Canadian C.O.P.O. Frost Grn/Vinyl Roof For Sale

[CamaroNOS]

Does anybody know about this Canadian Frost Green/Parchment (White) Vinyl Roof C.O.P.O. that is advertised in Florida?

It comes with GM of Canada documentation.

It was an originally sold out of Gorries Chev Olds in Toronto.


http://www.chevconnection.com/69camarocopogreen.htm

[Charley Lillard]

Fake trim tag, no pic of engine stamp. Assume the car was built from Canada paperwork until proven otherwise.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Is it just me, or does it have the wrong driver's side exhaust manifold on it?
http://www.chevconnection.com/images/69copogreen29.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Is a 7000 RPM tach correct for a 06A car?

[CamarosRus]

The link above is from the Chev Connection in Portland Oregon. They would "NEVER" deal with anything fake or add artifical documentation. Every car they bring to B-J is "legit and has "real, original parts and docs"

Where is the FLORIDA connection to this car ?????

[PeteLeathersac]

VIN 124379N660749

Thread on TC..

http://www.team-camaro.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156582

~ Pete

[Hylton]

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Fake trim tag, no pic of engine stamp. Assume the car was built from Canada paperwork until proven otherwise.

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+ 1,000,000 ask for history.

[m22mike]

This thread could end here.
Repop tag = Red flag http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif
Tire in trunk up side down http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif It is a little thing but to me I just have to http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

Mike

[midyr]

Gorries Chev-Olds no longer existed in 1969.

[HiHorse]

One should always hear the "story" before drawing conclusions.

[x Baldwin Motion]

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One should always hear the "story" before drawing conclusions.

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I'm all ears!! Who has got the REAL story?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[m22mike]

Me too...at what point in this car's history did it get a new body tag http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Mike

[markinnaples]

Nice looking though; love that color combo.

[mfchassisworks]

Is that your black Camaro Mike? Sweet looking car?

[CamarosRus]

Is this the same Portland,OR dealer that sells MILLIONS of $$$$$ worth of REAL, DOCUMENTED, ORIGINAL Chevrolet brands at Barrett-Jackson year after year ????

Cant possibly be any issues with one of their cars !!!!

[DarrenX33]

Here is the address from the website..

The Chev Connection
11834 SE Stark St.
Portland, OR 97216
phone (503) 257-9050
fax (503) 257-9250

You might have to learn how to say "can". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

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Gorries Chev-Olds no longer existed in 1969.

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Tag and car issues aside for the moment, regarding the documents themselves could it be that the same dealer code was retained when Gorries became Golden Mile Chev/Olds and GM Vintage Services had Gorries on file w/ that code thus noting it on the docs?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
~ Pete

[al8apex]

WOW!!! that is easily one of the fakest (I don't think that is a word) trim tags ever ...

http://www.chevconnection.com/images/69copogreen09.gif

[bergy]

just got my car back from the body shop. We cleaned up the trim tag. It has never been removed. You can easily see the differences between an original and the fake tag. I'm not telling any "secrets" - the differences are pretty obvious. Some fake tags have more subtle differences.

copoburnishtrimtag.jpg

[bergy]

OOPS!

http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo199/cole1230/copoburnishtrimtag.jpg

[midyr]

Bert Sykes owned both Gorries Chevrolet on Gerard Street East in downtown Toronto and Golden Mile Chev-Olds on Eglinton Avenue in Scarborough, closed down Gorries and merged it with Golden-Mile under the single name of Golden Mile. Sykes later sold out to Brian Rowntree. It is entirely possible there was an overlap in designated dealer names & codes on file at the time.

[CamaroNOS]

Have to wonder........

Attached is the official "Used Sellers Information Kit" you can purchase for $20 from the M.T.O. (Ministry of Transportation of Ontario) for any car that is currently for sale or that was sold in Ontario Canada. The M.T.O. is the equivelant of the D.O.T. in the U.S.A.

What is so strange is the history on this COPO Camaro....or should I say the lack of history.

First of all, notice the very obvious shortage of documented owners for this car. The Used Vehicle Information Package tracks all the previous owners of ALL vehicles back to the early 70's on all cars (if old enough).

It sure is strange that the history on this car ONLY goes back to May of 2003. Where are the previous owners names? Did this car appear out of thin air?
I am sure that Matt Langford (Collectible Autos in Hamilton Ontario) and Dave Matina who both happen to be the two "original" owners as per the MTO documentation can shed some light on this?

It gets even more interesting. Now look at who purchased the car from Matt and Dave. Richard English of Camaro Heaven. I am 100% confident that Richard surely knows the answer to the questions raised here. Please keep in mind that there HAD to be an owner or owners before Matt and Dave acquired the car?

I just hate to think what would happen if........


Regards

[Billy Bob]

I'm posting these on behalf of CamaroNOS


http://www.synstonecanada.com/images/copo/fgcopo1.jpg
http://www.synstonecanada.com/images/copo/fgcopo2.jpg

[rfat16]

Not saying the car is correct or wrong but you seem- kinda bitter towards this "Dealer in Portland". Have you been burned by him?

I'm sure if you guys want to talk about it in person you can square everything away him.


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Is this the same Portland,OR dealer that sells MILLIONS of $$$$$ worth of REAL, DOCUMENTED, ORIGINAL Chevrolet brands at Barrett-Jackson year after year ????

Cant possibly be any issues with one of their cars !!!!

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[SMGCO]

I have know Richard English for years. With me Richard has been COMPLETELY honest, very knowledable, professional and on top of that a real good guy and family man. Furthermore his restorations are absolutely fantastic.

[L88_Owner]

I live north of this dealer in Portland and have seen more "news" on this dealer than any thing I have seen before.

Check out this thread - near the bottom

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=156582&page=2

I guess with the internet these days, the facts seem to come out on these cars.

[L88_Owner]

"This Pacecar was "prepared" by Chev Connection/Mark Young.

That should tell you everything you need to know."

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:ZMK...=clnk&gl=us (http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:ZMKLrPtffU0J:5thgens.com/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D63207+"mark+young"+"the+chev+connection"&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

[L88_Owner]

"The 400 mile Chev is a fraud and Mark Y is the biggest liar in the world and here in Portland he is known as the "Clonevator".......Joe

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:-mg...=clnk&gl=us (http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:-mgzIhSs5n8J:vccachat.org/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/grabnext/Board/5/mode/showflat/sticky/0/dir/new/posted/1242420574+)

[carguy]

I have purchased several cars from Mark Young. All were represented for exactly what they were. It is obvious that L88 owner and CamaroNOS have some type of personal vendetta against Mark. It is a shame they they do not have the guts to look Mark in the eye and resolve. Most of us are tired of hearing this slander. Mark works his tail off, takes risks few on this board would ever dream of taking, accurately represents what he sells, and has to put up with annonyomous keyboard jockeys envious of his success slandering his good name. That sucks!

[quick-bowtie]

Im not on hear to bash but carguy your kidding right? Just look at the facts. There are numerous cars he has misrepresented and plenty of guys that got burnt by him. He sells "PRETTY CARS" to guys at Barrett that dont know the differance. Look at the Blue LS6 Convertible he sold at Russo as a real car, Now your not going to tell that was a real car too? I know he has had some legit good cars pass through his hands but for the most part I wouldnt want anything to do with a car he has had..

[PeteLeathersac]

I agree w/ Andrew's and other's comments above, but back to the subject vehicle;

I've been waiting for someone else to bring this up but can't sit on my hands forever...
Take note of the similarities in how this thread's subject car is a Canadian car w/ GM Canada Vintage Services documents as it's major pedigree, wears a bogus tag plus has a short Ontario owner history all amazingly enough exactly like the Yellow L89 Coupe of this previous thread...including the same two owners!http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/287081/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1

Hmmmm...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif?

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
~ Pete

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I like real cars best...the REAL real ones!

[old5.0]

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I have purchased several cars from Mark Young. All were represented for exactly what they were. It is obvious that L88 owner and CamaroNOS have some type of personal vendetta against Mark. It is a shame they they do not have the guts to look Mark in the eye and resolve. Most of us are tired of hearing this slander. Mark works his tail off, takes risks few on this board would ever dream of taking, accurately represents what he sells, and has to put up with annonyomous keyboard jockeys envious of his success slandering his good name. That sucks!

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I have no personal stake in this. My passion is Fox Mustangs, and the Chevrolet is stuff is a sideline that happens to interest me. That said, even I have heard of this guy previously, and none of what I heard has been good.

A few years ago, I went with a buddy to check out a "numbers matching" driver quality 69 Z/28 that a guy he knew had just purchased from Mark. It was absolute fabricated B.S. Even I could tell as soon as he opened the hood that it was a fake tag. The details were all wrong. The engine was dated a month after the build date on the tag. The intake date was way off. It had a 68 Muncie in it. Wrong hole for the shifter. The best part was the leftover bits of the a/c system that had been taken off the car at some point. And that's not the only bulls**t car I've heard of that came from him.

Like I said, nothing personal, never met the guy, just my experience.

[firez]

The green and Yellow car mentioned above must be from the same COPO factory . hmmm

[L88_Owner]

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I have purchased several cars from Mark Young. All were represented for exactly what they were. It is obvious that L88 owner and CamaroNOS have some type of personal vendetta against Mark. It is a shame they they do not have the guts to look Mark in the eye and resolve. Most of us are tired of hearing this slander. Mark works his tail off, takes risks few on this board would ever dream of taking, accurately represents what he sells, and has to put up with annonyomous keyboard jockeys envious of his success slandering his good name. That sucks!

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These risks………….well……………..

I cannot vouch for Mike Young down in Portland, just seen his name around and wanted to reiterate what had been posted other places.

So, I have no issues with Mike, just wanted to inform what others have posted here.

BTW, do your two cars have original trim tags too?

Z16 #24

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-251663.html

"Also, for kicks I worked through the trim tag decode on chevellestuff.com. Maybe that guy can help solve the mystery "U" code on option group 4. Didn't Z16 have a one-off rear drum brake that was larger diameter or something like that? Maybe that's it, it is attributed to 65 only, so it would be fitting.. The front suspension and the rearend was different. Basically they were full size Chevrolet parts adapted by GM to a Chevelle (not a simple bolt on).

Also, the VIN stamp on the block all crooked like that, is that normal? According to nastyz28.com decoder, that IX suffix is a '67 only deal. Seems like that engine may be fishy.Engine may be fishy but IX is the correct suffix for a 65 Z16. I have seen known original engines with stamps that looked as bad or worse than that one. I would need a better picture and more information before I would make a judgment; better yet a personal inspection."

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/370985/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

[L88_Owner]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/311083/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1


"Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Chev Connection in Oregon was involved with this "LS6" as well as the 71 Z discussed in another thread. If you don't know about the Chev Connection, I'd suggest you dig deep (actually, you won't have to dig that deep) and you'll be able to make very quick judgements about some of his cars."

"After being there this year and seeing the Vague and or "Creative" wording being used.....It's pretty obvious that Re-creation or Clone cars are getting to be more of the norm........The Oregon Plated cars seem to get away with it over the years, so the "Standard" of what's deemed ethical has so of gone to the Wayside"

""There are only so many low mileage survivor type cars, and T.C.C. seems to obtain an abnormally high number of them compared to other dealers, or so he would like to have people believe. He has no magic source for obtaining them buying them at auctions and swap meets, and people answering his ads. He fakes and misrepresents cars, and that goes for the mileage. I have never seen an original paint car belonging to him. Two years ago at Hot August Nights he had a 65 Chevelle he was trying to pass off as being an L79 4 speed car with original paint for $34,900. He forgot to notice on the original window sticker it left the factory as a 6 cylinder 3 speed, only having front seat belts as an option. As for the paint it was bc/cc, way too nice for original lacquer, I sould know as I own two original lacquer paint cars. He also has or so he claims is a red 1967 Z/28, with a fiberglass plenum repop air cleaner for 119k, if it were a real car it would bring huge money at BJ, it's not there because it probably could be spotted as a fake. So the point I am trying to make, a true low mileage original car does not need complete paint, resprayed trunks, undercarriage and motors, like all of his cars have, if that's the case he can declare whatever mileage he feels like.... " "

[L88_Owner]

124379N660749 N660749 sold for $160,000

"Ultra rare Central Office Production Order (COPO) with bullet-proof documentation from GM of Canada, One of one produced in "Forest Green Metallic" with parchment vinyl top, Original numbers matching 427-425 HP L72 Engine, Original numbers matching turbo 400 automatic, Original 12 bolt positraction "BE" rearend, Factory original and date coded components, Truly one of the best documented COPO's in existence"

http://www.silverauctions.com/auction_carlist.php?id=74&type=2


Section 3 of an Ontario UVIP identifies all previous owners of a car, David James Mattina and Mathew G. Langford. David James Mattina and Mathew G. Langford registered this car on in 2004, 124379N553588

The COPO clone sold for $40,000