69 Camaro L78 Z11 [Archive] - The Supercar Registry

JAD

08-07-2009, 09:51 PM

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Curious if anyone knows this car coming up in Monterey at Russo Steele.Add says original drivetrain.Thanks

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Speaking of Z11 L78's, any status updates on your beauty...

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Steve Shauger

08-08-2009, 12:05 AM

Fantastic! That car is very deserving of the type of restoration that Frank and the SCW team performs.

TXSS

08-08-2009, 07:37 AM

The copy on the Russo Steel web site states "Believed to be one of seven Z11 L78 Convertibles left in existence" Is that statement correct? Only seven Z11 L78 Pace Cars left?

William

08-08-2009, 10:51 PM

"Believed to be" is puffery.

No one knows how many were built, no one knows how many remain. From my 35 years of Camaro travels I know of two original owner 69s; an SS 396 and a Z11. Neither owner looks at any of the sites, belongs to a club or shows their car. Few others know of these cars. I'm sure there are many more unknown cars like these.

DarrenX33

08-08-2009, 10:59 PM

You IMHO the L78 Z11 might be the ultimate RPO Camaro that was available in 69. Coolest option, RS. Coolest colors, white with HO stripes and orange houndstooth. Coolest engine, L78! All that in a convertible. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

JAD

08-09-2009, 07:19 AM

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You IMHO the L78 Z11 might be the ultimate RPO Camaro that was available in 69. Coolest option, RS. Coolest colors, white with HO stripes and orange houndstooth. Coolest engine, L78! All that in a convertible. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

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iluv69s

08-09-2009, 03:46 PM

Although the ZL-1 and COPO cars are cool, I think the best option available in the Camaro has to be the droptop. And the Z11 Option with the L78 4-spd has got to be the best all around package ever available in a Camaro as far as the general public goes. This is my unbiased opinion, and has nothing to do with the fact that I own one"of the seven"(haha) L-78 Z-11's. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

I realize we dont know how many were made, but how how many are actually known at this point?
And how many have the M-22 like mine? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

TXSS

08-09-2009, 04:48 PM

Anyone care to speculate on the number of L78 Z11's originally produced. I've head 30-40 but that may be as erroneous as the "1 of 7" statement.

iluv69s

08-09-2009, 04:59 PM

I believe it was on the Camaro site that I saw a breakdown that seemed to put the number much higher....or was it here? anyone remember that thread?

iluv69s

08-09-2009, 05:03 PM

Let's face it, with this car that's for sale and Joe's car and my car, we account for almost half of the known L-78/ Z-11's???
I doubt it....There are probably a few more owned by members right here also.....and I'm sure others here know of other cars out there....

DarrenX33

08-09-2009, 06:28 PM

There is one I know of out here so make it 4.

JAD

08-09-2009, 08:08 PM

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There is one I know of out here so make it 4.

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And how many of these 4 have original motors????

iluv69s

08-09-2009, 09:40 PM

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There is one I know of out here so make it 4.

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And how many of these 4 have original motors????

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Not mine....but the original block is supposedly around somewhere. Still hoping for a needle in a haystack.
In the meantime, I hope to build the car with a correct L-89 motor. My car is neat because it has almost no options other than the Z11 and L-78 and M-22. no cosole or guages and a manual top. But they did opt for the Power Steering though. And apparently/possibly was raced because the discs were changed for drums at some point. A common racing trick back in the day.

And your car Joe?? Original motor?
Do tell please... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

350JL8

08-09-2009, 09:59 PM

iluv69s, I emailed you a few months back on your car. I'm still looking for your block but haven't had any new leads. I heard the drum brakes on your car came from a 68 Camaro owned by the same individual. The 68 was being driven at the time and got the disc upgrade.

JAD

08-09-2009, 11:16 PM

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There is one I know of out here so make it 4.

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And how many of these 4 have original motors????

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Not mine....but the original block is supposedly around somewhere. Still hoping for a needle in a haystack.
In the meantime, I hope to build the car with a correct L-89 motor. My car is neat because it has almost no options other than the Z11 and L-78 and M-22. no cosole or guages and a manual top. But they did opt for the Power Steering though. And apparently/possibly was raced because the discs were changed for drums at some point. A common racing trick back in the day.

And your car Joe?? Original motor?
Do tell please... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Good luck on your mission to find your original block.Mine has the complete original drivetrain and scored Legend in the Vintage class at the 2008 Camaro Nationals.Due to excessive wear and tear on the paint and interior I elected to do a full resto on it.

Mr70

08-10-2009, 06:23 AM

Joe
Was your Z-11 L-78 once owned by John P.,then Steve S.before him?

JAD

08-10-2009, 06:40 AM

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Joe
Was your Z-11 L-78 once owned by John P.,then Steve S.before him?

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DarrenX33

08-10-2009, 07:06 AM

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Joe
Was your Z-11 L-78 once owned by John P.,then Steve S.before him?

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And a hell of a great driving car as well. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

rpoz11

08-10-2009, 09:50 AM

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"Believed to be" is puffery.

No one knows how many were built, no one knows how many remain. From my 35 years of Camaro travels I know of two original owner 69s; an SS 396 and a Z11. Neither owner looks at any of the sites, belongs to a club or shows their car. Few others know of these cars. I'm sure there are many more unknown cars like these.

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As I have seen these over the years, Stated numbers and Inflated numbers exist by those who CLAIM to be in the know based upon spread sheet data created by said production numbers.

Anyone can run a created data program and try to come up with some sort of generated results to promote what is THOUGHT to be actual or predicted run numbers; all based on hypothetical guessing.

The TRUE actual manufactured L78 pacecars that GM made can only be officially documented by GM thru THEIR historical DATA.

Anything else is ONLY a pure guess.

Some People try to state that VN made a few hundred 396 PaceCars.

I would LOVE to see over 30 1969 VN 396 numbered PaceCars assembled at a show at one time!

It will never happen!!!!!!!!!!

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66 L78 ragtop

08-10-2009, 10:03 AM

DarrenX33

08-10-2009, 05:04 PM

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You IMHO the L78 Z11 might be the ultimate RPO Camaro that was available in 69. Coolest option, RS. Coolest colors, white with HO stripes and orange houndstooth. Coolest engine, L78! All that in a convertible. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

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Agree, but lets not forget about the 69 L89 Z11
There out there!

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True.

TXSS

08-10-2009, 05:34 PM

Obviously there is no etch in stone number out there and not even a consensus for the number of L78 Pace Cars built. But when you consider the number of 69 Yenko Camaros built, around 200+- and what most were purchased for, to drive hard or race and then consider the number you still see in collections and on the market. Compare that number to the number of L78 Pace Cars you see in collections and on the market and factor in that most were probably not purchased as cars to be driven hard and raced so a larger percentage may have survived I'd say the logical conclusion would be that the number is very very low. Much lower than the number of 69 Yenko Camaros built. I'm all ways looking for L78 Pace Cars for sale and they seam to be far and few in comparison to the number of Yenkos I see. JMO.

COPO

08-10-2009, 07:49 PM

I have one in my warehouse, so make that 5.

JAD

08-10-2009, 08:33 PM

I looked for 10 years for a L78 Z11 with original motor when my good friend Chris P. found this one for me.I could not even find a documented L78 Z11 without original motor.

COPO_Anders

08-10-2009, 08:49 PM

Found this in Chevrolet High Performance July 1988.
C.K.Spurlock was the owner.

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq85/COPO_Anders/CKSpurlocksZ11.jpg

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq85/COPO_Anders/CKSpurlocksZ11001.jpg

iluv69s

08-10-2009, 09:29 PM

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iluv69s, I emailed you a few months back on your car. I'm still looking for your block but haven't had any new leads. I heard the drum brakes on your car came from a 68 Camaro owned by the same individual. The 68 was being driven at the time and got the disc upgrade.

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So do you have any names that I do not have? I have spoken to and have a letter from the prior owner that pulles the original motor in 1978 to install a 350 in order to save gas. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

So are there actual documented L-89 Indy's out there?? That would defineitely be cooler than an L-78 car!!!

And how about M-22 Indy's? Any idea how many of them? Joe, is your car a 4-speed? Auto?

Xplantdad

08-10-2009, 09:52 PM

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Found this in Chevrolet High Performance July 1988.
C.K.Spurlock was the owner.

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq85/COPO_Anders/CKSpurlocksZ11.jpg

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq85/COPO_Anders/CKSpurlocksZ11001.jpg

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This car is now owned by Jacquie (Zee28) on this site...

See HERE!!! (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=rides&Number=336465&Searc hpage=6&Main=336293&Words=Zee28&topic=&Search=true #Post336465)

COPO_Anders

08-10-2009, 10:02 PM

Thanks Bruce ! When reading the article I got the impression that it was a L78 car.

PeteLeathersac

08-10-2009, 10:22 PM

Cool topic!.

So where'd the 'less than 100 Z11 L78's" production # in the Spurlock article originate from?.

While we're at it, what's the real story on L78 Z10 coupes?.
Does anyone know if any were actually built and/or if Vin 124379N633025 advertised online is a genuine L78 Z10 car?.
It kinda' reads like it's a documented Z10 car but w/ the L78 added?.

http://www.autotraderclassics.com/find/v...sationId=198636 (http://www.autotraderclassics.com/find/vehicle/vehicleDetail.xhtml;jsessionid=1ECCDC4440AE8309189 E11134F5451DD?adId=71363&conversationId=198636)

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~ Pete

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I like real cars best...the REAL real ones!

Shevelle

08-18-2009, 06:49 AM

Anders...That's my car! I have a couple of magazines that it was featured in when Spurlock owned it but have never seen that article/photo. Would you consider emailing me the complete article??

wagonman

08-18-2009, 08:44 AM

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iluv69s, .

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So are there actual documented L-89 Indy's out there?? That would defineitely be cooler than an L-78 car!!!

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Agree, but lets not forget about the 69 L89 Z11
There out there!

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We know of at least 2!

2 L89 Z11's were built for the race in 69.

Both had cast iron heads to improve reliability to maintain pace speeds of 130 mph.

Mario Andretti was givin a Z11 after he won the race.I think the whereabouts of this particular car in unknown.

66 L78 ragtop

08-18-2009, 10:25 AM

I know of two also...
One is an unrestored survivor the other is a fully restored car.

The survivor is a Z11 L89 with JL8 set up...same owner since 1982.

Andretti's car left the country sometime in the 80s. To my knowledge, nobody has heard of or seen the car since.

TimG

08-18-2009, 06:17 PM

It can't get much better than a '69 Pace Car with L89 and JL8. That would pretty much be close to the ultimate Camaro convertible.
I still miss my Pace Car and would love another.

Kurt S

08-19-2009, 08:04 AM

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While we're at it, what's the real story on L78 Z10 coupes?.
Does anyone know if any were actually built and/or if Vin 124379N633025 advertised online is a genuine L78 Z10 car?.
It kinda' reads like it's a documented Z10 car but w/ the L78 added?.
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Interestingly, Spurlock is involved with that Z10. I've seen the docs on it and I don't think it was originally a L78. Maybe a L35...

There are some real L78 Z10's out there. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ngtflyr

08-19-2009, 06:14 PM

What's a Z-10 L-78 worth? I know where one is and can be bought but have no clue on it's value.

wagonman

08-20-2009, 08:32 AM

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What's a Z-10 L-78 worth? I know where one is and can be bought but have no clue on it's value.

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It's worth what the buyer will pay!

$325,000?

http://www.autotraderclassics.com/find/v...rsationId=11046 (http://www.autotraderclassics.com/find/vehicle/vehicleDetail.xhtml?adId=71363&conversationId=1104 6)

mockingbird812

08-20-2009, 08:40 AM

Cool! And you get the caution sticker, non-smog exh man. option, rare inverted zl2 seal + a serrated fan belt all for $325K http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Kurt S

08-20-2009, 12:54 PM

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What's a Z-10 L-78 worth? I know where one is and can be bought but have no clue on it's value.

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A real one? I'd have it inspected first. Do you have any of the #'s from it?
$325K is a bit high, but it would pull some $$ I think.

Charley Lillard

08-20-2009, 05:40 PM

I would value it at or below a non Z10 L78. There are better color L78's that I would rather have.

442w30

08-21-2009, 07:00 AM

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So where'd the 'less than 100 Z11 L78's" production # in the Spurlock article originate from?

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Being a numbers geek who was born a little too late, the next best thing for me was to read magazines in the 1980s. I remember that article very well, and I can tell you that there was a lot of speculation on production figures when there was never anything concrete. You still see these things today - take the "1 of 18" LS6 ragtop claim. Where did it originate? I don't know if anyone knows for sure - never been a Chevy guy, so it's certainly beyond my paradigm - but you still see the claim from over 20 years ago.

In other words, no one back then had a clue how many of these Z11 L78 cars were built because, for one thing, no one knows how many L78 ragtops were built. "100" is a perfectly round number, and chances are there is another car out there receiving the same claims. If you are able to see that the claims are based on 20 year-old speculation, you can probably conclude it's all BS. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Steve Shauger

08-22-2009, 06:46 AM

Since Chevrolet only kept records of individual rpo's produced and not combinations, we can only use interpolation, extrapolation or WAG's or any combination there of.

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So where'd the 'less than 100 Z11 L78's" production # in the Spurlock article originate from?

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Being a numbers geek who was born a little too late, the next best thing for me was to read magazines in the 1980s. I remember that article very well, and I can tell you that there was a lot of speculation on production figures when there was never anything concrete. You still see these things today - take the "1 of 18" LS6 ragtop claim. Where did it originate? I don't know if anyone knows for sure - never been a Chevy guy, so it's certainly beyond my paradigm - but you still see the claim from over 20 years ago.

In other words, no one back then had a clue how many of these Z11 L78 cars were built because, for one thing, no one knows how many L78 ragtops were built. "100" is a perfectly round number, and chances are there is another car out there receiving the same claims. If you are able to see that the claims are based on 20 year-old speculation, you can probably conclude it's all BS. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

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Steve Drueck

08-22-2009, 06:55 AM

I own the 4 spd Hult Chevrolet L78 Pace Car. I have seen about 6 or 7 others. I would guess maybe about 20 or so existed , but that is just a guess. A few that are considered "real" out there, could also be fakes.

Lynn

08-22-2009, 07:13 PM

Well, "the only L78 Z10 known to be in existence today" is down to $175,000.

http://www.classiccarmarketing.net/1969CamaroPace.htm

Wonder if someone let them know the docs are suspect and that the car may have started life as an L35.

Lynn