1969 Camaro Please look and provide feedback!

[TwoBryans]

I am looking at a vehicle for sale. The owner says he had owned it since the 70's, but has no documentation. Please provide any feedback you feel is relevant based on the photos.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo167/hummers1/1969%20Camaro%20What%20Is%20It/Tire_Pressure_tag_on_69_Camaro.jpg

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo167/hummers1/1969%20Camaro%20What%20Is%20It/cowl_tag_on_69_camaro_003.jpg

Thank you very much for taking time to look at and comment!
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[x77-69z28]

tell us more. is it a copo w/ e70-15's or a z-28 with an x-11 trim tag.

[TwoBryans]

Well, obviously, it is a Butternut Yellow, Black Hat, Black Standard Interior Camaro, but something is strange and I am trying to get more info first. That is why I didn't want to openly muddy the water with too much info quite yet. Probably nothing, but wanted the experts to tell me thoughts from those two photos. Will share more, but not quite yet. If it were something, don't want the vultures circling like they tend to do. Hope you understand. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

The Trim tag looks real to me...

[Hylton]

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The Trim tag looks real to me...

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Same here but I'd like to see the side of the firewall where the rivets come through. Maybe a clearer picture of the rivets.

[DWCamaro69]

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Well, obviously, it is a Butternut Yellow, Black Hat, Black Standard Interior Camaro, but something is strange and I am trying to get more info first. That is why I didn't want to openly muddy the water with too much info quite yet. Probably nothing, but wanted the experts to tell me thoughts from those two photos. Will share more, but not quite yet. If it were something, don't want the vultures circling like they tend to do. Hope you understand. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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Not black standard interior. Looks like 713 Deluxe Black Houndstooth to me or maybe 712 Black Deluxe comfortweave. 711 is black standard.

[TwoBryans]

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Well, obviously, it is a Butternut Yellow, Black Hat, Black Standard Interior Camaro, but something is strange and I am trying to get more info first. That is why I didn't want to openly muddy the water with too much info quite yet. Probably nothing, but wanted the experts to tell me thoughts from those two photos. Will share more, but not quite yet. If it were something, don't want the vultures circling like they tend to do. Hope you understand. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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Not black standard interior. Looks like 713 Deluxe Black Houndstooth to me or maybe 712 Black Deluxe comfortweave. 711 is black standard.

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You are absolutely correct. That was my mistake for typing without thinking. Thanks for catching it. It does have black deluxe door panels. I am thinking Comfortweave, but I could not be sure from the photo if it was 712 or 713.

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

I thought the tire pressure stickers were on the door for 69 Camaros and glove box doors in 68???

[enio45]

correcto!! on the tire pressure stickers locations

[x77-69z28]

early 69 had it in the glove compartment.

[bkhpah]

Is it an RS?...BKH

[enio45]

how early are the glove box stickers - because i have an 02D 69Z and if i recall its on the door??

[Jonesy]

Dont go by the tire pressure sticker. They have been reproducing those since at least 1981.

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

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early 69 had it in the glove compartment.

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I wouldn't say his car is early built with a second week of Feb. on the data plate,should have been on the door by then.Anyone else want to chime in.

[TwoBryans]

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Is it an RS?...BKH

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Brian,

Yes, the owner states it is a factory RS package as well as a few other things.

To give everyone an update, the current owner states he has owned the car since the late 1970's. He states that the car was completely stock and original with original paint when he bought it. He said that the tire size decal in the glove box is original as far as he knows and was there when he purchased the car. He said it is a SS/RS Butternut Yellow with Black Hat and Hockey stick Stripes and Black Houdstooth interior. 350/300HP w/A/C TH350 12bolt 3:55 posi. The original engine was removed and used in another car that has long since been sold. Car currently has NOM and has been changed to appear as a Z/28 R/S with correct emblems mostly in the correct locations and a cowl hood was installed and the SS hood is gone. He also did not like the Houndstooth interior and changed that too. Owner was 22 when he bought the car and did it the way he wanted at the time, not thinking, or caring that it would ever be anything other than is, a playtoy done the way he wanted it. I am still waiting to get more details and will update the thread when I have more. For now, it just appears to be a typical 1969 SS/RS Camaro that is far from what it once was.

Either way, I have yet to figure out the deal with the tire sticker and maybe never will. The owner seems like a real nice and honest guy and I have nowhere else to look unless anyone here can provide more insight.

Thank you all for your input! I greatly appreciate it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[camarojoe]

Maybe someone swapped out the glovebox door from an early Z/28? Or more likely he bought a Z/28 tire pressure sticker for it at a swap meet and stuck it in the glovebox sometime during the process of turning it into a Z/28 clone. He may forget he did it, but that would be my guess, as it's not even the right style or location of the sticker for when the car was built. Did you check the door jamb for remnants of an F70-14 tire pressure sticker? No reason any small block SS with AC would have ever had 15" tires.

[ssl78]

Was it still a rosewood glove box on the car. I thought they didnt start putting decals on the drivers door until middle of may same time they started putting the vin label on the door.

[TwoBryans]

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Was it still a rosewood glove box on the car. I thought they didnt start putting decals on the drivers door until middle of may same time they started putting the vin label on the door.

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John,

The dash surrounding the glovebox as well as the glovebox door are woodgrain, appear to match and have been there at least since the current owner bought the car in the late 1970s. Nothing there appears to have been tampered with.

[Hylton]

Gentlemen, how many A/C cars do you know of had 15 inch wheels? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[Jonesy]

That sticker was stuck there sometime after the car left the factory. That is a 1968 Camaro Z/28 sticker and there is no way that came on the car from the factory, IMO.

They have been repopping those for years. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[70 copo]

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The Trim tag looks real to me...

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Same here but I'd like to see the side of the firewall where the rivets come through. Maybe a clearer picture of the rivets.

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So you are the back side of the original rivet smash appearance expert?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

I wonder just how many variations/combinations in appearance could be present there. I suspect not much absolute reproducibility in that area. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

The 9737 Copo's would have had the E70+15 sticker but with the DX code.