1968 Z28 COWL COLOR

[ALLZS]

ON A LA BUILT 68 Z28 WAS THE COWL AERA PAINTED THE COLOR OF THE CAR OR THE COLOR OF THE STRIPE ?

[BARRY]

HI str[pe color

[X66 714]

I know 02E cars were car color across the top of the cowl & painted white under the cowl. I'm guessing you have white stripes. What is the build date of your car?
Joe

[ALLZS]

IT IS A BLACK STRIPE CAR AND HAS A BUILD DATE OF 04D

[X66 714]

Mine is all black. No color....Joe

[ALLZS]

HOW ABOUT THE INNER PART OF THE FENDER WOULD THAT BE BLACK ALSO ?

[X66 714]

If you're refering to the edge where the hinges are, it's car color....Joe

[firez]

My 02E Z28 has white across the top of the cowl and also under the wiper cowl. The white extends just to about 6 inches from the fenders . My car was painted the same as the picture on page 75 of Jerry MacNeishs book on 67-68 Z28s before I restored it.

[al8apex]

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ON A LA BUILT 68 Z28 WAS THE COWL AERA PAINTED THE COLOR OF THE CAR OR THE COLOR OF THE STRIPE ?

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all 67-69 Van Nuys cars had the cowl painted the color of the stripe, even the Z10 & Z11 69 Pace Cars.

Here is a pic of a 68 Z:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/JimRohn/june/68zengcomp.jpg

[X66 714]

I have pictures of an 02E Los Angeles car that is still original, never been painted or touched up & it looks nothing like the car Jim has posted...Joe

[68SSCamaro]

PTB stamps weren't used in Van Nuys.

[X66 714]

Yeah...don't get me started on what's WRONG with that car. I will try to post a picture later. Joe

[X66 714]

How do I post a picture. Thanks, Joe

[al8apex]

to post a picture:

your http address of your picture ending in .jpg

no spaces

search team Camaro, there has been a lot of discussions on that subject there with pictures

the PTB IS wrong (duh), but the stripe color and coverage is right

[SSRSBOB]

Did LA remove cowl panel to paint this area? I would say yes.

Bob

[al8apex]

the cowl was painted before the cowl panel went on

[SSRSBOB]

That's what I thought, I have photos somewhere showing that.

Bob

[al8apex]

Here are some pics of some VN Z11's:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/JimRohn/june/69pacecowl.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/JimRohn/june/69pacecarcowllos.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/JimRohn/june/69pacecarlosccowl.jpg

[ALLZS]

SO ON A BLACK STRIPE CAR THE COWL AND FIREWALL WILL ALL BLEND TOGETHER ?

[firez]

I wonder why some of these pics show the stripe colour all the way across the cowl and others as mine is were masked off and done like the one in Jerrys book on page 75. Mine was this way before restored,a tape line and then body colour beyond that out to the fender.

[ALLZS]

MINE IS GLOSS BLACK ALL THE WAY TO THE FENDERS JUST LIKE THE PICTURES OF THE Z/11 CAR THAT IS PAINTED ORANGE ALL THE WAY ACROSS ? I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS IN CORRECT TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE FENDER BUT YOU CAN TELL IT HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED ON MY CAR !

[TonyHuntimerRaceHome]

So far, in my research on the subject has shown that stripe-color paint was painted in a section as shown in the image I've posted here (69 Z11 03B)...as well as paint all the way across the cowl between the pinch weld and from the base of the windshield to the top front edge of the firewall. So far, there hasn't been a rhyme or reason to LOS or NOR...can somebody chime in?

Thanks,
Tony Huntimer
Camaro Performers Magazine
http://www.racehome.com/images/camaros/NOR03B-Z11COWL.jpg

[X66 714]

Tony probably has a good point here. I sent firez a picture of an 02E car that was built 15 cars before mine. White stripes but lemans blue across the cowl like the car Tony has posted. My car, with black stripes was not like this.
Joe

[TonyHuntimerRaceHome]

Not sure of the first cars' build date or assembly plant, but here are some OP (original paint) Z28's:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/RamAirDave/RestoReference/Zcowl2.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/RamAirDave/RestoReference/Zcowl3.jpg

Here's a 02D Norwood '69
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/RamAirDave/RestoReference/Zcowl4.jpg

Tony Huntimer
Camaro Performers Magazine

Camaros.net also has a little linfo on this subject at:
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=145403&highlight=stripe+color+cow l&page=2

[al8apex]

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So far, in my research on the subject has shown that stripe-color paint was painted in a section as shown in the image I've posted here (69 Z11 03B)...as well as paint all the way across the cowl between the pinch weld and from the base of the windshield to the top front edge of the firewall. So far, there hasn't been a rhyme or reason to LOS or NOR...can somebody chime in?

Thanks,
Tony Huntimer
Camaro Performers Magazine
http://www.racehome.com/images/camaros/NOR03B-Z11COWL.jpg

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your picture is an example of how NORWOOD painted the Z10/Z11 cars, not Van Nuys

again, the pictures I posted earlier are ONLY for Van Nuys cars ...

[al8apex]

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SO ON A BLACK STRIPE CAR THE COWL AND FIREWALL WILL ALL BLEND TOGETHER ?

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no, because the firewall paint is NOT the same gloss as the stripe paint, the top of the cowl will appear shinier the firewall as the rest of the engine compartment & firewall paint is not the same as the gloss black they used on the exterior of the cars ...

[TonyHuntimerRaceHome]

This Olympic Gold car is a NORWOOD car:


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http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/RamAirDave/RestoReference/Zcowl2.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/RamAirDave/RestoReference/Zcowl3.jpg


Tony Huntimer
Camaro Performers Magazine


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[al8apex]

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This Olympic Gold car is a NORWOOD car:
Tony Huntimer
Camaro Performers Magazine


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then the Z11 you pictured is a Norwood car as well? I have owned over a dozen Z10/Z11's and I have never seen a Norwood car done any way other than your picture above.

have not ever seen a Van Nuys car without the seam to seam cowl covered with stripe color, but then I have not looked at every single car ever built http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[67L78conv]

These are some shots from an 04D LOS special paint 68Z that was at Carlisle this year. Original paint and most components still on the car. Looks to me like the area under the cowl is all black gloss same as stripe color on this one as well.

Hope it helps. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

http://www.musclecarmediallc.com/posts/68Zfirewall.jpg

http://www.musclecarmediallc.com/posts/68zcowl.jpg

http://www.musclecarmediallc.com/posts/68zcowlb.jpg

[67L78conv]

Which after looking at your profile, turns out as being yours. Have a few others in my unrestored archive discs, will try and dig them up for you. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[SSRSBOB]

The mcneish 67-68 Camaro book has several photos of original LA cowls in it.

Bob

[firez]

Yes his book does and it shows that the cowl does not get painted from side to side. It shows the paint stopping well short of the pinch welds

[al8apex]

it is clear that they do though, so take his book with a grain of salt

[firez]

Someone has his mind made up. Very critical I will say PTB on a LOS car I think not

[TonyHuntimerRaceHome]

Hey Jim,

Was that your Z11 in the pictures you posted? If so, do you have any close up pictures of the cowl before the restoration?

Thanks!
Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

[firez]

Also ironic all the pics of it clear across are quite shiny. Being lacquer paint and that GM never colour sanded this area makes me wonder .

[m22mike]

These have been posted B4, could not find the old thread.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Z28cowl-1.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/c7fb_1.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/CowlPNT.jpg

The blue car is a Norwood car, and I think the orange car is a photo that Charley Lillard posted.

This whole process of cowl paint was not consistant, paint the sucker how you like it.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif, and it was gloss laquer, and it did not have to be rubbed to be glossy, however it did not have that wet look like modern urethane.
And after you done some of this is in order

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[firez]

Never used,seen or heard of gloss lacquer . Huh

[al8apex]

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Someone has his mind made up. Very critical I will say PTB on a LOS car I think not

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PTB is NOT correct on a VN car, that was already stated

[al8apex]

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Hey Jim,

Was that your Z11 in the pictures you posted? If so, do you have any close up pictures of the cowl before the restoration?

Thanks!
Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

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no, we did a lot of the cars in the late 70's & 80's

never thought to take pictures of the steps

but finding cars in bone yards it was ez to determine what the car was by the stripe color on the cowl of the VN cars (or lack of)

[Kurt S]

My 69 NOR Z has white overspray on the cowl. Not as much as Mike's pics above, but one side it full white, the other is lighter overspray.

[TonyHuntimerRaceHome]

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http://www.racehome.com/images/camaros/NOR03B-Z11COWL.jpg

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So from our collective eyes and brains...have we established that the image above shows the paint format has only been found on NOR cars so far? And the larger full-cowl paint format has been found on NOR and LOS cars?

Thanks,
Tony Huntimer
Camaro Performers Magazine

[al8apex]

"So from our collective eyes and brains...have we established that the image above shows the paint format has only been found on NOR cars so far?"

correct

" And the larger full-cowl paint format has been found on NOR and LOS cars?


I would restate that to say:

And the larger full-cowl paint format has been found on all LOS and some NOR cars.

[firez]

And also that many LOS cars had the area partly masked off and painted as I have stated mine and many others are.

[1967Z28]

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http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Z28cowl-1.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/c7fb_1.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/CowlPNT.jpg

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The full width stripe color on top of the cowl like the style above began with the '69 models. The earlier Zs did not have it done in this style. The Norwood cars generally had the masked off style like you see in that '69 pacecar example and the LOS cars typically had the style which can be seen in Jerry's book.

-Jon

[al8apex]

the 68 LOS cars had the full width cowl stripe color

I have not personally inspected a 67

[firstgenaddict]

The Early 10D 69 Z I am doing had a white cowl top with pretty heavy white overspray misted down the face of the firewall...
http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/41627/2607582230059464720S425x425Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/42502/2883265830059464720S425x425Q85.jpg

The 04D 10 10 Original paint 69Z (William's Car) has a white cowl top as well.
http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/41746/2120821060059464720S425x425Q85.jpg