69 Hemi Daytona seized by IRS up for auction

[njsteve]

A real 1969 426 Hemi, 4-speed Charger Daytona held by the IRS up for sealed bid auction. This should be interesting. I wonder who didn't pay their taxes this year?

Looks like a somewhat well known car but I cant recall who's it is/was. Nice Keystone classics on it.

http://www.treas.gov/auctions/irs/tuok_auto_3659.htm

Thanks to Verne who sent me the link thinking I actually had money to bid on it. Nice joke Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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[gb70]

wonder what it will go for??

[HPMIKE]

That car has long belonged to Phil Jackson, (not of NBA fame). He is(was?) a prominent Mopar muscle car collector with many rare cars including an orange 70 Hemicuda convert. That car(Daytona) is probably one of the best hemi wing cars in terms of provenance and rarity.

I would still like to think a car like that is worth 4-500K in this down market. If there is a mad resurgence in prices for rare musclecars again, expect a car like this to lead the way.

And I am really not much of a fan of wing cars, but I can certainly appreciate the significance of the car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

MB

[njsteve]

If you read the fine print in the ad, you are bidding on only the rights the IRS have in it. So if the owner owes $200K in taxes, and the car is worth $400K, you end up only getting a partial ownership interest in the car. That means more lawsuits and a possible extra amount of $$$$$$ to buy out the owner's interest.

[gb70]

There is always a catch

[markjohnson]

I've never really been a follower of the wing'ed cars. Aren't Charger Daytonas much more rare than the Plymouth Superbirds? Anyway, those cars could possibly be considered the highpoint of the American Musclecar. NOTHING else was "louder". If I wanted to define an American Musclecar to a complete stranger to this culture, all I would have to do is show a photo of a Daytona/Superbird! No other words would be required.

[njsteve]

Yup, 503 Daytonas to 1920 Superbirds.

[Les Quam]

503 total Daytona's.
70 HEMI Daytona's
22 four speed HEMI Daytona's
9 four speed HEMI Daytona's still survive according to this site www. superbirdclub.com

[JJEH]

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[njsteve]

Also, the Daytonas were available in any color made by Dodge that year. Just about any one of them could be a 1 of 1 combination. I had a Y2 Yellow HEMI, automatic, Daytona with the black cloth insert interior - a 1 of 1 oddball.

The Superbirds were restricted to a handlful of colors and no other real option choices.

[69hurstSC]

Steve, were there any black ones?

[Dave Rifkin]

I know I've seen pictures of a black Daytona with a red stripe; very nice combination.

[quick-bowtie]

Yes there is a Black/White interior Hemi forsale right now for a cool million.

[akcamaro]

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Why didn't they stop driving it at 426 miles??? I would have put the back tires on coasters, and rolled it everywhere from that point on, if it were mine.

[njsteve]

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Steve, were there any black ones?

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Yup. There are some wild color combinations out there.

I think it's a tie between the turquoise with white stripe/white interior, and white with a red stripe/red interior as the coolest I've seen.

[bashton]

And on the subject of Hemi Daytona's, I am hoping to find one for our "Class of 69" special display at the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals.

Anyone...anyone?

Bashton
www.mcacn.com (http://www.mcacn.com)

[njsteve]

Here's my old one, circa 1990:

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr24/nk15268b/garage1.jpg

[69hurstSC]

got that Turqoise version in 1:18 scale

[markjohnson]

Steve, I absolutely love those full-size wheelcovers on your yellow Daytona! WOW!

[BUIZILLA]

SO THE CAR WAS SIEZED FROM JACKSON?

[black69]

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I think it's a tie between the turquoise with white stripe/white interior, and white with a red stripe/red interior as the coolest I've seen.

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To each his own on opinions, I would take my friends' moutaindew green one (attached) over the turquois. To see that color in person makes a difference. It's a green I think no one would have issues with http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ANDY M]

Steve, do you know how much in taxes is owed? It would be interesting to know what the split is, since the IRS can seize what they want for less than the full value of what is owed.

[Les Quam]

Bob,
I have a 1969 four speed, HEMI Daytona being restored right now and it will be ready for the MCACN in November if you need it?

[njsteve]

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Steve, I absolutely love those full-size wheelcovers on your yellow Daytona! WOW!

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It was an original deluxe 15" wheelcover car. I searched in vain, all over the country for those caps for 2 years. I ended up finding 8 of them at the local "Hub Cap Store" franchise 10 miles from my house when I walked in one day on a whim. They had them listed as 1969 15" Dodge Pickup Truck hubcaps (which is actually one of the other applications besides the 1969 HEMI B-Body Dodges)

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr24/nk15268b/daytona.jpg

[bashton]

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And on the subject of Hemi Daytona's, I am hoping to find one for our "Class of 69" special display at the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals.

Anyone...anyone?

Bashton
www.mcacn.com (http://www.mcacn.com)

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Let's check that one off the list;

Look for a beautiful freshly restored T5 Bronze Hemi 4-speed Daytona at the show! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Our Thanks go out to LQuam. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[bashton]

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Steve, I absolutely love those full-size wheelcovers on your yellow Daytona! WOW!

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It was an original deluxe 15" wheelcover car. I searched in vain, all over the country for those caps for 2 years. I ended up finding 8 of them at the local "Hub Cap Store" franchise 10 miles from my house when I walked in one day on a whim. They had them listed as 1969 15" Dodge Pickup Truck hubcaps (which is actually one of the other applications besides the 1969 HEMI B-Body Dodges)

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr24/nk15268b/daytona.jpg

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This car is amazing and the 15" wheelcovers really make a statement.

Steve; Any idea of where this car is now?

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[njsteve]

I bought the yellow project from Otis Chandler in 1989 while he was redoing his T5 Bronze 4 speed car and he had decided against redoing the yellow car. (Could this be Les's current car?)

I restored it and then sold it to a guy in PA in 1995 (unfortunately, for a huge loss at the bottom of the first muscle car mania). I was changing jobs at the time and needed the funding. I also sold the orange 71 hemi sunroof Charger at that time.

The Daytona sold at an auction in Florida several years ago and a couple of owners later (at the height of the recent muscle car mania) for $630k.

The Daytona did not have it's original block. This was the car that I got the engine for my 70 Charger R/T-SE out of. That engine was 21 digits away from the R/T-SE's blown motor and was from the very next hemi car built about 2 hours after my car on December 8 1969. The mid 1969 dated block in the R/T-SE was swapped into the Daytona.

Here's a shot of that weird cloth insert interior. Not too comfortable but pretty interesting.

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr24/nk15268b/daytengine.jpg

And the engine compartment:

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr24/nk15268b/dayteng.jpg

[njsteve]

Looks like Hemmings picked up on the story and has some more info. I guess it was seized from a collector car dealer that owes back taxes:

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/05/06/pay-your-taxes-or-lose-your-hemi/

[Les Quam]

I have Cal Anderson's old car and I think the one you mentioned is Tim Wellborns car?

[quick-bowtie]

Ventura was only asking 267k for the car?? It must be a pile or have alot of issue's because that is give away money for a real Hemi Daytona and a 4 speed to boot! I would bet it brings more than that at the IRS auction.

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

This photo was from Mecum 2008 (I think)St Charles auction

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[agtw31]

at the 92 Moparnationals,there was a T5 Bronze Hemi 4-speed Daytona for sale with the same full size wheelcovers on it.

it was rough but all there.

asking price was 24k.

[bashton]

Does anyone know the results of the auction?

Maybe an sYc member is the new owner?

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[al8apex]

according to the HMN blog, the IRS sale was stopped:

"June 23, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Just so you all know, the sale was stopped by court order. It is hard to seize and sell a car the tax payer does not and has never owned. We will see what the outcome is in court."

[Les Quam]

The one at the Mecum auction is probably mine? It never sold at the Mecum auction and I bought it with Colin's help several months later from Dana. It is now being re-restored properly by Midwest Muscle car at a considerable and never ending expense. Dana bought it at BJ along with another Daytona from Bill Wieman

[Verne_Frantz]

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according to the HMN blog, the IRS sale was stopped:

"June 23, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Just so you all know, the sale was stopped by court order. It is hard to seize and sell a car the tax payer does not and has never owned. We will see what the outcome is in court."

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That means he was just flipping the title, as many do, so the IRS made a mistake. They never checked "ownership". OF course, that just means they'll be more interested in finding something else they can attach themselves to. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif