay as simply a "big block 67 Camaro". The picture of the trim tag showed a 2B and a 4K. Who knew it was 1 of 2. I think I stil have auction listing somewhere. Time to go give it a second look.

67L78conv
02-27-2009, 05:07 AM
Thank you, I try to be as acurate as possible in all my posts but will readily admit I do not know everything and learned long ago that whatever you think GM did in 1967 there is likely something that was done differently if even for a day.

Sorry for the error Charley, I thought at one point the auto was mated up before the conversion to the L34. I have actually never been able to get my hands on copies of any of the engineering paperwork for any of the changes on the three cars sadly. One day I will find someone willing to share.

Dave, I am not sure I saw that auction but would be very interested in any info you are willing to share on it, in particular the tag and any associated paperwork that was pictured. Feel free to PM me if you have it and do not mind.

Charley Lillard
02-27-2009, 05:17 AM
The engineering paperwork is in books somewhere. It is the paperwork that Vince Piggins gave to Al Young when they had # 92. Vince told them that contrary to the engineering order, they only built two cars not three. I will try to post paperwork in another thread if I can find where I have it on my computer.

6t7 camaro
02-28-2009, 08:41 PM
Mike, I called the owner from the EBAY listing. He is going to try to get me in touch with the current owner. I have the trim tag info; I'm hoping to get the VIN # and any other details he might have on the car. I'll be in touch. Are you going to be at Carlisle this year?

67L78conv
02-28-2009, 10:44 PM
Currently counting on it but with the way the economy is going it may only be a one day trip this year, my company has lost 40% of its 2009 projects in Jan/Feb alone. Appreciate you following up.

SS427
03-01-2009, 12:46 AM
Awesome story and car. Congrats to you Chris as new caretaker of one very special car.

What is the story on the aluminum fenders?

SIR-VIVOR
03-01-2009, 02:17 AM
Thank You! The "Bat Aluminum" fenders was just a spoof.

Xplantdad
04-03-2009, 06:35 PM
I got this from Chris...It's in the new Hemmings!

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/lotsayenkopics/Members%20Rides/Chris%20P%20Bubbletop%20409/Batcar%20L78%20Camaro/tn_scan0114.jpg

67L78conv
05-22-2009, 06:34 AM
Came across a couple more shots while sorting out some files on my computer. Have to check with Sherman next time I talk to him to see when exactly they are from but the sticker on the side window is for the 1972 NHRA Nationals Class Champion. Enjoy.

http://musclecarmediallc.com/posts/batcarcorner.jpg



http://musclecarmediallc.com/posts/batcarside.jpg

http://musclecarmediallc.com/posts/classchamp.jpg

mockingbird812
05-22-2009, 06:42 AM
Great stuff Michael. Chris' beautiful mount has outstanding race history. Congrats!!!


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

Xplantdad
06-20-2009, 06:36 AM
And....here is a screen capture from Youtube!
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/lotsayenkopics/Members%20Rides/Chris%20P%20Bubbletop%20409/Batcar%20L78%20Camaro/tn_batcar.jpg

67L78conv
06-20-2009, 09:43 PM
Lot's of cool old launches in the video. BatCar is first one.

Link to the video!!!

Video Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU0BUFg1CxA&eurl=http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t%3D201085%26page%3D144&feature=pla yer_embedded)

bashton
03-22-2010, 08:21 PM
An amazing car that has clearly found the right home.

I just got off the phone with Chris P. and am happy to announce, the "Batcar" will be shown at Muscle Car & Corvette Nationals II.

We will be treated to a very special display that Chris is working on already with some unexpected surprises.

Many Thanks to Chris for helping us once again raise the bar with a truly significant piece of 60's drag racing history.

Can't wait to see this one in person!!!

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

TimG
03-22-2010, 10:22 PM
Holy Big Block Batman, what's the Special Display going to be?

mockingbird812
03-22-2010, 10:24 PM
... appearance by Adam West? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Xplantdad
03-23-2010, 07:26 AM
Sounds like a great display is going to happen! If Chris has anything to do with it...it'll rock! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

MCACN...raising the bar...AGAIN! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

67L78conv
05-31-2010, 10:39 PM
As many of you know I had started a blog that I never did anything with over at my site. One of the many changes tot he site that I had been planning was to remove the blog and move it.

As of today the blog is now active and the first feature of the blog is the ongoing restoration of "The BatCar". With the approval of Chris I have added the text from the original post that I wrote for him here and have begun to add the pictures of the restoration and will continue to add more as time goes on and the restoration continues as well as more vintage pictures and other items.

The restoration can be seen at 1967 Camaro L78 Convertible "The BatCar" (http://chevrolets.info/?cat=36) or by visiting www.Chevrolets.info (http://www.chevrolets.info)

I hope everyone enjoys it!

Dave Rifkin
06-01-2010, 03:40 AM
From the looks of some of the pictures on your site the car looks like it's already been restored; am I missing something or is it being re-restored?

67L78conv
06-01-2010, 04:45 AM
The car was a nice driver condition when Chris picked it up solid but showing its age. He wanted to take it to an OH MY GOD THAT IS GORGEOUS LEVEL restoration. It is currently getting there. The pictures of the car from the old article originally posted on the first page here was with an older decent but not all that great paint job, lots of little things wrong with it, chrome showing its age, etc. The restoration of the car is basically taking an already very nice body original metal car and taking it to the an extreme top level restoration fixing anything and everything that is not already perfect.

GPM6367
03-27-2014, 06:53 PM
New to the forum and this thread...I need an update...big time...and photos...LOTS OF NEW PHOTOS!