GM PLANS TO BUILD CARS IN CHINA & EXPORT TO U.S.

[BJCHEV396]

GM is negotiating with the government to shift more of it's production to China.A spokesman for GM in Shanghai said it was only a matter of time before vehicles made in China are imported into the company's home market.GM will start shipping cars from China in 2011.The extra cars GM plans to import will be equal to the output of four U.S. assembly plants--the same number that will close in the U.S.I guess it won't be long before cars are imported from China up north here also.It's enough to make you want to puke! There's a picture in the article of a back end of a Chev and the badging reads''SHANGHAI GM''.Bill.http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[snydes]

If so, I'll never buy another new GM product, I can tell you that much.

[BJCHEV396]

That's exactly what I was just telling my wife.The article was in the business section in one of our local newspapers.

[Dave Rifkin]

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If so, I'll never buy another new GM product, I can tell you that much.

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I agree 100%; if GM thinks they are in trouble now just wait until they start this crap.

[Keith Tedford]

I've been a 100% GM supporter all my life. Might just be five vehicles for sale before long. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[COPO PETE]

I will never, ever own a car built in China!!!!! And yes, I know "never" is a long time, but I'll bet on it!
Peter

[JoeG]

Ditto ..And never is not nearly long enough if all this financial and political mumbo jumbo is not gonna benefit the American Auto industry on American soil ---first and foremost......

[beater68427]

American business..... Toyota built in Kentucky, GM built in China..... I just do not know what to say, guess I buy american and support our workers......

[JChlupsa]

From the Glenn Beck show last night
"BECK: OK. Are you — are you going to be importing cars from China now? I read that in the paper today.

HENDERSON: Yes. We don't import cars from China today. We have a very big business in China, but our business in China is focused on the China market. As, you know, we build where we sell, that's been part of our philosophy.

When you look at our business plan out through 2013 and 2014, there is an opportunity to do that, but frankly, we're in dialogue today with labor and with the UAW, for example, on how we might do this more efficiently and can we build product here instead of importing it. So, I'm — and I'm quite optimistic about trying to find solutions for that and — you know, it's really — it needs to be worked out at the bargaining table.

But, historically, and frankly prospectively, the philosophy of building where we sell pays."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520310,00.html

[gb70]

Great, figures.

A few years ago my number one customer did the same thing. Placed me out of business and into early retirement. Sad, very sad.

Will never buy a GM product if they do this.

[StriperSS]

And with a severely reduced deaker network, where will we buy our cars from in small markets?
I don't think I'm too far off the mark when I say that soon you'll buy some little Chinese car from......... Wal Mart.
Imagine that dealer experience!

[Unreal]

If a Toyota made in the US is still a foreign car, would a Chevy built in China still be an American car?

[lwkitt427]

WE AS A FAMILY MY DAD WHO IS RETIRED US CUSTOMS. MY BROTHER WHO WORKS FOR PETERBUILT AND MYSELF WHO IS SELF EMPLOYED LITTLE GUY. STAND BY EVERYONE HERE IF GM DOES THIS THEY HAVE GOTTEN THE LAST GM CAR FROM OUR FAMILY

[Xplantdad]

From this CNN/US article:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/12/american.cars/index.html

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Fewer than half of the parts on some Big Three vehicles are made in the U.S.

Looking at a Ford Fusion? It is assembled in Mexico. The Chrysler 300C is assembled in Canada, but its transmission is from Indiana; the brand's V-8 engine is made in Mexico. Engines in the Chevrolet Equinox sport utility vehicle are from China.

On the other hand, Toyota's Camry is comprised 80 percent of parts made in the United States, and 56 percent of Toyota's vehicles sold in the U.S. also are made here, according to Toyota spokeswoman Sona Iliffe-Moon.

The Toyota Sienna and Tundra also have 80 percent of their parts manufactured in the U.S.

"When you have manufacturers from around the world building cars in the U.S. with 85 percent domestic content -- engine, transmission, assembly -- is that an American car?" Mandel asked. Or, he asks, is it considered foreign because the profits go back to a foreign country?

"It's truly a global industry," said Thomas Klier, a Chicago, Illinois, economist who co-authored "Who Really Made Your Car?" an encyclopedic analysis of the auto industry melting pot.


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So if it's a US car...is it really? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[old5.0]

Regardless of where the car itself is assembled, the bulk of the net profit returns to the country of origin. I wouldn't buy a Toyota if they assembled them on Mars.

[nuch_ss396]

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American business..... Toyota built in Kentucky, GM built in China..... I just do not know what to say, guess I buy american and support our workers......

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I hate to say it boys...... This is that "great big giant sucking
sound" Ross Perot was referring to all those years ago in
regards to the Clinton's http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif line about NAFTA and the like.

As far as automobiles go, China is on my "do not do business with" list.
If GM does this, they loose my business for life. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Nuch

[Dave Rifkin]

It kills me to think that US citizens bail out the American auto manufacturers and as thanks they outsource the manufacturing jobs to China and expect us to buy vehicles not made in the US.
I'm not in the market for a new car but, when I am you better beleive it won't be a GM vehicle; and that includes the Corvette and Camaro. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[JJEH]

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If so, I'll never buy another new GM product, I can tell you that much.

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I agree!

But don´t forget, Chevy has labled all Deawoo´s to Chevy here in Europe.

So i think thats possible to built in China and sell in the U.S.

But if so, i will never buy a new Chevy!!!

[mbxlesney]

NOTE: Toyota Tundras are not as good as most people might think. I have been working out of a 2006 4X4 TRD that had to have a whole new Front 4X4 driveline, new Ball joints, A/C went out all under 30,000 mile warranty. A/C quit blowing cold again at 45,000. Transmission shifts like crap, Brakes have always pulsed, Paint quality (white) has blotches on the hood, The only thing I feel is good about the truck is the V8 has good power but it should they copied a mixture of Chevrolets SB and Fords overhead cam.

[Chateau Slate 66]

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Regardless of where the car itself is assembled, the bulk of the net profit returns to the country of origin. I wouldn't buy a Toyota if they assembled them on Mars.

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Who cares where the "profits" are going (when is the last time a US automaker made a profit?).

Honda and Toyota are giving Americans good jobs here in this country. Chrysler and GM are taking away more and more jobs everyday with no end in sight.

[Unreal]

The profits go to the owners of the company, namely the shareholders.

I frankly would rather buy a Toyota made in Kentucky than a Chevy made in China....assuming quality is the same.

Everyone complains about Chinese imports, but Sam Walton's successors continue to put up more stores. Why? Because we continue to buy there! Why? Because prices are low. Why? Because they purchase a lot from China.

[no69x-44]

IMHO, every food item or good any of any kind should be clearly mark as being from China. But our own govt. has not and will not demand that to done. In many cases the fact a product in from China is masked and I'm sure that will also be the case in GM cars coming over here too. If I have a choice, I will glady pay a few dollars more for an item NOT made in China.

[BJCHEV396]

I was in San Diego 2 years ago shopping in Old Town with my wife.Would you believe that a lot of the ''Mexican'' souvenirs were MADE IN CHINA.And the border to Mexico is only a few miles away.I guess the Chinese workers can even undercut the Mexicans!

[lwkitt427]

WHY IS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY. IF OUR CAR COMPANIES WOULD STOP SENDING OUR JOBS OVERSEAS AND MAKE THE CARS HERE I BELIVE AMERICANS WOULD BUY AMERICAN CARS TO SAVE OUR CAR INDUSTRY.

[old5.0]

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Regardless of where the car itself is assembled, the bulk of the net profit returns to the country of origin. I wouldn't buy a Toyota if they assembled them on Mars.

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Who cares where the "profits" are going (when is the last time a US automaker made a profit?).

Honda and Toyota are giving Americans good jobs here in this country. Chrysler and GM are taking away more and more jobs everyday with no end in sight.

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And why has it been so long since U.S. automakers made a profit? Real easy to sit on the sidelines and b!tch, but if we're all going to sit here and complain, let's direct it at the root cause, not a symptom.

Having an auto industry controlled by Japan is not good for the United States, I don't give a damn how many Americans they employ. What we need is three strong, U.S. automakers. We no longer have that, and instead of having a reactionary, "Burn GM at the stake" pity party, maybe our time would be better spent thinking about what the real causes of all this were, and there were several.

Corporations exist for the sole purpose of making money. They do not exist to provide people with healthcare for the rest of their lives. They do not exist to provide incompetent executives with multi-million dollar bonuses. They do not exist to provide a whipping boy to enable incompetent politicians to earn re-election by stupid, uninformed voters who, largely through their own laziness, have been led to believe they're getting screwed by "corporate America" and want to "get 'em back". We've been traveling toward this point for a long time, and now we (yes we, as Americans) find ourselves in the position of losing one of the greatest economic engines in our country's history. One of the greatest, in fact, in the history of human civilization.

Make no mistake about it. GM is fighting for it's survival, and if that survival includes importing a few cars from China, more power to 'em.

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