1967 Camaro L78 bad wreck

[leach]

I have been looking for these pictures from this bad wreck for long time did not realize that I had it on slides instead of pictures from 1974 when I took them. Was coming home from work and stopped in a bar in Milford, New Jersey and at closing time the 2 guys in the Camaro asked people to road race them and they got as far as the concrete bridge where the stream went under the road and they did not let up were going over 100 when they hit the bridge both died and the engine ended up way up in the stream. I came back next day took these pictures. This is why you don't race on the roads. Will post second pictures below.

[leach]

Here is second picture

[mmcporter]

man, that's awful!

[BJCHEV396]

Scary!!

[CC Rider]

Wow! That's bad. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[Dog427435]

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t114/dog427435/Stuff/untitled.jpg
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[Plowman]

Black rims?

[leach]

Not sure if I got my easy thumb nail thing set right size for the pictures it is set for max. width 200 and max height 200 is that correct or not

[mockingbird812]

Leach. Expand both those numbers to at least 800 (or more)

[Nasblu]

Looks like the car was deep water blue????

[leach]

trying resize of pictures

[leach]

trying resize

[iluv69s]

definitely looks like the BB x-flags on the fender...and a white pin stripe?? but no nose stripe?? or is it bent too bad to see??...and steelie wheels !! Whay a shame http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Xplantdad]

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needs to be 800x800 at least!

[ANDY M]

Barry, it was a double fatality. I get the picture. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[427TJ]

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Looks like Marina Blue, black top, not an RS, no wheelwell trim or pinstripe. Dog dish caps would indicate body color wheels 'from the factory.' I think I see traces of the black nose stripe and the small SS emblems don't seem to be there--maybe knocked-off in the wreck. If it had black pinstripes then it should have wheelwell trim too, at least as far as 'from the factory' is concerned.

[67L78conv]

Leach was kind enough to send me the shots via e-mail and I am temporarily hosting them resized on my website. Over the years I have found that even early wreck photos can help us learn a little more of what is correct on these cars.

In this case all I can say is the greatest thing that can be learned is to <font color="red"> <u> use good judgment </u> </font> no matter the age of the car. This is indeed one of the worst wreck shots I have seen in quite a while. We all even though very late should feel a bit of the pain that the families involved have gone through and wish them the best.

http://www.chevroletcamaros.com/images/webposts/1967-Camaro-L78b.jpg

http://www.chevroletcamaros.com/images/webposts/1967CamaroL782b.jpg

[Plowman]

Black rim w/w snow tire?

[iluv69s]

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looks like fall or winter....the trees are bare...

...and wonder where's the motor?? looks like it's not there...

[1969l78]

That car sure hit hard

[al8apex]

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Black rim w/w snow tire?

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looks like fall or winter....the trees are bare...

...and wonder where's the motor?? looks like it's not there...

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as stated in the initial post:

" ... were going over 100 when they hit the bridge both died and the engine ended up way up in the stream"

[427TJ]

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In this case all I can say is the greatest thing that can be learned is to <font color="red"> <u> use good judgment </u> </font> no matter the age of the car.

http://www.chevroletcamaros.com/images/webposts/1967CamaroL782b.jpg

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Wow, much clearer! Nose stripe area not visible. Maybe the black wheels were his winter set judging by the snow tires out back? Those wheels look like 5.5-inchers rather than the stock FC 6-inchers that would be factory. If those are the stock FC wheels then it was a drum brake car.

This is but one example of what happened to so many musclecars over the years. You can see why the insurance industry worked so hard to de-fang the musclecar and by the early 1970s had basically succeeded.

[Kim_Howie]

Bill, Insurance co. had nothing to do with the death of super cars. Try the fed. govt. Daniel Moynihan Started it. He was a environmetialist worked on acid rain &amp; geenhouse effect. Also a member of the democratic party. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[427TJ]

Insurance companies lobbied hard to get the government (yes, with help from environmentally activist politicians) to de-claw the American musclecar. I agree that pollution control was an aspect of the death of the American musclecar but the insurance companies were losing too much money paying-off wrecked and stolen musclecars. Thousands of musclecars wound up just like that Marina Blue '67 SS and the claims were eating into the insurance companies' bottom lines.

[442w30]

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Bill, Insurance co. had nothing to do with the death of super cars.

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For someone who is a grandfather, I would have expected a smarter comment than what you've said above. Of course insurance had something to do with it! I wasn't even born yet and I know this! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Bill, we passed the cost on to the consumer. We rated Hi- po cars back and still do today. I have been in the Ins. bus. for 37 years. I might have a ideal of what they have done in the pass.

[Kim_Howie]

Example the stupid seat belt law. 1972 5,000.00 medical on a auto pol. was 5.00 Today 37 years later it's 9.00 Do you think we care about seat belts? NO Just another thing the govt. has done for your safety. The state of Iowa our new GOV. added a 1.00 tax per pack of cigarettes. Of course they say this for my health. To stop me smoking right. Then they pass a law you can't smoke in a bar. I don't remember the last time I went in bar for my health. Idiots. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Kim_Howie]

No comment

[copo69]

Kim, I've been in the insurance business 30 years and yes the insurance companies had a lot to do with getting rid of muscle cars. Nationwide Insurance was the first to institute a hi-performance surcharge which amounted to doubling the cost of insurance on these cars. Nationwide's president testified before congress in 1969 citing the evils of these cars and I remember seeing a letter to the editor in Super Stock &amp; Drag Ill. from a Nationwide VP calling for the end of these cars. Other companies soon joined in raising rates and tightening underwriting for these cars. The target market for these cars couldn't afford the premiums so the cars vanished. Just last week I saw where Nationwide considered this a historical accomplishment.

[69hurstSC]

Oh yeah, AND KIDS WERE DYING IN THESE CARS!!!! Who gives a S**T about analysis of insurance and all that crap!

It saddens me that people view these pics and only can discuss stripes and busted emblems. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Greg, Saying these cars were evil &amp; should have been banned is like calling a drug dealer a unlicensed pharmacist. The cars didn't kill anybody as stated above it was bad judgement on the driver part.

[442w30]

Agreed!

[JRSully]

Cars had all the power you wallet could buy, but couldn't stop or turn no matter how much money you had (not that you cared back then anyway). Who would have thought that you could insure an LS6 Chevelle today for what was probably a couple of cars payments on it back when it was new...

[copo69]

Kim, I agree with you but the insurance companies didn't. Also, I remember alcohol being involved in a lot of the accidents. Remember the old saying..."Ban low performance drivers, not high performance cars."

[Big Block Bill]

After seeing these pictures and being in the Police Towing Business for the last 37 years, I forget what we use to bring back to the yard with dolly wheels. It sure is a lot easier with the flat beds we use today.

When I called for advance charges on a Hemi Cuda that we were called on to pick up for a body shop we tow for back in 1976, after crashing in a street race on Lake street in Addison Il, I asked the guy if it needed dollies, and he said " Bring a Magnet"

[SUSQ]

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After seeing these pictures and being in the Police Towing Business for the last 37 years, I forget what we use to bring back to the yard with dolly wheels. It sure is a lot easier with the flat beds we use today.

When I called for advance charges on a Hemi Cuda that we were called on to pick up for a body shop we tow for back in 1976, after crashing in a street race on Lake street in Addison Il, I asked the guy if it needed dollies, and he said " Bring a Magnet"

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Yikes . . .

[442w30]

In the case that my previous response may have appeared harsh, it was not meant as such. In person, I would have shaken you and said, "Yo, you're not thinking straight - of course insurance had something to do with it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I didn't feel that insurance companies accomplished this, it was the smog rules that did it! The insurance companies simply raised the rates, to accomodate the risk - then danced in front of Congress to save face, what else is new! The real muscle car killer was the environmentalists, not a bad thing - but eliminating smog and maintaining performance were technologically impossible in that time period.