Original AC A212CW Air Filter

[737Driver]

NOS air filter which does not include box. Very nicely yellowed. This filter, in my opinion, would not be assembly line correct for a vehicle prior to 1974. If it is your intent to have your pre-1974 car seriously judged, I would discourage you from purchasing this filter for that use. Otherwise, it would look great installed and perform as intended.

$60.00 which includes shipping to any paid member of this site.

Thanks,

Mark Donnally
859-612-9121

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[John Brown]

Mark, p.m. sent.

[737Driver]

John,

The filter is yours.

Thanks,

Mark

[70 Forest Green Zee]

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NOS air filter which does not include box. Very nicely yellowed. This filter, in my opinion, would not be assembly line correct for a vehicle prior to 1974. If it is your intent to have your pre-1974 car seriously judged, I would discourage you from purchasing this filter for that use. Otherwise, it would look great installed and perform as intended.


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This is the same filter Charley has posted pics from on his survivor "70 Z28" Why do you say it's not correct for pre 1974???

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[ORIGLS6]

I'm guessing the generally accepted filter for the '70 and earlier is the square mesh vs. the expanded metal.

[737Driver]

The question is: This is the same filter Charley has posted pics from on his survivor "70 Z28" Why do you say it's not correct for pre 1974???

Because John Hinckley has engineering data (documents) to support the date change. Should it be considered assembly line because a member has one on a car? Should it be considered that only if it is on a specific members car? Pete Lindahl has AC engineering documents to support specific date changes in the screen configuration on these filters, but, it seems the endless litany of opinions I see are based on someones personal opinions, or, so and so has one on his car or the judges look for this one or that one.

Charlie certainly has some great cars that could serve as examples. Charlie, is the air filter element on the car described in the above post absolutely known to be an original, or better yet, THE one that came attached on that car from the assembly plant? If so, how is that known?

Concerning the one I just sold, I said that 'it is my opinion' concerning the applicable date of use based on known engineering data. By the way, what do three question marks indicate?

Regards,

Mark

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Randy (Forest Green Z) is a pretty nice guy I'm sure he was just curious.

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[737Driver]

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I'm guessing the generally accepted filter for the '70 and earlier is the square mesh vs. the expanded metal.

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You surely seem to be a knowledgeable fellow based on what I've read from your posts, but, I'll respectfully point out you've stated yourself that you are 'guessing'.

[737Driver]

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Randy (Forest Green Z) is a pretty nice guy I'm sure he was just curious.

I would be willing to bet Randy is a great guy just like everyone else on this site. I'm just happy to be here...or anywhere for that matter. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ORIGLS6]

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I'm guessing the generally accepted filter for the '70 and earlier is the square mesh vs. the expanded metal.

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You surely seem to be a knowledgeable fellow based on what I've read from your posts, but, I'll respectfully point out you've stated yourself that you are 'guessing'.

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Exactly Mark. Not in any way questioning you. It was just a quasi response to Randy's query. No offense intended.

[737Driver]

Dennis, I didn't sense any disrespect from you at all. My apologies if it came across that way. I was just quoting you to make a point. Man oh man, it is a never ending job trying to discover all the running changes and really pin them down. I wish I would not have been born such an anal retentive. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ORIGLS6]

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[Mr70]

I think Mark's correct in his original description about this.
True,they did use cross mesh as well as diamond mesh filters on several assembly lines during the same time peroid,but those that started <u>"Best Way To</u> Protect Your Engine-Replace With AC Type A212CW" were what AC was producing during the late 1960's into early 1970's.
Sometime during 1974,they dropped the words <u>"Best Way To"</u>,and adopted the shortened version that Marks shows.
I talk among other parts hounds about these when they come up for sale,and we reference them Best Way or NOT Best Way filters.
I consider Charleys filter the original assembly line installed filter,and Marks correct for a 1974 or later assembly.
That yellowing is the original capture oil they saturated these with back then.
Very fairly priced considering what it is.

[737Driver]

I am going to start a thread on these filters in the technical discussion forum. Maybe together, we can all learn a little more about them.

Regards,

Mark

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Mark...it was not my intention to enter into a pissing match with you, I was just wondering where you came up with your info on this filter. I'm sure that you are a very nice guy too but the fact remains that Charley's 1100 mile un touched 1970 Z28 survivor car has this very filter element in it, and thus is contradictory to your statement of not being correct for pre 1974 vehicles..at any rate I wish I would have read this thread sooner, I would have bought it! Great item man!!!

[olredalert]

-----Mark,,,Ill bet that all the people that sit behind you while your at work appreciate your anal-retentivness!!! Three exclamation points there......Bill S

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Thanks Rick again for your input! Mark, I now see the difference...Charley's is a "Best way" and the one you sold is not. I would have never noticed that minor detail unless Rick pointed it out! At least the mystery for me is clear now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[ORIGLS6]

Good point Bill. Without the anal retentive type (admittedly, I suffer this syndrome as well http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif), how would we garner all the information this site has to offer.

Mark, NEVER (OK, so I shouldn't use that word http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif) give up the anal characteristic. Your passengers ride more comfortably knowing you're there, and it carries over into our hobby. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[737Driver]

Speaking of that, Jeff Skiles has been my First Officer on several occasions at US Airways. He is a great guy and a great pilot. He and Sully did a pretty job last month, didn't they?

[olredalert]

------Wow!!!,,,,Hes a celebrity now and justifiably so.........Bill S

[Charley Lillard]

"Charlie certainly has some great cars that could serve as examples. Charlie, is the air filter element on the car described in the above post absolutely known to be an original, or better yet, THE one that came attached on that car from the assembly plant? If so, how is that known?"

Norman stated to me that the only thing he did was remove the battery. It also looks like someone replaced one hose clamp but this car is very very untouched. I had to remove the air cleaner and pry the stuck lid off. It has never had the oil or filter changed. There is no way he would change the element after 1100 miles. He will be in Chicago when I have the car there in November. Great guy to talk to . When you talk to him and see th car up close you will have no doubts.

[ORIGLS6]

Charley,
Without going back through all the photos you've posted (and again, THANK YOU! ), can you tell me if the oil filter is printed (AC logo), and if so, is it in Red and Blue or just in Black? I remember a shot of the side and bottom showing the bottom embossing but I don't think it shows any logo imprint.