67 SS RS 396 4 SPEED PACE CAR

[sappy787]

Recently bought a 67 SS RS 396 4 SPEED PACE CAR.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[sappy787]

Trying to post a picture but says file is to big !!

[sappy787]

It was a one owner Camaro .

[JChlupsa]

send me the pictures and i can re-size it and post it for you

[sappy787]

Pictures sent. Thanks

[mockingbird812]

How come you haven't posted the pix yet Jeff!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[sappy787]

I got an email from Helmut Eckert and he said he would post. ??

[sappy787]

i tried to reformat pictures and still can post. I have some sweet original pictures of interior when new, car with decals still on fresh off the car lot in Texas.

[67L78conv]

Feel free to send them to me, I make a living doing this stuff so I can resize, etc. for you very quickly. Will PM you the e-mail would love to see them.

[L78M22Rag]

Sorry for the delay... got busy at work today.

Here it is back in it's prime...
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg155/helmuteckert/img013.jpg

Here it is today...
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg155/helmuteckert/000_2631.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg155/helmuteckert/000_2632.jpg

[iluv69s]

Congrats on a cooolllll carrrrrr !!!! i guess the hideaways were not working early on..and that's why GM switched to the vacuum hideaways...and are they the "simulated mags" in that original pic?..dig the red stripes...cool color pic...

So what is the story on the original owner buying the car ..and keeping it so long?? If you don't mind my asking...I just think that is one of the coolest parts of a car like this !!

Thanks for sharing.... Max

[427TJ]

Looks like a drum-brake car with N96 covers. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Xplantdad]

I thought that you had to get front disc brakes with a big block 67 Camaro? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[rafbody]

The only 67 Camaro that required front disc brakes was the Z/28. Disc brakes were optional but not required on any other 67 Camaro.

http://www.camaros.org/suspen.shtml#Brakes

[427TJ]

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I thought that you had to get front disc brakes with a big block 67 Camaro? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Bruce, mine has drums. Also, in '67 the disc option required the Rally ("Disc Brake") wheel, like your brother's Camaro. From '68-on it didn't--you could get steelies with hubcaps/wheelcovers on disc cars and the Rally wheel became an option, I think on all cars drum or disc.

[BARNFOUND YENKO]

To get a bigblock i believe you had to order the SS package which included discbrakes. No factory bigblocks with drumbrakes. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Zedder]

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To get a bigblock i believe you had to order the SS package which included discbrakes. No factory bigblocks with drumbrakes. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Absolutely false about SS cars requiring disc brakes!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Bill Pritchard]

SS package did not include disc brakes until 1969.

[427.060]

Same with Chevelles. Disc were an option on the 67 and 68 SS and part of the 69 and up SS package. The 67 and 68 had 4 piston calipers.
James

[427TJ]

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To get a bigblock i believe you had to order the SS package which included discbrakes. No factory bigblocks with drumbrakes. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Absolutely false about SS cars requiring disc brakes!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

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Mine (below) is a 4N/Th400 with power drum brakes.

[427TJ]

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Someone commented that the light doors were not working in this photo. I think on mine if I turn the engine off with the lights on the doors stay open. Then, when the key's off and I switch-off the lights, the lights go out but the doors remain open. I'll have to go check that. I think the photo depicts a "normal" condition.

[firstgenaddict]

My 43 k mile 68 RS/SS 396 had drum brakes as well...

[sappy787]

I was at a car show with my 69 RS. I parked and got my lawn chair and was sitting by my car. There was an older lady sitting on the ground next to me. She commented on my ar being a very nice car. I told her thanks I love my car I only wish it was convertible.

[sappy787]

She paused and then said my brother who is ill has a 67 convertible and he bought it new in 1967 from a dealer in Texas. She said he told her it was on the show room floor and had just rolled off he delivery truck.

[sappy787]

I didnt think much as I figured it was a plain convertible. Her husband showed up a little later and I brought the camaro convertible back up. He says oh yes it has a 396 and its a true 4 speed. Needless to say they now have my attention. He mentioned someone offered them 9k a couple years ago. So they just left it in a garage hid from her brother who was fighting Ahltimers Disease. She said he tried to drive it to Colorade a few years earlier and got lost

[sappy787]

A few days later I went and looked at the car. They put a new battery in it and fired it up. No smoke or knocks and it sounded damn good. I knew I had to have the car. I had no idea about the pace car thing. I saw it as a 396 convertible 4 speed. I bought it that day and drove it home. I started trying to decode the cowl tag & vin and couldn't decode L181A. I emailed CRG and they congratulated me on having a 67 Indy pace replica.

[sappy787]

I WILL POST THE REST OF THAT STORY IF YOU ARE INTERESTED !!

I DONT WANT TO BORE YOU AND TAKE TO MUCH MORE SPACE.

Dave

[sappy787]

Did you notice the pace car decals still on the car in the first picture?

[sappy787]

Mike (67L78conv )

I emailed a couple more pictures to the yahoo email address you have listed on here.

Thanks
Dave

[lwkitt427]

COOL FIND I HAVE TO GET OUT MORE AD START LOOKING BEEN SO BUSY WIHT WORK NO TIME TO GO ANY SHOWS OR ANYTHING ELSE LATLEY

[67L78conv]

Got them, hope you do not mind, I cleaned them up a bit to compensate for the faded colors and what not in the two older ones. That is one sweet ride, been following the thread when I have time on the PC site. Great story and info, pics are spectacular, bore us with every detail you want, I know I will read it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

http://www.chevroletcamaros.com/images/posts/67PC1968pic.jpg

http://www.chevroletcamaros.com/images/posts/67PCinterior.jpg

http://www.chevroletcamaros.com/images/posts/67PCtrunk.jpg

For some of the comments earlier the Z was specified for Disc and the L35 and other 396's were drums but could be upgraded to disc. In 67 when you ordered disc brakes there was no option but to get the rally wheels as there were clearance issues with the current steel rims and they did not re-engineer and offer them up for the Camaro for the 67 model year, later they would become an option. Links to the GM letters/announcements are listed below. For the Z the disc brake info is on page 2, the L35 and L78 do not listed as an upgrade for disc as it was not offered in base trim but again could be ordered with them as an option.

67 Z28 Specifications Letter (http://www.chevroletcamaros.com/pages/gmpaperwork/internalpapers/1967z28engspecs1.html)

67 L35 Camaro Follow up Bulletin and Specs (http://www.chevroletcamaros.com/pages/gmpaperwork/internalpapers/bulletin121666pg1.html)

67 L78 Camaro Intro Letter and Specs (http://www.chevroletcamaros.com/pages/gmpaperwork/internalpapers/letter031767pg1.html)

[Xplantdad]

Thanks for clearing that up for me...LOL

Shows how much I know. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Sorry for the confusion http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Really cool Pace Car!

[69 Post Sedan]

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Did you notice the pace car decals still on the car in the first picture?

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[sappy787]

Merle had the Camaro towed from Colorado to Iowa. Iowa is where he is living now. He told the mechanic the car didnt sound right and he wanted it gone thru. The mechanic said Merle told him it was a pace car he bought in Texas while in the miliary.

[sappy787]

Merle said he and a friend went to the dealership and the car had just rolled in and was being put on the showroom floor. He inquired and was told initially the car wasn't for sale. Teh salesman advised it was a display car for a new Chevy promo. Merle said he stayed persistent and they ended up charging him an additional fee to buy it. I dont recall what the mechanic said but it was some sort of a special fee he agreed to pay to get the car. That fee was above and beyond the invoice price.

[sappy787]

He said Merle also agreed on some sort of contract that he would leave the decalls on the car for a period of time. The mechanic didnt recall for how long. Merle told the mechanic it was a special car and he would never part with it. Merle told the mechanic he was to leave the decals on for twom months but took them off after a month. Thats why te picture with the decalls has to be when the car was NEW.

[sappy787]

Merle's familt has confirmed the mechanics story. He was in college and a military officer going thru pilot training when he got the car.

[BARNFOUND YENKO]

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Thanks for clearing that up for me...LOL

Shows how much I know. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Sorry for the confusion http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Really cool Pace Car!

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Same here, I had 69 on the brain as well. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[sappy787]

The car was bought new at Benson Chevrolet in Texas.

[427TJ]

Last point on '67 disc vs. drums:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Y-Net%20Photos/DanaChevrolet1967NewCamaros.jpg

The car in the foreground has drums, thus the FC wheels and, in this case, P01 wheel covers. The second car has discs and thus the Disc Brake wheels. The SS427 Impala also has discs, as can be clearly seen. Dana Chevrolet, 1967.

[FESTIVAL78]

The first 67 in the picture above has Firestone D-70 14 Wide Oval Redlines....
The second 67 has Goodyear Speedway Widetreads in D-70 14! Not because of the rally wheel option just because Goodyear was the little known second vendor in both plants ( see how close the redline is to the rim bead comparatively)...FYI

[sappy787]

50k

[Zedder]

50k what?

[al8apex]

50k is what you will sell it for or $50k is what you paid for it?

[Zedder]

or 50K miles...

or what comes after 49k? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[iluv69s]

50k pm's asking if he wants to sell it...

I even got a PM asking if I wanted to sell this car....believe it or not...hehe

[sappy787]

I thought I was answerig on a PM. (Sorry)

I had several PM asking if I wanted to sell. Someone asked if I had any offers and I was answering someone offered me 50k.

[sappy787]

OOPS (answering) Its late !!

[sappy787]

S O L D

[Chateau Slate 66]

I guess that's one way around the site's ad policies.

[quick-bowtie]

Nice fishing expedition I would have paid more than 50K.. you should have put up forsale in the classifeds..

[Zedder]

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Nice fishing expedition I would have paid more than 50K.. you should have put up forsale in the classifeds..

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Really...even with a decked block?

[sappy787]

Turns out both sets of numbers were on pad.

cha-ching

[sappy787]

Helps when you get an expert to buy something. Even a sweet find inside back passenger seat !!

[Zedder]

Interesting...seems the mechanic that remembered decking the block like it was yesterday didn't have such a good memory?


http://camaropacecars.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1490019733/m/337108082/p/2

Nice comments on this site on the second last page of your thread http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[sappy787]

Well to perfectly honest. I have had many nice old cars but had never bothered to join any sites.

This whole BB pace car thing was a accident anyway. So I figured I would give the site a chance. ( This post is not to all members as some are very helpful and just appreciate a rare car)> But some such as Zeddler have other thoughts)

I ended up being suprised at how many busy bodies such as yourself that are just out to get info, buy or just out to pick a car apart.

I was too quick to post pictures and give info. It didnt take long for the emails trying buy and people like you who just wanted to pick the car apart.

So today is the end of posting any info or trying to get any. So I figure emails will stop with posting it is SOLD !!

Goodbye & Goodluck !!

[Zedder]

You must have me confused with someone else, I have never contacted you about your car, never offered to buy it, and never posted anything about your car other than the comments that I made in this thead. I just found it interesting to see how you were so bummed on the Pace Car site that the motor was decked and now it was all a big mistake. Those who have been around long enough have a pretty good idea of what you are up to...in fact, we think it's quite amusing. Don't let the door hit you in the @#$ on the way out http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[sappy787]

Lol.
You were one of the first to make an offer maybe I still have the PM from you... You are funny !! But oh well NOT FOR SALE !! Hint Hint !! NOT FOR SALE !!

[sappy787]

Email QUOTE Zeddler : I guess you have recieved a lot of questions. I collect camaro's if you want to sell it or have questions feel free to email. I have been looking for a 67 pace car.

dated: 10/07 Hmm !! Someone must of had access to your email.

[sappy787]

Another ZEDDLER Quote straight from your own home page:

I think all car nuts have a "Dream Car List" of the special cars that they would hope to own one day and I am no different. Although there are probably a dozen that I wish I could acquire, I have tried to be realistic based on my expected financial situation in the foreseeable future and have narrowed down my list to 3 very special cars. In no particular order, they are: '67 Z-28 Camaro, '67 Camaro Indy Pace Car, and a '70 SS454 LS6 Chevelle. If I become rich and famous one day http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif, then I'd like to also add the following: '67 L36 Corvette, '67 RS/SS396 L78 Camaro, and a '70 LT-1 Corvette. If you happen to own one of these special cars that you'd like to pass along to another enthusiast or know of one for sale, please contact me.


Wow funny that says a 67 pace car in there. It must be all me making this stuff up.

Honestly people like you with the stupid emails is what soured me on ever posting anything again..,

[Zedder]

That is too funny! You are a Police officer and you are outright lying in a public domain. I give any moderator on this site permission to access my PM's to prove that this is a complete fabrication on your part. Will you do the same Snappy?

As many know I haven't updated my website in years and no longer "collect" Camaros. I am looking for a nice '67 SS, not a Pace Car...and if I were looking for one, it would be a Festival car with docs and the "real" original motor...no one that has been fabricated like your stories here. I even wonder if ol' Merle is a figment of your imagination also? Please, we see what you are up to and know why you came here trying to sell your car...now that your work is done, stop making a fool of yourself and move along...

If you are so sure that I sent you an email, please forward it to any moderator on this site. Keep it intact so that my ISP can be seen - don't fabricate another cut and paste story like you did above. I can assure you that doesn't exist either...just like the numbers on your block!!!

Mods, I am serious about giving permision for you to access any of my PM's from this site. I'd love for all to see what a liar this guy is.

[sappy787]

Can you read between the lines.

Hint Hint : Its not for sale !!

I posted it was sold to stop getting emails.

Doesnt matter my last post here !!

[Zedder]

Oh I get it now, you lied about that too. That makes perfect sense coming from you! You've made my afternoon Snappy...thanks for a ton of laughs and best of luck on your resto...LOL!!! I look forward to more of your posts on both sites. Have you joined Team Camaro yet??????????

[sappy787]

Just like your last post you arent able to say anyhing but knocks against the car. Thats why between buyers and people like you only feeling good when you are knocking on someone elses car.

Later

[sappy787]

It's not my fault you can't find or afford a BB pace car.

Good luck on your search for a $10,000 pace car !!

[Zedder]

Actually, I thought it was a great car. I wouldn't have paid $50K for it before your fabrications and certainly wouldn't pay $25K for it now that I question everything you've posted about it...

Man, you are killing me Snappy! And now I've emailed you my net worth statement too http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[sappy787]

NOT FOR SALE !!~

[sappy787]

Dated pictures and notorized documents from Original 1 owner and documents from Origianal car dealership speak for themselves !!

[Zedder]

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Email QUOTE Zeddler : I guess you have recieved a lot of questions. I collect camaro's if you want to sell it or have questions feel free to email. I have been looking for a 67 pace car.

dated: 10/07 Hmm !! Someone must of had access to your
ail.

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I should also point out that if that quoted email was from me, I would have spelled "received" correctly, capitalized Camaro, and would have used the correct plural form for more than one Camaro - Camaros, not the possessive form. I would have capitalized Pace Car probably too http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[sappy787]

I will admit I made a mistake:

I just went to my deleted emails to check on what was sent. The main pain in my email box came from London, Ontario, I have had way to many emails and I thought some were yours.

I thought you were that person from Canada.

MY MISTAKE.

No more posts from me.

[Zedder]

Thanks, I appreciate you clearing that up.

[sappy787]

I'm sorry for putting your name out there:

It was clearly not ZEDDLER /

My bad

[Zedder]

Appology accepted...would you like to sell your car?

Sorry, I just couldn't resist http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[sappy787]

LoL

Honestly thats funny !!

Bye the way !!

IT IS NOT FOR SALE AND I WILL BE THE 2ND OWNER FOR A LONG LONG TIME !!

[Zedder]

Good for you...take a step back and then hang out with those Pace Car guys...most of them are pretty decent fellows.

[TXSS]

Now that's funny http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif