TERRIBLE NEWS! GM PERFORMANCE.........DEAD!

[markjohnson]

http://freiburgersjunkyard.com/blog/Bombshell-GM-Performance-Dead-For-Now.html

[John Brown]

So.....

the new Camaro gonna have 4 doors and an eco-tech 4 cylinder? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[AutoInsane]

Just when I was considering the purchase of a Chevy. I think they should just get it over with and merge with Toyota.

Lame, lame lame........

I guess I will be buying one from Nickey or one of the other tuners out there.....

[akcamaro]

I don't see how this daily "the sky is falling" BS from GM is going to make any one want to buy one of thier cars. I'm geeting pretty numb to it by now.

[JRSully]

Suprised it lasted this long... US Gov't (new owner of GM) has no interest in going fast

[70 copo]

Best steer clear of the hard core 5th generation websites you may have to dodge the people jumping out the windows... like 85% of the pre-orders were LS-3 equipped SS cars. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[lwkitt427]

WOW THE GREAT ONE THE KING HAS FALLEN TO FORD AND DOGE. WE SHOULD HAUL DOWN THE FLAG AND SURENDER. JUST WHEN GM WAS STARTING TO GIVE IT'S CUSTOMERS WHAT WANT THEY CALL IT QUIITS. I WAS READY TO BUY A CAMARO AND WAS HOPEING FOR A LS7 VERISON. I WOUNDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE ZO6 AND THE ZR1 IT IS A SAD DAY. I CAN REMBER WHEN WHAT WA GOOD FOR GM WAS GOOD FOR AMERICA. IF WE STOP LETTING THE INPORT COMP COME HERE AMD SELL THERE PRODUCT AND AND NOT ALLOW US THE SAME ACES TO THIER MARKETS WE ARE IN TRUOBLE

[PeteLeathersac]

Sad news no doubt but somehow I'm more upset about the news this board may be losing the Supercar Workshop!.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif
~ Pete

[1970Bluel78]

It could have said GM is Dead ( That may happen anyway ), In the current climate it's probably a good move for a short time. With the Nancy Pelosi's of the world watching there every move and GM looking for big hand outs

[Late BrakeU2]

I knew this was coming when they forced John Heinricy into early retirement last year. I had my doubt's if they would even get the Camaro in production,let alone an SS. You have to feel for the guy who paid over six figures for the right to buy the first retail LS3 built. On the flip side I'll bet there are a few fourth gen SS owners that are a little happier today.

[427king]

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US Gov't (new owner of GM) has no interest in going fast

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[Late BrakeU2]

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US Gov't (new owner of GM) has no interest in going fast

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Nascar,or do you mean in a politcal sense? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[427king]

The govt took over GM,now they wont have to put right blinkers on cars,they only want us to turn left.

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Man that's crazy!!

I was at the Chicago auto show and they were pushing the Camaro like you wouldn't believe. They had a crowd around the displays which was impressive.

Guess it's another example of the politicians (Both corporate and government) not understanding what moves cars.

I did notice a big big push on Hybrids.



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[Charley Lillard]

The SS Camaro was already designed etc. It is probably going to be built.

[Hylton]

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The SS Camaro was already designed etc. It is probably going to be built.

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This has been confirmed. All the engineering work for the possible return of the Z/28 has also been completed. It's when it's time for performance tweaking that things won't change. Anyone who wants the greatest Corvette ever built should be picking up a ZR-1 because your not going to be getting anything better than that for the next 10 years minimum (that is if GM is even around much longer).

[69L72RS]

Don't worry about the Corvette. I got a promo release picture of how GM will make the new Vettes ECO friendly and regulatory compliant.
They are being redesigned to follow suite after the Smart Car.

[70 copo]

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The SS Camaro was already designed etc. It is probably going to be built.

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This has been confirmed. All the engineering work for the possible return of the Z/28 has also been completed. It's when it's time for performance tweaking that things won't change. Anyone who wants the greatest Corvette ever built should be picking up a ZR-1 because your not going to be getting anything better than that for the next 10 years minimum (that is if GM is even around much longer).

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Reporting on the topic must be incomplete at this time since what you are saying is that the "death" of GMPP would apply to future products then?? I wonder what year then??

[Hylton]

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The SS Camaro was already designed etc. It is probably going to be built.

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This has been confirmed. All the engineering work for the possible return of the Z/28 has also been completed. It's when it's time for performance tweaking that things won't change. Anyone who wants the greatest Corvette ever built should be picking up a ZR-1 because your not going to be getting anything better than that for the next 10 years minimum (that is if GM is even around much longer).

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Reporting on the topic must be incomplete at this time since what you are saying is that the "death" of GMPP would apply to future products then?? I wonder what year then??

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GMPP will continue to sell parts just as they have during the last 40 years. Parts will just get a bit stale as we move forward because no new engineering will be done in house. Having said this, is anyone really disappointed in the LSA and LSX engines currently available?

[Hylton]

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Don't worry about the Corvette. I got a promo release picture of how GM will make the new Vettes ECO friendly and regulatory compliant.
They are being redesigned to follow suite after the Smart Car.

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[1969l78]

I still think the Camaro just will not happen. They waited way to long.

[70 copo]

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The SS Camaro was already designed etc. It is probably going to be built.

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This has been confirmed. All the engineering work for the possible return of the Z/28 has also been completed. It's when it's time for performance tweaking that things won't change. Anyone who wants the greatest Corvette ever built should be picking up a ZR-1 because your not going to be getting anything better than that for the next 10 years minimum (that is if GM is even around much longer).

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Reporting on the topic must be incomplete at this time since what you are saying is that the "death" of GMPP would apply to future products then?? I wonder what year then??

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GMPP will continue to sell parts just as they have during the last 40 years. Parts will just get a bit stale as we move forward because no new engineering will be done in house. Having said this, is anyone really disappointed in the LSA and LSX engines currently available?

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Hylton,

I understand that. since you seem to have the Pulse- What is the projected impact to the production equipment that is performance related compared to the writ of the article? True or not?
If true When?
This year?
Next year?
Immediate?
Camaro? or the entire GM line?
LS-3 as the biggest engine for the forseeable future in Camaro??

Clairify if you can. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[70 copo]

Looks like perhaps a mixed bag... We will see. Not all that bad after all. Perhaps Edmond's has the Pulse http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Here: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=142386


This comment "But, Muniga emphasized that" "all high-performance projects are on indefinite hold." gives me the feeling that any future plans for a Z/28 could be at risk however. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Hylton]

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Looks like perhaps a mixed bag... We will see. Not all that bad after all. Perhaps Edmond's has the Pulse http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Here: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=142386


This comment "But, Muniga emphasized that" "all high-performance projects are on indefinite hold." gives me the feeling that any future plans for a Z/28 could be at risk however. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

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That's about it. Think of it this way, if it's already out there and it is still selling, it will stay. They will not be stopping production of any performance part that is selling well. It's just that they will not try to improve the efficiency or performance of the LS3 (etc.) anymore then it already is.

[Hylton]

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I still think the Camaro just will not happen. They waited way to long.

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We are way past the point of no return. Plant is currently in ramp up mode:

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/541/medium/prep5.jpg

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/541/medium/prep6.jpg

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/541/medium/prep8.jpg

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/541/medium/prep12.jpg

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/541/medium/prep14.jpg

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/541/medium/prep15.jpg

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/541/medium/prep16.jpg

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/541/medium/prep17.jpg

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/541/medium/prep18.jpg

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/541/medium/prep20.jpg

[Johnny Horsepower]

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US Gov't (new owner of GM) has no interest in going fast

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Nascar,or do you mean in a politcal sense? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

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I was thinking political US govt/left.........now that's sad but funny!

[lwkitt427]

I WILL BUY ONE IF THEY EVER GET TO THE MARKET PLACE I WILL TAKE MINE BLACK WITH RED INT WITH RED HOCKY STRIPE

[Hylton]

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I WILL BUY ONE IF THEY EVER GET TO THE MARKET PLACE I WILL TAKE MINE BLACK WITH RED INT WITH RED HOCKY STRIPE

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No red interior or red hockey stick stripe available unfortunately.

[DarrenX33]

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Man that's crazy!!

I was at the Chicago auto show and they were pushing the Camaro like you wouldn't believe. They had a crowd around the displays which was impressive.

Guess it's another example of the politicians (Both corporate and government) not understanding what moves cars.

I did notice a big big push on Hybrids.



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Correct! I was there to. I'm not particularly a fan of the new Camaro. But the busiest area of the entire auto show was by the Camaro. It was like a rock concert, no lie.

[Chevy454]

I understand that the Fed kinda has GM by the short & curlys here, but I think it's lost on a lot of folks in management exactly how influential a performance model can be on future same-brand purchases. A perfect example is a local friend of mine here...he knew of strictly nothing other than Chevrolet his entire life, as his family bought & drove nothing new GM's, until he became disenchanted with the lack of development by GM on the F-bodies [he'd owned several over the years], but FoMoCo was still cranking them out year after year, so he decided to try a Mustang...well, not long after that, guess what he got for his wife...yep, a crew cab Ford truck. He completely jumped ship, all because of simple continued support for their *affordable* peformance model...and it's trickled over into his family as well...all because of a single purchase [or lack thereof].

[gb70]

I know what you mean. People do become brand loyal. While owning a CNC Machine shop years back I visited another shop back east. The owner had at least 50 CNC's all the same manufacturer. I asked him about it and he said that he used to own brand "x" but when something came up he did not like he sold them all off and bought all new of the other manufactures machines. Come to think of it he was doing business for the big 3. I wonder if he is still in business??

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I understand that the Fed kinda has GM by the short & curlys here, but I think it's lost on a lot of folks in management exactly how influential a performance model can be on future same-brand purchases. A perfect example is a local friend of mine here...he knew of strictly nothing other than Chevrolet his entire life, as his family bought & drove nothing new GM's, until he became disenchanted with the lack of development by GM on the F-bodies [he'd owned several over the years], but FoMoCo was still cranking them out year after year, so he decided to try a Mustang...well, not long after that, guess what he got for his wife...yep, a crew cab Ford truck. He completely jumped ship, all because of simple continued support for their *affordable* peformance model...and it's trickled over into his family as well...all because of a single purchase [or lack thereof].

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[Stefano]

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I WILL BUY ONE IF THEY EVER GET TO THE MARKET PLACE I WILL TAKE MINE BLACK WITH RED INT WITH RED HOCKY STRIPE

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No red interior or red hockey stick stripe available unfortunately.

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We will have that color combo available for the Nickey Super Camaros http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[70 copo]

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I understand that the Fed kinda has GM by the short & curlys here, but I think it's lost on a lot of folks in management exactly how influential a performance model can be on future same-brand purchases. A perfect example is a local friend of mine here...he knew of strictly nothing other than Chevrolet his entire life, as his family bought & drove nothing new GM's, until he became disenchanted with the lack of development by GM on the F-bodies [he'd owned several over the years], but FoMoCo was still cranking them out year after year, so he decided to try a Mustang...well, not long after that, guess what he got for his wife...yep, a crew cab Ford truck. He completely jumped ship, all because of simple continued support for their *affordable* peformance model...and it's trickled over into his family as well...all because of a single purchase [or lack thereof].

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Rob,

What bothers me is the fact that some of the same people that stood by at GM while the Camaro failed - are still there- seemingly now attempting to take part of the credit for the "revival" of the car and have created a cult like following around a kind of "keep the faith" myth.

Some history first hand: Jim Perkins was run off the reservation by GM for trying to save the Camaro and Chevy performance in general in the late 1990's when the Camaro "Kill" decision was made. He told me so, "They Killed Camaro to make Trucks" and it is a fact- the SSR soon appeared as the replacement.

Obviously Market forces caused the car's return and simply put the sucess of the Mustang and the Challanger paved the way for Camaro's production approval, but the car is now late coming to market and the timing is not optimal. You are very right...lots of people changed Brand Loyalty after 2002 and purchased other vehicle brands because of that single misguided GM decision.

How true Rob. You nailed it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[wwchevy]

From the GM newsline, it sounds like some things have been put on hold and current products will continue through their lifecycle. Thanks alot Nancy Pelosi, you Prius driving San Francisco Liberal.

"High Performance Vehicle Operations Put on Hold
Due to a refined focus of work on core products, operations at GM High Performance Vehicle Operations have been put on hold indefinitely.
Successful vehicles produced in the past by High Performance Vehicle Operations include the Chevrolet SS Cobalt and HHR, and the Cadillac CTS V, which will continue to be produced through their normal life cycle.

Vehicles including the Pontiac GXP models, Chevrolet Corvette Z06 and ZR1, and the soon-to-be-released Chevrolet Camaro SS, which are produced outside of GMHPVO, are not affected and will continue to be available through their product life cycle. "

[Les Quam]

It looks like if you want a Camaro that can hang with the New Shelby's their is only one place and one place only that will deliver such a car and that is Nickey Chicago.

Thats right in this generation's muscle car pony wars, GM and its mighty performance icon the Camaro have only one hope resting squarely on the shoulders of one Stefano Bimbi. The great white hope for the vaunted Camaro and its legendary history of ZL-1s and COPOs comes down to little Nickey Chicago.

Meanwhile Ford simply continues to dominate this generations pony car muscle car wars with the new 540 HP GT 500 not to mention Shelby's post title stable of super Mustangs the 600 HP Supersnake, the 725 HP Supersnake and the new 800 HP Don Prudhomme edition Shelby street legal drag car. Dodge steps up with the 425 HP Challenger and GM hopes someday to be able to deliver some Camaro's to Stefano for conversion into Nickey Camaro's.

[markjohnson]

Hold on, let's not forget Lingenfelter. They recently announced their Camaro performance packages and they are quite impressive in their own right. You can Google them for more information. They are actually produced IN-HOUSE at Lingenfelter and everybody knows when you want your Corvette done by the best, that's where it goes.

[markjohnson]

http://www.lingenfelter.com/LPEforumfiles/showthread.php?p=138#post138

[black69]

If it were me, I would order a black one and have red stripes painted on at a reputable paint shop, and have a lingenfelter installed. I had a friend order a new black 95 vette and took his original engine out, and had a lingenfelter complete engine installed and he beat the crap out of the car driving it to work (including lunchtime antics), and he raced it on the weekends at various tracks (for years). That engine never broke. They have been doing this for a long time and have a store front.
my 2 cents and under 20k upgrade you probably could not break.
http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merchant...tegory_Code=C56 (http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LPE&Product_Co de=L130085306&Category_Code=C56)