Ouch, my poor Z28

[TimG]

I let my son take the Z28 for a ride last night to go get his girlfriend. He was driving on a street downtown that doesn't have protected left hand turns. Some young girl in a Chevy Cobolt turned in front of him and BANG.

I tried to attach a picture, but it's too big. It would make you sick anyway.

Everyone was OK, but the front end of the car is hurt pretty bad. I'm sure it's repairable, especially since it's an original engine car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[CC Rider]

Sorry to hear this. Hope you can get it fixed quickly and correctly.

[olredalert]

------Oh Tim,,,So sorry to hear. Glad there was no human damage though........Bill S

[Kim_Howie]

Main thing is that everybody is O.K. You can replace the car but not the occupants.

[Mr70]

"Some young girl in a Chevy Cobolt turned in front of him and BANG."

Was she texting? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
On coming traffic has the right of way.It's up to her to yield,not your son.So sorry to hear this happened. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[al8apex]

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I let my son take the Z28 for a ride last night to go get his girlfriend. He was driving on a street downtown that doesn't have protected left hand turns. Some young girl in a Chevy Cobolt turned in front of him and BANG.



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what is a "protected" left hand turn? a left turn arrow for the clueless that can't tell when it is ok to turn? ie no traffic? or is it one of those angled lanes especially for left turns?

I sure hope SHE got a ticket for failure to yield right of way ...

as stated above, sheet metal doesn't bleed (only $$$), fortunately everyone was ok

Now comes the grueling task of dealing with insurance companies. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[TimG]

This street downtown only has green lights, no left turn arrow or left turn lane. Being a young driver, she was used to turning left with a green light thinking the oncomming traffic would stop.
The Austin police don't ticket after an accident, I asked them to do it, but they refused. The girl admitted to turning in front of him and two witnesses stated that both directions had a green light and she should have yielded.
If she has minimum limits, it won't cover the damage.

[MosportGreen66]

Send me the photos Tim. I'll gladly post them.
Some young teen girl hit my e28 BMW... when will they learn?

-Dan
[email protected]

[mockingbird812]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/sYc%20site/SmashedZ.jpg

[DarrenX33]

So sorry to hear that Tim. Glad everyone is ok though. Don't post a pic, I don't think my stomach can take it.

[Dave Rifkin]

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I think I just threw up; I remember seeing the feature on that car and could not beleive how nice it was. I am real sorry to hear about the car but, it could have always been worse.

[TimG]

Thanks for posting guys. You all got a double dose of nausea for Monday morning. If the car is totaled, I don’t have an interest in the salvage, if not I’ll probably take the money and sell the car as is. I would hope that it will be repaired and put on the road again, I just don’t have an interest in doing that.

That's my son filling in the information for the report. He feels horrible even though he wasn't at fault.

[x Baldwin Motion]

Sorry about the car, but like everyone said, glad nobody was hurt!

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Glad everyone is ok, man thats a real shame.
Brings tears to my eyes.

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[SuperNovaSS]

What a bummer. If they salvage the car it would even be more of a bummer. It looks bad, but not terrible.


Jason

[DarrenX33]

Oh lord I just saw the picture. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[mfchassisworks]

Wow! Glad everyone is Ok Tim. The poor car. Im sick. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[njsteve]

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The Austin police don't ticket after an accident, I asked them to do it, but they refused.

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WTF? So do they ticket before an accident, then?

I would call the Prosecutor's Office and bring it up with them. Based upon the interviews of the victim (your son) the witnesses, and the other driver, it's an obvious failure to yield right of way violation.

Based on the value of this car and the damage done to it, this is quite a serious situation and it will save a lot of hassles in the insurance debate to follow.

I would also go around to all the businesses there immediately and see if they have any surviellance video of that intersection. Given the locality I can bet the accident was caught on someone's outside surveillance camera. If there is a bank at that corner you can bet there's a camera, even an inside camera can catch the street action through the window. But do this fast as sometimes they recycle their tapes and don't save them.

[VIPERICH]

glad your son is okay/the car looks bad but im sure youll figure what is rite for you/fixing selling ect/im just real glad were not talking about your son being hurt/skin isnt repaired as easy as sheet metal/good luck friend

[mockingbird812]

Tim - I'm curious, was yr son wearing his lap belt AND shoulder harness? Do you know the approx. closure rate?

[AutoInsane]

I would have cried... hell I think I did just shed a tear....

[mmcporter]

wow - not much to be said here that hasn't already been said... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[Jeff H]

Wow, I can't believe a Cobalt did that much damage to a solid old car! But looking at it, it could just be front subframe damage which can be swapped out(hopefully). How are the doors and firewall? And I'm glad nobody was hurt.

[SuperNovaSS]

Subframe damage? Really? It looks like sheetmetal to me from the picture.


Jason

[firstgenaddict]

My brother's 73 Z was sitting in a parking lot and a lady hit the gas jumped a curb and Tboned it above the rocker... it put the pass door all the way to the console, back then we just stripped it and took it to the crusher.
That car is easily repairable, just negotiate the return of the vehicle with the settlement.
I'm astounded that min coverages wouldn't be 75-100k.

[njsteve]

Do you have an agreed value policy on the car? Who is your insurance carrier for the Z?

[x Baldwin Motion]

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Do you have an agreed value policy on the car? Who is your insurance carrier for the Z?

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Yes, now that the dust has settled and everyone is OK, this is what classic car owners need to know. If you could share the process of the claim with us it will be helpful to others who may need to reevaluate their coverage. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[wundercluck]

Wow Tim, Sorry to hear about the car but at least nobody got hurt. My wife and I were in Austin last weekend- she had to work at the convention center while I checked out your lovely city on Saturday http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif The building in the background looks like the Residence inn where we stayed- and is that Eddie V's restaurant just in front of it?

[TimG]

My son had on his lap belt only and was going about 30 to 35 when he colided with the little Chevy. It appears that the other carrier is ready to accept liability, they took both drivers statements and the young girl admitted to turning in front of the Z28. The roof is buckled a bit and the passenger door isn’t bent, but it has no gap between the rear and the quarter panel. The drag link is bent, but the controll arms look good. All the bumper braces are shot and the radiator is shoved into the engine. The engine is fine and didn’t move.
Good idea about the surverlence cameras. I’ll check. Thanks for all the support, I appreciate it. I would rather be paid for the car and move on, there appears to be lots of interest in the car as is.

[firstgenaddict]

Lots of interest as it is a very solid numbers matching piece.
Much rather start with that car and pull it than to piece together a rust bucket project with new metal.

[al8apex]

ouch, a RS too ... expen$ive to repair properly

with the amount of damage $$$$ wise that occurred, I am surprised they didn't ticket her

[musclecarjohn]

Sad picture to look at indeed...glad your son is OK.
That car can and should be repairable,don't let them screw you!

[BARN FIND]

I don't know your plans for the repair, but if you need a roof, I have one in the garage (original Chevy) you can have. All you have to do is come get it. LOL...us 2nd Gen guys have to stick together.

[TimG]

You guys are great. I spoke with a Corvette restorer in Houston that's interested in the car and he said the roof would be a fairly simple repair. He knew just what needed to be done. He and his brother have restored hundreds of Corvettes and they'd like this project as they started out in the body business about 40 years ago.

Someone requested pictures of the crease in the roof and the door, but I deleted the message by accident. Sorry, if you send me the PM again, I'll respond.

[lwkitt427]

OHCH I HAD SOMETHIG SILMILAR HAPPEN TO A 69 427/400 HP CORVETTE THAT I HAD INSRURED FOR A DATED VALYE WIHT STATE FRAM I FOUND THEN TO 2 BE QUITE FAIR THEY SEN 3 SERPRATE APPASIER FROM THERE COMPANY AND THEY ALLGREED TO BRING THE CAR BACH TO THE LEVEL THAT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY THAT THEY WOULD RATHER PAY THE STATED VALUE WHICK WAS ALOT FOR 12 YEARS AGO AND BENIG IT WAS 69 NOT A 67 BUT I LOT OF ORGIANL PAPER WORKN AND LOTS OF PIC OF THE CAR GOING THRU A FRANME OFF RESTO. THEN I FOUND THEN VERY RESONABLE WHEN I I WANTED TO BUT THE CAR BACKNI HAD A BUDYY WHO HAD A CORVETTE REPAIR SHOP AND THER WAS NO FRAME DAMAGE BUT THERE WAS BIRDACAGE DAGE BUT HE FELT HE COULD FIX IT SO I BOUGHT IT BACK MADE MORE THEN I HAD I EVER BEEN OFFERED TO SELL STRAIGHT UP AND MADE A LITTLE EXTRA ON THE SALE TO MY FREIND CAR WAS A HIGH OPTION CAR WITH ORGINAL TANK STICKER CAN YOU COULD STILL TALK TO THE 1 ST ONWER AT THAT TIME. I MEAN 427-400-4S9M21-P/S P/B TILT/TE;L WHEEL SIDE PIPES-MA-FM POWER WINDOWS I AM SIRER I AM MISSING OME OT TWO MOPRE GREAT COLORS LEMANS BLUE WITH BRIGHT INT. . WAS TAKE THE MONEY AND BUY A BIG BLOCK MID YEAR LIFE HAS GOTTEM IN THE WAY LIKE IT ALWAYS DOES. BUT I AM 45 THIS YEAR AND COME HELL OR HIGH WATER I GOING TO DO MY BEST TO ONE DOES NOT HAVB TO BE HIGH H/P AND DO NOT A OVER RESTORED CAR THEY ARE LOVELY WORKS OF ART BUT YOU NEVER DRIVE ANY MORE IT SEEMS LIKE. GOOD LUCK HOPE YOU HAVE AS GOOD AS;UCK AS I DID

[Dave Rifkin]

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OHCH I HAD SOMETHIG SILMILAR HAPPEN TO A 69 427/400 HP CORVETTE THAT I HAD INSRURED FOR A DATED VALYE WIHT STATE FRAM I FOUND THEN TO 2 BE QUITE FAIR THEY SEN 3 SERPRATE APPASIER FROM THERE COMPANY AND THEY ALLGREED TO BRING THE CAR BACH TO THE LEVEL THAT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY THAT THEY WOULD RATHER PAY THE STATED VALUE WHICK WAS ALOT FOR 12 YEARS AGO AND BENIG IT WAS 69 NOT A 67 BUT I LOT OF ORGIANL PAPER WORKN AND LOTS OF PIC OF THE CAR GOING THRU A FRANME OFF RESTO. THEN I FOUND THEN VERY RESONABLE WHEN I I WANTED TO BUT THE CAR BACKNI HAD A BUDYY WHO HAD A CORVETTE REPAIR SHOP AND THER WAS NO FRAME DAMAGE BUT THERE WAS BIRDACAGE DAGE BUT HE FELT HE COULD FIX IT SO I BOUGHT IT BACK MADE MORE THEN I HAD I EVER BEEN OFFERED TO SELL STRAIGHT UP AND MADE A LITTLE EXTRA ON THE SALE TO MY FREIND CAR WAS A HIGH OPTION CAR WITH ORGINAL TANK STICKER CAN YOU COULD STILL TALK TO THE 1 ST ONWER AT THAT TIME. I MEAN 427-400-4S9M21-P/S P/B TILT/TE;L WHEEL SIDE PIPES-MA-FM POWER WINDOWS I AM SIRER I AM MISSING OME OT TWO MOPRE GREAT COLORS LEMANS BLUE WITH BRIGHT INT. . WAS TAKE THE MONEY AND BUY A BIG BLOCK MID YEAR LIFE HAS GOTTEM IN THE WAY LIKE IT ALWAYS DOES. BUT I AM 45 THIS YEAR AND COME HELL OR HIGH WATER I GOING TO DO MY BEST TO ONE DOES NOT HAVB TO BE HIGH H/P AND DO NOT A OVER RESTORED CAR THEY ARE LOVELY WORKS OF ART BUT YOU NEVER DRIVE ANY MORE IT SEEMS LIKE. GOOD LUCK HOPE YOU HAVE AS GOOD AS;UCK AS I DID

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Wow my eyes hurt http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[al8apex]

myne twoo

think Evelyn Wood ... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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[ANDY M]

Gentlemen, please. The man has poor eyesight, and has stated so here in the past.

[TimG]

Well, the Allstate adjuster just met with me and wrote an estimate for $5,500 (parts and labor). Bent frame rails, creased roof, radiator shoved into the engine, damaged suspension, wiped out windshield, inner and outer fenders, hood and damaged firewall.

That sounds about right for repairs, right?

[MosportGreen66]

$5,500 parts and labor? Tim, thats a joke right? I assure you my cosmetic restoration shop would not touch that car for anything short of $20,000.

[SS427]

I would have to agree! That 'might' cover sheet metal and some plastic. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[resto4u]

Nos front fenders could be up to $1000 ea. That estimate has to be for repro parts. 7-10,000 K to fix it right. Ask about the parts, see if they will pay for nos. If they say not available, you say will they pay if you find them. Play hardball, insurance companies have lost lawsuits for using inferior non-oem quality parts.

[markjohnson]

I can understand why the police didn't give her a ticket. She was going through a green light legally and the the white Z-28 hit her. I'll tell 'ya what the police think.......they look at that obviously high performance Z-28 and think "Well, he was probably driving too fast in that kind of car anyway". It suck, but that's what they think. I've had similar accidents myself, and I'm tellin' you that the police probably think the Z-28 driver is more at fault than anything. It's a real simple rule police go by "If you hit something head-on, then you did not have control of your vehicle or were driving too fast." It's your fault. Let's replace that Z-28 with a motorcycle and you obviously have a fatality and two families suffer. When you're on a motorcycle, you've gotta assume that everycar you see in front of you is gonna pull out in front of you. That's also wise thinking when it comes to driving ANY car, and now the world is short one less neat RS Z-28.

[al8apex]

the binkie in the car left turned the Camaro, it was going straight ... no reason NOT to ticket the moron

most cops are too young to realize the STOCK car is "high performance" all they see is a "classic" old car in STOCK condition

I disagree with your opinion

The twit (maybe she was twittering) deserves a ticket IMHO, the property damage loss is too great NOT to ...

[Chateau Slate 66]

[ QUOTE ]
Gentlemen, please. The man has poor eyesight, and has stated so here in the past.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not good enough. There are all kinds of settings in the display section of the control panel on his computer if poor eyesight really is the problem. There is no reason to make posts that are unreadable by others. It really is simple etiquette.

[snydes]

I would have laughed in the guys face, NO WAY would 5.5k do an appropriate repair on that car. That adjuster has no clue.

[CamarosRus]

FYI,

Original 70-73 Camaro Right Fenders are different than 74-77 and any NOS replacement. Early fenders dont have the oblong indent inside (under the hood line). IF your car had born with fenders, I would want a good used early type, same as fender to be used for repair

Original NOS R/S urethane nose pieces are very rare and hard to find. If yours needs replacing finding new might not be an option. Find good used one, but dont use the repop.

Subframes were stamped with mfg date and plant location. Using a different frame will have different date ???

Even after car is repaired I would go after insurance company for "diminished value" IF car can not be returned to exact same as condition.

[njsteve]

Who do you have your insurance with? Have you contacted them yet? As others have said that is at least $15 to $20K in repair costs including $5k in sheet metal and parts.

[Kim_Howie]

Tim do you have your car insured for Stated amount? If you do have your company pay for it. Then your company will go after her company to pay for it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[ohhawk]

The insurance carrier and type of policy one has could be a key part of how this has progressed thus far.

Very sorry to hear about this incident and hope it all will work out for you. I remember seeing this car a number of year's ago before it made it's way to TX.

[TimG]

He wrote the estimate with the prices his computer generated for parts. He said to take it to a shop that works on classic cars and have them provide a better estimate. He said they will not total the car, but he was leaning more to that when he left. I want the car to be a total. It is a never hit car, very original with one repaint. I want to hold off having my carrier get involved and see where they go. I paid $36,000 for the car one year ago, have it insured for that much and registered it with DOT for that much. I can verify the value and I'd rather have them take the car and pay me the money. If I keep the totaled car, they run the title through Texas DMV and I get a salvage title.

[Kim_Howie]

The insurance works diff in Iowa. When the car is totaled & you keep the car. You are given a check minus what you and the company agree on for salvage value. Most the time that is between 6 & 15% of the value of the car at date of loss. You keep the title. There is no salvage listed on the title. The only time it will have salvage on the title is when the Ins. co. keeps the car. They then have the state put salvage on the title.

[njsteve]

[ QUOTE ]
He wrote the estimate with the prices his computer generated for parts. He said to take it to a shop that works on classic cars and have them provide a better estimate. He said they will not total the car, but he was leaning more to that when he left. I want the car to be a total. It is a never hit car, very original with one repaint. I want to hold off having my carrier get involved and see where they go. I paid $36,000 for the car one year ago, have it insured for that much and registered it with DOT for that much. I can verify the value and I'd rather have them take the car and pay me the money. If I keep the totaled car, they run the title through Texas DMV and I get a salvage title.

[/ QUOTE ]

Tim, I see from your bio that you are in insurance sales. I don't know if your collector policy is with your own company but as a lawyer I'd offer you this info:

The stated value you have of $36,000 is with your insurance company. The girl's insurance company has no obligation whatsoever to follow that valuation. If they total it, they may end up offering you a check for $10,000 and not $36,000.

So unless you contact your insurance carrier or your lawyer there is most likely going to be a big problem.

If it was me I'd contact my insurance carrier immediately.

By the way buried in the fine print of most of the collector car policies is a requirement that you contact them within a specified period of time when a loss occurs to an insured vehicle regardless of who is at fault, under penalty of them not covering the loss at all. This is because it's their lawyers that end up suing on your behalf to recover the money if there is a discrepency in the repair price/total value. Otherwise without them being involved, the legal fees are going to come out of your wallet.

SO, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR INSURANCE CARRIER ASAP.

[SuperNovaSS]

I'd listen to Steve. They are going to find out one way or the other anyway.


Jason

[snydes]

The problem here is getting in the hands of a shop that does "good" work on classics. You take that car to any flat rate collision shop and you will have nothing but grief and disappointments no matter what the adjuster puts down.

[njsteve]

What I would do is pay to have an expert in these cars (i.e. people from some of the shops linked to this website) fly down there and do the estimates. That would be the best evidence for the repair cost. That is one of the costs that your insurance company may foot the bill for.

[Smokey]

The adjuster was doing his job. His job is to make it as smooth as possible and as cheap as possible. You got alot of great advice from Kim and Steve.

Take the 36k minus the buyback amount, give the car to your son and let him build it and have fun with it. Sure it won't be a Chev Vettfest Unrestored Gold Spinner car or a non hit virgin, but a very nice start for Jr who will love it with the same heart and love it as much as you have. He won't care about NOS Harrision stickers and the high end nickle and dime 998 point details pieces. Things that we forgot is that we became classic car snobs and want original born with everything with GM paint, and not a great restored muscle car unless if its a COPO, BM, Yenko or 1 of 29 cars.

I went through this same thing with a 63 409 car that was un-restored with its born with paint 3 year ago. I still kick myself about it so learn from our mistakes.

[Kurt S]

I agree with Kim. If the car is totalled, they pay you and you get to keep it. The title never needs to leave your possession. I just did this a few months ago. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
The exception (at least in MI) is that if it's new than 8 years old, then it does get a salvage title.

[69 Post Sedan]

The key thing is to contact your insurance company like Steve advised ASAP if you haven't done so already.

If it were me I would do what Chad said, total the car for $36k. I think the norm is 10% charge to buy the car back. That gets you back into the car for $3600. Have it restored for $20k.

As far at the girl not getting a ticket...that's http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif She pulled in front of the Z, she is at fault and it’s called "failure to yield the right away", plain and simple! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Good luck on getting this all straightened out.

Kurt http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[RichSchmidt]

[ QUOTE ]
FYI,

Original 70-73 Camaro Right Fenders are different than 74-77 and any NOS replacement. Early fenders dont have the oblong indent inside (under the hood line). IF your car had born with fenders, I would want a good used early type, same as fender to be used for repair

Original NOS R/S urethane nose pieces are very rare and hard to find. If yours needs replacing finding new might not be an option. Find good used one, but dont use the repop.

Subframes were stamped with mfg date and plant location. Using a different frame will have different date ???

Even after car is repaired I would go after insurance company for "diminished value" IF car can not be returned to exact same as condition.

[/ QUOTE ]

Can you elaborate on the difference.I have a set of NOS fenders for my 73,that were purchased from a dealer in 1986 and never painted.I tried to sell them on Ebay and couldnt get a $200 reserve for them.They were never painted,just hung on the car.They now have a few small low spots on them from my fat gut leaning over them.My car doesnt need NOS.If this guy needs them and they are correct,I would gladly sell them for even and buy some goodmarks and some of the other parts I need.Explain to me the difference.

[BARN FIND]

[ QUOTE ]
FYI,

Original 70-73 Camaro Right Fenders are different than 74-77 and any NOS replacement. Early fenders dont have the oblong indent inside (under the hood line). IF your car had born with fenders, I would want a good used early type, same as fender to be used for repair

Original NOS R/S urethane nose pieces are very rare and hard to find. If yours needs replacing finding new might not be an option. Find good used one, but dont use the repop.

Subframes were stamped with mfg date and plant location. Using a different frame will have different date ???

Even after car is repaired I would go after insurance company for "diminished value" IF car can not be returned to exact same as condition.

[/ QUOTE ]

The two original right fenders I have for my 74 have a actual hole where there indentation is on the repro fender, so it is not really technically right for 74+ either I don't think. Correct me if I am wrong, I am just going by what I have, not by any research.

[TimG]

The other carrier has accepted full liability for the damages after two weeks. I’m pushing them to total the car as I just don’t want the aggravation and time outlay of overseeing a repair on this car, I don’t think they want an adjuster taking their time to oversee the rebuild of this car either. I would imagine it will take months to get this Z back on the road and I don’t know if I’d want it after the hit it took.
At least we’re moving forward.

[Hotrodpaul]

If the other carrier accepts full liability they will want to get out of this as cheaply as possible. I hope they will not try and Lowball the repair or total estimate. To have a shop repair the car to as before condition with NOS parts could be 25-30K. Unhit, rustfree Fenders, Front End, and Hood could be near impossible to find, and this is an RS to boot! Anyway, I wish you the best of luck! Makes me scared to drive my Camaro's with all the bozo's out there not paying attention on their cell phones and such.

Paul

[RichSchmidt]

One way to fix the fenders would be to buy the correct early fenders in very rusty shape,and cut the skins off them,and reskin them with skins from a repop or later NOS fender.Sure would be paying upward of a grand for each perfect original.The donor early fender can be a totally rusty junker as long as it isnt bent.This is pretty much the only option you have when restoring second gen trans ams with NOS fenders.

[CamarosRus]

Original 70-72 Camaro (I dont know actual 73 changeover date) fenders dont have the oblong indent shown below.
Easy fix would be to weld flat metal into oblong area and skim coast/finish

Note drivers fender on 70 Camaro has square flange where washer bottle hangs.

Note: Orange car in picture is Jack Seymours VINTAGE Certified 22K mile Unrestored (Cleaned NOT fluffed) Survivor


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Camaro%201970%20Resto%20Details/LeftFenderWashBotMtArea.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Camaro%201970%20Resto%20Details/RightFenderIndentation.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Camaro%201970%20Resto%20Details/Underhood3.jpg

[firstgenaddict]

The cut off corner was the std fender you got in the early-mid 80's at the chev dealer for about $50 -60... I bought more of those things than I care to remember... LOL

[BARN FIND]

These are off a 1974, as you can see the pass side is also different than the repro fender in that it has a hole with 2 little tabs where the repro has an indentation. the drivers side appears to have that same squared off thingy.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm68/BARNFOUND/HPIM3764.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm68/BARNFOUND/HPIM3765.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm68/BARNFOUND/HPIM3766-1.jpg

[TimG]

Moving forward, the car is at a shop in Austin that can do a tear down and an accurate estimate. I still think the car should be totaled, but they need to have the hood and fenders pulled to see the true extent of the damage. It still hurts to see the car in this condition.

[Kim_Howie]

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[TimG]

I was going to offer my Camaro as partial trade on Charley’s RS Z28 if I made it to the show. Had plans to go to Chicago for the show, but I had to cancel at the last minute.

[TimG]

Well, the verdict is in and the car will be repaired. The damages equal about 50% of the value of the car and it’s just not enough to total the car in anyone’s book. It’s a decision that I can easily live with and I have a shop that will do a good job with the repair. On the back end, I can apply for diminished value if the vehicle is worth less, I intend to do this.

I’m looking for parts including a sub-frame inner fenders, fenders, hood, Rally Sport front end, radiator and support. The bumpers survived the accident.

[SSJunkie68-69]

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[mockingbird812]

Congrats Tim. Best of luck to you. Pls keep us posted. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[x77-69z28]

tim, post some tear down pics if you can. iam sure there are people on this board who can look and point out a few things. sometimes you cant see the forrest for the trees. good luck with the fix.

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, the verdict is in and the car will be repaired.
I’m looking for parts including a sub-frame inner fenders, fenders, hood, Rally Sport front end, radiator and support. The bumpers survived the accident.

[/ QUOTE ]

have a pair of good AZ rust free inners off a 73 RS Type LT Z28, PM me if you are interested, thanks!

[CamarosRus]

I would hold out for correct fenders as I earlier pointed out and also original G.M. Urethane Nose Piece.

[al8apex]

FYI, the 74 & up inners LOOK look the 70-73's but ARE NOT interchangeable

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

Glad it's getting repaired,too nice of a car to junk.

[BARN FIND]

[ QUOTE ]
FYI, the 74 & up inners LOOK look the 70-73's but ARE NOT interchangeable

[/ QUOTE ]

What is different?

[al8apex]

the front edges for one

I have photos posted on the differences over at www.nastyz28.com (http://www.nastyz28.com), do a search there

[STREETRACE69]

New here but far from new to the Insurance Industry. First off if you report to your Co or not they have already or will be notified. DMV, NICB, etc all report losses especially of that amount. Makes no sense not to go through your own policy especially where you have the other Co admitting 100% fault which in NY is unheard of unless rear ended.

Your Co would have paid for the claim and went against the other Co for reinbursement. Being a collector car Ins Co? they would have guided you through the process a lot easier.

That car should have been inspected in a repair shop where an initial tear down fee would have been negotiated to determine real damages. With a hit like that to that type on unibody car I couldn't imagine the indirect damages that aren't being seen. There is more to just dollar amounts in regards to a vehicle being a total loss. How long will it take to repair? Will the repairs at that cost be safe? Are the parts needed readilly obtainable. Already you are seraching for parts?

What you paid for a car especially in an inflated market has nothing to do with the cars value especially to a third party carrier. They would find comparables which you get to examine and come up with a value at the time of loss.

How are you going to claim diminished value when the car has been painted before? Once it has been previously repaired what are you going to use as your basis for a claim? You are choosing the shop not the carrier? If it can't be fixed to pre loss condition it is a TOTAL LOSS.

Stop trying to go behind the scenes and just call your Co and be upfront you might be surprised what that gets you. Plus do you not think ins Co workers are car guys They do not come on these boards? Guarantee someone has seen your 8 page story.

Not trying to be the bad guy just trying to open your eyes a bit. I would have this thread erased and proceed in a different way.

[firstgenaddict]

Why erase the thread?
The only reason I can come up with is to hide the fact that the vehicle was in an accident... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif
If not please elaborate.

[TimG]

And I thought I was doing so well http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[1970Ls6]

Yes, Streetrace69, please elaborate on why this thread should be erased. in my opinion, i don't think anything needs to happen with this thread.

[owners2]

I own a collision repair shop & who cares who reads these threads. We are all knowledgeable men who are discussing in an open forum our opinions on the repairs to be made. We hope all parties involved in researching & locating the proper parts to repair this vehicle are paid such as they deserve.We also hope he gets a job well done & know Insurance Co. or adjuster for that matter steers him differantly from any proper repairs owed for & possibly anything the shop might need to know about proper items, such as parts that might be specific to 70 Z only .... & so on.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Streetrace69...TimG, the owner of the car is in the insurance business and probably knows it better than anyone here except maybe Howie before 7:00pm.....

[ORIGLS6]

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[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Glad to here things are working out!

Love that car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
And I thought I was doing so well http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

You certainly are Tim. You have plenty of people you can call on when you need help. Get her back together. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[firstgenaddict]

[ QUOTE ]
Streetrace69...TimG, the owner of the car is in the insurance business and probably knows it better than anyone here except maybe Howie before 7:00pm.....

[/ QUOTE ]


Thanks Charlie... now I have to clean the coffee off the monitor... ROTFLOL.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Hey I use Norms thoughts on CHEERS about thinking after 7:00 pm. It has to do with Indians & Buffalos. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Mr70]

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[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey I use Norms thoughts on CHEERS about thinking after 7:00 pm. It has to do with Indians & Buffalos. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

"Well ya see Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.

"In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the lowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we all know, kills brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."


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[Kim_Howie]

THANK YOU......THANK YOU VERY MUCH http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[TimG]

Thanks guys, I think Charley should just trade me Z for Z. Maybe a little cash should go his way..........

[TimG]

I've got four pictures of the tear down, can I forward the pictures for someone to post? I tried, but they're too big.
They pulled the area where passenger fender mounts and the door opens OK. No visible damage to the firewall.
The engine and transmission are being pulled next week and were looking for a sub frame. We may have a line on an original RS front.
Powder coat or paint the sub frame?

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Sure Tim, send them to me and I'll post them for you

[email protected]

I'm really sorry about your car...it's such a beauty!

[TimG]

Thanks Randy, I appreciate your help.

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Here are Tim's pics....I'll be posting more for Tim as the repair progresses.....

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_CamaroRepairs1.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_CamaroRepairs2.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_CamaroRepairs3.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_CamaroRepairs4.jpg

[TimG]

Well we have a nice sub frame for the car that will be cleaned up and painted. We also have a set of 1970 used fenders. They’re non Z28, so the holes need to be welded and new holes for the Z28 emblems need to be drilled. The fenders will be stripped and prepared for installation. We have a nice RS front end and grill, too.

The hood should be an easy find since there’s nothing special about a Z hood and they used the same hood for years. I’m still having a shop do the work since they have to tools and they can do any supplements that need to be submitted to the insurance company. I’ll photograph the progress when the sub frame comes off.

[njsteve]

On the hood issue, I don't know about the second gen Camaros but the second gen Firebirds definitely had different underhood bracing changes from 70 to 71, 72, etc, and up. Anybody out there have any advice on this?

[musclecarjohn]

glad it's getting repaired... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Mr70]

Glad to hear the wheels are in motion Tim. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[TimG]

Randy, hope you got my PM. It shows that it wasn't sent and I've been having trouble sending messages.

The subframe is ready to go on the car and all the parts are in hand. I should have some new photos when the subframe is put on the car.

Thanks for checking....... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Any time you need pics posted Tim, just send them over and I'll make sure they get posted. Such a great car, it needs to be on the road again!


[email protected]

[TimG]

I went to visit the Z28 today and I’m going to take tomorrow afternoon off to take pictures and do some cleaning as long as the sub frame assembly is separated.

The sub frame looks kind of cool sitting there with the engine and transmission in it. The shop has found a nice used RS front end and fenders. They had bought a used hood, but when it arrived, they were very disappointed and chose not to keep it. There was some unacceptable damage to this original hood.

The shop is tempted to order a reproduction hood and I’m wondering if any members have some input about using a reproduction hood. Is the fit and quality good?
Should I press him to find an original hood?

I’ll get some shots to Randy to post tomorrow.

Thanks.

[Salvatore]

To me the last resort is a repop anything. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif JMO

[MosportGreen66]

Tim,

You can get an original GM '70 hood for less than $150 (plus shipping). No reason to go reproduction at all.

Dan

[TDW]

There are a couple of guys at www.nastyz28.com (http://www.nastyz28.com) that always list sheet metal for sale in the classifieds. Do a search there for hoods. Pretty sure there is something there.

[TDW]

This guy has a 70 hood.

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176481&highlight=hood

[TimG]

Thanks for the leads...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Here are Tim's recent pics of the car dis assembled and the new sub frame ready to be installed......

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_CamaroSubframe.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_Camaronewframe.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_CamaroEnginetrans.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_CamaroTransmission.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_CamaroTrans70W.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_CamaroTrans70W2.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_CamaroTunnel.jpg

[TimG]

Thanks for posting these pictures, Randy. I took pictures of the casting date and transmission tag, too.
The picture Randy posted is of a stencled 70W on the transmission. The tag has CW on it.
Has anyone seen the stenceled code on an M40 before? They are in perfect condition.

The picture with all the drips is of the transmission tunnel, I did no cleaning, it looks that good.

It’s interesting to note that the casting date of the block is D 14 70 and the engine was built the next day, April 15, 1970.

It was fun cleaning everything on Friday afternoon before the components are moved to the new sub frame. The VIN is clearly by the oil filter on this Norwwod car.

I’m happy with the work the shop is doing and we’re making efforts to make this repair as good as possible.

[SS427]

[ QUOTE ]

The picture Randy posted is of a stencled 70W on the transmission. The tag has CW on it. Has anyone seen the stenceled code on an M40 before?

[/ QUOTE ]

They are in fact fairly common. I ssee them on most low mileage original cars when I tear them down. This is an exact stamp copied from an original on Mark Mitchell's Chevelle.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n300/ricknelson427/Car%20pictures/tn_IMG_3913.jpg

[SuperNovaSS]

I think the stamp on your trans would be 7CW, not 70W. Very cool!

[markinnaples]

I bet you're glad you kept the car now, eh?

[TimG]

Yes, the code is 7CW, not 70W. Thanks.

I am glad I kept the car, it's still a beauty.

[TimG]

Everything is moved over to the new sub frame and the sub frame is bolted to the body. The shop is going to start the car Monday before all the sheet metal is bolted on to be sure everything functions properly. The old sub frame did take a hit, the motor and transmission mounts all broke. The engine and transmission are fine as the sub frame and sheet metal took the brunt of the hit. All of the suspension was moved to the new sub frame without breaking apart the original ball joints, I preferred they not risk damage to the original components. The front control arms, drag link, wheels, tires, and brakes were moved as a unit after compressing the springs. It was very bulky, but the best way to make the move. I’ll get more pictures of the car running with no sheet metal.

[TimG]

I believe that Randy is going to post some pictures of the painted fenders and hood for the Z28. We were able find nice used, original parts including the RS endura bumper. The shop doing the repairs got the car running with no sheet metal to make sure that the engine and transmission worked well. I wasn’t there, but it must have been a sight seeing a Z28 going down the road with no fenders or hood. The inner fenders were not damaged and fortunately they were able to use these again.
The battery was damaged in the accident and I’m not a fan of the green Interstate battery that they put in the car.

I like the picture of the new hood with the old, crumpled hood and fenders in the background.

The work is progressing nicely, the assembaly should take place next week and the last item is replacement of the dated windshield. With any luck the Z28 should be done within a few weeks.

[70 Forest Green Zee]

After a brief hiatus <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif I can now post Tim's pics of the progress he is making....



Here is the car with the new sub frame installed and the engine back in...also the inner fenders are installed

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_Camaroinnerfender2.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_Camarowithinnerfenders.jpg


new front fenders all painted and waiting to be installed. Note, Tim told me that all original parts were found and reconditioned for use so no repops were used at all.


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_CamaroFenders.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_CamaroFenders2.jpg


Here the new hood sits all painted and stripes already added waiting for installation....note the old hood leaning up against the wall....


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_Camarohoodoldnew.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_Camaronewhood.jpg



As work continues to progress I will post more as Tim sends more.

[kwhizz]

After a brief hiatus .................

Is that in South Carolina??..........LOL

Ken

[njsteve]

Just out of curiosity, are they installing the fenders with the inner fenders already on the car? I found it a lot easier on my T/A to bolt the inner fenders to the fenders and then install the entire assembly onto the car. Much less risk of scratching the paint on the fenders and door edges, trying to maneuver the fender around the inner fenders.

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Good question Steve,but Tim will have to answer that one. He's in Texas, and I'm in Chi town burbs.

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

Welcome back Randy!!

[TimG]

Steve,

I believe that they will be installing the fenders with the inner fenders installed. That being said, I'll be there tomorrow and I'll ask them about this. I'm not doing any of the work myself, the other insurance company is paying for all the work. I do visit on a regular basis.

[BJK 67]

Tim, let's put a battery topper in it............?

[TimG]

Battery topper it is. The fenders are on and they look great.

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Pics Tim?? BTW...I sent you a pm.

[TimG]

Randy, I'm heading there today. I've been out of town most of the week. I hope they have the fenders and hood on.

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Here’s the latest batch of photos. I took these with my Iphone, so they aren’t high resolution photos.

The first shot is of an original RS endure nose, it turned out very nice. The front header panel hasn’t been buffed out or striped yet, the stripe will be the last thing done after everything is aliened. The doors open nicely and the engine compartment is beautiful.

Both headlight bezels were damaged and they ordered new ones. Fortunately, there aren’t going to be many reproduction pieces used.

It’s a car again, I love it.

The sheet metal is on, but nothing is really lined up yet as they’re waiting on braces and supports that were damaged. Overall, it looks good and the car starts and the solid lifter LT1 sounds great.


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/5Camaro.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/4Camaro.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/3Camaro.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/2Camaro.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/1Camaro.jpg

[snydes]

I for one am glad that this car is being properly repaired. It made me sick to see those pictures when it first happened.

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

Looks good Tim.I'm glade you had the car repaired,smart move.

[Norm reynolds]

I am Glad That I am not the only one that is not to quick in to
scarping a car that with the right person can just bring it back
There are a lot of people that would have just scarped it
That Z28 will be better that before

[70 Forest Green Zee]

I received a few more pics from Tim today and his comments on the progress of the repairs.....

I was able to take some pictures of the Z in its final stages of repair. The car is missing some windshield clips and when these arrive the dated windshield will go in.

It’s also missing the passenger side headlight bezel and that should be in shortly.



The repairs are coming along nicely, it’s a car again. The paint looks great and the color match is very good.



About the only things left are the new rocker moldings as these were damaged in the accident and a front wheel alignment. I’m looking forward to getting the car back.



I’ll send more pictures when the car is completed.


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/1Camaro-1.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/2Camaro-1.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/3Camaro-1.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/4Camaro-1.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/5Camaro-1.jpg

[mockingbird812]

Wow - she's looking <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">GREAT</span></span>! Thanks for posting the photos Randy. Congrats Tim. Glad to see you getting her back to new again. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[MosportGreen66]

Very nice Tim! Congrats.

Was the car painted from the doors forward?

[TimG]

Yes, the doors were painted. The passenger door had minor damage to it from where the fender interfered with it in the accident.
I thought about painting the rear of the car, but the paint was always very nice, so both the shop and I felt it wasn’t necessary.
All in all, the car didn't need much, but we did a few things to bring it up a notch including putting a thin bit of foam in the original drivers seat to raise it from years of being used, and replacing the windshield with a dated piece.

[resto4u]

Tim, looks like the shop does quality work and they know how to work on a classic to bring it back up to or above pre-collision standards. Roger

[TimG]

Just a quick update on the white Z28 after my visit today. The shop is very close to wrapping things up, the wheel alignment is the last thing to do along with some final items like under hood insulation. The weather was horrible all last week and they didn’t want to take it to the alignment shop in the rain.

With all the chrome and trim items on, the front end really looks great. I’m extremly happy with the work. At the time of the accident, I didn’t think it would ever be repaired and back on the road, but it’s nearly ready to go.

I’ll take some final pictures next week when I pick it up.

[Xplantdad]

Sounds great Tim!

[mockingbird812]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[67 GTO]

I expect your son will feel a lot better when he sees the car again.

Even though it didn't start out so good, I enjoyed the thread.
Thanks for posting it.

[CamarosRus]

I read where you mentioned the underhood insulation.

Curious if you were able to save the ORIGINAL hood pad, or was it broken/damaged in the accident.

I sell and distribute a 70-74 Camaro, reproduction hood insulation pad, that is very similar to your original.

Contact my Email at [email protected] if you need the replacement.

[mockingbird812]

Tim - not sure how to approach this potentially sensitive subject (and moderators feel free to edit my controversial comments), but we have taken a poll (secret) and have determined that we are going to need to see some seriously detailed (non-phone camera) photographs of your &quot;new&quot; baby <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 26pt">ASAP!</span> </span> <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

And further more (please insert &quot;real&quot; between the words &quot;without&quot; and &quot;pics&quot;)....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/Icons/needpics.gif

[TimG]

OK, OK, I get the message. I'll get some &quot;real&quot; pictures when I get the old car back. My pictures won't compete with those you took of your Chevelle, they're amazing.

Rus, the shop has the insulation, wish I had a line on yours before. If what they install is not good, I'll order some from you. The original was torn up from the accident. It was a nice original piece.

I'm off to watch Colin race his Shelby at Road America this weekend.

[70 Forest Green Zee]

OK guys the day is finally here when Tim's beautiful Z28 is repaired and Tim sent me some real camera pics <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif The car turned out great, it's such a beautiful car Tim, I'm sure glad you decided to save it!!!

Here's a little note Tim sent to me with his pics:




Randy,

The Austin guys were together Saturday just after I picked up the Camaro. Here are some final shots at the shop we all gather at to work on cars.

Notice the new Callaway supercharged Z06 in the background, what a cool car.



I took one shot at the house on Sunday with American wheels and redline tires, I love the different look it presents.



I do appreciate all of your help with posting the pictures through the repair. It did turn out very nice, there are a few minor issues to iron out such as the wipers not working and such, but nothing major.

Tim



http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_IMG_5034.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_IMG_5032.jpg

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http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_Camarowithmags.jpg

[mockingbird812]

<span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">That's</span></span></span> what I'm talkin' about. Looks great Tim! Congrats and thanks for saving such a beauty! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[CC Rider]

Nice! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[TimG]

Thanks for following this ordeal and all the support from the site members. Austin Corvette did a very nice job on the Z28, the paint is beautiful and they painted all but the rear of the car with a perfect match.

[Charley Lillard]

Wheels and tires are perfect..

[enio45]

very nice

[owners2]

I like. I just bought a white 71 Z &amp; now am thinking i like that rim &amp; tire combo !!!!!

[TimG]

Charley, looking at pictures of the fit of the RS front end on your ’70 Z made me realize that they did a pretty good job of putting mine back together. It just wasn’t done to the standards you see on today’s cars back in 1970.

[snydes]

Very nice! It was good to see this car being fixed properly.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

Hey Tim nice to see your car is back together again it looks nice.
I recently bought a 1970 Challenger R/T S.E. 440 375 HP 4 SPD and i noticed your plates are in line with the one i got with my car from Texas. Any story behind those plates as mine were passed down since the second owner of my challenger.
Mine also had 1970 with a metal tag (that covers the 7 in 1970).
The HPP 833 is significant on my car as HPP could mean High Performance and the double PP is cool as my car is coded HP2 as a Second shift Built motor. The 833 is a code for a 4 speed Hemi transmission in the Chrysler scheme of things!!

Hey maybe you can help me dig up a &quot;Dodge Town&quot; dealer logo in Texas for me as that is were my car was sold from.
The &quot;Dodge Town&quot; sign is still there on location but no building.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/danvil1/Chally/037.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/danvil1/tn_IMG_5035.jpg

[TimG]

How funny that you have a Texas plate with a number close to mine on your Canadian car. My plate is an actual, active plate that I drive with.

For years, there was a wonedrful guy in Lockhart, TX that gathered up old plates from nearby courthouses at the end of the year. He did this for years and his name was Dean Powell. Dean was the one nearly everyone went to to buy plates for their cars. Deans’ plates were never issued examples and he had boxes and boxes of them.

Dean passed away a few years ago and now people buy plates on ebay, but my guess is that someone bought your plates from Dean and put them on your car when it was in Texas. His plates were in order many times as they came in boxes of 25 when new.

As for the dealer emblem, I don’t know of that dealer, but I bet someone on this site can help you. Where is &quot;Dodge Town&quot; located?

[TimG]

I wonder if HHP 440 is out there, wouldn't that be cool.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

WOW,
Thanks for that info Tim.
&quot;Dodge Town&quot; dealership was in Robstown-Texas on East Highway 44.

Now wonder my plate came in the original envelope with the original paper insert that reads &quot;See the Texas Prison Rodeo! Each Sunday in October-Guest Stars,Thrilling Inmate contests,Pageantry,Quadrilles-Huntsville,Texas&quot; License fees are used to Build and Maintain highways,Better highways save lives time money ... Texas Highway department Austin,Texas.

This plate must of come from Dean Powell,i can just picture the second owner David Wayne picking these plates out of Dean's box and getting excited when he spotted the HPP 833 plate.

[TimG]

I'll be in Robstown next week, it's just out of Corpus Christi.
I'll look for it as I'll also be on East Hwy 44. How strange.

Robstown is a very small town, there's quite a musclecar collector there. He has a number of LS6 Chevelles, COPO's and a well documented '67 L88 Corvette. I usually stop by his office to say hi. I wonder if he knows of the dealer?

[XXXGoldL34M20]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TimG</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll be in Robstown next week, it's just out of Corpus Christi.
I'll look for it as I'll also be on East Hwy 44. How strange.

Robstown is a very small town, there's quite a musclecar collector there. He has a number of LS6 Chevelles, COPO's and a well documented '67 L88 Corvette. I usually stop by his office to say hi. I wonder if he knows of the dealer?

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Well Tim, let me know if you come up with something.
thanks Danny