New Generation of Motion Camaros - What Happened?

[markjohnson]

Just kinda curious about what happened with the new generation of Motion Camaros that were going to go into production. I remember the red one rolling across the auction block at B-J a couple of years ago and everybody was expecting to see several more similar ones popping up but I've never seen anymore at all besides the initial red one. What happened?

[motionwannabe]

i think those are strictly a "MADE TO ORDER" car. I'm not positive on that but, with the price and the economy im sure these things arent being rapidly produced

[Born30YrsLate]

Another branch on the Motion Performance Tree!... 2010 Motion Camaro (http://www.officialbaldwinmotion.com/camaro_red.htm)

[x Baldwin Motion]

Haven't seen too many of these? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
http://www.officialbaldwinmotion.com/support/2cars.jpg

[AutoInsane]

Motion should make a LS7 version of the 5th Gen Camaro. They would sell a lot!!

The gaudy pro street cars they are trying to over-charge for look terrible....

[Atuckman]

take a look at officialbaldwinmotion.com/ad.htm
looks like they are doing a limited run

[AutoInsane]

They look good!! I am guessing the price will be over $100k??

[gb70]

"Prices start at $169,000 for the SS-427 Classic and $189,000 for the Phase III 540 Camaro. Warranty coverage is available."

[m19gale]

I thought i read that the 169K and 189K were for the existing 1969 bodied cars... the 2009 and beyond Camaros are the cost of the car plus $60K starting for basic, goes up from there as to what you want. I talked to Larry at motion and it is basically a 2-3 month wait for the car to be ordered, then the time to do the modifications. Again the more radical, the longer..

[JRSully]

Build 'em the way they basically looked in the late 60's, early 70's and you'll probably sell a boat load of them, keep the option list handy if anybody wants the silly wheels and flares etc. I have to figure that the majority of the target audience for these remember the old versions anyway. How many kit Cobras do you see out there that look exactly like originals.? My .02

[427TJ]

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Just kinda curious about what happened with the new generation of Motion Camaros that were going to go into production. I remember the red one rolling across the auction block at B-J a couple of years ago and everybody was expecting to see several more similar ones popping up but I've never seen anymore at all besides the initial red one. What happened?

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They cost too much and don't look like the originals.

Joe Sixpack could easily buy one (finance one) in 1967-73 but Joe Sixpack's earnings have remained essentially stagnant since the early 1980s while prices have slowly crept upward. Add to that the rise of the millionaire car collector and Joe Sixpack's old B-M (and just "M") 427/454 (etc.) conversion cars became Faberge Eggs overnight as their legend, and monetary value, exploded.

I understand the hope of the Motion guys that they could profit off of the recent money-mania in the collector car scene but they seem to have missed their mark. Timing could be a factor too as the easy/free credit economy collapsed. Maybe four years ago Joe Sixpack could borrow on his house to buy a new Motion Camaro but not anymore. Not for a while anyway, until easy credit returns.

Joe Sixpack made the B-M cars famous 40 years ago and these new cars just don't seem to electrify people the same way. Collector/investors have made almost everything that is desireable virtually unaffordable to the rest of us and without easy credit we can't even mortgage our homes anymore to buy toys we can't really afford.

It seems to me that the new Motion cars aimed right past the Joe Sixpacks (who can barely afford a new Camaro) and right at the car collector/investor demographic. So far it seems that the car collector/investor demographic has not responded, at least not in the numbers the builders may have hoped for. Maybe we have to wait another 40 years and see?

[dreemz]

Actually, a full on Phase III SS427 car was quite expensive back in the day, depending on how it was set up. These cars were all custom ordered and were likely the most expensive muscle cars ever built. Joels clients came from around the world and even included royalty. Marty will discuss alot about this in the new book. The new car pricing is probably not that far off in todays dollars.

[427TJ]

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Actually, a full on Phase III SS427 car was quite expensive back in the day, depending on how it was set up. These cars were all custom ordered and were likely the most expensive muscle cars ever built. Joels clients came from around the world and even included royalty. Marty will discuss alot about this in the new book. The new car pricing is probably not that far off in todays dollars.

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True, but Joe Oldham wasn't royalty (sorry, Mr. Oldham!), nor were the street racers and local gear-heads Like our JoeG who patronized Motion for conversion work. Yes the full B-M conversion cars were more expensive than factory L78s and L89s (etc.) but not as comparitively expensive as the new-build Motion cars are vs. the current crop of new muscle, especially when compared to the diminished purchasing power of today's working stiff. That was my point. One of them anyway. A new Camaro with all the high-perf options is in the 50K range and the new 2010 Motion Camaros add 50K to that. Even if they are 'only' 100K I don't know many 'regular guys' who have 100K (plus) to spend on a new Motion Camaro (let alone 50K-plus for a loaded 2010 Camaro SS). 169K to start talking about buying a new-build '69 Motion Camaro is REALLY out of reach of the average working man. So your point is well taken but my point is that today, in 2009, you really DO have to be royalty to afford a new Motion-built vehicle.

I already pre-ordered my copy of Marty's new book on Amazon and I can't wait to see it.

[dreemz]

"Joe Six-Pack could easily buy(finance one)". Not the case for a NEW loaded Phase III SS 427 car at the time. Lots of individuals had some component from Motion Performance on their cars (i.e. the local gear heads and street racers you refer to) but a loaded new car was a totally different story. A member on this site owns a GT Corvette that had a sticker of over 17K. What would that be in comparable dollars? A Lamborghini Miura at the time was 20K. Today a Murcielago goes for 300K plus.

[markjohnson]

You know, what did that New Generation Baldwin-Motion Camaro sell for at B-J a few years ago? I wanna say it was $400K-$600K. That's a narrow market that caters only to the wealthy. How about a version for around $100K? That would immensely increase your market of "eligible" people. I'm visualizing the gathering up of a fleet of decent, base coupe 1969 Camaros for maybe $20-25,000 a piece, a Bill Mitchell Hardcore Crate 540-572 CID Engine (because of his past history with Joel Rosen and Motion), a new Autogear Super Muncie M-22 Rockcrusher or Tremec TKO 600 5-speed, and a new Moser or Strange 12-Bolt. That's the basics for less than $50,000 and add around another $50,000 for the small details, paint and assembly. Keep these things basic also and DON'T offer any other options to exotic. Now I know that the price tag of roughly $100,000 is still a lot of money to most people, but just look at that price as falling between a new Z06 Corvette and a new ZR-1 Corvette and all of a sudden, it doesn't seem so bad. After all, this would be the opportunity for many to buy a brand new 1969 Rat-motored Camaro again if you couldn't afford it then or maybe wasn't even alive yet! You christen this car the "Baldwin-Motion Heritage Edition" or maybe even the "Baldwin-Motion Continuation Series" and I just can't help but think you have a winner on your hands! Oh yeah, I just realized, with all those cubic-inches and superior-flowing aluminum heads, you can offer this car with a guarantee of a 10.50 time slip or faster! That's within reason. Heck, I think I've talked myself into one!

[Motion Camaro]

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"Joe Six-Pack could easily buy(finance one)". Not the case for a NEW loaded Phase III SS 427 car at the time. Lots of individuals had some component from Motion Performance on their cars (i.e. the local gear heads and street racers you refer to) but a loaded new car was a totally different story. A member on this site owns a GT Corvette that had a sticker of over 17K. What would that be in comparable dollars? A Lamborghini Miura at the time was 20K. Today a Murcielago goes for 300K plus.

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<font color="blue">In 1968 a NEW Camaro was in the $2500 range, a NEW B-M Camaro could be had in the $4500 area; not quite twice the price.
So if you don't start with a fully loaded 2SS &amp; go for the simple 1LS/1SS @ $25K/30K
there is no reason it should be more than $40-60K for the Motion car ... TOTAL.

Now, of coarse if you start with a $50K car it may cost you $100+.
Remember, the more you check off on the option list, the more you gotta pay.

click before reading on (http://www.entertonement.com/clips/kbnjncmcvc--Hail-to-the-Chief)
So, give me a 1LS with a Motion 427 option, 5 Speed, a 4.56 rear &amp; a 90 day warranty, I'll drive the wheels off it for $40K. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

Put Motion back on the map. Let me &amp; others have a chance to buy a NEW MOTION CAMARO without mortgaging my life. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif</font>

[JoeG]

That's pretty much the way it was for a basic PhaseIII setup Mike.....then there was the go &amp; show option list..........