New Pure Stock car added to the team

[mfchassisworks]

We just picked up the new pure stocker to add the F.A.S.T. 69 Camaro.
1968 Hemi RoadRunner auto. Galen inspected. Radio, heater and tach delete car. QQ1 BLUE. Silver and black taxi cab int. Bench on the column. With 6400 orig documented miles. Complete born with drivetrain and tires!

Can we get some thoughts on running this car with the original engine?

Don't worry we we won't use the tires!

Here is link to some photos: I could email them to someone to post if anyone wants.

http://www.runboard.com/bfastracingmessageboard.f9.t970

[njsteve]

Build an engine around a different block. The 1970 and later high-nickel content blocks (and the new ones, even more so) are a lot stronger.

And losing the original block would be a really bad thing.

[Xplantdad]

Very cool RoadRunner!

[MultiMopars]

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Build an engine around a different block. The 1970 and later high-nickel content blocks (and the new ones, even more so) are a lot stronger.

And losing the original block would be a really bad thing.

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I totally agree.

Your value on that car will drop dramatically if you lose the original engine, and if you decide to sell the car you have options. The new buyer may want to continue to race it. If not and they want the original engine back in the car, there is always a market for a used built Hemi.

Not to mention if you are going to try and be competitive with Dave Dudek's Hemi RR in F.A.S.T. you have to totally rebuild the original engine and do some SERIOUS modifications.
The rumor is that the best running 44o six pack car in F.A.S.T. is running 14:1 compression. I would not take the chance of doing that to the original engine. If you want to keep the original engine consider PURE STOCK rather than F.A.S.T. I would still take it apart and blueprint it. The stock type tires are definately the FUSE for these cars in both venues. This is not nearly as hard on them as dumping the clutch at 6K with big slick that hook and send a super shock throughout every componant in the car. However, with a stock cam required in PURE STOCK it will limit your RPMs and possible harm to the original engine. Still taking a chance.

I have a 1966 1 of 11 Hemi car that has a BUILT NHRA stock spec 1966 date code Hemi (they did not put the V.I.N. on them in 1966 so it is considered the original engine for this car)in it. If it was a V.I.N.ed engine to the car I DEFINATELY would have bought a second engine.

BTW, my car is for sale and offered in the classified secton here considering trades.

[Smokey]

Is there snow in Canada already???

[mfchassisworks]

Don't let the snow fool you! those shots were from earlier this year. We have 69 Camaro to run with Dave in the FAST class. This car is for Pure Stock/ Factory Stock. 1968 Cars don't have a vin on the block. It just date codes.

[njsteve]

As for the VIN not being there, it depends on the build date of the car. The new Federal VIN law came into effect in the middle of 1968. So the factory actually handstamped the VINs on the top of the bellhousing flange of the engines that went onto the end-of-model-year cars to comply with the new law. You may not have looked there yet. Look in the area where the oil pressure sending unit screws into the block. That outer flange area was where they stamped the VINs. I've seen some 1968 stampings that were half on the block and half on the trans bellhousing.

[CC Rider]

What a beauty! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

I hate snow.

[MultiMopars]

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As for the VIN not being there, it depends on the build date of the car. . The new Federal VIN law came into effect in the middle of 1968. So the factory actually handstamped the VINs on the top of the bellhousing flange of the engines that went onto the end-of-model-year cars to comply with the new law. You may not have looked there yet. Look in the area where the oil pressure sending unit screws into the block. That outer flange area was where they stamped the VINs. I've seen some 1968 stampings that were half on the block and half on the trans bellhousing.

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Your right about the location. Many people don't know to look for it there as in 1969 it change locations. However it was a hit and miss thing THROUGHOUT the year as to the V.I.N. getting stamped. if it is an auto trans car it will have the same stamping of the V.I.N. on the trans flange directly next to the engine. Also I don't believe it was Fed. law that REQUIRED the V.I.N.s being stamped but rather a request from the insurance companies.

[wheelhop]

I agree with what's already been said. Put the original motor on a stand and build a replacement motor for the FAST class.

[mfchassisworks]

The car was delivered 67

[Verne_Frantz]

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As for the VIN not being there, it depends on the build date of the car. The new Federal VIN law came into effect in the middle of 1968. So the factory actually handstamped the VINs on the top of the bellhousing flange of the engines that went onto the end-of-model-year cars to comply with the new law. You may not have looked there yet. Look in the area where the oil pressure sending unit screws into the block. That outer flange area was where they stamped the VINs. I've seen some 1968 stampings that were half on the block and half on the trans bellhousing.

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Somehow I think only you would know that Steve. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[njsteve]

Thanks Verne. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

It was a hit or miss thing as said above. Chrysler was kind of scratching there heads on the where and how of adding the VINs to the engines so they just started stamping them across the top of the back of the assembled drivetrain. That's why you find them on the block, on the block and trans, even on the trans only in that top spot. It wasn't til 69 that the process was formalized with the VINs put on the machined boss of the block, near the oil pan.

But either way, build another block and save that one! It's too valuable to risk.

[Steven J]

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I agree with what's already been said. Put the original motor on a stand and build a replacement motor for the FAST class.

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He is not running in the F.A.S.T. class

[MultiMopars]

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I agree with what's already been said. Put the original motor on a stand and build a replacement motor for the FAST class.

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He is not running in the F.A.S.T. class

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Yeah, the OP straightened that out. It was a little confusing in his original post.

If you go to my original post it was something I suggested based on what he has, but better to be safe than sorry, I would still build a 2nd engine.

Nice car BTW.

[mfchassisworks]

Thanks guys! It might get a few passes on the original engine. We have another engine for it. It was kinda nice knowing a car is ready to race next year in NOV!! Oh well...

We are getting a photo shoot done on the car in the near future. More pix to come.

[njsteve]

A real problem with the hemis was the oiling. The pump can empty the contents of the oil pan into the valve covers a lot faster than the single drain back holes in the back of the head can feed the oil back down to the pan. (And under acceleration the only drainbacks available will be the rear drain holes). Also the 66-69 pans held at least a quart less oil than the 70-71 pans. If you have to go with a stock pan I'd upgrade to the 70-71 style and get a lower volume pump.

[MultiMopars]

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A real problem with the hemis was the oiling. The pump can empty the contents of the oil pan into the valve covers a lot faster than the single drain back holes in the back of the head can feed the oil back down to the pan. (And under acceleration the only drainbacks available will be the rear drain holes). Also the 66-69 pans held at least a quart less oil than the 70-71 pans. If you have to go with a stock pan I'd upgrade to the 70-71 style and get a lower volume pump.

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This is true.

There are also some oiling upgrades that were created by the old racers when these cars were new that should be considered. I may have a copy of them saved. If you are interested I will look for them.

[x Baldwin Motion]

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What a beauty! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

I hate snow.

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Agree X2

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/ktownracing/68hemirunnermain02.jpg

[442w30]

In the website whose link you've provided, you state:

Eugene and I are on the return trip picking up his new baby. 1968 HEMI RR auto. Galen inspected this 1 of 1 radio, heater and tach delete car. QQ1 Blue. Silver w black taxi cab ,bench on the column. And oh ya. 6000 original documented miles. With complete Born with drivetrain. And original tires. Pix to follow.

You aren't aware EVERY Mopar is 1 of 1? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[njsteve]

Keep in mind with Mopars, if you didn't order it with an option, they didn't build it with the option. The tachometer was definitely an extra cost item, so was the radio and most likely the heater, too. So they are not deleted items. It's kinda like saying a 6 cyl Satellite has a hemi delete option. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Awesome car by the way. I love that QQ color. Have you run it yet?

[MultiMopars]

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Keep in mind with Mopars, if you didn't order it with an option, they didn't build it with the option. The tachometer was definitely an extra cost item, so was the radio and most likely the heater, too. So they are not deleted items. It's kinda like saying a 6 cyl Satellite has a hemi delete option. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Awesome car by the way. I love that QQ color. Have you run it yet?

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I was just about to write a similar post.

I really gets me to see the term "radio delete" because of what you just stated. It was an option, you don't "delete" it, you just don't ORDER it. The heater WAS standard equipment so you could delete "it."

Yeah, everyone thinks they have a 1 of 1 when it comes to Mopars. Galen Govier is guilty of promoting this because he keeps a registry of KNOWN BY HIM cars that he gives statistics of how many of them are optioned as such and MAY be 1 of 1 KNOWN BY HIM. He certainly does not have all the KNOWN cars in his registry.

As I said earlier this is a NICE car, however the 1968 Hemi RR was the single largest number model car with Hemis installed at the factory of ALL cars built with a factory Hemi.

[mfchassisworks]

Really the cool part about the car is the low miles, perhaps the lowest 1968?. I've heard there is a 69 with fewer miles. I have some cool DAY2 pictures of the car in race trim. Stickers and all!! I will post them soon. Also It was ordered with 4.56 in the trunk.

[MultiMopars]

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Really the cool part about the car is the low miles, perhaps the lowest 1968?. I've heard there is a 69 with fewer miles. I have some cool DAY2 pictures of the car in race trim. Stickers and all!! I will post them soon. Also It was ordered with 4.56 in the trunk.

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Maybe.

My 66 Hemi car had 3661 miles on it when I bought it. It had never been titled and was bought new to race.

The 4.56s make sense for racing as the standard gears for a Hemi were 3.23s for an auto car and 3.54s for a 4 speed. No other gears available in a 68 factory installed. 1969 started with all the factory packages that could get you as low as 4.10s.

My 66 has 4.56s also and these cars definately need gears, distributor recurve, carb tweaking for Pure Stock. The Hemis have the advantage of the closest thing to headers with their factory stock manifolds.

Good luck.

[442w30]

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Keep in mind with Mopars, if you didn't order it with an option, they didn't build it with the option. The tachometer was definitely an extra cost item, so was the radio and most likely the heater, too. So they are not deleted items. It's kinda like saying a 6 cyl Satellite has a hemi delete option. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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My tongue was in my cheek, as there's no way to figure out if a car is 1 of 1 except in rare circumstances. Looking at the big picture, this car doesn't seem terribly unique other than being a nice Hemi RR.