L78/L71/L72/LS6 143 "blueprint" camshaft interest?

[Chevy454]

Any of you L78/L71/L72/LS6, big block Chevy guys have any interest in a '143' blueprint camshaft? Immediate or otherwise??

Due to Crane's recent bankruptcy, we're looking into the feasibility of a high quality '143' camshaft to fill the void...whether it be for restoration or high performance [Pure Stock, street/strip, etc], this cam should fit the bill. Do a quick search on this site about the performance of the GM/Crane 143 camshaft, and you'll see why it's absence leaves a lot of us scrambling for a replacement...all so called 143 "blueprint" camshafts are not created equal!

I know a couple of guys are in the middle of engine builds as I type this, so if anyone else is gonna be needing one shortly, *please* send me a private message ASAP. But, if there is any other future interest, please reply...

<u>CONFIRMED - as of 4/28/2009</u>

<font color="red">
*Ken Tibor - cam + solids</font>
*Jeff Connor - 2 cams
*Greg Roberts - cam + edm
Peter Simpson - cam
*Dustin R Vine - 2 cams + 1 solid + 1 edm<font color="red">
*Dave McCutcheon - 2 cams + 1 solid + 1 edm</font>
*Nils Julin - 1 cam
*Jim Sullivan - 1 cam
*Greg Simmons - 1 cam
*Donnie Cornelis - 1 cam + solid
*Tom Howard - 1 cam
*Philip L Soucy - 1 cam + solid<font color="red">
Joseph Guerra - 1 cam + solid
*Ed Lis - 1 cam + edm</font>
*Grady Burch - 1 cam + solid
*Tony Wonch - 1 cam + edm
*Tony Ragla - 2 cams + 2 edms
Jim Weaver - 1 cam + solid
*Elon Block - 1 cam
Warren Friedrich - 1 cam + solid
Chris White - 6 cams + 2 edms
Jim Lerum - 1 cam

<font color="red">(NOTE: priority shipments are in RED</font>, confirmed payments denoted by *)

[DarrenX33]

I'm assuming I'm a given.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[JLerum]

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I'm assuming I'm a given.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

All right Darren, what's in the hopper this time?

Jim

Just to add to what Rob was discussing above about camshafts. We have Cam Doctored what has been "143" GM reproduction camshafts and they are different. We are talking about a lack of design and quality control in a nutshell.

Crane will not come back as they are in liquidation at this time. The thought of not being able to get the $130.00 to the door special that they once offered no longer is available. When you find something good we like to try keep it. That is why this thread was started.

[DarrenX33]

I think you saw all the pieces in my garage when you were over.. That one is getting built. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[JRSully]

I will need a 143 somewhere down the line once I start the other L78, count me in SULLY

[CamarosRus]

I'm interested and will send this thread to other 1970 L-78 owners at www.nastyz28.com (http://www.nastyz28.com)

[69Tom]

I'm pretty sure I'll need one for my '69 L72 as I'll be doing a rebuild at some point.

[1968 nova ss]

rob, are you saying that another manufacturer may take up grinding a 143 dupilicate cam.the 396 /375 hp motor bottom ends is complete for the 68 nova ss ;waiting on the engine builder to finish the 842 aluminum heads/then we are off to the dyno.anyways you can count me in also.chris

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
rob, are you saying that another manufacturer may take up grinding a 143 dupilicate cam.

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Yessir, that's what I'm saying...at least if there's enough interest and we press the issue, anyway! We thought there would be some interest, but just wanted to do a quick "heat check" to make sure we didn't go through all the trouble just for the heck of it.

We can't divulge a lot of details until we officially get the ball rolling, but our objective is to have a no-fuss 143 replacement that you can put in, know it is what it is, and quit worrying about it.

Chuck, thanks for passing the word... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[1969z280]

Rob:

I'm in the middle of machining my L72 and just spent half the afternoon talking to my buddy about what camshaft we should use now that Crane is gone. I need one but I was hoping to find one on the shelf somewhere. Please let me know. The engine will be going back together in May. Ed http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[nrjulin]

I will need a couple in the near future.

[Chevy454]

Ok, we talked to the cam guys, and it looks like we're ready to rock! They're giving us a pretty darn good price [well below custom price], but the more folks we get on board the cheaper it's gonna be...so, I'm gonna do a running list of "confirmed buyers" in my the first post @ top of this thread...so all you guys that are ready to pony up please chime in. Rough guesstimate says they'll be ready in 2-3 weeks, and as of now I *believe* the price is $180, but that was for the minimum, so the more of you that holler the cheaper they'll get for everyone...

[DarrenX33]

Just got off the phone with Jim, pony for one. Say where and when and I'll send the $ Rod.

Thanks guys!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[69Tom]

I'm in.

[GenOne]

In for a few -

[Seattle Sam]

I would like to have a spare one. Or two.
-Sam

[JoeG]

If it's a mirror replacement in regard to GM specs.. I'm in...Thanks for the follow-up Rob............

[bluel78]

I would take two.
Dustin

[MN 70L78]

You can count me in for one.

[kwhizz]

I'll take one also.........

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[1969grb]

Count me in also. Grady http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[L72Chevelle]

Please count me in also for one. Thanks, Phil.

[nuch_ss396]

I need one as soon as you can get these.

Nuch

[THNDER]

Rob, I just bought a Comp Cams 3863143 replacement cam for my L78. Specs all look to be identical to the GM cam. Part number is 11-106-3. What do you think? Are these not any good? Thanks Mike

[70-SS/RS-L78]

Rob I am in for one, Thanks for the heads up on this Chuck....

[TDW]

Rob...Are they going to be American made, using American cores? If so, I am in for 1.

[Steven J]

I'm not in a hurry, but I would buy one to save for the future.

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
Rob...Are they going to be American made, using American cores? If so, I am in for 1.

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Yes http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
Rob, I just bought a Comp Cams 3863143 replacement cam for my L78. Specs all look to be identical to the GM cam. Part number is 11-106-3. What do you think? Are these not any good? Thanks Mike

[/ QUOTE ]
As with the rest of the non-GM/Crane 143, the specs might *look* the same on paper, but the lobe is different...Jim proved this on a cam doctor. A few of us Pure Stock guys have tried other brands, and we all went back to the GM/Crane unit...

As Darren said above, this will be American made, and each one is gonna be held to super tight tolerances.

[1969z280]

Rob:

I'm in for one. Ed

[copo69]

I'm in for one, too.

[Nova Research Project]

I am in for one as well.

Greg

[Bergerz28]

Rob, count me in for one !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[169indy]

I am interested also. Project lined up but not critical.

Thanks for spearheading this thing.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Jim W.

[markjohnson]

That really is an incredible camshaft and it's hard to believe that it debuted during the first year of the big block in 1965! Now I still have the original one I took out of my virgin LS-6 and it's stamped on the end 3904362. I guess they changed the part # in 1970. I've run high 11's with that camshaft. It's truly the musclecar camshaft where you could drive the car to work during the week and still turn very respectable times at the dragstrip come the weekend.

[elonblock]

Count me in for one.

Thanks,

Elon

[NEATSS]

Rob,

Put me down for 2. One needed very shortly and one for future.

Dave McCutcheon

[67L78conv]

Count me in for one as well. Possibly more shortly will talk to a few people not on the board.

[COPO PETE]

Two words............ "SHIP IT"

[Chevy454]

A couple of things:

1) those of you in the middle of engine builds &amp; needing your cams *yesterday*, PLEASE drop me a private message ASAP so we can get your cams out first.

2) also, would anyone be interested in a set of lifters to go along with their new cam? I know a few are gonna do their own thing for lifters, but thought I'd ask since they *could* be available to those so inclined.

[TDW]

If the lifters have the EDM hole and are American made, I would take a set. No hurry on the cam here. Just would like to have one around in case.

[Mr. Chevy]

[ QUOTE ]
Rob, I just bought a Comp Cams 3863143 replacement cam for my L78. Specs all look to be identical to the GM cam. Part number is 11-106-3. What do you think? Are these not any good? Thanks Mike

[/ QUOTE ]

Mike, there is nothing wrong with this cam. I have the same one in my 70 L78 Nova and the motor has been together since 1999 and it runs strong. I have had no issues at all. Very good camshaft!!

Rich http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Donnie]

im in for atleast one.

[Chevy454]

Here's the latest on the '143' cam...Jim Lerum has done 99% of the legwork here, so a big THANKS needs to go out to him...and since we've had a better than expected response, we got a little help on the price...here's the scoop:

<u>Cam:</u>
$150 + $15 s&amp;h

Cam will be an Engine Power cam core, which is Made in the USA and supplies cores to all of the big companies, and then Bullet Cams will CNC grind it to exact specs, which not even the original GM/Crane piece can claim.


<u>Lifters: </u>
standard solid lifters, $70 + $3 s&amp;h
EDM solid lifters, $165 + $3 s&amp;H

Lifters are Johnson lifters, which have been around forever, and are also Made in the USA. Again, for EDM lifters, PM me for price

We hope to start shipping these in around 10 days, and will get them out to the priority guys first...again, if you need a cam/lifters ASAP, please drop me a PM and check the list @ the beginning of the thread as I'll make a notation beside your name.

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For those of you comfortable with PayPal, you can use the button below, just *be sure* and make a note in the comments section of the transaction exactly what you're paying for [cam and/or lifters] along with your physical shipping address &amp; contact number:

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For those of you who prefer snail mail, you can simply send it to the club, and I'll take it from there...but as above, include a note stating *exactly* what you're paying for [cam and/or lifters] along with your physical shipping address &amp; contact number.

sYc
POB 375
Alton, MO 65606

[DarrenX33]

Fantastic job Rob and Jim. Give me a day to talk to the man. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[markjohnson]

Hey, isn't Bullet Cams the remnants of the old Ultradyne Cam company? Ultradyne really had their act together and were responsible for some fast running motors! I used to have a little '64 Chevy II with a ZZ4 350 GM crate engine, where the stock hydraulic roller was junked and replaced with an Ultradyne solid roller (.560-.600 lift) and that little car would run 11.70's. Anyway, this sounds like a good deal for everyone and considering the quality (or lack of) of today's oils, the EDM option may be agood idea. I used EDM'ed lifters during my last solid cam build and have had no flat cam issues. Knock on wood!

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey, isn't Bullet Cams the remnants of the old Ultradyne Cam company? Ultradyne really had their act together and were responsible for some fast running motors!

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Yessir! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[L72Chevelle]

Thanks Rob and Jim. Paypal sent. Rob I sent you a PM. Thanks, Phil.

[Chevy454]

List is updated in the first post of this thread...priority shipments are in red, confirmed payments are denoted by an *...

[ORIGLS6]

Kudos to Rob and Jim for all their work to make this happen.

Just another Great Benefit of membership here at the sYc! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[TDW]

Rob...I sent you a PM. I would like the EDMs. Shoot me a price when ya get a chance. I will PP the dough.

[69Tom]

Thanks a ton guys! Payment sent. This will make my rebuild (when I get there) much easier.

Just of note, after I clicked on the Paypal link, I did not notice a section for "comments" as is often seen on a Paypal payment. It just asks you to enter a dollar amount. Maybe I'm just overtired/worked at the moment and missed a link/button for it, but I don't think I missed it. I guess it's simple enough to figure out what someone ordered based on the amount paid.

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
Just of note, after I clicked on the Paypal link, I did not notice a section for "comments" as is often seen on a Paypal payment. It just asks you to enter a dollar amount. Maybe I'm just overtired/worked at the moment and missed a link/button for it, but I don't think I missed it. I guess it's simple enough to figure out what someone ordered based on the amount paid.

[/ QUOTE ]
Nah, I guess that particular button doesn't have that feature...but, I should be able to just pull the info from the PP notification email.

Also, I updated the pricing post above, with the EDM lifter info...our cost is $165 + $3 s&amp;h.

[TDW]

PM and PP sent Rob. Many thanks.

[1969z280]

Rob:

Great Job and many thanks for your efforts!

PM and Paypal sent! Ed http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Chevy454]

The list (click here (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Board=UBB10&amp;Number=398085&amp;Searc hpage=1&amp;Main=398085&amp;Words=+Chevy454&amp;topic=&amp;Search= true#Post398085)) has been updated as of 10am CST 4/22/09...take a look, and make sure I have your priority orders &amp; paid confirmations correct!

[L72Chevelle]

What are EDM lifters? Thanks, Phil.

[JLerum]

EDM lifters have a small micro hole on the face of the lifter. It lubes the lobe with oil as the lifter runs across the face of it. It's been used very successfully to extend the life of camshafts, especially those that run high spring pressure.

Jim

[Donnie]

I have a question.
is this a one time deal or are they going to continue to make these?
and who makes the EDM lifters?

[L72Chevelle]

Rob please add a set of the standard solid lifters with my cam. Paypal sent. Phil

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
I have a question.
is this a one time deal or are they going to continue to make these?
and who makes the EDM lifters?

[/ QUOTE ]
Both the regular solids and the edm lifters are Johnson lifters.

And as of now, I think we're gonna have a cut-off date of around next Wednesday (4/29) on this "group buy"...since there's power in numbers, we're saving somewhere around $40/cam, $20/solids and $30/edm...we'll more than likely be able to get someone a cam or two down the road, but I'd say the price will be quite a bit higher.

[1968 nova ss]

thanks Rob and Jim.I appreciate you guys stepping up to the plate with bullet Cams and gettin er done.chris

[68 Chevy II]

Rob, Paypal and pm sent. I BIG Thank You to yourself, Jim Lerum, and board members for making it happen!! Tony

[LS6 RAT]

Rob,

I would like a cam &amp; lifter set. I will send by mail to the club address a check for $165 &amp; $73 combined.

Thanks, Warren

[JLerum]

If that is what it takes to make Chevrolet's continue to rule than I wouldn't imagine doing it any differently.

For those of you that think this is bad timing and are in an economic freeze, we can revisit it in 6 months or a year and see if we can set up another group deal. I would like nothing better than to think we have some future business down the road that will accommodate people in need.

Jim

[JLerum]

[ QUOTE ]
thanks Rob and Jim.I appreciate you guys stepping up to the plate with bullet Cams and gettin er done.chris

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks guys! It's intended to do as the license plate from long ago said *****USA-1*****. In a nut shell, it will keep our cars running super strong on American made products built by our fellow country men. I feel you have invested in quality pieces that are very reputable. From cam cores to the Johnson lifters, it's good stuff.

When you get your product in the mail in 10 days or so, please open the packages and inspect what you have. I just received one of the soon to be few remaining L-88 crane camshaft that was bought for a fellow Canadian and it was broke in 1/2 from poor shipping and handling practices. I truely want this to be good for everyone!

Jim

[JoeG]

Thanks guys for the follow-up and leg work on this http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif project....Joe http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Payment sent out today for (1 cam &amp; 1 set of solid lifters(standard type)...

[ktc427]

Hi Jim, I'm in for one!http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif <font color="yellow"> </font>

[Chevy454]

I have the following guys on the list as interested, but need a confirmation as to whether you're in or out:

Steve Antonucci
Mark Ogren
Zach Carter
Sam Besser
Chuck Sharin
Michael Pomeroy
Steven J
Scott Kiehne
John Spiegelberg
Mark Lenhard

No big deal either way, just need to tie up the loose ends in the next couple of days...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Chevy454]

Also, current list is below, as well as in original post...everyone double check it!

<u>CONFIRMED - as of 4/28/2009</u>

<font color="red">
*Ken Tibor - cam + solids</font>
*Jeff Connor - 2 cams
*Greg Roberts - cam + edm
Peter Simpson - cam
*Dustin R Vine - 2 cams + 1 solid + 1 edm<font color="red">
*Dave McCutcheon - 2 cams + 1 solid + 1 edm</font>
*Nils Julin - 1 cam
*Jim Sullivan - 1 cam
*Greg Simmons - 1 cam
*Donnie Cornelis - 1 cam + solid
*Tom Howard - 1 cam
*Philip L Soucy - 1 cam + solid<font color="red">
Joseph Guerra - 1 cam + solid
*Ed Lis - 1 cam + edm</font>
*Grady Burch - 1 cam + solid
*Tony Wonch - 1 cam + edm
*Tony Ragla - 2 cams + 2 edms
Jim Weaver - 1 cam + solid
*Elon Block - 1 cam
Warren Friedrich - 1 cam + solid
Chris White - 6 cams + 2 edms
Jim Lerum - 1 cam

<font color="red">(NOTE: priority shipments are in RED</font>, confirmed payments denoted by *)

[ChevyThunder]

I am in for two cams and two sets EDM lifters

[Bob Jenkins]

can I get in on this? 1 cam and 1 set of lifters

[COPO PETE]

Rob,
Might as well put me down for some EDM lifters.
Thanks
Peter