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I am proud to announce that the Yenko Sportscar Club, along with the Super Car Workshop/Arone and Nickey-Chicago, have joined forces to produce 5th generation Camaros, honoring the legacy of Don Yenko and Yenko Chevrolet. They will be known as Yenko/SC Camaros, with the first ones based on the 2010 Camaro.
Though there are a few details yet to be worked out, there is a pilot car at the shop now being converted, with a Hugger Orange Yenko/SC 427 Camaro up next, scheduled to be painted by the SCW.
Hopefully pictures of the pilot car will be available soon.
Look for announcements on this site as more details become available.
PeteLeathersac
08-26-2009, 12:08 AM
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Are there production quantities planned or will it be sell to meet demand?.
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Sounds like an excellent project Tom!
enio45
08-26-2009, 08:57 AM
This should be very interesting...can't wait to see the pilot car pics.
SOM2001SS
08-26-2009, 03:51 PM
Very cool! Can't wait to see it! It's a shame that most on this board seem to hate the new body style. I love it, but can't even afford a base 2010 SS at this time.
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Are there production quantities planned or will it be sell to meet demand?.
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We gave some thought to limiting the number built, but we wanted to do this project a little different, more in tune with what Don would have done. Thus we are not limiting the number of units built.
Don was about numbers, and building what the customer wanted. As was the case the first time around, when customers would set down with Don and tell him what they wanted, we want customers to do the same, from mild to wild. Want a 2010 Camaro to match a your Teal Island Blue ’68 Yenko, or one in Royal Plum, the guys at the SCW can do it. Want a 2010 Yenko/SC Turbo Z, no problem. How about a Yellow 2010 Yenko/SC 427 auto to match your ’69, can do. Hum...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
Kim_Howie
08-26-2009, 06:46 PM
Sounds like a he--va car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
In the past the Yenko site has be-grudged Jim Barber for creating the 1969 Yenko Continuation Cars and yet this 2010 Yenko Camaro project is welcomed. Some of the comments from previous threads have been, “It’s only a Yenko if built by Don Yenko or at Yenko Chevrolet" So why is this project any different? Is this project being backed by GM? Has the Yenko name been licensed by the builders? Do you have permission to use the Yenko name? I also know that in the past the argument has been that the 1969 Yenko Continuation Cars body parts were stamped in Taiwan and this somehow was frowned upon. Does that mean that if Jim Barber went out and found a GM 1969 Camaro body and called it a Yenko that now the 1969 Yenko Continuation Car would receive the same warm response as the new 2010 Yenko? By the way Jim Barber did have permission to use the Yenko name. It seems to me it’s only a good idea to use the Yenko name if the idea stems from this site or if you are high ranking member of this site. Just my opinion!
ORIGLS6
08-26-2009, 07:54 PM
What's old is New Again! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
It's all about reviving our past. Happier times when things were less complicated.
Best Wishes to ALL those involved! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
bashton
08-26-2009, 09:32 PM
This is great news.
First the Nickey Stage 1, Stage 2 and Stage 3 cars, then the Gibb specials and now, a Yenko. Can it get any better?
Congrats to all of the folks involved in making this happen, it couldn't be a better or more dedicated group, who fully understand the impact that Don Yenko made on our hobby.
Bashton
MCACN Managing Member
You are correct, in the past some members of this site have not been receptive of the idea of any more Yenko cars being built, whether clones, tribute, continuations, whatever, and I for one certainly respect their opinions, and as you have done, are welcome to comment on this project, or any other such project.
Just as I did with the 2010s, Jim was free to outline his plans for the ’69 Yenko continuation series cars on this site, for all to see and comment on, good or bad.
The foundation of this site has always been to be as open as possbile, and while maybe not agreeing with each other; always respect each other’s opinions.
Because we have already received requests for matching cars/numbers, current owners of the Yenko cars will have first option and priority to order one of the numbered cars which pertain and/or commemorate one which had actually been built prior. Of course, as always, club members will receive top priority.
Terry24
08-27-2009, 06:57 AM
So Tom, what you are saying is you can have one built ANY way you like it?? Not that I can afford one by any means, but dreams are still free right, how about a 2 tone?
Xplantdad
08-27-2009, 07:28 AM
Are you going to have one on display at SEMA this year?
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So Tom, what you are saying is you can have one built ANY way you like it?? Not that I can afford one by any means, but dreams are still free right, how about a 2 tone?
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Yes..I would imagine the guys at the SCW could do that. In fact, I would not be surprised to see something with a vinyl roof.
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Are you going to have one on display at SEMA this year?
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Bruce..that is something we would love to do, and have discussed, but we will need to work out a few details first. We think we can get a car completed (including 427 engine) by then, but then getting it there and back, and the biggee..booth space.
Tom, thanks for the response to my post. Unfortunately I feel the questions that I asked are not being answered. Is GM backing this project? If they are that is great news, however the questions still stands: Does GM have permission to use the Yenko name? But if GM is not backing your project and in the future GM decides to licensed the name Yenko and then build a Yenko Camaro......which Yenko would be considered "real", yours or GM's?
Steve Shauger
08-27-2009, 06:17 PM
I believe GM is not involved in converting these cars in any way. Yenko originally used the COPO process for 68, 69 and 70, and it is my understanding that is not the case with the 2010's. GM isn't even building the Z28, I doubt they would have any interest in a Yenko labeled car(they didn't originally).
Classic industries sells the Yenko stripe kit (they own the license)and you can install it on a Yugo if you want. I believe you may be over thinking this....
Kim_Howie
08-27-2009, 06:18 PM
GM never backed Fred Gibb back in 1968. The Gibb Novas didn't have crap for warrenty. I fail to understand what is your question?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Yenko wasn't backed by GM with the 67 & 68 transplants. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
Steve Shauger
08-27-2009, 06:33 PM
Fred & Don requested items that were not a RPO for the car to be installed, and GM agreed and used the COPO process to get it done.
One slight correction, most 68 Yenko's had the 9737 COPO installed(Sports car conversion). Oh and lets not forget the Corvair Stingers...
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GM never backed Fred Gibb back in 1968. The Gibb Novas didn't have crap for warrenty. I fail to understand what is your question?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Yenko wasn't backed by GM with the 67 & 68 transplants. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
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1970Bluel78
08-27-2009, 07:18 PM
Don is passed, Cannonsburg is no longer. Let Yenko have the respect he deserves and call it something else. These are NOT Yenko Camaros and never will be. I read that Denoyer ( sp ? ) Chevy is making there own Hi Po versions . I respect that idea, but not Yenko's...Just my 2 cents
Xplantdad
08-27-2009, 07:22 PM
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Are you going to have one on display at SEMA this year?
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Bruce..that is something we would love to do, and have discussed, but we will need to work out a few details first. We think we can get a car completed (including 427 engine) by then, but then getting it there and back, and the biggee..booth space.
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Tom, here's the link. I know that they still have space available for vendors...as we inquired not too long ago.
I will be at SEMA for the duration this year...as they offer some great classes for marketing folks...both at the show and online before the show!
Exhibitor info at SEMA-Click HERE! (https://www.semashow.com/esra2009/ESRA2009.aspx?ExhibitorID=)
I understand that GM didnt build the Yenko's, But Im sure they worked close with Don Yenko. However, In previous threads, this site stressed the fact that if Don Yenko did not build the car or if it wasnt built at Yenko Chevrolet that it was not a true Yenko and could not be called a Yenko. So, my question again is, how is it now that you can build a 2010 Yenko Camaro and call it that.
Classic Automotive
08-27-2009, 07:50 PM
paceme....inregards to your comment concerning Classic sells the stripe kit and you can put it on a Hugo, you are correct. However you cannot under the trademark stripe the car for business/commercial sale or transaction. Selling a stripe verses sell "cars" is entirly different. Someone needs to check there facts further. I have been through this. I would check this before you get a SEMA booth, there is a 50% non refundable deposit. Everyone is going to hate me for making this statement......I have also seen cars ceased at the conclusion of the show for various infactions. It is done very quitely, but it is done. Freindly advice to those involved have your ducks in a row before you attempt anything. Hey, but what do I know, everytime I am on this site I am wrong about something! As others say...just my 2 cents.
427bigblockvette
08-27-2009, 07:57 PM
Tom,
This sounds like a great project. I feel confident it will be extremely successful based on the folks backing this program up. Nothing like living in the USA with private enterprise. Where do I sign up???
J-man http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Steve Shauger
08-27-2009, 07:58 PM
My input was never intended to answer that specific question, I was just correcting/clarifying your other statements.
I'm not sure why you're stuck on this issue or why you feel it is such a critical issue. Why don't you start by answering that question...
The new proposed cars are a completely new platform that can't be mistaken for the originals and time will tell if they can stand on their own.
As Tom stated everyone here is entitled to their opinion. This site is geared towards preservation and recognition of original cars which is why the cloning of original Yenko's was not embraced by our members.
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I understand that GM didnt build the Yenko's, But Im sure they worked close with Don Yenko. However, In previous threads, this site stressed the fact that if Don Yenko did not build the car or if it wasnt built at Yenko Chevrolet that it was not a true Yenko and could not be called a Yenko. So, my question again is, how is it now that you can build a 2010 Yenko Camaro and call it that.
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I appreciate the clarification. I believe I have stated why I think it’s critical; again, based on the simple fact that Don Yenko is dead and will not be building, endorsing, or participating in the project does not make it a Yenko. This is base on previous post from this web site. Now, if Tom or anyone else gets permission from the person who owns the Yenko name, then and only then in my opinion can it legally be called a Yenko. If the new buzz word is "new platform," or if you use continuation, clone, tribute, or whatever pops into your head the fact still remains base on early discussions on this site the car will never be a Yenko morally, but it could be a Yenko legally. Just my opinion.
Born30YrsLate
08-27-2009, 08:50 PM
Have Don's daughter/grandson build/put stripes on...then it's a Yenko...
1970Bluel78
08-27-2009, 10:57 PM
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I appreciate the clarification. I believe I have stated why I think it’s critical; again, based on the simple fact that Don Yenko is dead and will not be building, endorsing, or participating in the project does not make it a Yenko. This is base on previous post from this web site. Now, if Tom or anyone else gets permission from the person who owns the Yenko name, then and only then in my opinion can it legally be called a Yenko. If the new buzz word is "new platform," or if you use continuation, clone, tribute, or whatever pops into your head the fact still remains base on early discussions on this site the car will never be a Yenko morally, but it could be a Yenko legally. Just my opinion.
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I agree AMC but I'thinking a lot of guys here really don't care so long as they have a new Camaro with " Yenko " on it somewhere. They then can some how convince themselves that it's a real " Yenko " It's a shame to even consider doing this... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Kim_Howie
08-27-2009, 11:13 PM
This car is built by GM not China. I would consider it more of a Yenko than the China 69 body. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
markjohnson
08-28-2009, 12:01 AM
It's really surprising to me the number of people that are really against this. I would have never expected. It's kinda even made me re-think the whole idea. Maybe the whole project should be re-considered and the Yenko legacy left alone for the legend that it already it is. I'd hate to spend a lot of money for one of these cars and see people shaking their heads as they walk past it at the first car show I take it too.
Most things are built oversea's. However, thats whole different debate on why! Im not sure we want to open up that line of conversation Kim Howie.
Mark, Im not against it. If its going to happen, it just has to be done legally and with written permission from the person who owns the name Yenko. From there let the industry and the free market decide whether its right or wrong!
DarrenX33
08-28-2009, 12:31 AM
I'm not against the idea at all but I think a "SCW Camaro" would be cool. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Why not. Start a new legacy!
Kim_Howie
08-28-2009, 12:41 AM
The nice thing about this country YOU have right to buy what & where you want! I also have the RIGHT to voice what I feel period!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
Salvatore
08-28-2009, 12:51 AM
Yenko, Nickey, Dana, Gibb, Mr. Norms etc. is long gone. Let these new cars live on their own identity. If Berger wants to do a car fine they still have a dealership. Like Darren says....call it Camaro by: "The SCW" or "T.C. Enterprises" or "Bimbi Performance" of Chicago. Let the new cars with the new mods stand on their own. If not, it just seems to be a knock-off name of something 40 years old. Why would a 2010 camaro from a Chicago Chevy dealer or any other dealer have any clout if it says Yenko or any other long gone dealers name on it? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Maybe a better name for one of these new go fast camaros would be "The Papa Johns Special." http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif Can you imagine how fast your pizza would get there if delivered in one of these new rockets? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
Steve Shauger
08-28-2009, 12:53 AM
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Mark, Im not against it. If its going to happen, it just has to be done legally and with written permission from the person who owns the name Yenko. From there let the industry and the free market decide whether its right or wrong!
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So your only interest is the legal use of the name! You're a true hobbyist. What happened to your concern about the acceptance of the continuation series by this sites members? Why is the use of the name any of your concern...
PeteLeathersac
08-28-2009, 12:59 AM
Sal,
Are you concerned w/ the announcement of the SYC Yenko edition of the new Camaros because your company was perhaps hoping to offer a version yourself?.
Also can I ask how your turn-key '69 Camaro repop body cars are titled?.
http://americanmusclecar.com/
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1969l78
08-28-2009, 01:07 AM
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Yenko, Nickey, Dana, Gibb, Mr. Norms etc. is long gone. Let these new cars live on their own identity. If Berger wants to do a car fine they still have a dealership. Like Darren says....call it Camaro by: "The SCW" or "T.C. Enterprises" or "Bimbi Performance" of Chicago. Let the new cars with the new mods stand on their own. If not, it just seems to be a knock-off name of something 40 years old. Why would a 2010 camaro from a Chicago Chevy dealer or any other dealer have any clout if it says Yenko or any other long gone dealers name on it? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
I agree with you Sam. Those cars should not be reproduced using those legendary names. Just my .02
69 Post Sedan
08-28-2009, 01:12 AM
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Pete, I am not concern at all with competition. But since you ask, I have no intentions at this time to build a 2010 Yenko Camaro. We have no version on the drawing table at this time. However, if the opportunity arose I would consider it, but only if I had reached some type of licensing aggrement from whoever owns the rights to the name Yenko. As I stated earlier if Tom obtains an approval to use the name Yenko then at least it is legal. Then let the industry and the market decide if it’s right or wrong.
As far as the re-pop bodies as you call them, at the time I was building an inventory for Dynacorn. Dynacorn later on decided to have all bodies assembled in Taiwan and would now sell me the components for American Muscle Cars to brand name the bodies as U.S. built by American Muscle Cars. We were licensed by GM's Licensing division which including several different testing to qualify. Dynacorn then refused to sell us the components and we never got chance to build a turn key 1969 Camaro. But, what I would tell a prospectus customer is to check the laws of the state that they would be titling the vehicle in. Thanks for asking.
Stefano
08-28-2009, 02:00 AM
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Yenko, Nickey, Dana, Gibb, Mr. Norms etc. is long gone. Let these new cars live on their own identity. If Berger wants to do a car fine they still have a dealership. Like Darren says....call it Camaro by: "The SCW" or "T.C. Enterprises" or "Bimbi Performance" of Chicago. Let the new cars with the new mods stand on their own. If not, it just seems to be a knock-off name of something 40 years old. Why would a 2010 camaro from a Chicago Chevy dealer or any other dealer have any clout if it says Yenko or any other long gone dealers name on it? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
I agree with you Sam. Those cars should not be reproduced using those legendary names. Just my .02
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This is just one of the great things about our country, if you don't like the idea or product offered, then you don't have to support it with your $$$$votes$$$$.
I have seen Iconic Brands brought back to life in Motorsports, some I even supported with my hard earned dollars and some I didn't.
MV Agusta
Triumph
Scarab
Indian
Just to name a few.
None of this will change what was done back in the day. This will not rewrite History. It may however bring enjoyment to the friends, families, employees, enthusiasts as well future generations, who have a pasion for these Icons and want something Modern which has a nostalgic tie to the past.
Carl Wegner wears a Nickey hat virtually every single day.
He chooses to do so because he says that no matter where in the US he travels, no matter the race track, someone is always ready to share an interesting story about the Original Nickey Chevrolet and it always brings a smile to those fortunate enough to involved with the conversation.
He is proud to be part of projects which help perpetuate these Legacies.
He was there back in the day, just like; Don Swiatek, Ronnie Kaplan, Helen Gibb, Nancy Gibb, Bob Lionberger and Lynn Yenko, Donna Mae Mimms, Mr.Ed and Mr. Norm, just to name a few, unlike many who have posted on this thread.
If you would like to try to understand the importance and significance of these Modern "commemorative" cars, why don't you just ask those who have been there themselves. I know I have!
One of the pleasures I get to experience is that not a week goes by where my family and I, do not get thanked for keeping the torches burning.
BTW, tell Ronnie Kaplan 82 years young, that the hours he spent at our shop, helping to design our dry sump system for the 427 engines last week doesn't mean anything..... He will tell you that one of the very reasons he is involved is because of the "Name" that car will carry and to quote him ,......"I don't want you to f^%dge it up..."
He sure has a way with words. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif
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...... It seems to me it’s only a good idea to use the Yenko name if the idea stems from this site or if you are high ranking member of this site. Just my opinion!
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Salvatore, this statement surprises me, as it has not been that long ago that you were willing to pay a sponsorship fee to become one of these "high ranking members".
Jim; At the SEMA show a couple of years ago you and I had a nice visit, discussing your ’69 continuation car, as well as other Yenko related topics in general. Once I returned home, you contacted me asking if I would do a couple of things. One, you wanted to announce your ’69 project on our site, which was allowed, without censorship or a fee. Not mine, nor the club’s fault, that the car was not well received. Second, you asked if I would submit your idea to the Yenko family for their approval, which I did. Once again, not my fault that the family declined.
Why am I the bad guy now?
Les Quam
08-28-2009, 04:41 AM
Its my understanding Stefano worked very hard and long to obtain the rights to the Nickey Chicago name. The cars are very cool and a wonderful reflection on the Nickey legacy and create a lot of excitement while bringing many fresh faces to learn about the Nickey cars back in the day. My kids would never have asked what Nickey was if I wasn't wearing the shirt around? Because Stefano and his guys are keeping the legend alive my kids and many others now know what Nickey Chevrolet was and is.
I have two Yenko Camaro's and would love to own one or two of the new ones Tom and his boys are working on. Who better than Tom and the rest of the guys behind the project to keep the Yenko name out there for this new generation of Camaro enthusiasts. Who has worked harder with this site and the reunion to keep the Yenko flame burning for future generations??? Where else can you go and find Yenko VINs and get first hand reliable information about Yenko's than here???If anyone other than Tom and his crew were involved I would have no interest. But Tom Clary and the other members of the project brings the creditablity to this project no one else has other than a surviving Yenko family member. Morever the most common question I get regarding my cars is "whats a Yenko" these new cars will not deceive anyone into thinking they are anything other than a great tribute to a great car builder named Yenko.
Keep the flames burning guys!!!!
I think some of you are missing the bigger picture. If we say no more Yenkos, Nickeys, Giibs, whatever, unless they are “real”, do we say the same thing about other cars from our past, such as nostalgia drag cars and Gassers, cars influenced by Old Reliable, Red Alert, Grumpy’s cars, Sox/Martin, or period built Gassers and altereds, etc? What about Hemis, Cobras, even modern street rods? IMO, no. As the values of these cars increase, both in $$ amounts and sentimental values, less and less folks are able to really enjoy their “real” cars, often times even afraid to show them. So do we just shut things down for the lack of “real” cars? I say no! Yes, when I attend a car show I prefer to see “real” musclecars, but enjoy looking at most everything, same as when I attend a nostalgia drag race, where I would rather watch cars from back in the day go down the track, but I enjoy the sights and sounds of all of the race cars. Tributes, clones, continuation cars, will never replace the real thing, but they can help our performance-based hobby survive, hopefully for future generations to enjoy.
Les.. I hear you. Though my grandkids think our older stuff is neat, they are really digging the 2010 Yenko. Bimbi planted the seed with those cool looking Nickey t-shirts, and now seeing the mock pics of my Yenko, are really excited. Of course they like the fact that we can actually take the 2010 "to town".
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Who better than Tom and the rest of the guys behind the project to keep the Yenko name out there for this new generation of Camaro enthusiasts. Who has worked harder with this site and the reunion to keep the Yenko flame burning for future generations??? Where else can you go and find Yenko VINs and get first hand reliable information about Yenko's than here???If anyone other than Tom and his crew were involved I would have no interest. But Tom Clary and the other members of the project brings the creditablity to this project no one else has other than a surviving Yenko family member. Morever the most common question I get regarding my cars is "whats a Yenko" these new cars will not deceive anyone into thinking they are anything other than a great tribute to a great car builder named Yenko.
Keep the flames burning guys!!!!
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Well said Les. My thoughts exactly.
427.060
08-28-2009, 05:40 AM
Tom, will you get approval from the Yenko family to do these cars? I would think that you would have to.
James
Berger SS
08-28-2009, 05:56 AM
Berger Chevrolet is back! Yes we will be building 20 Berger SS cars for the 2010 Camaro. We will unveil the car this Saturday the 29th at our all Chevy Show here in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Hope to see all you there. We are taking orders so give me Dick Jacques a call at 616-293-1850 to reserve yours.
Born30YrsLate
08-28-2009, 06:03 AM
Without pics I don't believe these cars really exist...just like bigfoot...now put out... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Stefano
08-28-2009, 06:07 AM
It's great to see Berger is also in the 5th generation performance arena!
Terry24
08-28-2009, 06:08 AM
I am all for it!!! Wish I could afford it......thanks Tom! BTW, Tom Henry is building his own as well.....in case ya didn't know.
427bigblockvette
08-28-2009, 06:16 AM
Tom,
As mentioned earlier, these new 2010 Yenko Camaros are going to be incredible cars for all to see. I can't wait to actually set my eyes on one in person. Think of all the people that missed out on their first opportunity to buy a Yenko back in the sixties - now is time to take advantage of another opportunity to jump on board! Thank you again from all us "car guys" to make this a reality. Kudos! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif
I have heard about the Berger and Tom Henry cars, as well as offerings from Hennesey and Lingenfelter. All are cool in their own way.
Not since the '60s have we seen such interest in performance upgrades. Though old enough, because of $$$, I was not player the first time around.
427bigblockvette
08-28-2009, 06:33 AM
Tom, it appears everyone will be a winner when it comes to checking out these specialty 2010 Camaros at local car shows, etc. Things are getting very exciting around here! I can't wait to go to next years GM Nationals at Carlisle and other GM venues to check out these cars.
Even more cool may be when a couple of these "supercars" meet at the drag strip, to determine the "baddest of the bad".
Word is Nickey Chicago will do some "testing" at Gateway during the SCR. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif
Salvatore
08-28-2009, 07:08 AM
I think it is a great idea to build these new camaros up. I just don't know why we have to use the Yenko, Nickey, Baldwin etc. platform anymore. I think the people involved doing them should come up with their own version of a name. If it is not called a Yenko or whatever will it be less of a car? Call it The Stefano or The SCW camaro. Do you think you need the old names to market these new hot rods.....I don't. Is Berger Chevy going to call there new camaro a Yenko? How about Tom Henry? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
To me it is not about marketing.
I have always thought it was neat that several ZL-1 owners had '02s built to match their '69s and thought it would be cool to do a 2010 to match our '69.
BTW, the decision to build others came from folks who liked what I was doing.
Thomas,
Yes I did and thanks for getting back to me on that so quickly. You prove exactly what I wrote. However, Im still willing to write the check so I can be considered, like you an expert, then I can build a Yenko too! Let me know where to send the check! Just my opinion.
barker
08-28-2009, 08:36 AM
As a "Modern Muscle Car Enthusiast" who has had the opportunity to develop some great friendships through this yenko.net community I want to Thank this site for the passion we are all able to share here. Where else can you go and get such VARIED OPINIONS yet everyone be SO PASSIONATE about something? I am very honored to be a member of this site and look forward to seeing all the passion in so many different forms we are going to get to see with this new 2010 Camaro!!!! I say bring them on and for those of you who do not believe in these new products we will respect your opinion although we do not share it.
Thanks again
Dennis Barker
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Classic Automotive
08-28-2009, 03:43 PM
Tom:
Two things, to Sal's point, several years ago on this forum the statements were made "if Don did not build it, it ain't a Yenko." Those thoughts were echoed throughout this forum. Now a group on this forum decides to build a 2010 Yenko and it's agood idea. I believe that was his intitial point. Outside of this forum people perceive this website group as very "clickish". I am glad to see this type of debate, this is how it should be.
Second, to Sal's point also, Sal and I are both elected into SEMA/ARMO by our peers. We work with GM, Ford and Chrysler licensing personell and have sit down meetings with them at SEMA concerning "how to do it right and legal" Sal was simply stating, you should do this legal. According to the trademark office Yenko is owned by Classic Industries in all concerns automotive except model cars/toys. The Yenko family does not own there own name in regards to putting it on a car for commercial purposes. As paceme said earlier in this thread that I responded to, Yes you can buy a Yenko decal and put it on your Yugo and have no problems. The moment you put it on a car and sell or market the car for commercial purposes you have violated the law. IT is a simple fact the name it TRADEMARKED. So the question is are you doing it legally? Or is this going to be another fight in the industry and result in legal issues and lawsuits. The are things going on with the Yenko name out there that Sal and I know about but are not allowed to discuss. Both of us feel you owe this forum a straight answer as not to get peoples hopes up and then have them crashing down when you cannot produce the cars. I am not meaning to challenge you, just simply answer Sal's original question(s) By the way, I have been through the legal side of this, the use of Camaro, licensed with GM, sued and defended myself since all of this was introduced, has anyone else here been through the legal side of this?
1969z280
08-28-2009, 04:31 PM
I think you guys should pay for a membership. Just my $.02
Jim, Sad to say, I am not new to the world of trademarks and such disputes and would not have endorsed such a project without doing some research. It would be nice if everything was black and white in regards to trademarks, but as I am sure you know, lots of gray areas, which is why there are attorneys who only specialize in trademark issues. You and I, and others, could argue about who really has the rights to the Yenko name until the cows come home, but would not really prove a thing. That will be for the courts to decide, if and when someone makes a legal challenge against our use of the name.
If such challenge does come to pass, IMO, the challenger may win a battle or two, but will not win the war, AKA, public opinion.
With that said, I would like to ask you a question. Have you, Salvatore or even Classic received permission from the Yenko family to use the Yenko name, or for that matter, ever bothered to even ask?
I believe very strongly that the families should have some control over the use of their names, which is why I urged Valerie Harrell to trademark the DH name, even gave her the money to do so. I gave Helen Gibb the same advice, and not long ago helped her defend her rights to the Gibb name. I could have been like others and registered the marks in my name, or the sYc’s name, but that was not the right thing to do. There are more important things in this world then trying to make a quick buck at the expense of others.
Several folks have asked about the Yenko family in all of this. I will give a short history question, then answer that.
13 years ago, as we were discussing holding the first Yenko/Supercar Reunion, the sYc asked for, then received, written permission from the Yenko estate/family to use the Yenko name, as far as I know the only entity to bother asking, and the only entity to receive such permission. At that time the sYc began using the Yenko name in various forms, well before others became interested in jumping on the Yenko bandwagon. For the past 13 years, working with members of the Yenko family, the sYc has done its best to promote the Yenko name in a positive manner, and evidently we did a pretty good job or else we would not be having this discussion.
For the past several years I have become good friends with the remaining members of the Yenko family, also, kind of the buffer between them and our hobby. Any time I am contacted about something Yenko related, or hear of something that think they need to be made aware of, I send that info their way. Two things kept popping up. One, a Yenko book, which I am proud to say will be previewed at the SCR, and two, the family endorsing the building of more Yenkos. Their answer has always been the same, no thanks. That is until now.
I am proud, and delighted, to say that I have received a positive response from within the Yenko family, one member even expressing interest in owning a “new” Yenko Camaro.
That my friend, is good enough for me!
Kim_Howie
08-28-2009, 06:32 PM
Tom , I have been down this road too. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif
Classic Automotive
08-28-2009, 06:37 PM
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Jim, Sad to say, I am not new to the world of trademarks and such disputes and would not have endorsed such a project without doing some research. It would be nice if everything was black and white in regards to trademarks, but as I am sure you know, lots of gray areas, which is why there are attorneys who only specialize in trademark issues. You and I, and others, could argue about who really has the rights to the Yenko name until the cows come home, but would not really prove a thing. That will be for the courts to decide, if and when someone makes a legal challenge against our use of the name. If such challenge does come to pass, IMO, the challenger may win a battle or two, but will not win the war, AKA, public opinion. If such challenge does come to pass, IMO, the challenger may win a battle or two, but will not win the war, AKA, public opinion.
With that said, I would like to ask you a question. Have you, Salvatore or even Classic received permission from the Yenko family to use the Yenko name, or for that matter, ever bothered to even ask?
I believe very strongly that the families should have some control over the use of their names, which is why I urged Valerie Harrell to trademark the DH name, even gave her the money to do so. I gave Helen Gibb the same advice, and not long ago helped her defend her rights to the Gibb name. I could have been like others and registered the marks in my name, or the sYc’s name, but that was not the right thing to do. There are more important things in this world then trying to make a quick buck at the expense of others.
Several folks have asked about the Yenko family in all of this. I will give a short history question, then answer that.
13 years ago, as we were discussing holding the first Yenko/Supercar Reunion, the sYc received written permission from the Yenko estate/family to use the Yenko name, as far as I know the only entity to bother asking, and the only entity to receive such permission. At that time the sYc began using the Yenko name in various forms, well before others became interested in jumping on the Yenko bandwagon. For the past 13 years, working with members of the Yenko family, the sYc has done its best to promote the Yenko name in a positive manner, and evidently we did a pretty good job or else we would not be having this discussion.
For the past several years I have become good friends with the remaining members of the Yenko family, also, kind of the buffer between them and our hobby. Any time I am contacted about something Yenko related, or hear of something that think they need to be made aware of, I send that info their way. Two things kept popping up. One, a Yenko book, which I am proud to say will be previewed at the SCR, and two, the family endorsing the building of more Yenkos. Their answer has always been the same, no thanks. That is until now.
I am proud, and delighted, to say that I have received a positive response from within the Yenko family, one member even expressing interest in owning a “new” Yenko Camaro.
That my friend, is good enough for me!
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Tom:
Yes, I have spoken with Lynn several times and to that end she has never said no. When you and I discussed this before and you went to the Yenko family you never responded to me as to what the family said, or at least I have no response from you. As you stated all of this will be for the courts to decide. Is the Yenko family aware of the potientail legal issues? Are they aware how t he name is trademarked? I will make a statement though that I believe is on point. My last name is Barber, think if my family would have licensed the name or trademarked it in some way...look at all the "Barber shops" out there today. Simply because I have the last name of Barber does not mean I can give anyone permission to use it. Again to Sal's point of legality.
I thank you for answering the question directly, I applaud you for that. Good luck with you project and I hope the lawyers don't end up making more money!
Jim
Tom,
Thanks, thats what I was looking for. I appreciate that info. Good luck with your 2010 project!
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I think it is a great idea to build these new camaros up. I just don't know why we have to use the Yenko, Nickey, Baldwin etc. platform anymore. I think the people involved doing them should come up with their own version of a name. If it is not called a Yenko or whatever will it be less of a car? Call it The Stefano or The SCW camaro. Do you think you need the old names to market these new hot rods.....I don't. Is Berger Chevy going to call there new camaro a Yenko? How about Tom Henry? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
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Sam, we have tried, but hard to put into words. All I can say, and I will leave it at this. You need to attend an event with family members and former employees who are involved in such projects.
I think it may have been Nancy Gibb's excietment over her new Camaro becoming the prototype for the Gibb project that chased the rain away during the Gibb show.
Les Quam
08-28-2009, 07:39 PM
Jim,
No one is required to run down and obtain the federal trademark rights to their family name so they can use it or to prevent others from using it. Don Yenko didn't need a federal trademark or copyright license to slap his name on the side of the cars he sold. Nor did he need a federal trademark or copyright license to prevent others from using his name back in the day. When Don Yenko operated his business he had some form of business entity possibly an "S" or "C" corporation or perhaps a sole propreitorship? He would have filed documents with the state to operate his business that generates rights that precede yours. The Yenko estate has state rights to the Yenko name and logo back from the days the dealership was operating that clearly precede your rights. The fact they haven't yet tried to stop you from using their name in court is meaningless.
Thousands of quick buck artists every year obtain trademark rights to names until the families decide to take legal action and rectify the situation. My name is not a trademark and if you were using it to sell products I wouldn't need to trademark my name or challenge your trademark if you obtained one to stop you from using it there are other easier, quicker and less costly methods.
If I was advising the remaining Yenko family I would strongly encourage them to litigate and contest your use of their name and go after any profits you have made. The rights to a name or process are not won by a race to the trademark office.
Some names such as Barber are generic in nature and can't be licensed except to the extent they pertain to a specific person or entity. I can sell items such as "Barber" products as long as the products wouldn't lead people to believe they were genuine "Jim Barber" camaro products relating to you. If I owned a Chevy dealership and was building and selling Quam supercamaro's in Nevada just because I haven't obtained a federal trademark or copyright to "Quam supercamaro's" doesn't mean you can run down and obtain the trade mark rights and deceive people into thinking you are the creator of the "Quam supercamaro"
Trademarks, tradenames, patent law and copyright law are one of the most complex area's of law that even most lawyers have a tough time understanding. This post is but a simple discussion of a complex subject.
quick-bowtie
08-28-2009, 07:40 PM
Although I wouldnt consider the new Yenko Camaro a Real Yenko or worth anymore than one I or anyone else could build, I think its CRAZY that people are whinning about rights to the NAME!!
Unless the YENKO family recieved big money from Classic Industries I think its total B.S. how they can come in and take a Name especially when there is surviving family.
If Tom is close to the family and they gave to OK to build some cars with there name on it then that should be the only thing that COUNTS! AMERICA IS SO SCREWED UP!!!!
Just like Valerie Harrell should own her name and The Gibbs should own theyre name Yenko should be the same and so on.
I know Id be more than happy to donate $500 to legal fund if it came to that and the Yenko family was on board.
Better yet why not build the cars to customer spec. and leave the decals in the trunk and let the customer put them on.. The your just selling a Super Tuned Camaro with a set of Yenko Decals in the trunk.
Classic Automotive
08-28-2009, 07:55 PM
The decals in the trunk is splitting hairs, especially if they are/were designed for the new 2010 body, they are still part of the commercial package. If you purchased the exisiting decals that may be a different story. As for the name, I know the story of how Classic obtained it and do not feel I should disclose that detail simply to say they were not looking to obtain it. It happen through a business transaction. The trade mark facts were discussed here several years ago, and since they have not been challenged and they have a history of marketing and use the president is there. Those here that stated they have history with trademarks understand that you must show "use" of the mark PRIOR to applying.
427bigblockvette
08-28-2009, 08:11 PM
To all... this is great advertising for the new 2010 Yenko Camaro, Berger Camaro, Nickey Camaro, Gibb Camaro, Henessey Camaro, and all other new Super Camaros I have not named. I can't wait to get my hands on one of these cars! I just don't understand all this complaining. This is AMERICA. We DO NOT live like some folks do in poverty abroad afraid to step outside our doors. Enjoy what we have here and don't get too caught up in this silly stuff. Life is too short. Everyone is a winner here! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
No big secret, Mr. David Heth, who had registered the Yenko crest in 1995, lets just say, fell on hard times, letting the mark go, which Classic picked up.
Up until then, most folks, such as myself and supercar Collectables, acknowledged his rights to the Yenko crest. Intersting, and ironic, back then, that to get to Mr. Heth, one had to go through Classic.
It was during this transsition from David Heth and to Classic that the door became wide open for any and everybody (except diecast, which SC registered) to use the Yenko name, including the Yenko crest, in all shapes and sizes, on products of all kinds. As we speak, on Ebay, just in Ebay Motors, there are 859 products for sale related to Yenko, from t-shirts, stickers, stripe kits, valve covers, to cars, complete with stripes and emblems. And I think I am safe to say most do not have the approval of Classic to do so. And, if they do not have Classic's permission, has Classic made a legal challenge against their use of the Yenko name?
Classic Automotive
08-28-2009, 08:35 PM
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Jim,
No one is required to run down and obtain the federal trademark rights to their family name so they can use it or to prevent others from using it. Don Yenko didn't need a federal trademark or copyright license to slap his name on the side of the cars he sold. Nor did he need a federal trademark or copyright license to prevent others from using his name back in the day. When Don Yenko operated his business he had some form of business entity possibly an "S" or "C" corporation or perhaps a sole propreitorship? He would have filed documents with the state to operate his business that generates rights that precede yours. The Yenko estate has state rights to the Yenko name and logo back from the days the dealership was operating that clearly precede your rights. The fact they haven't yet tried to stop you from using their name in court is meaningless.
Thousands of quick buck artists every year obtain trademark rights to names until the families decide to take legal action and rectify the situation. My name is not a trademark and if you were using it to sell products I wouldn't need to trademark my name or challenge your trademark if you obtained one to stop you from using it there are other easier, quicker and less costly methods.
If I was advising the remaining Yenko family I would strongly encourage them to litigate and contest your use of their name and go after any profits you have made. The rights to a name or process are not won by a race to the trademark office.
Some names such as Barber are generic in nature and can't be licensed except to the extent they pertain to a specific person or entity. I can sell items such as "Barber" products as long as the products wouldn't lead people to believe they were genuine "Jim Barber" camaro products relating to you. If I owned a Chevy dealership and was building and selling Quam supercamaro's in Nevada just because I haven't obtained a federal trademark or copyright to "Quam supercamaro's" doesn't mean you can run down and obtain the trade mark rights and deceive people into thinking you are the creator of the "Quam supercamaro"
Trademarks, tradenames, patent law and copyright law are one of the most complex area's of law that even most lawyers have a tough time understanding. This post is but a simple discussion of a complex subject.
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You are confused....I don not have the name trademarked. See Tom's post below
Les Quam
08-28-2009, 10:20 PM
I have no idea who has what name trade marked and I mean no one any disrespect but let me clarify my opinion and elaborate briefly.
When Don Yenko died he had property as all of will have when we pass. Some of Don Yenko's I imagine was real estate? Some was personal property like cars and personal effects. Some was probably contractual rights with Chevy etc? Some was in my opinion most clearly whats known as an intellectual property right also commonly known as a brand name he had created. When Don Yenko was killed ALL his property of every nature would have passed to his heirs through a trust if he had one or through a will or finally if no will or trust existed through the courts who would have divided up his property for him.
Don Yenko's heirs would have inherited all his property rights including the somewhat intangible intellectual property right of his Yenko brand name he had created, unless of course Don Yenko had before his death created a trust or will and assigned those rights to someone else? Assuming that is not the case one of Don Yenko's heirs right now today owns the imtellectual property rights to his brand name relating to his cars. Whether the heirs understand or know they own those property rights I have no idea?? Simply because the Yenko heirs have apparently not chosen to trade mark and protect their property rights does not mean they have lost or waived their rights to the property.
If someone else has in the meantime obtained some form of trade mark using the Yenko name that in my opinion does not in any way preclude the Yenko heirs from enforcing their property rights at a later date. I am aware of no statute of limitations?
In other words any of us can build new 5th generation camaros and call them Yenko's and sell them until the Yenko heirs decide to put a stop to it. Kind of like trespassing on someone's land, you can stay there until the owner throws you off. All of which is just my opinion.
As we all know if you find a lawyer and dangle some money in front of him he will go to court and file some paper for you and keep doing that until you run out of money.
1970Bluel78
08-28-2009, 10:35 PM
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I think some of you are missing the bigger picture. If we say no more Yenkos, Nickeys, Giibs, whatever, unless they are “real”, do we say the same thing about other cars from our past, such as nostalgia drag cars and Gassers, cars influenced by Old Reliable, Red Alert, Grumpy’s cars, Sox/Martin, or period built Gassers and altereds, etc? What about Hemis, Cobras, even modern street rods? IMO, no. As the values of these cars increase, both in $$ amounts and sentimental values, less and less folks are able to really enjoy their “real” cars, often times even afraid to show them. So do we just shut things down for the lack of “real” cars? I say no! Yes, when I attend a car show I prefer to see “real” musclecars, but enjoy looking at most everything, same as when I attend a nostalgia drag race, where I would rather watch cars from back in the day go down the track, but I enjoy the sights and sounds of all of the race cars. Tributes, clones, continuation cars, will never replace the real thing, but they can help our performance-based hobby survive, hopefully for future generations to enjoy.
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Actually I think you are missing the picture. Making a period style gasser or FED etc is one thing.Even a clone of a famous race car and claiming it's a clone seems to be OK. Making a NEW car with performance up grades using an ICONIC name like Yenko is misleading to say the least. Maybe a lot of us old guys want to re live their youth and have a car they could not have then, but longed for, in a big way Dunno. I'll say it again. Don is passed and YENKO Chevrolet is gone also. Make a new model Camaro and call it something else. Now will you get some guys with a lot of money to buy one? Sure but it will never be a Yenko IMHO
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You are confused....I don not have the name trademarked. See Tom's post below
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Then why are you and AMC here, and so against what we are trying to do? Wouldn't we all be better served if whoever is in charge of Classic was the one to present their case?
Kim_Howie
08-28-2009, 10:49 PM
Mr. Bradley you have said this three times. I think we GOT IT!!
So cloning a Grumpy race car, who's name is as much or more ICONIC then Yenko is OK, but a new Yenko, no?
And mis-leading? You honestly think musclecar enthusiasts are not going to know the differences between my 2010 Yenko and 1969 Yenko?
69Tom
08-28-2009, 11:08 PM
I'm just hoping someone decides to get one with a vinyl top to match their '69. Would love to see that on a modern car. Wonder if the new model could "pull it off"??
427bigblockvette
08-28-2009, 11:16 PM
Tom,
I myself am a Yenko owner and cannot wait to see your 2010 Yenko Camaro leave some tire marks on the track. I can't imagine anyone not going crazy (in a good way) when you pull up to a car show with your two Yenkos. What a treat that will be to any spectator. I challenge anyone that would think a crowd of spectators would get insulted and feel cheated out from that experience. Isn't this what it is all about? Taking your car out, no matter what it is, and enjoying your time with your family and friends. I am missing something here. Just my opinion.
Steve Shauger
08-28-2009, 11:24 PM
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Mr. Bradley you have said this three times. I think we GOT IT!!
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Thanks Kim, he was making my head hurt.
1969l78
08-28-2009, 11:57 PM
Any price ideas on the new cars? I wish they made hide away headlight options on the rs 2010 camaro.
Kim_Howie
08-28-2009, 11:59 PM
Mine too!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
1970Bluel78
08-29-2009, 02:00 AM
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Mr. Bradley you have said this three times. I think we GOT IT!!
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Thanks Kim, he was making my head hurt.
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Mr Shauger, Take 2 aspirin and call me in the morning http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
1970Bluel78
08-29-2009, 02:06 AM
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So cloning a Grumpy race car, who's name is as much or more ICONIC then Yenko is OK, but a new Yenko, no?
And mis-leading? You honestly think musclecar enthusiasts are not going to know the differences between my 2010 Yenko and 1969 Yenko?
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There are quite a few 1969 Camaro Yenko clones out there now http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif. A 2010 will never be a clone or a real yenko...At this point I'll let you experts debate the subject further. I don't want to PO Kim anymore..........
Les Quam
08-29-2009, 03:00 AM
One final comment. The term trade name and trade mark do not refer to the same license or property right and I have sometimes referred to them like they are the same(my bad).
For example Coca Cola has a logo which is protected by a trade mark. Coca Cola also has a trade name property right known as Coca Cola and does business under I assume another name Coca Cola Bottling or something like that which is also a property right. They also have an intellectual property right to their recipe for the cola.
I return you now to your regularly scheduled program.
396L35
08-29-2009, 05:30 AM
I can give two sh!ts about who owns the name "Yenko" and its making my head hurt, but one of these 2010 camaros named after a dead guy is like going to see Elvis in concert next week???? Yenko was awesome and a true car guy but using his name to sell cars is crazy and disrespectful. Just my two cents, carry on??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
Steve Shauger
08-29-2009, 05:37 AM
It can also be looked upon as a tribute to Don Yenko.
Postsedan
08-29-2009, 05:41 AM
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I can give two sh!ts about who owns the name "Yenko" and its making my head hurt, but one of these 2010 camaros named after a dead guy is like going to see Elvis in concert next week???? Yenko was awesome and a true car guy but using his name to sell cars is crazy and disrespectful. Just my two cents, carry on??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif "I`m all shookup" "Thank you, thank you very much"
Dan.
Jeff H
08-29-2009, 05:54 AM
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I think it is a great idea to build these new camaros up. I just don't know why we have to use the Yenko, Nickey, Baldwin etc. platform anymore. I think the people involved doing them should come up with their own version of a name. If it is not called a Yenko or whatever will it be less of a car? Call it The Stefano or The SCW camaro. Do you think you need the old names to market these new hot rods.....I don't. Is Berger Chevy going to call there new camaro a Yenko? How about Tom Henry? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
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That's what I was thinking as well Sam.
Late BrakeU2
08-29-2009, 06:22 AM
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It can also be looked upon as a tribute to Don Yenko.
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Which is exactly what Dale Earnahrdt's Intimidator SS's were-a tribute to his good freind. Commissioned and partnered with GM,trademarked by him, and sold through his chevrolet dealership.
It's all good
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The Dude
08-29-2009, 06:37 AM
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I can give two sh!ts about who owns the name "Yenko" and its making my head hurt, but one of these 2010 camaros named after a dead guy is like going to see Elvis in concert next week???? Yenko was awesome and a true car guy but using his name to sell cars is crazy and disrespectful. Just my two cents, carry on??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
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I AGREE.
The Dude
08-29-2009, 06:40 AM
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Tom,
I myself am a Yenko owner and cannot wait to see your 2010 Yenko Camaro leave some tire marks on the track. I can't imagine anyone not going crazy (in a good way) when you pull up to a car show with your two Yenkos. What a treat that will be to any spectator. I challenge anyone that would think a crowd of spectators would get insulted and feel cheated out from that experience. Isn't this what it is all about? Taking your car out, no matter what it is, and enjoying your time with your family and friends. I am missing something here. Just my opinion.
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I for one would not go crazy over a 69 Yenko, let alone a so called new Yenko. Many people would see the new car as a badge and sticker fake, with no history or pedigree. A car built on anothers fame.
kwhizz
08-29-2009, 07:10 AM
Are Political Threads any worse than this one??? Enough already......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
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Salvatore
08-29-2009, 07:36 AM
Nope, Lets do politics! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif
169indy
08-29-2009, 08:54 AM
This is like pee-ing in the pacific to see the water level rise compared to the Storm brewing after old Carol Shelby's (NOS) ticker stops pumping blood!
Build it all 10 of them,,,, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
396L35
08-29-2009, 05:34 PM
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It can also be looked upon as a tribute to Don Yenko.
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That would be fine if you did a tribute to Don and the Yenko Family and all the profit earned should go to charity instead of the pockets of people trying to sell cars with his name. Im done, carry on!!! Mark http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Steve Shauger
08-29-2009, 07:31 PM
Lets refocus this thread on its original intent, the car itself. What unique features, availability and pricing. Possibly a member has an idea for an option. If you are not interested that's fine but this threads intent was to enlighten those that may be interested in finding out more about the proposed 5th generation Yenko.
FWIW I am not in anyway involved in this project, but find the negativity of some of the post disturbing.
Kim_Howie
08-29-2009, 07:48 PM
Mark, You know what I have been thru with my car!! Hell my car is real!!! I don't get where your coming from. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
resto4u
08-29-2009, 08:11 PM
A portion of profits should go to the family for name sake. Also, what about all the yenko items? They should own the trademark. 2 cent, cousin of 50 cent. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif
Les Quam
08-29-2009, 08:38 PM
I don't think Shelby can die I think he will just keep installing reproduction body parts and live forever. He is already the longest living heart transplant survivor in history. His new CEO Amy Boylan hired an expert and cleaned up all his trade mark and trade name issue's. Those rights will pass to his assigns and there will be no problems if Ole Shel ever passes.
In regard to the 2010 Yenko it sounds to me like a great idea and will be a great tribute to Yenko and introduce a lot of young people to the original cars and their legacy.
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A portion of profits should go to the family for name sake. Also, what about all the yenko items? They should own the trademark. 2 cent, cousin of 50 cent. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif
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The sYc would like nothing better then to see a portion of any item sold that is related to Yenko built/sold cars, past and present, go to family members and/or a charity of their choice. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
396L35
08-29-2009, 09:32 PM
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Kim I know you had trouble with your car but it was a REAL car not some made up sticker/mod package from a dealership that no longer exists. If someone has a 69 Yenko and wants to buy a 2010 and make it look like the other car then they have that right, but to build a new car and use an old name is like reinventing the wheel. Im just saying that you could build a kickasss car with all new performance & technology and give it its own identity. Lets get back to INOVATION AND NEW IDEAS and make something that no one else has ever thought of and build it dont live in the past and move into the future.
Salvatore
08-29-2009, 09:44 PM
Like I said before, I am all for the new camaro and the go fast mods. I just think a new name and a new future is in order for the camaro. The TC Special sounds good to me! let the all new car have its own identity from the rest! There is enough Yenko cars and stuff out there that no one will ever forget Don's legacy. Time for a new kid on the block and it might be you or Stef, Tom. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif
Classic Automotive
08-29-2009, 10:14 PM
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I don't think Shelby can die I think he will just keep installing reproduction body parts and live forever. He is already the longest living heart transplant survivor in history. His new CEO Amy Boylan hired an expert and cleaned up all his trade mark and trade name issue's. Those rights will pass to his assigns and there will be no problems if Ole Shel ever passes.
In regard to the 2010 Yenko it sounds to me like a great idea and will be a great tribute to Yenko and introduce a lot of young people to the original cars and their legacy.
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Of course Shebly won't have any problems....they are a publicly traded company since 2003. (NASDAQ: CSBI) Most don't ever realize he did this 6 years ago. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif
markjohnson
08-29-2009, 10:24 PM
This whole subject of new Yenkos is really a sensitive subject to a lot of people. Mr. Clary's comparism to Grumpy cars is without merit though because no one is building a fleet of "Grumpy" cars for sale. I DID think that the Indian motorcycle comparism earlier was interesting though. Now that was a company that didn't even exist anymore that was resurrected and the final product looked worthy of the Indian name. Does anybody remember public opinion when that was announced? I think it was excitement by motorcycle enthusiasts and very little negative. This has been done before, and really not very long ago, with Matt Murphy and his fleet of Dick Harrell 2002 Camaros and before that it was his ZL-1's. I thought those were well recieved. On on the other hand, I think we've all heard of Mr. Shelby's disdain and legal action against "Cobra" kit cars. If it was up to him, the only Cobras that would exist would be the ones that he manufactured. Heck, I'm sure that kit car Cobras VASTLY outnumber the real thing. It is a free country so people are allowed to build, buy, and drive whatever they want. If anybody doesn't like it, I guess they don't have to buy it or even acknowledge it at a car show. That's all from my end.
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08-29-2009, 10:32 PM
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Like I said before, I am all for the new camaro and the go fast mods. I just think a new name and a new future is in order for the camaro. The TC Special sounds good to me! let the all new car have its own identity from the rest! There is enough Yenko cars and stuff out there that no one will ever forget Don's legacy. Time for a new kid on the block and it might be you or Stef, Tom. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif
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Yeah what Sammy said!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Les Quam
08-29-2009, 10:36 PM
Going public with his latest company didn't solve his long standing issues with the use and misuse of his trademark and other property rights. Anyone can take a private company public that doesn't resolve any intellectual property matters.
From my observations it wasn't until Amy Boylan came along with her previous experience at Mattel Inc. and the merchandising rights she learned about at mattel that Shelby
finally was able to stop all the companies using the Shelby name on memorabalia and the myriad of different products people were selling with his name and logo on it. She then focused on selling anything and everything with his name on it and generated huge sums of capital for him to build cars along with Ford's funds and input.
Because she knew the right law firm from her experience at Mattel she was able to stop the unauthorized use of the Shelby name and preserve it for whomever he designates the rights after he passes.
Classic Automotive
08-29-2009, 10:48 PM
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Going public with his latest company didn't solve his long standing issues with the use and misuse of his trademark and other property rights. Anyone can take a private company public that doesn't resolve any intellectual property matters.
From my observations it wasn't until Amy Boylan came along with her previous experience at Mattel Inc. and the merchandising rights she learned about at mattel that Shelby
finally was able to stop all the companies using the Shelby name on memorabalia and the myriad of different products people were selling with his name and logo on it. She then focused on selling anything and everything with his name on it and generated huge sums of capital for him to build cars along with Ford's funds and input.
Because she knew the right law firm from her experience at Mattel she was able to stop the unauthorized use of the Shelby name and preserve it for whomever he designates the rights after he passes.
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Close, Shelby began the battle before Amy came aboard, although you are correct she has done alot for the company. Shelby regristered his trademark(s) ten or more years ago and regristered them to a "trust". The trust will survive long after he is gone. I do not know who the beneficary of the trust is, I would suspect the company, but it could be an heir who would recieve royalties. You just hit on the big difference between what Shelby did as a company verses Yenko. What none of us know is the Shelby trademark is considered an assest of the corporation
Les Quam
08-30-2009, 12:41 AM
I think Shelby's intellectual property issues started in the late 60s and he tried to resolve it with a several different law firms over the years none of which were very effective but like auto racing the team with the most money usually wins and not a lot was invested early on.
I thought Amy would be a disaster for Shelby not having an automotive background or being a "car guy" but they both seemed to realize how important the Shelby brand was and she soon cleaned up that decades old mess real quick and left the car building to the car guys and the results from a business and car performance stand point have been nothing short of amazing. The income form the Shelby memorablia has been incredible.
I think the key difference between Don Yenko and Shelby is that Shelby survived and that the Yenko heirs have never apparently tried to resolve the matter.
It looks like Joel Rosen may have finally gained some control over his intellectual property rights?
Dave Rifkin
08-30-2009, 12:46 AM
I have been reading all of the various opinions on this subject and would like to add my 2 cents. First I want to say that I appreciate all cars, including well done clones, and feel that there's room in the hobby for all as long as they aren't presented as the real deal.
Regarding the production of a 2010 Camaro Yenko; I tend to agree with the few who have posted that feel we should leave the original Yenko legacy as is and not try to represent these cars as Yenkos. If Don were alive and had a hand in the concept / construction of these cars I would feel differently of course.
What I would like to see would be a 2010 Motion Camaro; Mr. Rosen and Mr. Schorr are alive and well and a modern interpretation of a Motion Camaro from these two individuals would be welcomed with open arms by many I'm sure.
To Mr. Clary, I wish you luck in your new venture regardless of how I may feel about the concept. I can't afford one; not that it matters, and I'm sure I'll appreciate the car no matter what.
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Les Quam
08-30-2009, 04:20 AM
Dave,
Joel introduced new Motion camaros a few years back at SEMA. I don't know how many sold but I think not many? Joel is not turning wrenches anymore and building cars and essentially licensed someone to build cars to his approval using his Motion brand name.
Not sure how a company Joel gives a license to use his Motion name is any different than Tom getting approval from the Yenko heirs to build a new Yenko? Which it seems to me is not much different than Stefano obtaining the license from the Stephani's to build new Nickey cars or Norm Kraus giving permission to Bill Sefton to build new Mr. Norm's cars. I realize some of those guys are still around to stamp their approval on the new cars but are they not still all tribute cars?
As far as I know Shelby is still the only guy going to his auto manufacturing facility which he still owns and operates and building and designing cars and directing how things are done? Shelby to some extent is still involved in the day to day stuff at Shelby Automobiles.
And of course the Berger family and Tasca familiy are still going strong and sound like they will be building some great cars just like back in the day. Tasca has been turning out fantastic modified Shelby's and Mustangs for a while now. A 2010 600HP Berger camaro would be really cool.
Chevy454
08-30-2009, 06:31 AM
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Kim I know you had trouble with your car but it was a REAL car not some made up sticker/mod package from a dealership that no longer exists. If someone has a 69 Yenko and wants to buy a 2010 and make it look like the other car then they have that right, but to build a new car and use an old name is like reinventing the wheel. Im just saying that you could build a kickasss car with all new performance & technology and give it its own identity. Lets get back to INOVATION AND NEW IDEAS and make something that no one else has ever thought of and build it dont live in the past and move into the future.
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The Badest Berger Car Yet!!!
I just received my Sept. issue of GM High-Tech Performance and it has a KICKASSS article about Berger's 2002 DH Wide Body Camaro. It not only made the cover but it has twelve pages to back up this Last New Muscle Car... The orange one on the cover belongs to Val Harrell and it is an awesome machine... I was told by Dick Jacques of Berger to list this article and let the public know that there are still two of these killer cars available... Dick can be reached at 616-293-1850 Here are some pictures:
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396L35
08-30-2009, 08:24 AM
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Rob a lot of things have changed my mind over the last 3 years. I am a new father of twin boys that just turned 4 months, a new respect for old race cars, and looking forward to new technology for street/strip cars. I wish you all the luck in your new endevors but I think its a bad idea to bring a name from the past to sell cars. This has been done too many times by Chevrolet with the LS6, LS7, LT1, etc. I think if your going to make a new car give it a new name to let it stand out on its own. From what I have seen that Nickey Chicago has for sale it doesn't look that difficult to make a badasss car so give it a new bad asss name. Its just my two cents, like I told you at Jim's wake "Life is too short to worry about the small things". Hopefully we can talk next weekend at the show, I look forward to hear how your suburban is doing. Mark
JK98SS
08-30-2009, 08:37 PM
I agree, why not create a new Legacy? Back in the day these guys were not well known and were selling cars based on the performance, not so much the name.
Fast Forward 40 years and now those names sell the cars. I am sure the Yenko name will certainly help you sell more units than an unknown name. But the fact remains, it is not produced by Yenko, so it honestly a Yenko?
Good luck with it. Do you have any renderings?
Kim_Howie
08-30-2009, 11:02 PM
I don't see anybody jumping on the NEW Dodge Hurst. George Hurst is a dead guy too!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif We have something else to do besides this B S . http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
427.060
08-31-2009, 12:27 AM
Last time I checked Hurst was still in business. These cars are modified by Hurst not someone just someone want to capitalize on the Hurst name.
James
Stefano
08-31-2009, 01:28 AM
Take every damn Capitalist you can find put them in front of a firing squad......
I didn't call Sam, Darren or any one else, but my wife as well as some paid business and legal advisors prior to legally purchasing the rights to "Nickey", resigning my corporate job and setting out to try and bring back a brand name in the Super Car and Hi-Performance parts business. I also haven't asked for their opinions regarding my current business plan.
If I had wanted to build a 'Stefano Bimbi'or other different edition Camaro, or just sell someone else's, then I could have chosen to do so.
We definitely could have sold just as many vehicles, with much less expense, however I CHOSE not to. I'm not telling you it was a smart decision, or even a profitable one, but it was certainly a calculated one.
So, thanks to all who have contributed to the unsolicited advise regarding my business acumen and a huge thanks to all of our customers, who patronize our business and who are too busy working and having fun to get involved with this thread.
Just for the record; Some of the Key people who were directly involved with building the Nickey brand are still working and supporting us today, in the best ways which they can.
Mr. Nickey never turned a wrench on a Mucle car or Super Car!
The Nickey Brand and Mark have significant value and historical importance to us. I am proud of what we do, how we do it and that which we have done to remind those who were there, to reminisce, while making new generations aware of past history.
Nickey ceased to exist because of many reasons, but mainly because the business failed. This was not because the Key people involved had passed away. The Stephani family made a decision to sell those rights off.
The Yenko family/estate has never done that to the best of my knowledge.
The fact that Tom Clary and family want to build a 2010 Camaro, for their personal enjoyment and to commemorate their real Yenko Camaro as well as the spirit, legacy and legend of Don Yenko and since the Yenko family is in full support of this commemorative vehicle, I say, "enough said".
427.060
08-31-2009, 02:58 AM
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Kim_Howie
08-31-2009, 03:02 AM
Watch the video. The guy with Jay leno states it not the org. Hurst corp. This is a new corp!! Same thing different verus. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif
Kim_Howie
08-31-2009, 03:06 AM
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chads454Ls6
08-31-2009, 03:11 AM
Clean up on aisle 5!
427.060
08-31-2009, 03:14 AM
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Kim_Howie
08-31-2009, 03:20 AM
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1969l78
08-31-2009, 03:33 AM
http://www.hurst-shifters.com/s.nl/it.I/id.544/.f
http://www.hurstperformancevehicles.com/hurst-challenger.asp
427.060
08-31-2009, 03:42 AM
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markinnaples
08-31-2009, 03:46 AM
What is the big deal?
As long as it's legal and ethical, and they are honest about it, viva la capitalism and make as much money as people are willing to give you.
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Steve Shauger
08-31-2009, 04:29 AM
This forum's mission is to protect Yenko name and to help keep his legacy alive and unblemished. We all as members, moderators and administrators have done that and it will continue. There is no other group better suited to build a Yenko. Regarding profits its really none of anyones business how and what money is made, although Tom has certainly been forthcoming. If its accepted by enthusiasts it will sell, if not, oh well...
I understand some are opposed, but as I have said before thats not why this thread was initiated. Again lets get back to the car. If you want to start another thread fine, but let keep this one focused on the car.
427.060
08-31-2009, 05:16 AM
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427bigblockvette
08-31-2009, 05:24 AM
O.K.,
Here is a question... if someone like Nickey of Chicago came out with a "Yenko Commemorative Edition" with an aluminum 427 motor and a "Yenko" theme to commemorate Don Yenko and his legacy, would eveyone be on board then?
Steve Shauger
08-31-2009, 05:25 AM
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427bigblockvette
08-31-2009, 05:38 AM
"build it and they will come"
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bkhpah
08-31-2009, 06:01 AM
Sometimes I wonder what if the internet was around in 1965, would ANY Yenko/SC cars be sold? I have heard plenty of stories about unhappy new owners and their cars. Yenko's name would most likely have been trashed before the 427 Camaros hit the streets. SCW/Arone were asked to be part of this project a while ago. If anyone thinks that repainting these cars is a great windfall for anyone, think again. At this point we have ONE car that is being talked about in Hugger Orange. Just how many cars will be color change cars is a guess, but I doubt many will be. I really don't think ANYONE will mistake a 2010 Yenko commemorative car with the originals. But what's the problem with a owner that wants this type of car? A 700 HP turnkey Camaro honoring Yenko is a good thing to me. Just like the 67,68,69, and 81 cars, few will be built. It was clear to me that before this project was even announced, there would be great support, along with negative comments. That's just the way it goes. To each his own opinion..BKH http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Stefano
08-31-2009, 06:03 AM
Tom Clary/the Clary family are paying customers. No one from the Clary family has ever asked us for anything for themselves.
In fact, my experience has shown that they have willingly paid to help others on numerous occasions.
DarrenX33
08-31-2009, 06:16 AM
As I continue to follow this post I certainly hope that no one has mistaken what I have said as words of discouragement for this project. My single comment was intended as a compliment to the SCW team as I think that their impact in the hobby is so strong that a new car from Brian and Co. would surely be something to be seen. If my posts are out of line then Tom please remove them.
DarrenX33
08-31-2009, 06:19 AM
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I didn't call Sam, Darren or any one else, but my wife as well as some paid business and legal advisors prior to legally purchasing the rights to "Nickey", resigning my corporate job and setting out to try and bring back a brand name in the Super Car and Hi-Performance parts business. I also haven't asked for their opinions regarding my current business plan.
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Darren, no problem.
I knew from the get go not everyone would approve of the project, and expected some negative feedback. I will admit however I was a little surprised by a couple of posts.
The majoirty of us on here are "family", so even if we disagree, I ask that when posting, we respect each other's opinions and remember all of us have feelings.
427bigblockvette
08-31-2009, 06:35 AM
I had the pleasure of experiencing the high performance solid lift building at Carlisle this year and can tell you this, it was one of the most exciting and impressive car venues I have ever attended at Carlisle. Hopefully we will be able to see one of these SCW "color change" 700 hp 2010 commemorative Yenkos at next years GM Nationals at Carlisle http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
427.060
08-31-2009, 06:41 AM
I want to apologize to Tom and everyone else for the comments I made. I guess I didn't read everything posted here and assumed a few things that I shouldn't have. I stepped over the line. While I still don't totally agree with using the Yenko name I want to wish everyone luck in this venture. Please feel free to delete the earlier post I made. Once again, I'm sorry.
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Hum..a matched pair of HO Yenkos would be kind of cool. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
GenOne
08-31-2009, 06:46 AM
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Les Quam
08-31-2009, 06:53 AM
To clarify and respond to some of the total BS and uncalled for negative comments.
This forum and the sYc club Tom started with the WRITTEN permission of the Yenko family is and always has been a NOT FOR PROFIT business entity based out of Missouri. It is to the best of my knowledge the only organization the rightful owners to the Yenko intellectual property rights that being the Yenko heirs have ever authorized to use the Yenko name. It exists only to provide an accurate data base and create a tribute to the cars Don Yenko built.
It is similar to the Shelby American Auto Club (SAAC) in that it has a data base for determining the history and accuracy of cars claiming to be original Yenko's. But differs in that SAAC is I believe a for profit entity and the operators make a good living off SAAC and they of course earn every penny more power to them.
But for some to imply Tom is going to get rich or profit to any degree off these 2010 tribute cars is just using their freedom of speech rights to be harmful to people who volunteer their time both on this forum and off so that we can enjoy our so called super cars. Some of you really need to do some homework before you take these kinds of shots.
Seems one of the concerns in regards to the 2010 Yenko Camaro project is who will profit from it. Well, as BKH pointed, most likely no one, at least to any great extent. But I do appreciate those who have voiced their concerns, stating that they feel that the Yenko family should be entitled to something, which I agree, 100%.
So. I ask that you take this concern one step farther, asking such folks as Mr. Barber, ClassicAutomotive on here, the one who marketed the ’69 continuation Yenko Camaro, how much his company has sent the Yenko family’s way. On a much bigger note, through the years, Classic Camaro/General Marketing Capital has registered the Yenko name for many, many products. Ask Mr. Barber, who has been their spokesperson on here, how much the Yenko family receives from Yenko merchandise they market.
And something that very well could affect all who are part of the sYc. General Marketing has just recently registered sYc for use on several products, including t-shirts, with out the club’s knowledge, nor permission. How many of you out there have helped support the sYc through the purchase of a sYc t-shirt, cap or other club merchandise? Because the sYc operates on a very tight budget, the loss of these types of sales will be critical. Our sponsors, as well as a few other folks, pay a small fee to be associated with the club, using the sYc logo to show their support of the club, once again a blow to the club if we prevented, or at least limited, in how we can use the sYc mark.
Kim_Howie
08-31-2009, 06:29 PM
Doing a little checking boys. Classic camaro AKA Classic Industries is one and the same. They currently have 172 YENKO items for sale!!!! So how much is going to the Yenko Family??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif
Classic Automotive
08-31-2009, 07:36 PM
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Seems one of the concerns in regards to the 2010 Yenko Camaro project is who will profit from it. Well, as BKH pointed, most likely no one, at least to any great extent. But I do appreciate those who have voiced their concerns, stating that they feel that the Yenko family should be entitled to something, which I agree, 100%.
So. I ask that you take this concern one step farther, asking such folks as Mr. Barber, ClassicAutomotive on here, the one who marketed the ’69 continuation Yenko Camaro, how much his company has sent the Yenko family’s way. On a much bigger note, through the years, Classic Camaro/General Marketing Capital has registered the Yenko name for many, many products. Ask Mr. Barber, who has been their spokesperson on here, how much the Yenko family receives from Yenko merchandise they market.
And something that very well could affect all who are part of the sYc. General Marketing has just recently registered sYc for use on several products, including t-shirts, with out the club’s knowledge, nor permission. How many of you out there have helped support the sYc through the purchase of a sYc t-shirt, cap or other club merchandise? Because the sYc operates on a very tight budget, the loss of these types of sales will be critical. Our sponsors, as well as a few other folks, pay a small fee to be associated with the club, using the sYc logo to show their support of the club, once again a blow to the club if we prevented, or at least limited, in how we can use the sYc mark.
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king_midas
08-31-2009, 07:50 PM
All of Carroll Shelby's blood has been replaced with Z-Max...
Slapping Yenko stickers on the new Camullet will only move it into the grave even faster than it will get there itself.
You can't go on living in the past.
Sad but true.
sixtiesmuscle
08-31-2009, 08:07 PM
Can't we stick a fork in this one?
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Seems one of the concerns in regards to the 2010 Yenko Camaro project is who will profit from it. Well, as BKH pointed, most likely no one, at least to any great extent. But I do appreciate those who have voiced their concerns, stating that they feel that the Yenko family should be entitled to something, which I agree, 100%.
So. I ask that you take this concern one step farther, asking such folks as Mr. Barber, ClassicAutomotive on here, the one who marketed the ’69 continuation Yenko Camaro, how much his company has sent the Yenko family’s way. On a much bigger note, through the years, Classic Camaro/General Marketing Capital has registered the Yenko name for many, many products. Ask Mr. Barber, who has been their spokesperson on here, how much the Yenko family receives from Yenko merchandise they market.
And something that very well could affect all who are part of the sYc. General Marketing has just recently registered sYc for use on several products, including t-shirts, with out the club’s knowledge, nor permission. How many of you out there have helped support the sYc through the purchase of a sYc t-shirt, cap or other club merchandise? Because the sYc operates on a very tight budget, the loss of these types of sales will be critical. Our sponsors, as well as a few other folks, pay a small fee to be associated with the club, using the sYc logo to show their support of the club, once again a blow to the club if we prevented, or at least limited, in how we can use the sYc mark.
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Kim_Howie
08-31-2009, 08:28 PM
Sounds good Mike I am Done. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
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