Re: Ca, Re-issuing Black Plates

[Z28DL]

I just wanted to let everyone know that Yes the State of California is letting people put Black Plates back on cars. I just had black plates issued to my 66 Chevelle. The only major question they had was that the plates were stamped 63 which was the date stamped in all black plates. After my conversation with the manager they finished the paperwork. Although I am happy to have them, it sure will change the status of "original black plate car". This will cause the next big cloud over buying or selling a Ca. black plate car!
I just wanted to pass on the news.
Have A Great Fourth of July to all of the SYC members!!!!!
Dave L.
SoCal

[427TJ]

Yep, now there will be a wave of "revisionist history" with cars getting "original" black CA plates. Now the question will be if a seller/flipper has old registrations for the car that prove its black-plate heritage. I guess overall it's a good thing though. With my '55, it got its black plates in '63 and if I wanted to re-register it there I could put them back on and avoid the specific 1955 YOM requirement. But yes, "black plate car" will now lose some of its cache.

[mockingbird812]

Yeah, but the good news, boys, is that this nifty revenue generator will probably bring CA out of the <font color="red"> RED </font> and into the <font color="black"> BLACK </font>! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Z28DL]

Sam,
Actually to my surprise there was No Charge!!!!
Dave L.
SoCal

[92646]

It is a shame that they cut off the program to 1969 and earlier. Did the DMV require you to have 2 plates? Dave, how does the program work?
Mark Sheppard

[SuperNovaSS]

It is the same YOM(Year of Manufacturer) program it has always been from what I understand. You bring the plates in and the DMV makes sure they are clear. Clear means they are not in use or the plate number is not registered to a motorcycle. My understanding is the reason black and gold plates were not allowed as YOM plates earlier is because bikes used that sequence. All you have to do to see if a car has its original plates is to look at a registration or title prior to 2009. I've been saving up black and golds for just this reason. I have a few cars that have been begging to get them back.


Jason

[Z28DL]

Hi Mark,
Yes you needed 2 plates and filled out some simple paperwork. The biggest problem is you must go to the DMV. The AAA can not do it as I went there first. I sent you a PM because we need to talk/talk.
Later Buddy,
Dave L.
SoCal

[Late BrakeU2]

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It is a shame that they cut off the program to 1969 and earlier. Did the DMV require you to have 2 plates? Dave, how does the program work?
Mark Sheppard

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Mark, you will also need a MY reg tag of the car-if Dave didn't need one he slipped through the gauntlet(most clerks are clueless to these) . These YOM programs are limited to the specific series of period plates issues by DMV. Congressmen usually initiate a bill that gets voted on and made into legislation(and as broke as this state is best beleive the blue base will be a shoe in shortly) Black plates were 63-69,blue came in "officially" in July 70. One cool thing is you can put them on trucks(Cal commercial plates) all the way up to 72,as they phased in the blue base much later on those. I have set of black base that i'm going ot put on my 72 LS3 SS Elco.

Here's a thread that will answer a few questions
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277631

I'm with those who say it tarnishes the rarity of the original cars that have weathered the test of five decades, but at the same time there's nothing worse than a nice sixties car with white reflectorized plates http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

My 69Z still retains it's 41 year old black plates that have(like Nova Joe's)been current since new, and fortunately have titles from back in the eighties to validate that http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[68SSCamaro]

I have blue plates on my 68. It would bet the original black plates were damaged in a wreck. I do have a set of blacks for the car but not sure if I'll change to them. The blues are part of the cars history too.
And the title says Year First Sold is 68. I have a copy of the previous title somewhere. Unfortunately no history before 1988.

Martin

[parkbrau]

Dave, What do you mean by "The only major question they had was that the plates were stamped 63 which was the date stamped in all black plates."
My plate # YQX 784 was stamped in 63??? I'm not tracking you on this. Anyway, this is good news for some guys. Bet you there will be an increase of Black and gold plate sales on E-Pay.

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Next time one of you Cali guys go into the DMV please ask the clerk how i go about getting the Month stamp. When I had my plates sent out for resto the Month sticker had to come off, heck it was so faded anyway. The year stickers I still have, I peeled off about 30 years worth, the stack of stickers is about 1/4 inch thick or more.
BTW, I have my registration PNOd over here, so those plates stay in the system. I get a notice each year from CA DMV asking what i want to do. PNO or register the plates.
Danke, john

[Salvatore]

Check this guy out on Ebay. Ebay #110401599981. I dealt with him before. Sam

[1969l78]

I have a 69 grandma nova I bought from the original owner and she was issued blue plates when she bought it in Oct. 69. Said they started to phase out the black plates in late 69. Hey Mark maybe you will be able to get black plates.

[Late BrakeU2]

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Dave, What do you mean by "The only major question they had was that the plates were stamped 63 which was the date stamped in all black plates."[ QUOTE ]


Only the 63-64 black plates had the stamp in the right box, all others did not (late64-69 issue)



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My plate # YQX 784 was stamped in 63??? I'm not tracking you on this. Anyway, this is good news for some guys. Bet you there will be an increase of Black and gold plate sales on E-Pay.

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Next time one of you Cali guys go into the DMV please ask the clerk how i go about getting the Month stamp. When I had my plates sent out for resto the Month sticker had to come off, heck it was so faded anyway. The year stickers I still have, I peeled off about 30 years worth, the stack of stickers is about 1/4 inch thick or more.
BTW, I have my registration PNOd over here, so those plates stay in the system. I get a notice each year from CA DMV asking what i want to do. PNO or register the plates.
Danke, john

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Black base plates never had month stickers-year only. The month stickers started on blue base.

[LS6 RAT]

The blue/yellow plates began being issued in September 1969 in California.

[427TJ]

In 1979 my buddy bought a '67 Camaro SS L35/M40 from a woman in Corte Madera (Marin County just north of San Francisco). She was the second owner and had bought the car off the lot at Cambell-Bishop Chev in Corte Madera in about 1970 or '71. The dealership had swapped out the black plates for blue ones so perhaps blue plates on "black-plate cars" resulted from dealership swaps in some cases. My buddy still has the car. It was 100% bone stock when he bought it from the woman: Marina Blue/black top and pinstripes and bumblebee, Deluxe tuxedo interior, tilt, disc brakes with the original Disc Brake wheels still in place. Round traction bar and 2.73 Posi. He still has it but it's no longer stock.

[Z28DL]

They said that my black plates must have a 66 date on them and that the plates I had were for a 63 year car. I then ask for a superviser and I explained that all of the black plates ever made had the 63 stamped in them because that was the first year for black plates. I told him that stickers with the year were issued from 64 thru 69. I guess if someone wanted to play it safe they could put a sticker on the new plate matching the year of the car before you go to the DMV. But would you need stickers on both plates to cover the 63 stamped in the plate???? I'll being doing at least one more car and who knows how that will go.
Dave L.
SoCal

[1967Z28]

Dave,

The '69 issued CA black plates beginning with the letter Z did not have the 63 stamped on them. They are just blank in both boxes. If you were concerned about the 63 being visible, you could purchase some plates that started with Z.

-Jon

[al8apex]

I have a pair of Z plates on ebay right now, kind of a neat Z prefix, ZMF 025, just 3 numbers away from being one of the best Z CA plates ....

[al8apex]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/JimRohn/june/zmficon.jpg

[parkbrau]

I sent my plates to the tagdr.com, they were as dinged up as those, they came back looking new.

['69Novajoe]

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The year stickers I still have, I peeled off about 30 years worth, the stack of stickers is about 1/4 inch thick or more.
john

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I did the same thing with mine a few months ago and this is what I found at the bottom -

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7565/blackplate69novaorigown.jpg

I'm thinking it's the first one I received when I registered it new in '69. And my plates don't have '63 stamped into them either. Just my .02
Joe

[parkbrau]

I need to see what the last year i have under the stack of stickers.

[Xplantdad]

Such a cool Nova! Wish I was in SoCal right now! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[The Dude]

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The year stickers I still have, I peeled off about 30 years worth, the stack of stickers is about 1/4 inch thick or more.
john

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I did the same thing with mine a few months ago and this is what I found at the bottom -

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7565/blackplate69novaorigown.jpg

I'm thinking it's the first one I received when I registered it new in '69. And my plates don't have '63 stamped into them either. Just my .02
Joe

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Me too. Mine had stickers up til 1980. I used a razor blade and peeled 15 years worth of stickers off to get to the orange 65 sticker. I am in Michigan so I repainted the plate and put it on the front.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/jjram69/itsdone-3.jpg

['69Novajoe]

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Such a cool Nova! Wish I was in SoCal right now! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]So Bruce, when are you "visiting" again?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif I still owe you a "test-ride" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Xplantdad]

Maybe Labor Day weekend? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[ChevyThunder]

Original plate off my old 69 Van Nuys Z . No 63 on it either

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/ChevyThunder/Daytona%20Yellow%20Z-%2028%20Van%20Nuys/ZLN893.jpg

[69SSZL1]

[ QUOTE ]
Original plate off my old 69 Van Nuys Z . No 63 on it either

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/ChevyThunder/Daytona%20Yellow%20Z-%2028%20Van%20Nuys/ZLN893.jpg

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Do you know the sales date or month of when it first sold?

[SmallHurst]

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Maybe Labor Day weekend? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Wrong answer (unless I am dense and you mean St. Louis, then that is the correct answer!!) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[wagonman]

I just got back from the DMV.

I reissued my dad’s plates on to my car!

This made my dads eyes water this morning in a big way!

We had to lay his car to rest 8 years ago.
It was a daily driver for its entire life…Took me home when I was born..Been to my entire childhood of Boating,Camping trips,Yellowstone,Yosemite and many air shows….

It has never been to church and never spent a single night in the garage.

Although my car is not the same car it’s very close. My dad gave me this car at the age of 9 years old.

Re-issuing plates onto my car along with registration…...$134.00
Hearing my dad cry over the phone when I told him…….PRICELESS!!!!




Dads car....

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/scan0002.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/scan0018.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/Graduationday.jpg

My Car......

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/1963%20nova%20convertible/100_6639.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/1963%20nova%20convertible/100_6917.jpg

[wagonman]

Getting back to when they stopped stamping the '63 on the plates....

I have some plates starting with X that dont have the '63...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/100_6960.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/100_6961.jpg

I also have some PFF ### that has the '63 on them.I would guess these to be circa 66 or so...

The dmv wants some proof that your Letter-Number configuration is true to your model year.For my 63 they went with the 63 stamped on the plate and I showed them my 64 sticker.

I suppose if your car was a 1966, your plate would have the '63 stamp but you would have to show them the plate had the 66 sticker.Remove the stickers until you get to that sticker.......Or locate another sticker and bring it in....

The cost is $20 to re-issue..

The gentleman that needs the month sticker can easily get one through one of us in california....
What month does he need? One of us would have to show our registration thats due that month and ask for a month sticker by telling them the original is to faded/damaged etc...They may charge for the month sticker now.They used to be free.

They did changed the format of the month stickers somtime in the late 60's...around 68? i think....new month stickers have <font color="blue"> </font> letters....original month stickers had red <font color="red"> </font>

They didnt use the month sticker until 68 or so....I suppose all cars registrations were due at the same time like Jan 1st each year.As you can see in my previuost post when i was a little bot next to my dads plate.that plate had the 1966 and 1967 sticker like this....

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/scan0018.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/100_6965.jpg

[68SSCamaro]

My set of plates start with WEG and are stamped with the 63 on the right side.

[302Z]

I went to the DMV in West Covina, CA this morning to get the Black plates reassigned to my 69 Z. The plates were the ones that were on the car when I pulled it from a backyard in West Covina, CA 10 years ago. The car had been sitting in the same place for over 20 yrs. The rear plate had 1970 and 1971 stickers showing, with the 1971 sticker obviously placed over the white 1969 sticker. Neither plate was stamped 1963. The plates are ZSB XXX. There were no month stickers on the plates. The License plate frames on the car both front and rear were from Hovey Dallas Chevrolet in Gardena CA. From talking with the family that I purchased the car from (original owners), these were the original plates for the car. Unfortunately they could not locate any old registrations or title to link the black plate number to the VIN number. The car was out of the DMV system due to inactivity of registration for so many years, so when I bought it the DMV would not reassign the black plates. Anyway, at the DMV today I got the usual different answer from each person that I spoke with. None of the window people seemed to be familiar with California AB462 that allows the reassignment of the black plate. After the inital person that I spoke with told me " No Way" when I asked to have the plates reassigned to my vehicle, I spoke with a couple of supervisors regarding the matter. Luckily I had printed out and brought with my a summary from the internet in regards to California AB462. After they made a call to Sacramento, they agreed to let my have the plates reassigned, but, ONLY if I could produce a complete, legible, original 1969 California registration sticker. So... I spent 30 minutes chipping the 1971 registration sticker (under strict DMV supervision) to uncover the original 1969 registration sticker. I was then "allowed" to have the black plates reassigned. Bottom line.... You'll need a set of two black plates, in good condition, with one plate showing the California registration sticker for the year of the vehicle that you want the plate assinged to. They also require current registration, insurance, and a $20.00 doller per year "retention fee" for the plates. They didnt seem to be concerned with the sequential issue of plates, in that plates with the letter sequence starting with the letters X, Y, and Z were correct for a 1969 year model car. They were only concerned with the condition of the plates and that the approriate year registration sticker was present. I know this procedure will vary with each DMV office, and each DMV representitive, even though it should be standardized. Funny how a guy can walk into the DMV office with good intentions and get the runaround for something so simple. In light of the states financial problem, you'd think that if I brought my own plates in, along with cash payment, it would be a smooth deal to accomplish what is legal and just. Thanks for the rant....!!!!

[Astock]

302Z, So,the plates are reissued for a Hugger Orange with white stripes and flat hood original paint car with a couple dents and no spoiler? That's a good Z.

[1967Z28]

[ QUOTE ]
Getting back to when they stopped stamping the '63 on the plates....

I have some plates starting with X that dont have the '63...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/100_6960.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/100_6961.jpg


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Interesting. I have a California plate, XPA 230, and it does have the 63 stamped into it.

-Jon

[ChevyThunder]

I have both of these plates... would be nice for a Z/28 with the RS option http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/ChevyThunder/plates/24a0697f.jpg

[302Z]

Astock, You are correct. The car is still wearing that original hugger orange paint. I take it you are the gentleman that I should have purchased a certain hood from several years ago??

[al8apex]

ZRS is a very cool plate, could only be better if it ended with 069, 969 or 169 (or 67/68)

We have a pair of X plates that have the 63 stamp ...

some of the rag tag collection:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/JimRohn/july/caplates.jpg

[Late BrakeU2]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Getting back to when they stopped stamping the '63 on the plates....

I have some plates starting with X that dont have the '63...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/100_6960.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/100_6961.jpg


[/ QUOTE ]

Interesting. I have a California plate, XPA 230, and it does have the 63 stamped into it.

-Jon

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Here are couple of plates- the top is from my 69Z28, bought from the original owner in 2002. 10C VN built, sold 11/30/68 at Hallowell Chevy in Clovis CA. It is the lowest letter sequence of any black plate 69 I have seen,and does indeed have the etched 63 in the right box. Below that one is a GM manufacturer plate assigned to "Chevrolet Motor Divison. 1800 Ave of the stars, Century City CA." Blank box.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a147/LateBrakeU2/blackplates.jpg

I have seen some late Z sequence embossed and some without. DMV assigned letter sequence plates by counties, and there was a "West L.A. series" among others. Only a guess, but maybe the etched versions distinguished between northern from southern CA originated plates?.

Someone brought up the monthly stickers- California didn't adopt staggered registration until in 1974,but all black plate cars had to use them after that point..

[parkbrau]

That might be the case why my plates are not etched with 63.....regarding the North/South theory.
I did buy a Dec Sticker off E-Bay, so thanks for that lead.

[parkbrau]

And heres the plate before i sent it to the Tag Dr.

[ChevyThunder]

Went to DMV today to have my plates re issued. For those who would like to know what to bring in order to be prepared here is what I went through .

A) Bring in both plates that you are going to have re-issued
B) Make sure one has the model year of your car reg sticker showing . In my case 1969 ( I may be able to help if someone needs one)
C) If existing plates on car are generic bring them in too. If they are personalized then you can keep those
D) Bring in current insurance on vehicle
C) Bring in current registration
E) They want a Xerox copy of the plate so if you can do that yourself or scan it and print this will also save you some time. Took the clerk 10 min and 8 copies to get one she liked. She came back and went through all 8 copies.
F) Don’t forget your drivers license. I saw a few people not be able to produce their license when asked.

Here are the forms you will need . Form REG352 is the YOM application . You will also use this same form , but a separate copy, for a “ Release of Interest” from the previous plate owner if the plates are not cleared or out of the DMV system.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg352.pdf

I was also requested to fill out a “ Statement of Facts” DMV form REG256 .

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg256.pdf

I filled out the top of the backside of the form with my current Lic plate number , VIN and year and make info then used the section G on the backside and typed the following . Signed the bottom , section H .

“ I would like to re assign plate ###### to my 1969 Camaro . The plate is a black and yellow California plate that is period correct for my car . “


Being DMV these procedures may differ. The DMV clerk sitting next to the lady helping me looked at me and shook his head as if to say , “ why is she making that so hard? She doesn’t know what she is doing” . So be prepared

[gb70]

Man, I sure don't miss the CA DMV, not to mention their fees!

[Sportyworty]

Does anyone have a 68 sticker I could buy? I have the plates but took off all the stickers some time ago.

[69SSZL1]

There are plenty on ebay, prices are based on condition. They peel these off from old plates, these license plate dealers have been waiting a long time for this! Ebay tags (http://collectibles.shop.ebay.com/items/US-California_?_trkparms=65%253A10%257C66%253A2%257C3 9%253A1&amp;_dmd=1&amp;_mdo=Collectibles&amp;_pcats=14030%2C14 024%2C417%2C1&amp;_sacat=14032&amp;_sc=1&amp;_sop=10&amp;_trksid=p 3286.c0.m14&amp;_pgn=1)

[Sportyworty]

Thank you hit the ol buy it now

[rpoz11]

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I went to the DMV in West Covina, CA this morning to get the Black plates reassigned to my 69 Z. The plates were the ones that were on the car when I pulled it from a backyard in West Covina, CA 10 years ago. They didnt seem to be concerned with the sequential issue of plates, in that plates with the letter sequence starting with the letters X, Y, and Z were correct for a 1969 year model car. They were only concerned with the condition of the plates and that the approriate year registration sticker was present.

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Trying to JOG my memory here...

As I recall, Black Plates in California for the Year 1969 started in the "X - - 123" ( &lt;---EXAMPLE) alpha timeline.

Ill have to go take a look again at my friend's August 1968 VN Z28 and reread his plates again but he started his titling here in California back in September, 1968 for his car and his start with the " X " alpha.

" Y " alpha beginnings were around October/November 1968. I do not recall when they ended.

" Z " alpha started I think in around April/May 1969.

My PaceCar sat for a while before it was sold new and it came with Blue California plates. I think it was around January, 1970 that it sold and titled and received the Blue.
Those Plates started with the numerals followed by an " A " alpha. (Example : 123 Axx )

[rpoz11]

I am trying to remember here.......

The Z plates may have started earlier than what I have posted.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[m22mike]

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I am trying to remember here.......http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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The Z plates may have started earlier than what I have posted.

For what it's worth. I was released from active duty from the Navy May 4 1970.
I moved up to Ingelwood near LAX and sometime that first few weeks of May I got Cali plates on my car, ZZA 219. Does that sound about right ? When were the last black plates used up ?

[mockingbird812]

"I was released from active duty from the Navy May 4 1970." http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Late BrakeU2]

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The Z plates may have started earlier than what I have posted.

For what it's worth. I was released from active duty from the Navy May 4 1970.
I moved up to Ingelwood near LAX and sometime that first few weeks of May I got Cali plates on my car, ZZA 219. Does that sound about right ? When were the last black plates used up ?

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ZZA is getting down to the end, in theory the highest sequence would have been ZZZ 999,so May 70 is well within reason. Like Warren stated,there were blue plates in circulation in the fall of 69 far before the official DMW release date of 7/70. People buying new would receive there plates directly from DMV,while branch offices also issued them for all other purposes(lost,stolen,registering from out of state etc)

Y&amp;Z are the predominant sequence for 69 MY vehicles, but in some very rare cases like on your freinds sept built and my oct 68 car they have X series. I have only seen one other original X plate 69, would love to see what your freinds sept car was. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[1969l78]

Here is a pic of a car I onced owned. I bought from the original owners family. Its a ZVX plate. I had the original title and the car was first registered on 10/9/69.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s240/1969l78/Picture042.jpg

[fbirdguy]

My Trans Am was first registered 9/15/69.

http://www.carbuffs.com/taplateframe.jpg

[427TJ]

I'm getting the original '63-issue black plates for my '55 restored as we speak. I can't wait to see them! My Camaro didn't have its original black plates when I bought it but I scored a DEAD MINT matched pair of '67 CA plates with 67, 68, and 69 stickers on the rear plate. They were take-offs in '69 and stored. I got them before the YOM plate hype hit eBay and paid, wait for it, .... $29 bucks for the pair. It's okay to hate me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[rpoz11]

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Y&amp;Z are the predominant sequence for 69 MY vehicles, but in some very rare cases like on your freinds sept built and my oct 68 car they have X series. I have only seen one other original X plate 69, would love to see what your freinds sept car was. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

He lives about 2 miles from me, has ALL of the paperwork from when he bought it from the dealer.

Ill let you know ASAP!

Pretty thick stack, if I recall correctly.

His is a LOS built Daytona Yellow RS/Z with NO Cowl Induction , as ordered!

Even the paint is original and has the correct stencil stripes around the Camaro emblem on the trunk.

Chambered Exhuast is still on it!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Sportyworty]

I have an XON plate on a 68.5 428 CJ Mustang built May 2 1968. Would venture to say it was tagged right away because it was a special (delete) paint code car. Hope that helps

[69SSZL1]

Here is an early 1969 X license plate. A 1968 photo of a very early 1969 SS, judging by the front stripe. Don't know what O.J. is holding in his hand. http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/OAKLYSS/OJ69.jpg

[gb70]

Now he's making plates!

[rpoz11]

Here's something that I found online posted somewhere:

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h170/rpoz11/69VNCamaroYOW597.jpg

California Black Plates and built in Van Nuys on Dec.23,1968,vin # 124379Lxxxx

So, IF you are looking at this as I am, X to YOW really moved quickly from late September to December!

If a 3-4 month shift in plate alpha's moved this quickly, a ZAA000 could have occured around late March???

Hope this helps....

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[1967Z28]

[ QUOTE ]
... So, IF you are looking at this as I am, X to YOW really moved quickly from late September to December!

If a 3-4 month shift in plate alpha's moved this quickly, a ZAA000 could have occured around late March???

[/ QUOTE ]

I had a '69 Z that was bought new in Santa Barbara, CA on 4/4/69 and the plate was YXB405. Pretty close to the end of the Y series. YXAxxx was also used in Santa Barbara. I remember YBFxxx and YBGxxx also being used in the same town.

-Jon

[Late BrakeU2]

It's not easy to define, so much going on at that time. The inversed blue base were being issued well in advance of the official 7/70 release date, and to compound the whole deal 69 camaro production was (i think) possibly the longest of any model, running from aug 68 to dec 69.

The build date wasn't as telling as the initial registration date. That car was built 12/23, but it could have sat on the lot for months. I have seen all original 69 camaros with blue base,in some cases they were late 69 builds,others weren't initially titled until well into 1970. My Z was a built 10-19, and first sold 11-30-68. I would guesstimate 90% of 68 MY cars were W or X alpha sequence, with a few early builds being V,and the bulk of 69's being Y &amp; Z..a very few being X and on the backside a few blues sprinkled in. My 70 T/A was a VN build, sold 1 mile down the blvd at prestige pontiac in may 70 and was 163 BQT.

[rpoz11]

California <font color="blue">BLUE</font> Plates....

Yes I agree with this statement.

I know the exact license plate info for my Camaro because I have it on some documents.

My car was built in Feb/March 1969 and didnt sell until 1970.

I am rather certain it sat on the showroom floor at a Porterville, California showroom.

The original owner verified what my Camaro came with when I found him and spoke with him.

He stated the 1970 purchase date.

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[rpoz11]

Here is another example:

1969 Camaro LM1

VIN: 124379L511946




http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h170/rpoz11/1969LeMansBlueCamaroXFM863.jpg

[Late BrakeU2]

Interesting.. that car is some 5k units after mine,yet second character(F)is much earlier than mine(M).I would postulate this has something to do with the whole NorCal/So Cal series plates, of which I am clueless..
Noticed the Anchor tag,and Courtesy frames. Can't see the top but assuming it's San Jose as opposed to the San Diego dealership- they sold quite few cars to navy personel due to their proximity to the base.
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[al8apex]

I believe that each office had a supply of plates to work with

"back east" you used to be able to tell what county the plates were issued from based on the prefix letters. I assume each office was given a large supply of plates to issue from and there must have been some sort of "regional" issuing office that serviced all the dealers in their "territory" that is why you will see some plates with a "later" letter prefix that may have been issued before and earlier prefix

best guess here

[rpoz11]

[ QUOTE ]
I believe that each office had a supply of plates to work with

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, I am sure that this is the case.

I'd go into local DMV offices around me, which there are several of, and they had drawers where the plates were in limited stacks; probably rotated and supplied in an as needed basis.

California is a large state, of course, and I can only assume that they were shipping boxes of these to DMV offices in no random order as they were being supplied.

Trying to get some general proximity to VIN/Build dates for those who locate plates they wish to reissue to their cars!
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[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
Noticed the Anchor tag,and Courtesy frames. Can't see the top but assuming it's San Jose as opposed to the San Diego dealership- they sold quite few cars to navy personel due to their proximity to the base.

[/ QUOTE ]

NAS Moffet Field was very close to San Jose so that's probably where that base sticker (anchor sticker) originated. NAS Alameda was the next closest base and it was next to Oakland--or perhaps Hunters Point Naval Shipyard over near Candlestick Park on the SF side.

[rpoz11]

[ QUOTE ]
Here is another example:

1969 Camaro LM1

VIN: 124379L511946




http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h170/rpoz11/1969LeMansBlueCamaroXFM863.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Last Add:

Received this from the owner:

1969 Camaro LM1 option. TH350 trans, and 12 bolt multi leaf rear end.

LM1 Coding:

5LM1AA (This is a 255HP-350CI Build!)
5M40QA (TH-350 ? Transmission install.)
5F41AB (Special-Purpose Suspension)

This one states being sold on December 19'th, 1968.

12A build date on the COWL TAG and an F348 build date sequence.

I am GUESSING that the F represents December, and it's the 348'th unit built that month.

Funny thing, that my PaceCar is a G series and having a later Month build.

Tells me my Car was a slow build based upon the special order.

[Late BrakeU2]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Here is another example:

1969 Camaro LM1

VIN: 124379L511946




http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h170/rpoz11/1969LeMansBlueCamaroXFM863.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Last Add:

Received this from the owner:

1969 Camaro LM1 option. TH350 trans, and 12 bolt multi leaf rear end.

LM1 Coding:

5LM1AA (This is a 255HP-350CI Build!)
5M40QA (TH-350 ? Transmission install.)
5F41AB (Special-Purpose Suspension)

This one states being sold on December 19'th, 1968.

12A build date on the COWL TAG and an F348 build date sequence.

I am GUESSING that the F represents December, and it's the 348'th unit built that month.

Funny thing, that my PaceCar is a G series and having a later Month build.

Tells me my Car was a slow build based upon the special order.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just a geuss,but I think the alpha code preceeding the three digit # on the trim tag represents the day of the month the body was built. That car is a 12A,"F" would be the 7th of the month. My car was a 10C,it's an "S" and that would equate to the 19th.

LM1,the poor man's COPO!

[rpoz11]

I was referring in general terms on the F being in December of that month.

I didnt look it up, but I agree with you!

[rpoz11]

Found a guy locally who restores California License Plates from 1929 to late 1970's.

He said "No Problem" with 60's <font color="black"> BLACK </font> Plates as well as "No Problem" doing the 70's <font color="blue"> BLUE </font> Plates.

Any Metal repair will have additional charges respectively as needed per plate repair requested.

PM me and I can forward his info to you!

[jbsides]

Ray Ray?

[302Z]

Has anyone that had thier black plates reassigned received anything back in the mail from DMV yet?? I had mine reassigned the 1st week of July, and received a pink window tag that expires the end of this month. As of today, no paperwork from DMV with a registration card of anything....

[Z28DL]

I did my plates on the second day and still have not received the tags. I have a number of freinds that did their plates with in the first/second week and have not received anything. If anyone receives their tags please post on the site.
Thanks,
Dave L.
SoCal

[427TJ]

I read on another site that the DMV is WAY behind on the new YOM program.

[rpoz11]

Got 2 more to add to the mix :

124379L510865

Cal Black Plates : XTY 659
12-06-1968 Sale

69 12437 LOS198064
723 65 V483

Kinda hard to guess the build date without having more trim Tag info from this one.
Need more VINs to compare to but I assume this is a last week OCT build date.

Next car :

1969 Camaro 124379L500xxx

09A on the trim tag

Cal Black Plates XOL 721

Appears that there are 10,000 VINs between "O" &amp; "T" if you are following just GM thru Van Nuys.
Maybe every 2500 VINs changed Alpha in the timeline....all just a guess here but something to follow if you are trying to look for a specific Black Plate to build time for your car.

Hope this is helpful.
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Add Info :
I just did some calculations, and as we all know, there were alot of cars sold in California in 1969.
As I was calculating out the movement of Alpha used, "Y" thru "Z" was really moving along at almost twice or more thru the 1969 year as plates were assigned to ALL cars in this state.

[69SSZL1]

Here's a weird one on ebay. An 02C car with a WCR plate. That should be a 68 car. Link: 69 Z/28 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-True-Z28-California-Survivor_W0QQitemZ320421133361QQcmdZViewItemQQptZU S_Cars_Trucks?hash=item4a9a967c31&amp;_trksid=p4506.c0 .m245)

[rpoz11]

[ QUOTE ]
Here's a weird one on ebay. An 02C car with a WCR plate. That should be a 68 car. Link: 69 Z/28 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-True-Z28-California-Survivor_W0QQitemZ320421133361QQcmdZViewItemQQptZU S_Cars_Trucks?hash=item4a9a967c31&amp;_trksid=p4506.c0 .m245)

[/ QUOTE ]

That is unusual.

WCR 473

That car is VIN'd and Built way later than what that Black Plate should be to it.

Only thing that I could assume would be that it was tagged at a Calif DMV that had those plates sitting or were returned, never used, and assigned to this car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Late BrakeU2]

"Car is currently registered in California and I have a clear California title in my name"

And along with his white reflectorized plates he will throw in the perfectly aged patina one's that are staged on the car. Nice try, and if not in the system they theoretically could be assigned..but this alpha sequence was initially issued to some vehicle around a year before this Z was built.

[69SSZL1]

Nice catch, I ran the WCR plates and they are not registered. Calling this Camaro a "Survivor" is blasphemy. I guess "rust free" means he is not charging for the rust I see all over the car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[jbsides]

[ QUOTE ]
I believe that each office had a supply of plates to work with

"back east" you used to be able to tell what county the plates were issued from based on the prefix letters. I assume each office was given a large supply of plates to issue from and there must have been some sort of "regional" issuing office that serviced all the dealers in their "territory" that is why you will see some plates with a "later" letter prefix that may have been issued before and earlier prefix

best guess here

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, the Golden State made a feeble attempt at the same county identification scheme as back east in the 70's when the 7-digit numbering sequence for standard issue (non-personalized) plates was introduced. Plates that had sequences starting with "1" were for Sacramento County residents, "2" were for LA county, "3" were for Orange County, "4" were for San Diego County, etc. I'm not sure what happened, but it was dropped a few years back.

I had "XJZ 951" a (late '68) '69 RS/SS from Gledhill Chevrolet, and "YZN 712" an April '69 Z from Selman Chevrolet. My November '68 '69 RS/SS has blue tags.

JB

[firez]

My 68 Z28 is from Selman Chevrolet and was a 02E car with VNK--- on the original black plates I still have.

[rpoz11]

California Black Plates

OK, so here is where we are at with this so far :

VNK 123 ... March/April 1968

XFM 863 ... 12A build 12/19/68 SOLD, 124379L511946
XJZ 951 ... Late 1968
XMG 755 ... 10C VN built, sold 11/30/68
XOL 721 ... 09A 124379L500xxx
XON 123 ... May 2, 1968
XRK 691 ... OJ 1969 Camaro
XTY 659 ... 12-06-1968 Sold, 124379L510865


YOW 597 ... 12/23/68, 124379Lxxxx
YXB 405 ... 4/4/69
YZN 712 ... 4/xx/69

ZQY 367 ... 9/15/69
ZVX 549 ... 10/9/69
ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

Need more submissions to add to the list here...

['69Novajoe]

Mine was from 07/69.....

ZVM 073

[Charley Lillard]

YMP 718 124379L500578

YAB 739 124379L503396

[69SSZL1]

YZU --- 04B built, sold 6-6-69

[rpoz11]

This may get long...

Lets see where it all goes...

updated:

VNK 123 ... March/April 1968

XFM 863 ... 12A build 12/19/68 SOLD, 124379L511946
XJZ 951 ... Late 1968
XMG 755 ... 10C VN built, sold 11/30/68
XOL 721 ... 09A 124379L500xxx
XON 123 ... May 2, 1968
XRK 691 ... OJ 1969 Camaro
XTY 659 ... 12-06-1968 Sold, 124379L510865


YAB 739 ... 124379L503396
YMP 718 ... 124379L500578
YOW 597 ... 12/23/68, 124379Lxxxx
YXB 405 ... 4/4/69
YZN 712 ... 4/xx/69
YZU 123 ... 04B built, sold 6-6-69

ZQY 367 ... 9/15/69
ZVM 073 ... 7/xx/69
ZVX 549 ... 10/9/69

ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

[rpoz11]

So with ZAA 000 , where do we feel this ALPHA began?

Note, I gotta think that somewhere in here any affect to our GM cars may reflect the strike out here in Van Nuys.

I forgot the dates where that strike lasted that year...

[Late BrakeU2]

Short of contacting someone who worked at DMV(or Folsom http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif) involved with dissemination,it's going to be very hard to establish a definitive timeline with these.

1968 was the first year CA DMV began using random access computer for processing basic registration documentation.

Also unless you have a definitive first date of sale, assigning an alpha to a build date/VIN won't really be conclusive as some were titled the day they rolled off the truck- and others sat on lots for months. Purely speculation, but i would say there weren't any W 69 MY's, and no Z suffix cars sold in calendar year 68. X and Y were shuffled up- look at that very early 09A car Charlie listed(one of the first off) and the other 09A listed and they are both Y&amp;X respectively. If I had to guess Charlies car sold later than the other 09A example. Then throw the regional series deal into the mix along with a sprinkling of early release blue base and it's muddies it further.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[rpoz11]

A general timeline is only what we can gather.

With ALPHAS moving in and out of the timeline, we can only hope to generate possible Black Plate assignment possibilities to promote those who wish to assign AVAILABLE California Black Plates to Titles and Cars.

Lets keep this an open submission and hope to gather possible selections for further use.

[Sportyworty]

This is my third week of November 1967 built 68 car. It may be possible that a VZ plate was issued very early in 68 but likely as stated above W for 68.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s46/sportyworty/68427FBIII001.jpg

[hubleyman]

Here's a couple more:

VYV 007 124678L314967 11D body date (68 SS 396 Camaro Conv)

YIP 023 124379L511982 12A body date (69 Z/28)

[Charley Lillard]

03C ZUZ 433 124379L527246

04C YZU 128 124379L529646

[rpoz11]

Remember, this is just to approach possible lineage.
Not to be exact, of course.


Updated :
California Black Plates

VNK 123 ... March/April 1968
VXE 716 ... 10/xx/67
VYV 007 ... 11/xx/67

XFM 863 ... 12A build 12/19/68 SOLD, 124379L511946
XJZ 951 ... Late 1968
XMG 755 ... 10C VN built, sold 11/30/68
XOL 721 ... 09A 124379L500xxx
XON 123 ... May 2, 1968
XRK 691 ... OJ 1969 Camaro
XTY 659 ... 12-06-1968 Sold, 124379L510865

YAB 739 ... 11D 124379L503396
YIP 023 ... 12A 124379L511982
YMP 718 ... 124379L500578
YOW 597 ... 12/23/68, 124379Lxxxx
YXB 405 ... 4/4/69
YZN 712 ... 4/xx/69
YZU 123 ... 04B built, sold 6-6-69
YZU 128 ... 04C 124379L529646

ZQY 367 ... 9/15/69
ZUZ 433 ... 03C 124379L527246
ZVM 073 ... 7/xx/69
ZVX 549 ... 10/9/69
ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

[hubleyman]

Here's the earliest LA built 69 Camaro I've had... don't know when it was originally sold.

YIA 052 124379L500471 08E body date

[Late BrakeU2]

Based on the list including only date of sale cars you can fine tune the chronology.



XFM 863 ... 12A build 12/19/68 SOLD, 124379L511946

XMG 755 ... 10C VN built, sold 11/30/68
XON 123 ... May 2, 1968
XTY 659 ... 12-06-1968 Sold, 124379L510865


YOW 597 ... 12/23/68, 124379Lxxxx
YXB 405 ... 4/4/69
YZN 712 ... 4/xx/69
* YZU 123 ... 04B built, sold 6-6-69

* From this very late Y suffix you could guesstimate the Z intro was July..




ZQY 367 ... 9/15/69

ZVM 073 ... 7/xx/69
ZVX 549 ... 10/9/69
* ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

* This last one is very near the end run,but with Joe's Nova being ZVM and sold 7/69, 5/70 seems out of order- unless it was a plate issued from a branch for a lost or stolen replacement.. local offices held older stock for months later. Whether or not DMV went all the way to ZZZ 999 with blues already well into circulation is open for debate. I know when the state did the wholesale switch from yellow to black in 62 i'm fairly certain there weren't any Z suffix yellow base issued- they stopped at Y. JMHO

['69Novajoe]

[ QUOTE ]
* This last one is very near the end run,but with Joe's Nova being ZVM and sold 7/69, 5/70 seems out of order- unless it was a plate issued from a branch for a lost or stolen replacement.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey Mark, I listed when I took possession of the car. I actually ordered it in May of '69. Does that make a difference?? I can go find the actual registration cards if I have to!! Don't want to mess this whole thing up with mis-information.
Joe C.

[Late BrakeU2]

Hi Joe, your good- only counts when the dealer put those temp paper tags on her;)
Personally I think as long as you have the correct year reg tag for your car, they are so clueless as to sequence you could walk in to 75% of branch offices and assign a pair of ABC 123 series plates on a 69 and they would not know the diff. We are far more passionate than them and all Arnie cares is that the program generates revenue!

Of course it floods the shows with black plates,but white base reflectorized are just wrong on these. At least we both have the satisfaction of knowing ours are original to the car!
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[rpoz11]

[ QUOTE ]
Here's the earliest LA built 69 Camaro I've had... don't know when it was originally sold.

YIA 052 124379L500471 08E body date

[/ QUOTE ]

Updated :

California Black Plates

VNK 123 ... March/April 1968
VXE 716 ... 10/xx/67
VYV 007 ... 11/xx/67
XFM 863 ... 12A build 12/19/68 SOLD, 124379L511946
XJZ 951 ... Late 1968
XMG 755 ... 10C VN built, sold 11/30/68
XOL 721 ... 09A 124379L500xxx
XON 123 ... May 2, 1968
XRK 691 ... OJ 1969 Camaro
XTY 659 ... 12-06-1968 Sold, 124379L510865


YAB 739 ... 11D 124379L503396
YIA 052 ... 08E 124379L500471
YIP 023 ... 12A 124379L511982
YMP 718 ... 124379L500578
YOW 597 ... 12/23/68, 124379Lxxxx
YXB 405 ... 4/4/69
YZN 712 ... 4/xx/69
YZU 123 ... 04B built, sold 6-6-69
YZU 128 ... 04C 124379L529646



ZQY 367 ... 9/15/69
ZUZ 433 ... 03C 124379L527246
ZVM 073 ... 7/xx/69
ZVX 549 ... 10/9/69
ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

[rpoz11]

[ QUOTE ]
Based on the list including only date of sale cars you can fine tune the chronology?


YOW 597 ... 12/23/68, 124379Lxxxx
YXB 405 ... 4/4/69
YZN 712 ... 4/xx/69
* YZU 123 ... 04B built, sold 6-6-69

* From this very late Y suffix you could guesstimate the Z intro was July..




ZQY 367 ... 9/15/69

ZVM 073 ... 7/xx/69
ZVX 549 ... 10/9/69
* ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

* This last one is very near the end run,but with Joe's Nova being ZVM and sold 7/69, 5/70 seems out of order- unless it was a plate issued from a branch for a lost or stolen replacement.. local offices held older stock for months later. Whether or not DMV went all the way to ZZZ 999 with blues already well into circulation is open for debate. I know when the state did the wholesale switch from yellow to black in 62 i'm fairly certain there weren't any Z suffix yellow base issued- they stopped at Y. JMHO

[/ QUOTE ]

"Based on the list including only date of sale cars you can fine tune the chronology?"

I am just using what is supplied here.

This is a start.

Dont try to be too exact here until more info can be submitted.

Many of us have been watching these plates for years.

I have several sets to use or sell that could suffice 1969 needs in the may on area.

While not knowing all criteria needed to establish more precise results,
this list should be added to to attempt to support some sort of use;
whether it be your original car or one you would like to come close with.

Many of us dreamt the day California would allow us to use our BLACK plates for such assignments.

So, now is the time and here we are.

Lets try to build more submissions here to create a better and more broad list to use."



"* This last one is very near the end run,but with Joe's Nova being ZVM and sold 7/69, 5/70 seems out of order- unless it was a plate issued from a branch for a lost or stolen replacement..
local offices held older stock for months later.
Whether or not DMV went all the way to ZZZ 999 with blues already well into circulation is open for debate.
I know when the state did the wholesale switch from yellow to black in 62 i'm fairly certain there weren't any Z suffix yellow base issued- they stopped at Y. JMHO"

I will tell you that that so far that a 5/70 is not acceptable for a Z plate.

My Camaro, as a 1969 March build, was a 000 AAA BLUE plate in early 1970.

So, dont concern yourself in thinking that this is an exact list.

Let this play out some over a short period of time so as more people can submit more info towards the list.
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[m22mike]

* ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

* This last one is very near the end run,but with Joe's Nova being ZVM and sold 7/69, 5/70 seems out of order- unless it was a plate issued from a branch for a lost or stolen replacement.. local offices held older stock for months later. Whether or not DMV went all the way to ZZZ 999 with blues already well into circulation is open for debate. I know when the state did the wholesale switch from yellow to black in 62 i'm fairly certain there weren't any Z suffix yellow base issued- they stopped at Y. JMHO

[/ QUOTE ]

In re: to my old plate ZZA 219 ( go back and read post #412923 - 07/28/09 on pg.5 )
From what I recall the DMV branch I went to seemed like a small neighbrhood operation ? Keep in mind this was not a new car issure, and I most definetly got it after the May 1 1970 date.
Could that plate have been sitting for some time on the shelf ?
Neat thread. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[rpoz11]

That we can all guess is plausible...
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

How rural an area was this ?

[m22mike]

I would not call it rural, it was somewhere close by to Inglewood. Heck that was along time ago.

[LS7]

I received my registration and 2010 tags for my reassigned black plates yesterday. I had the plates assigned at the Concord DMV on July 1st.

[69SSZL1]

I have read of 1 other person getting their tags, looks like we are on the way. Do you have standard month and year stickers? did you get a metal add-on tag extension?

[LS7]

Yes, the registration came with the standard month &amp; date stickers and two metal plates.


Dan

[302Z]

I received my registration, decals, and metal plates in the mail today. My trip to DMV was on July 6th. I sure hope that there is a way to avoid using the metal tabs that were sent to me!!!

[rpoz11]

[ QUOTE ]
I sure hope that there is a way to avoid using the metal tabs that were sent to me!!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Could you elaborate on this Metal Tabs suggestion???

I missed this part...sorry http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[302Z]

http://www.oldpl8s.com/tab-dmv.jpg On the the attached webpage, there is a photo of two aluminum tabs that DMV is sending out with the registration and stickers. They dont fit the corners of the plates, and will look pretty funky bolted on the car with the plates. I take it they dont want new registration stickers installed over the YOM registration sticker that we had to have to get the plates assigned in the first place??!!

[69SSZL1]

What do the instructions say to do on the tag wrappers?

[302Z]

I fixed the link in the above post to go directly to the photo of the tabs. The registration stickers provided are the standard issue that have the instructions for installing them as usual directly to the plate. When my registration packet arrived to include the aluminum tabs, it was the first I'd seen or heard of them. No instructions provided....

[69SSZL1]

Finally got my stickers today. They did come with the 2 tab plates. I talked to the DMV directly about these. They said they are not meant for these License plates, only the old 50's plates that don't have the 2 wells. So don't use them.