Real Nickey?

[1969l78]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-NICK...d=p4506.c0.m245 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-NICKEY-CAMARO-Z-28-ZL1-JL8_W0QQitemZ150364123819QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Car s_Trucks?hash=item23026672ab&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 )

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Stefano]

That looks like a Z28 that I purchased from a member here and sold at Auction this past January.

The car had nothing to do with the original Nickey Chevrolet. We did however provide a certificate of authenticity.

[al8apex]

why would someone offer a ZL1 engine WITH that car? The guy is going to get the ad bounced too, he is offering the 2010 Camaro for sale as well

[1969l78]

I just saw it on e-bay, just curious if the ad was legit.He claims it is a real nickey with paper work. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[olredalert]

-----I dig Nickey Chevys but why would an absolutely stock Nickey bought 69 Camaro have any more value than any other dealerships 69 Camaro??? The value in a Nickey, it seems to me, has to do with the great Nickey modifications that were often but not always made to individual cars that were bought there.......Bill S

-----Oh,,,Did you guys note that the 69 has the very rare "leather seat" option??? And is it just me or does anyone else worry a bit about any car advertised from Alberta??? That one scammer from up there sure didnt help any other honest Albertians with their sales.

[m22mike]

ebay listing is gone... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[ANDY M]

The ad has been removed.

[Stefano]

Bill,
I'm surprised that you haven't experienced the demand or premium for a car sold as new from a special and/or significant dealership.

While I would agree that there may only be a handful of dealerships which carry a potential premium, in the market place, Nickey Chevrolet is certainly one of those dealerships. Now, just exactly what that premium is may be difficult to define, but it does exist. You can call it the X-factor or cool factor. I don't recall having ever seen a documented Nickey Sold Muscle Car bring less than the current market value?

Example;I know of a Gibb L72 Impala (not for sale) which I would be more than happy to pay a PREMIUM for, based on the dealership which sold that car new.

I guess I just have a different perspective.

As far as the Z28 which was on Ebay. If it was our old Z28, I can't be certain as the VIN was not complete, it had "Nothing to do with the original Nickey Chevrolet". That doesn't leave anything to interpretation does it?

So if it was our old car, Nickey Chicago, Inc. the current company did certified it as a true/real Z28, as it had no other docs.

[DandyDon]

I see no value in paying a premium for a dealership name if the car is nothing special.

Would you pay extra for a van from Yenko Chevrolet?

How about a Pinto from Tasca Ford?

What about a Monaco from MR. Norms's Grand Spaulding Dodge?

It makes no sense. I have a friend with a Baldwin-Motion Camaro bought from BM by an employee who added all the BM extras over the counter. The fact that Joel Rosen won't sign a letter attesting to its "pedigree" seriously lessens the value.The BM Protect-O-Plate is cool, but not a huge value adder.

In my opinion, no pot metal dealer tag adds anything unless the vehicle is specially modified.

Dandy Don http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[Mr Yenko]

I agree with Stefano on the Dealership name. You are asking about Pinto's and Van's. We are talking about more desirable cars. Like L-78's,L-72's and so on. Not your average run of the mill wagon. I guess it just sounds nicer to say you have a car from a KNOWN Hi-Performance dealership.Just my .02 cents
The "MOF" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[quick-bowtie]

Ive got to agree with Stefano.. For example take a nice restored 69' L78 Camaro for 60k from some small town dealer. Id gladly pay more and think you could add another 15k to the price if it was documented coming from Berger, Gibb, Yenko, Nickey, Scuncio, Dana, etc.. JMO

[1969l78]

Its back------ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-NICK...d=p4506.c0.m245 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-NICKEY-CAMARO-Z-28-ZL1-JL8_W0QQitemZ150364461924QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Car s_Trucks?hash=item23026b9b64&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 )

[al8apex]

as long as this "d-a" continues to offer the 2010 Camaro "on the side" ebay is going to keep on bouncing it

[al8apex]

yup
removed again
gotta wonder how bright this shining star is
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Jim Ferron]

[ QUOTE ]
I see no value in paying a premium for a dealership name if the car is nothing special.

Would you pay extra for a van from Yenko Chevrolet?

How about a Pinto from Tasca Ford?

What about a Monaco from MR. Norms's Grand Spaulding Dodge?

It makes no sense. I have a friend with a Baldwin-Motion Camaro bought from BM by an employee who added all the BM extras over the counter. The fact that Joel Rosen won't sign a letter attesting to its "pedigree" seriously lessens the value.The BM Protect-O-Plate is cool, but not a huge value adder.

In my opinion, no pot metal dealer tag adds anything unless the vehicle is specially modified.

Dandy Don http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Yep I would pay more for all those cars under those conditions...

BTW Dandy,
Dyno Don raced a Pinto you know... and I believe Bill Lawtons Pinto f/c was connected to Tasca as well! http://www.classicperformance.com/ebay_pics/dyno.jpg

[olredalert]

-----Actually, Stefano, Thinking it over, I guess I do see some cachet value to a true performance dealers car. I think I would disagree on the $15,000 difference on a $60,000 car, however. I guess it would come down to some form of bragging rights that some collectors would attach to a given vehicle. I may have to start using the reverse of this scenario to buy cars. Example; "Oh,,,This car didnt come from Scunzio Chevrolet??? Geez,,,I just cant pay that kind of money for a car from an ordinary dealer"!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif......Bill S

-----Oh,,,And Jim,,,I would pay a premium for that Pinto weather it came from Tasca or not. Of course, thats only cause the gas-tank is gone. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[1969l78]

It makes a litle diffrence. Gives you some bragging rights to say your muscle car came from one of those dealers. Just not sure it makes it worth $16,000 dollars more. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Salvatore]

I bet there are many small dealerships that sold as many or more HI-PO cars and didn't get the recognition. Unless they were modified and documented I don't think they should be worth really anymore. Its just about the hobby that makes it that way. Why would a floor model 1969 SS nova be worth more from Fred Gibb than it would be from Home Motors in California where my nova was bought from. Actually Home Motors in Santa Maria is still in business in the same location so???? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif JMO

[Jim Ferron]

I don't want this sound critical, because it's not meant that way....

Certainly the way the current Nickey markets their cars on e-bay, they are using the OLD Nickey cachet to help give it's 'used' cars that same...looking for a word, lets say 'flavor' as a car purchased from that era.

Again not implying it was an original Nickey car but still you can tell your Buds It came from Nickey and you could proudly display that dealers sticker and apparel.

I would do the same myself, no stone thrown. I haven't seen this e-bay sale, but it sounds like the new seller is trying his version of the same thing.

[Jeff H]

[ QUOTE ]
I bet there are many small dealerships that sold as many or more HI-PO cars and didn't get the recognition. Unless they were modified and documented I don't think they should be worth really anymore. Its just about the hobby that makes it that way. Why would a floor model 1969 SS nova be worth more from Fred Gibb than it would be from Home Motors in California where my nova was bought from. Actually Home Motors in Santa Maria is still in business in the same location so???? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif JMO

[/ QUOTE ]

I look at it the same way. If it's a name performance dealer car that was modified, then it adds value. But a stock Z28, L78, COPO, etc. doesn't make it any more special than a non perf dealer car(assuming paperwork is the same in comparison).

[MosportGreen66]

[ QUOTE ]
I bet there are many small dealerships that sold as many or more HI-PO cars and didn't get the recognition. Unless they were modified and documented I don't think they should be worth really anymore. Its just about the hobby that makes it that way. Why would a floor model 1969 SS nova be worth more from Fred Gibb than it would be from Home Motors in California where my nova was bought from. Actually Home Motors in Santa Maria is still in business in the same location so???? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif JMO

[/ QUOTE ]

Agreed Sam. My sentiments exactly!

[1969l78]

Its back for a third time. Has doc picture this time. Does not show its a nickey car anywhere. Some people are just dumb with there false statments.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-NICK...d=p4506.c0.m245 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-NICKEY-CAMARO-Z28-ZL1-JL8_W0QQitemZ150364497384QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Car s_Trucks?hash=item23026c25e8&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 )

[Rixls6]

The seller has posted on this site before.
I don't see anything wrong with the current ad. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
He's just showing that the black 69Z is documented by Stefano at Nickey Chicago.

[1969l78]

True but in his ad it sure seems like he is claiming it to be a nickey camaro. Either way I was just curious if it was a nickey or not.

[sixtiesmuscle]

In Sam's post he very wisely states "It's just about the hobby that makes it that way". Well said. Can't that be said about all relative values of collector cars? The appeal of RPO high performance cars that were sold by dealers like Yenko, Nickey, Dana, Tasca, Grand Spaulding, etc. is the history of those dealerships as pioneers and that they were the "movers & shakers" of the high performance era. Whether YOU would pay a premium or not, many people will in order to have a car that was as close to a converted car as they will ever get from one of those heralded dealers. Ask yourself if you would rather have a Z28 or L78 from Yenko vs. one from Joe Blow Chevy in Podunk, Iowa. Then the only issue is HOW MUCH more you would rather have it. Many people think that premium is as little as 5%, but, others feel that 25% is reasonable, depending on the other details of the car like docs & color, etc. I respect everybody's opinion on this, but, we have to understand that both sides have valid arguments, and, it's the buyer that determines the value of every aspect of a car.

[lzdick]

[ QUOTE ]
...Ask yourself if you would rather have a Z28 or L78 from Yenko vs. one from Joe Blow Chevy in Podunk, Iowa.

[/ QUOTE ]

Now lets not start picking on Joe...he's a good man. In fact, I have several cars purchased at his dealership with his personally signed 'Letter of Authenticity' to prove it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[MosportGreen66]

[ QUOTE ]
Whether YOU would pay a premium or not, many people will in order to have a car that was as close to a converted car as they will ever get from one of those heralded dealers. Ask yourself if you would rather have a Z28 or L78 from Yenko vs. one from Joe Blow Chevy in Podunk, Iowa.

[/ QUOTE ]

Mike, lets take this argument one step further. If a stock Z28 or L78 from a famed dealer is as close to a modified car as this person can get, what makes this stock hi-po car any different in physical form than the identical car from a regular dealer? Nothing. As Shakespear said "Whats in a name?" Unless the car was modified from one of the famed dealers, I see the cool and wow factor adding flair but value? Thats up to the market to decide.

-Dan

[sixtiesmuscle]

That's pretty much what I said. Some people [the "market] will decide what premium to place on the cool & wow factor that the legendary dealer history carries. Without cool & wow, none of this old stuff would have much value. I maintain that some dealers were "cooler" than others, therefore, those cars will have more demand from a certain group of buyers.

[Salvatore]

Pretty much like the value of stocks anymore....its all pretty much perception. To many people in the stock market and to many in the musclecar/collector car hobby. JMO http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[pSYCo]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
...Ask yourself if you would rather have a Z28 or L78 from Yenko vs. one from Joe Blow Chevy in Podunk, Iowa.

[/ QUOTE ]

Now lets not start picking on Joe...he's a good man. In fact, I have several cars purchased at his dealership with his personally signed 'Letter of Authenticity' to prove it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[/ QUOTE ]....i thought JOE was a PLUMBER !

[lzdick]

That's his side job. Car sales are down.

[TwoBryans]

[ QUOTE ]
True but in his ad it sure seems like he is claiming it to be a nickey camaro. Either way I was just curious if it was a nickey or not.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm kinda scratching my head too. The document states that it is a "Certificate Of Authenticity". What exactly is it certifying as authentic? Just what is on the trim tag?

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo167/hummers1/Certificate%20Of%20Authenticity/B-5f0wWkKGrHgoOKjoEjlLmRkbZBKfHmyw0.jpg

Also pretty interesting that the auction is including "I HAVE A REAL YENKO ZL1 REBUILT WITH MOSTLY ALL NOS GM PARTS THAT GOES WITH THE DEAL."

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]


Again not implying it was an original Nickey car but still you can tell your Buds It came from Nickey

[/ QUOTE ]

my wife's 96 LT4 Corvette came from Buds in OH http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Pulnaway]

quote from Stephano

That looks like a Z28 that I purchased from a member here and sold at Auction this past January.

The car had nothing to do with the original Nickey Chevrolet. We did however provide a certificate of authenticity.

Stephano sold the car to him and he has the certificate stating the car is a real deal z28 from Stephano.

[Johnny Horsepower]

everybody has opinions, but I am suprised by some of these.
A plain DESIREABLE car from a famed dealer, may not be worth the premium of their "known for cars", but I think it would certainly carrie a premium. The market will always decied that, so opinions mean zippo, it is only the market's opinion that matters.

I know I would happily pay a premium for a Mr Norms TA over any other........

my $.02

[1969z280]

Hey Johnny, I'm with you. A couple of years ago a 1969 Burgandy Z/28 with a Nickey Protecto-plate sold at Mecum for well over $100K. I thought it was a great car but, the stripes on the deck lid were painted crooked yet it still brought big money because of the Nickey affiliation. JMO, Ed

[Jim Ferron]

[ QUOTE ]
quote from Stephano

That looks like a Z28 that I purchased from a member here and sold at Auction this past January.

The car had nothing to do with the original Nickey Chevrolet. We did however provide a certificate of authenticity.

Stephano sold the car to him and he has the certificate stating the car is a real deal z28 from Stephano.

[/ QUOTE ]This is the kinda statement that is sooooo misleading....'real deal from stephano'

What the hell does THAT mean? I've talked to the seller via e-mail/ He CLEARLY states that in NO WAY is he implying the car ORIGINALLY was a NICKEY car in 1969, He states the car was sold by Nickey recently and Nickey certifies. that it is an ORIGINAL Z-28, not a clone.

I don't see where this guy has misrepresented this car in any way. He did nothing other than use Nickeys name as a reference that a respected , trusted musclecar name had once owned and inspected this car. In My opinion, perhaps some of the posters in this thread should have just asked the seller the same questions I did, rather than guess out loud, perhaps at the sellers expense.

[1969l78]

Maybe I will sell my nova to Nickey, and then buy it back, then I would have a Nickey nova. Sweet http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[427.060]

[ QUOTE ]
What the hell does THAT mean? I've talked to the seller via e-mail/ He CLEARLY states that in NO WAY is he implying the car ORIGINALLY was a NICKEY car in 1969, He states the car was sold by Nickey recently and Nickey certifies. that it is an ORIGINAL Z-28, not a clone.

I don't see where this guy has misrepresented this car in any way. He did nothing other than use Nickeys name as a reference that a respected , trusted musclecar name had once owned and inspected this car. In My opinion, perhaps some of the posters in this thread should have just asked the seller the same questions I did, rather than guess out loud, perhaps at the sellers expense.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry Jim but I don't agree. The title and desrciption both say 1969 Nickey Camaro. The description mentions documentation but never says that it is only documented as a real Z-28. The seller is being very vague. If it were as plain as you seem to think it is this discussing would have never been posted here.
I'm not knocking Stephano but I think he should reword the documents in the future to make it a little more clear. JMO
James

[Jim Ferron]

Again..I can only tell you what he told me in response to my e-mail questions...certainly buying a car in this price range would garner the some very basic questioning for clarification wouldn't it? Guy was straight with me right from the beginning..I have no dog in the race so.....

[1969l78]

This time he changed his description.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-NICK...d=p4506.c0.m245 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-NICKEY-CAMARO-Z28-ZL1-JL8_W0QQitemZ150369596085QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Car s_Trucks?hash=item2302b9f2b5&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 )

[Johnny Horsepower]

[ QUOTE ]
This time he changed his description.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-NICK...d=p4506.c0.m245 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-NICKEY-CAMARO-Z28-ZL1-JL8_W0QQitemZ150369596085QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Car s_Trucks?hash=item2302b9f2b5&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 )

[/ QUOTE ]

he still calls it a "Nickey Camaro" in the second title line. Deceptive it the only word that comes to mind.
It should never be worded Nickey Camaro. Camaro, certified by Nickey Chicago would be fine.

[Charley Lillard]

"ONE OF TWO DOCUMENTED REAL BLACK Z28 CAMAROS" Huh ?

[kenwoodj7j]

The one of two documented !! Came from stefano and he told me that he knew where the other one was as well !!

[Stefano]

David,
You seem like a nice guy and I'm certain that you have no intent to misrepresent anything or defraud anyone. However; the way you have written your description and made various statements may lead people to think otherwise.

I have never told anyone that we have documented only two Black Z28s. I have owned a few Black '69 Z28s and I still have a code 10 10, M22 4.10 project car. Black is a very rare and desirable color, IMO, but they are out there.

I did however say, that I have only documented/seen/verified only one other real 10 10 code Z28 with a White Standard interior, while I have seen a bunch with fake trim tags.

[10/10_RS/Z28]

What he said.

[kenwoodj7j]

Hi All !! I just talked to stefano on the phone !! He said the car is one of two documented black with white interior cars . I am sorry if i mislead anyone , But I did not no the interior was in the formula.

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
.....calls it a "Nickey Camaro" in the second title line.....

[/ QUOTE ]

It also says "ZL1 JL8"; but that's just part of the PeeBait game. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Kenwood...There are many more than two black with white interior Z28's. He probably means he has only personally certified two.

[Stefano]

"I did however say, that I have only documented/seen/verified only one other real 10 10 code Z28 with a White Standard interior, while I have seen a bunch with fake trim tags."

What he said too.

[Steve Shauger]

Is this interior considered white http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Black RS/Z (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/90865/an/0/page/14#90865)