Is this a real Motion car?

[al8apex]

I expect someone to make him an offer he can't refuse and this will end up being sold OFF ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...d#ht_500wt_1386 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290324981879&viewitem= &salenotsupported#ht_500wt_1386)

[x Baldwin Motion]

when it rains, it pours!

http://i.ebayimg.com/11/!BUlifTw!mk~$(KGrHgoH-C8EjlLl3wEGBKORTy)wHQ~~_1.JPG

[Dave Rifkin]

Did any of the Motion Camaros come through with flat hoods?

[DarrenX33]

It would have been up to the customer. I remember an article with a Motion 75 or 76 Camaro where the customer opted for the 569 lo-rise intake to run the stock hood.

[TwoBryans]

Did Joel ever build or do a conversion on an a/c car? I have never seen one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Xplantdad]

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Did Joel ever build or do a conversion on an a/c car? I have never seen one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Adam's Vette has AC...correct?

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On June 3, 1971, Dr. Henry Rollings took delivery of his air conditioned, 500-plus horsepower, 1971 Phase III GT from Joel Rosen at Motion Performance in Baldwin, New York. Power was supplied by a blueprinted and balanced 454 big-block built to LS-7 specifications and fitted with Phase III cam and valve train, open chamber ZL-1 aluminum heads, headers and an 850 cfm Holley 4-barrel. Backing up the potent Phase III engine; A massaged M40 Turbo Hydramatic, Hone overdrive and a 4.88 Posi rear. Creature comforts include a custom interior and stereo system and numerous factory power options.

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[TwoBryans]

Bruce,

Thanks! You are exactly right! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif I forgot about that one. The older I get, it seems like I forget much more than I used to remember! LOL!!

I guess to narrow down the question, does anyone know of any 2nd Gen Camaros that had a/c that were built or converted by Joel? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[owners2]

I don't see A/C am i missing something ?? It looks to me like an 80's re-paint.

[flyingn]

yea that camaro is a non ac car. look at the hvac controls. Def non ac

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I don't see A/C am i missing something ?? It looks to me like an 80's re-paint.

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[Justbad Joe]

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Did Joel ever build or do a conversion on an a/c car? I have never seen one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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The classic copper/ white stripe 1973 that Dave B. had was an a/c small block car.
Joe http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

I believe the Gold Vette recently on Ebay was also A/C equipped.


Jason

[Jeff H]

It has the "L" as the 5th digit in the VIN which would be a Z28 so the car sure looks like it would be a good starting point for a Motion car. If the block has any markings on it they could be the real help for identifying it.

[x Baldwin Motion]

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I believe the Gold Vette recently on Ebay was also A/C equipped.


Jason

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http://www.yenko.net/attachments/329308-underthehood.jpg

[motionwannabe]

it kills me how many people on different websites are all distraught over the flat hood. it was up to the customer. if they wanted it so be it. they didnt even have to have the stripes if they chose not to. i figured the guys that knew their stuff on here would be talking about this one. its crazy how many people on other sites think they know everything about MOTION just because they've seen a few different pics. i love this site!!!! keep up the great work and i appreciate all the knowledgable information on MOTION Supercars. Thanks Again!!

[TwoBryans]

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I don't see A/C am i missing something ?? It looks to me like an 80's re-paint.

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I saw that it had the non a/c controls and dash, but I have seen many that had the dash changed out. The reason that I asked the question was because the seller listed that the car had air conditioning under the options that the car had in the listing. Maybe he just listed it wrong. Wish he had more/better pics. Mayhe doesn't for a reason. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[motionwannabe]

i emailed the owner last night and recieved an answer today.he said he has had knowledgeable people look at the car and they told him it is a real MOTION so i dont know

[gb70]

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i emailed the owner last night and recieved an answer today.he said he has had knowledgeable people look at the car and they told him it is a real MOTION so i dont know

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If it were real, and completely restored, what would it be worth?

[SuperNovaSS]

Kind of a loaded question. It really depends how the car was equipped.


Jason

[gb70]

I called the seller and he is working on getting more documentation. 350 with 4 speed, no options he could think of.

[motionwannabe]

probably worth alot if restored correct. once again it depends who is interested as to what they are willing to pay. they were and still are awesome supercars

[jtower1969]

I'm like 15 miles from there...I should swing by next week and take some pictures...whatever it costs..it's out of my league right now.

[Stefano]

NICB info states the car was not sold at Baldwin Chevrolet.

[x Baldwin Motion]

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NICB info states the car was not sold at Baldwin Chevrolet.

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sheewinggg !! it's nice to have connections http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Xplantdad]

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NICB info states the car was not sold at Baldwin Chevrolet.

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It could have still been converted there...maybe??

[BARN FIND]

Where was it sold?

[RamAirDave]

Don't know anything about the car, but other discussion here:

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=159758

[al8apex]

that one is closed, turned into some sort of a personal pissing match between two flippers, go figure

here is another one:
http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156291

[motionwannabe]

that is one thing that pisses me off. flippers!!!!! if they want to buy the car then do it. dont get into a ballbagger match about how another flipper was smarter than you and faster because he bought it and sold it before the tears on his cheeks were dried up after crying that he didnt get it. they waste valuable forum space. that group of guys remind me of the black widows from "any which way but loose" and "the little rascals" somebodys always bawling about the other guy and fighting about whos friends with who. he who strikes first gets the car the rest are always left crying about how they should have bought it and how it was stolen out from under them. WHATEVER http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[al8apex]

true dat ^

some call themselves "brokers" they are worse, they never even bother to spend THEIR money, they just get finders and sellers fees ...

[motionwannabe]

incase anybody took anything wrong or out of text. there is no site bashing of any sort intended on my part http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif. all the places i go to i like respect and enjoy very much each for the people and the info on MOTION cars http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif. if any admins took anything i said the wrong way it was not intended to offend the site http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif. i tend to be a very opinionated person i speak my mind cause noone else can do it for me. this site is one of my favorites cant say anything bad about it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[RamAirDave]

I didn't see anything you said as "site bashing"

[motionwannabe]

Thanks RamAirDave, I just wanted make sure I didnt

[RichSchmidt]

Check out my post over on the Motion section.I have some questions about this car,and one of them is even about the VIN.

BTW,Motion knockoffs were rampant in this part of the state back in the day.Just last Thursday I went to look at a Basket case 72 Camaro in the next town away from this one.It had genuine Motion flares,an L88 hood scoop bonded to the steel hood,and monster aluminum slot wheels on it.It was also last registered in 1978.The seller in no way implied it was a Motion car,but it was an original manual steering/brake 4 sped 307 car.For 700 bucks it was a sweeter deal then this car no doubt.

[RamAirDave]

Someone went over and looked at the car and took pics.

Same pics in the two different threads/sites :

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156291&page=4

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=160017

[gb70]

Seems to be the real deal here. I received an email from the seller to a question I had. He has located two of the original owners names. By looking at the pictures and details from the second thread posted above, it does appear that a real '72 Motion Camaro phase 3 has been found, rough yes, but what a find.

With an hour and fifteen minutes left it has jumped up to $8,200 bucks. I think it will go over 10k IMO.

Once restored any idea what the value would be?

[quick-bowtie]

Does the guy have solid proof its a real Motoion car now?? or just owners names..

[SuperNovaSS]

I imagine there is not much talking about it because the price is going to jump in the next 10 minutes. If two guys have a feeling its real I see $25-30K.


Jason

[Xplantdad]

two minutes to go and $8800....

[Xplantdad]

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Winning bid: US $12,772.72

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[al8apex]

seems like a good price for a REAL 72 Z28, all the Motion stuff is just icing on the cake

[PeteLeathersac]

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seems like a good price for a REAL 72 Z28, all the Motion stuff is just icing on the cake

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Exactly what I was just going to note plus that as a Motion car the restorer will save on having to find a factory '72 distributor!.

The low '72 Z28 production (2575 units) seems to be often overlooked and considering '67 is the only year that's lower, 72's are probably a one of the better bets for appreciation too!.

Is this Vin correct?.

VIN - 1Q87L2N143423

Good luck to whoever pulled the trigger!.
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~ Pete

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I like real cars best...the REAL real ones!

[motionwannabe]

im happy for the new owner and his MOTION car. hopefully we will see it restored soon