1970 Dick Harrell 454 Camaro Survivor for Sale

[SeattleCarGuy]

1970 Dick Harrell 454 Camaro for sale. You guys probably know all about this car from the history of posts on this site, its appearance at past SuperCar Reunions, the April 2008 Chicago VetteFest (I towed it in all the way from Seattle) and from it being owned by Chad Blomberg, Steve Sandlin and Kevin Suydam. Anyway, today it has about 6,042 miles on it, has been in my garage for over two years, still looks great and runs perfect and is the only 1970 Dick Harrell street Super Camaro known to exist. Unrestored, Survivor, incredible piece of Super Car history. 454 LS6, TH400, 4.88 12-bolt. For sale for $145,000 or best offer. Call Paul at 206-310-2153 or [email protected]

[mockingbird812]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Welcome to the site Paul! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif



****SEND PHOTOS TO ME AND I'LL POST 'EM FOR YOU******

[SeattleCarGuy]

I tried to attach photos and it told me my file size was too big.... can e-mail someone photos as needed, or look it up in the February 2008 issue of Muscle Car Review. Thanks

[SeattleCarGuy]

Thanks for the welcome. I had been meaning to join for a while. I read the posts all the time, but not having a PayPal account, I finally got around to sending a check in to join. I think this site is great and the content is incredible. I had the pleasure of meeting Tom Clary, Rick Nelson and others at the Vettefest and hope to see more of everyone in the future.

[SeattleCarGuy]

Mockingbird: How do I send photos to you? Can you PM me your e-mail and then I send them to your e-mail? Otherwise, I am not sure how to get around this site? Thanks

[mockingbird812]

my email address is in my profile. just clik on anyone's user name (in my case, <u><font color="red"> mockingbird812 </font></u> in the box to the left of this thread) and if they want you to see their email, it'll be in there.

[email protected]

[CamarosRus]

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[mockingbird812]

Here are Paul's photos.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif


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[mockingbird812]

More DH Camaro photos!.....


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[DarrenX33]

I actually contacted Paul prior to meeting him to request copies of some of the photos of the car. They are great wallpaper. Good to see you here Paul..

[camarojoe]

Coolest 70 Camaro on the planet. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif Welcome to the site!

[lwkitt427]

I HAVE SEEN THE CAR IN MANY MAGS LATELY AND YOU ARE ONE LUCKY GUY TO HAVE SUCH A COOL CAR WELCOME.

[Salvatore]

This is a rare car. How come NOBODY ever wants to keep it for awhile? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif Seems to be always for sale. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Must have kooties or something. Welcome to the Site Paul. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Welcome Paul!.

The car is amazing itself but especially so being unrestored and so much the way it was when last touched by DH's hands!.

I can't think of another car I've seriously wished I had the dough to afford since Charley's L89!.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[SS427]

Welcome aboard Paul and good luck on the sale. It has been a pleasure knowing you and thanks again for bring the Camaro to the LS-6 Showcase as the car was a hit. Maybe someday I will be in a better financial position to bring that car to central Illinois as it would make a great centerpiece in our display room not to mention it is one VERY cool piece of history. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[KENNY_PASCOE]

ONE OF MY FAVORITE 70 CARS FOR SURE .... KP http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

If I had the dough I know where it would be!!!

My all time favorite!!!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[JoeG]

It's a great piece of automotive history---Shame this Harrell car has to be past around like a hot potato..Good luck on the sale http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[musclecarjohn]

Nice piece of Chevrolet &amp; Harrell history. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
Man,it almost looks like that air cleaner is touching the intake...there's a carb under there? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[JK396]

can i have it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[JK396]

do you have 2 sets of wheels with it?

[SeattleCarGuy]

I only have the gold Kelsey-Hayes Stripper wheels that are on it. These are the original wheels that Dick Harrell put on the car.

[BJCHEV396]

Real nice. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[SeattleCarGuy]

Car is still for sale. Will entertain reasonable offers, but please, no trades. Thanks, Paul

[SeattleCarGuy]

Thanks to everyone for the offers of possible trade. I appreciate your interest, but I need to sell the car for cash without trade. I will listen to reasonable offers, maybe even some unreasonable offers. This is an incredible piece of automotive Super Car history. Thanks,
Paul 206-310-2153

[SeattleCarGuy]

This car is still for sale. No trades please. New price is $125,000 or best offer.

[SS427]

I heard a lot a really nice comments about this car in Carlisle over the weekend. Once the shop is producing a nice income this car is coming home! Too much uniqueness to this car and just plain cool not to mention original.

[DarrenX33]

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I heard a lot a really nice comments about this car in Carlisle over the weekend. Once the shop is producing a nice income this car is coming home! Too much uniqueness to this car and just plain cool not to mention original.

[/ QUOTE ]

Would love to see it back in your hands! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[markjohnson]

A very special car indeed and always will be! If I was fortunate enough to have a small high-end car collection.....this car would be in it.

[Salvatore]

This car would look great next to Tony L.'s Cordia Chevrolet nova! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[SS427]

Myself and several others have already tried to convince him of that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Salvatore]

With all the other cars he has bought you would think this would be close to the top of the list. 1 of 1 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[SeattleCarGuy]

Camaro is still for sale for $120,000 or offer. No trades please. Thanks, Paul 206-310-2153

[Salvatore]

Amazing a car like this and being a survivor on top of it is still for sale! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

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Wish I had the $$$

[markjohnson]

That car is a gift at that price. I'd love to be the care-taker of it for future generations. This '70 Camaro DH 454 represents the closest effort that Chevrolet ever came to producing a factory '70 Camaro LS-6 454-450 HP. It's a damn shame that the LS-6 '70 Camaro was stillborn, but a new-car conversion by Dick, Mr. Chevrolet himself, is about as good as it gets! An LS-6 '70 Camaro would have been one of the fastest Musclecars ever produced and would have been a great follow-up to the '69 COPO 427's!

[SS427]

Totally agree Mark not to mention all the owners are known back to the second owner, the original Kelsey Hayes Stripper wheels and tires are still on the car and the fact that it has only 6000 original unmolested and unrestored miles. I believe the original mechanic that assembled the car is also still alive. If not for a few more important investments obligations, this car would be in our showroom as we speak.

[Les Quam]

I am curious about documentation? Does any exist or any other history about the car that goes back to the second owner? Rick can you or someone give me some background/history on the car? How the Harell cars were converted, where converted, where sold? Thanks

[al8apex]

what were these wheels?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/Harrell70CamaroLS-6frontside.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

I'm curious. Have there been any legal threats in regards to selling the car with Dick Harrell's name on it ? I'm told Howie has been told he needs to remove the name before selling his car.

[Tenney]

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Howie has been told he needs to remove the name before selling his car.

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Why? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[owners2]

[ QUOTE ]
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Howie has been told he needs to remove the name before selling his car.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ] Yeah , Why ? That's the dumbest Bullshiiii---! i've ever heard. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Kim_Howie]

I am not saying anything yet. But I will!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Paul, I would like to know too. Kim

[Salvatore]

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Howie has been told he needs to remove the name before selling his car.

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Why? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ] Yeah , Why ? That's the dumbest Bullshiiii---! i've ever heard. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Thats funny Jeff. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif I also agree with you on that! That would be truly first class http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
what were these wheels?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/Harrell70CamaroLS-6frontside.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Looks like Cragar SSTs--Street Super Tricks.

[SS427]

[ QUOTE ]
I am curious about documentation? Does any exist or any other history about the car that goes back to the second owner? Rick can you or someone give me some background/history on the car? How the Harell cars were converted, where converted, where sold? Thanks

[/ QUOTE ]

Les, give me a call and I can go over all of the information I have if you are an interested buyer. Suffice to say, I have more than enough information that the car was the real deal from the original 1973 for sale add, the previous owners, copies of Minnesota Dragways stating this car and it's then current owner, affidavits from a Dick Harrell conversion mechanic, etc, etc to convince me beyond a shadow of a doubt that this car was the real deal before a deal was struck with the then (2003) owner. For what it is worth, Dennis Hartweg also gave his blessings on the car at that time. This car was sold new out of Van Chevrolet and converted at the Kansas City performance center. Call me if interested and I will go over all of it with you.
Rick

[SS427]

The wheels in the last picture are Superior Mags. Dick Harrell was in fact a Superior Distibutor but these were not originally installed on this car. The second owner installed them when he could not get traction from the original tires and Stripper Wheels. He is the one that we located the wheels and tires in his warehouse as well as some photos from back around 1972. In the photos are this Dick Harrell car, another 1970 Z28 and a Daytona Yellow, black stripe, black vinyl top Yenko Camaro, all owned by him at the time. I think Chad also may have received some photos of this car in the last owners driveway doing a "fake" wheel stand from around 1973-74 when it was last registered.

[Salvatore]

That car IMO doesn't look to tough to document. When they are frame offed is when it gets scary to me. Those decals, stickers, pin striping etc. look pretty old to me. Knowing most of the owners helps alot too. I can't believe anybody would really try to fake or recreate a Harrell car 37-38 years ago for the heck of it. Don't think that many cared where it came from that far back. Only cared about how fast it was! The patina to me says it all! A nice time capsule.

[TDW]

Would Valerie Harrell be able to document this with original Dealer paperwork? Has anyone tried that route yet? From another post here, it seems she has some original stuff for some of the Harrell cars.

[DarrenX33]

I took tons of reference pics of the car when Paul had it at Vettefest. Tons of patina indeed. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[chads454Ls6]

Les,The car came with photos dated 1973 as Rick stated and the car looks the same today as it did then,a true time capsule. The owner I purchased the car from had a fiberglass liftoff hood but tied to the wall under a blanket was the original hood in original paint with the hood hinges in mint condition wrapped up with it.
Many people have seen this car and would swear just by looking at it it was the real deal. I had contacted a few previous owners and rick talked to a few and they all wondered what happened to the car but nobody followed up as the owner still lived in the same house and the car was in the garage in his backyard. I had even spoke with cecile vantyle,the owner of Van Chevrolet,but at his age and owning over 80 dealerships it was hard for him to remember much about the muscle car era of the 60's and 70's,but said he would try to put me in touch with his service advisor that worked at that dealership at that time but it never did happen. The only person we could never find was the original owner and never figured out how it got from Van Chevrolet to Bufallo Minnesota.

[Verne_Frantz]

As I understand it, from what I've read over the past couple years, the question isn't whether the car is legit; the question is whether anyone wants to put up with the troubles that come along with owning a Dick Harrell car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Tenney]

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As I understand it, from what I've read over the past couple years, the question isn't whether the car is legit; the question is whether anyone wants to put up with the troubles that come along with owning a Dick Harrell car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Do they break down a lot? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Les Quam]

I think he means legal trouble not mechanical trouble if I am not mistaken????? Rick I will call you this weekend. Thanks for the info guys.

[Salvatore]

That car needs an owner that really wants to keep it and enjoy what it is. If you look long and hard enough I bet something will turn up about its racing says and its street racing folklore. A survivor car!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[SS427]

[ QUOTE ]
Would Valerie Harrell be able to document this with original Dealer paperwork? Has anyone tried that route yet? From another post here, it seems she has some original stuff for some of the Harrell cars.

[/ QUOTE ]

I initially disclosed this car to Dennis Hartweg when it was originally located and with what he knew at the time gave me a very good feeling as to it's authenticity. I also contacted Valerie but at that time she could not help. I do not know if anyway has talked to her since then but that might be worth checking out if she were willing.

[Kim_Howie]

SLAP ME!!!! I JUST BIT MY TONGUE!!!!!!!

[SeattleCarGuy]

There are no issues with regard to the Harrell name on this car as Dick Harrell built it and the family has acknowledged that. I even received a very nice note from Dale Pulde about the car when he referred it to a friend of his who may have been interested in purchasing it. There is no dispute with the family about the authenticity of this car. Thank you.

[SeattleCarGuy]

I have the photos from 1973 showing a guy with long hair at the wheel and the front end off the ground. Looks like he is doing a launch in a parking lot or something. Hard to believe it is a wheel stand because the front end is quite high for a launch of a street car, but maybe with 4.88's and slicks? The car has also been discussed on the Dick Harrell website forum after I listed it for sale. Valerie, Dale and others that know the car there all made very favorable comments and all agreed it is a real car. The car is a true, unmolested survivor. I own a handful of cars and would love to keep this but have been putting money into my business lately and have made some other investments, so after 3 years of owning this legend, I am sad to see it moving it, hopefully to another great collector or enthusiast. The reaction that this car brings at shows among people that know who Dick Harrell was is astounding! The economy will recover and prices will rise again, but right now at this price, the car is a steal. I am also very thankful for the connections/friendships I have made through owning this car with gentleman such as Rick Nelson and others. Rick convinced me to trailer this car 36 hours straight from Seattle to Chicago last year!

[Charley Lillard]

I don't think there has ever been any question in regards to it being real or not. I have no doubt it is probably the best Harrell survivor out there. The issue seems to be about when it is time to sell the car. My understanding is Howie or Mecum have been threatened with legal action if Howie tries to sell his car with the Harrell name on it. How can Howie be threatened and not this car or any other Harrell car ? If I had a Harrell car and was threatened like I believe Howie is, I think I would be taking legal action for someone interfering with my sale. Is there a question of Howie's car being a real Harrell car ?

[CamarosRus]

As most know I live in Seattle area. I have seen this above car on several occasions. If I can be of any help to anyone regarding this sale, please ask.

Thanks,

[DarrenX33]

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As most know I live in Seattle area. I have seen this above car on several occasions. If I can be of any help to anyone regarding this sale, please ask.

Thanks,

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, this would be a good car for you Chuck.

[Les Quam]

I was not in an any way doubting its authenticity but was asking about its provenance in regard to placing a value on it in this economy. And yes the Harrell family's present position does bring another set of considerations as to whether a prospective buyer is also getting a lawsuit or at a minimum a headache to go along with the car?

[Zedder]

Don't worry about a lawsuit Les...I'm sure you know a good lawyer http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Les Quam]

I won't need one. Tony Lucas bought it yesterday.

[SS427]

Congratulationd Tony, congratulations Paul. I'm sure Tony will give the car a good home as would have Les.

[Les Quam]

I just needed another day to do the due diligence and it would have been back in Vegas. But it will have a great home now and should stay there for a while.

[sYc]

Tony..congrats..very cool car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Might want to screen any calls from CA for a while as you might be on the list to be asked for a "charitable donation", or maybe a fee was paid so it could be sold. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Congrats Tony!!!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Tony http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

My favorite, Love to have a ride some time http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[TLucas]

I'm excited about adding the car to my collection. Neat car.
Thanks,

[iluv69s]

Congratulations Tony on definitely one of the coolest 2nd Gen Camaros in the World. Even though I could not afford it due to other prior commitments, I came so so close to buying this car a few months ago right after I sold my collection. If it was an RS, it would definitely be in my garage. I really think that this car was a steal at that price and it will definitely increase in value in short time.....

Good Luck with it and I am glad it has a great home !!!

Max

[bashton]

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I'm excited about adding the car to my collection. Neat car.
Thanks,

[/ QUOTE ]

Congrats Tony, that indeed is one incredible car with unquestionable provenance. Another fine car for your amazing collection! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[ORIGLS6]

My congrats as well Tony. And a big http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif to Les for his willingness to step up to the plate for this car. Despite the unfortunate ties to the DH heirs, the car is one COOL piece of history. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Xplantdad]

Congrats Tony... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

You have one heck of a cool collection http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Congrates everybody NICE car!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Salvatore]

So did the Site help make up your mind to buy this rare car? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[SS427]

That and over a years worth of friendly prodding..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[enio45]

Congrats Tony!

[JAD]

Nice car Tony!!!I love unrestored cars.

[TLucas]

Yes the site helped me buy the car. You guys wore me down and the history of the car is spectacular.
Thanks everyone!

[Salvatore]

Good going! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

If you need a place to store it, I have a spot at my place....

JUST LEAVE THE KEYS http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[SeattleCarGuy]

Thanks Tony, and thank you to everyone on the site for your comments. I am glad the car has found a great home. - Paul

[Charley Lillard]

I heard from the Harrell camp today... They have no problem with this car because it was sold as a Harrell car. The problem they have is with licensed drag cars and their position is if the name is on the car and there is a accident at the drag strip where someone gets hurt, every name on the car gets sued. The Howie car used the Harrell name as a licensee for drag racing back then and when the car sold to a new owner it was no longer licensed. I personally think that all this comes with the territory when you trademark a name for commerce. I don't know all the facts on the Howie car history to know what is factual and what isn't and I don't care enough to read up on it but I do believe that every name on the car will get sued. Maybe the license fee goes for Insurance or maybe it doesn't. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Kim_Howie]

There are always two and maybe three sides to every story. Being a Insurance Agent for 36 years I think that dog their showing, just won't hunt!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[sYc]

Hum..Anyobody can be sued, but with out something connecting Howie's car to Val, such as a licensing agreement, no liability on her part. If this were not true, then Helen Gibb is liable if Lil Hoss or Howie's car, or another Gibb cars crashes, Diane (Mrs. Ronnie) Sox is laible if one of Sox/Martin cars crash, the Bob Hamilton family is liable if I crash Red Alert? I don't think so. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Steve Shauger]

I have some swamp land for ya Charley... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[njsteve]

And of course, GM could be sued since a "Chevrolet" emblem is on the car.

[Charley Lillard]

LOL...

[markjohnson]

Hey, wasn't it Colt that ceased hangun production entirely when some state's court system ruled them liable for wrongful death because they produced the gun?

[Kim_Howie]

Colt is still in production. And still makes pistols.

[Steven J]

Too many lawyers out there trying to come up with a way to make big money.

Colt info;

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Shot+Dead+-+How+Colt+was+done+in-a061242179

[Chevy454]

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The problem they have is with licensed drag cars and their position is if the name is on the car and there is a accident at the drag strip where someone gets hurt, every name on the car gets sued. The Howie car used the Harrell name as a licensee for drag racing back then and when the car sold to a new owner it was no longer licensed. I personally think that all this comes with the territory when you trademark a name for commerce. I don't know all the facts on the Howie car history to know what is factual and what isn't and I don't care enough to read up on it but I do believe that every name on the car will get sued. Maybe the license fee goes for Insurance or maybe it doesn't.

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When Earnhardt was killed, did the "Mr. Goodwrench" family have to pony up any money? Or how about "the King" from the Burger King sponsor name? How about any of the other hundreds of stickers on that car? Survey says, "No". Liability (financial) comes from negligence, so unless Dick Harrell is selling booby-trapped parts from the grave I'd say Val &amp; company have nothing to worry about...

There's already a precedent for lawsuits stemming from racing accidents that are *without* negligence (Lori Johns vs. Budweiser/Bernstein, dismissed) and *with* negligence (Julie Russell vs. NHRA/Goodyear, settlement)...it's all common sense. Just because there's a lack of lettering doesn't keep them from being named in a suit, or vice versa.

I do believe that Kool-Aid has soured, so I sure hope no one is drinking it... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[markjohnson]

Well, according to that link posted above, Colt did cease Civilian handgun production. But thanks again Howie, for once again doing your damndest to poke holes or find fault with anything I post lately.

[TimG]

Sonsors with names on the cars do have an exposure. It is much more of an exposure if they provide renumeration to the vehicle owner.
If there were a catastrophic accident with death or injury of a bystander or a group of bystanders, you can bet that a prominent name on a nastalgic drag race vehicle would be at risk.

There may not be a successful suit, but there may be a suit none the less that may demand some type of defense. I call it "being dragged through the mud".

[Chevy454]

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Well, according to that link posted above, Colt did cease Civilian handgun production. But thanks again Howie, for once again doing your damndest to poke holes or find fault with anything I post lately.

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Actually, it was Steve that posted the link, Howie simply said Colt "still makes pistols", which is correct. From the link above: "The company also continues to make a few expensive handguns for collectors and rodeo performers."

[Kim_Howie]

http://www.coltsmfg.com/ CHECK THE FACTS MARK

[sYc]

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Sonsors with names on the cars do have an exposure. It is much more of an exposure if they provide renumeration to the vehicle owner.
If there were a catastrophic accident with death or injury of a bystander or a group of bystanders, you can bet that a prominent name on a nastalgic drag race vehicle would be at risk.

There may not be a successful suit, but there may be a suit none the less that may demand some type of defense. I call it "being dragged through the mud".

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Tim, I agree..a sponsor could be dragged through the mud, but in the case of vintage racecars, we are not talking sponsors. None of the names on Howie's car are sponsoring him. Now if Valerie issues a licensing agreement, then possibly liable. If so concerned about being sued, then she would be better served leaving folks lone instead of jumping in and trying to make a buck off of her dad's name.

[Kim_Howie]

Tim where is the sponsorship in my car??
FRED GIBB sponsored Dick Harrell. Not the other way around.
The bottom line is Ms.Harrell HAS NO ties to my car PERIOD.
Now if she has me sign a lic agreement, now she is tied to the car. Anybody can put Dick Harrell on any car they want &amp; if they wreck it, the 3rd party can't bring her in to the law suit!! B.S. She can't police the world. If somebody put the name on their car &amp; she knows nothing about it, how can she be liable?? I am done!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[TimG]

I'm not an attorney, but sometimes I think too much like one. I insure companies that transport fuel all over Texas and the word “oil” is usually on the side of all my customers’ vehicles. I see so many lawsuits come across my desk I’m always thinking of the liability end of things. I agree, there is probably no liability exposure for you or your car, Kim.