"Caution....Made in Japan"

[Postsedan]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-67-68...sQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-67-68-69-70-Buick-Skylark-GS-2-Piece-Brake-Rotors_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem23039fb3edQQitem Z150384653293QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fA ccessories)

Dan.

[Salvatore]

Thanks for the heads up Dan! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif it never ends with the foreign parts.

[Keith Tedford]

I have my originals sitting here and there are quite a few numbers and letters cast into them that aren't on the new ones. They are more accurate than the one piece rotors but certainly not going to fool too many if you are looking for the "original" look.

[x Baldwin Motion]

Japan, really? not China?

(because now Japan is quality compared to China) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

http://www.usitc.gov/secretary/fed_reg_notices/Safeguard_201_204_421/I0811AA2.pdf

[wheelhop]

available through Ground Up and The Right Stuff also for less than Epay

[StriperSS]

[ QUOTE ]
Japan, really? not China?

(because now Japan is quality compared to China) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree, Japanese is on the high end of the scale these days. Not that I'm endorsing these parts.

[Salvatore]

IMO if the car is worth restoring and the good original parts are still available one has to go with the originals. If the car is a trailer queen, they don't even need to be to spec if the car is hardly ever driven. My rotors are not quite spec and I drive my Z/28 weekly and never had any problems. Buy good used if available. No kit cars! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[rockn69]

Well, we all know where the jobs are or have gone to. It sure irks me to know just how much this country has allowed to slip away. To settle for Asian aftermarket parts for our American muscle cars is pretty sad! Buy Made in America http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[olredalert]

------Jeff Dotterer is apparently selling the ones that are pictured. Dan, Its good to know where they are made, but are you making a statement about quality or safety??? Lacking good rotors, are these an acceptable option for a driver, as they look OK to the naked eye??? ......Bill S

[copo69]

From CRG:

[ QUOTE ]
Hi,
The rotors are made by a good quality rotor manufacturer in China. There are thousands of his rotors in one piece design currently in service. I would love to offer a USA product, but as priced, would be roughly double the cost of our current product. Thanks for your interest!!!!

Jeff
Dated Components

[/ QUOTE ]

[L72Chevelle]

I would gladly pay 2X the money for these rotors if they where MADE IN USA!

[MosportGreen66]

What is wrong with a rotor manufactured in Japan by a US based firm? Its outsourcing, one of the most simplistic principles of a capitalistic market. Factor in the cost of labor and manufacturing alone I would surmise you would easily be spending more than double that price on a rotor equal in quality and performance produced here in the US. I think you're stuck on a very trivial matter.

[MosportGreen66]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, we all know where the jobs are or have gone to. It sure irks me to know just how much this country has allowed to slip away. To settle for Asian aftermarket parts for our American muscle cars is pretty sad! Buy Made in America http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

This is a very biased statement. Do you know why the majority of manufacturing jobs have gone overseas? Greed! Americans have outrageous salary demands, driven by high costs of living. Yes, the US is not the manufacturing capital is once was, but what is un-American about making money?

[69 Post Sedan]

When a part can be cast in the US, shipped overseas, machined, brought back to the US and sold cheaper than we can make it, something is wrong!

There is nothing wrong with capitalism but THAT is ridiculous! IMO http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[John Brown]

Much of the made in China stuff is sold for one price for the container full. It doesn't make much difference if the rotors are the $9.95 ones for late model GM's or 2 piece rotors for Camaro or Chevelle. All that matters is how many they can stuff in that container. That means someone is making a real killing at the price they are asking. While I'm not adverse to making a profit, $259.00 sounds like the kind of profit margins that are made on black gooey stuff that comes out of the ground.

[Mr70]

I agree with brkyard's reply,but it's the reality of our country today and has been like this for decades,so let's not all act like this is something new that we knew nothing about..Write your congressman/congresswoman,run for office,vote,get involved & change it!

That being said,Jeff Dotterer is well known for his help, work,dedication & knowledge base in this hobby for many,many years now.I think Jeff should be commended for answering the need for these when no one else has really stepped up,(or maybe somebody in this topic was getting ready to.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif ),and for such a reasonable price.Jeff states flat out what exactly they are & what exactly they fit.He's not hiding anything or repackaging them in a vintage GM box to look authentic or mislead anyone.Any trained eye can see that.He even lists his detailed contact info,which is more then can be said for others who sell parts on the bay.If he had them completely made in the USA and his asking price was twice as much as now,this topic would be taking notice as to how greedy he is in todays economy when no one can afford them.And those who have originals would be doubling their asking price as well all of a sudden.Would that be making our Hobby anymore accessible to others?
I prefer to use original NOS parts on my car,but completely respect the people who supply a product for a lesser price that reflects them too.
Jeff's price per pair on these is extremely reasonable,compared to a apir of NOS virgin originals,which I just saw brought over $1000 a pair in the box on ebay a few days ago..That speaks as to how much some people are wanting these today,and Jeff has stepped up to allow those who can't afford those prices.
It's no secret tooling costs are expensive,so if he's trying to keep costs down all while supplying a part to those who can afford it AND actually use it for what it was intended for instead of storing it on a shelf do to buyers remorse of what they invested in it,I say good for him.
A pair of these can't easily be made and cost less then a set of newly fabricated rolled exhaust tips,so surely you can relate an many levels to what Jeff's supplying here Postsedan.

I'll bet I can find at least one item in anyones home that replied on here that <u>wasn't</u> made in the USA.

[Kim_Howie]

Dan it had nothing to do with greed. The public wanted cheap. They quit buying American products and American companys had to start buying from China to be able to compete. We screwed ourselves. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Tommy_Mathison]

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I would gladly pay 2X the money for these rotors if they where MADE IN USA!

[/ QUOTE ]

Call Jim at Heartbeat City and you'll find exactly what you are looking for

http://store.heartbeatcity.net/store/product/21960/Disc-brake-rotor%2C-2-piece%2C-USA/

[BARRY]

WHERE are they made same place JAPAN CHINA ALL THE SAME??????

[MosportGreen66]

[ QUOTE ]
WHERE are they made same place JAPAN CHINA ALL THE SAME??????

[/ QUOTE ]

Thats just down right disrespectful.

If you think that some Japanese or Chinese businessman took a 2-piece rotor of an old American car, researched the market for the part and then began producing something this specific just for the purpose of ripping off Americans you're totally wrong. Like I said, I challenge any of you to produce this rotor in an American market, sell it for cheaper than Jeff does and still turn a profit. Breaking even does not count.

[wheelhop]

I am thankful that somebody finally reproduces these 2 piece rotors. I've been collecting "thin" ones for years.
Anybody need some hard to find 2-piece paperweights?
I'll sell them cheap but the shipping will kill you!

[Smokey]

eBay them.

[Salvatore]

Dan, I give you credit for speaking your mind. Maybe not always agreeing but glad the young people of America are standing up to be counted. You to Tommy M. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Speak up, its America. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif There are hundreds of issues like this one that need to be addressed in our country.

[John Brown]

[ QUOTE ]
I am thankful that somebody finally reproduces these 2 piece rotors. I've been collecting "thin" ones for years.
Anybody need some hard to find 2-piece paperweights?
I'll sell them cheap but the shipping will kill you!

[/ QUOTE ]

A simple solution, since the back half rarely wears out, would be to manufacture only the rotor half and replace just that part. The rotor could be turned after being mounted on the hub to make everything true. I've replaced a lot of rotor hats on 4 wheel drive trucks and swedged new studs in them so I know it's not all that hard. Wouldn't be that different on one of those old hubs. It's not like re-inventing the wheel or anything.....

[GrumpysToy]

Here is my 2 cents.....no matter where they are MADE , they are still reproductions and the very SMALL crowd (and I mean small) that wants original and/or NOS wouldn't buy them ,if they were MADE IN THE USA. These are for the mass market, if you will , that make up the other 99.99 percent of the hobby we are in. It would be GREAT if we could get back to "made in america" on everything , but I think we all know that is wishful thinking.

[MosportGreen66]

[ QUOTE ]
Dan, I give you credit for speaking your mind. Maybe not always agreeing but glad the young people of America are standing up to be counted. You to Tommy M. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Speak up, its America. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif There are hundreds of issues like this one that need to be addressed in our country.

[/ QUOTE ]

I thank you for your support. Diversity is one cause that makes this country so great. We don't always have to agree, nor should we always but as long as we can understand and respect each other we're all fine by me.

And to add some more color to this conversation- has anyone been following the protectionist movement Obama has set forth against Chinese tires? His protectionist action stop the dumping of cheap tires in US markets. Some agree/disagree but for those supporters of this plan, Obama is very much protecting the American tire manufacturing industry which has been ailing since 2000.

-Dan

[Kim_Howie]

Leave Obama out !!

[rockn69]

This is a good first step and hopefully more will follow; for instance, the unsafe toys flooding this country....Obama or not! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[69L72RS]

I priced having rotors made here a few years ago.
One of our supplier's local foundries would do the casting and the company I work for was going to do the machining.
Keep in mind that I only pay production costs, no margins on the machining.
My end cost on the rotors were $221.87 per rotor, without the hub.
That was when a blanket order of 250 pieces was to be placed.

[RPOLS3]

Kim's correct.........why do you think Wal-Mart has been so successful? Like it or not it's a price driven marketplace, especially right now, and as long as people keep demanding cheap (by what they purchase) there will be somebody willing to provide it. While there are many of us that are willing to pay more for many things if they are "Made in USA" that still represents a miniscule percentage of the total marketplace. Just my $0.02.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Jake

[Salvatore]

I would like to know how someone can say after using many repro Chinese, Japenese and Mexican parts In their restoration that their Yenko, Copo or even Z/28 is really worth what they think it is? It is no longer original and or restored with American parts. My opinion is if you can still get, buy or obtain American parts for your resto then you should do it. There are always NOS or good used parts out there. Have to look a little harder thats all. How can American Muscle be called that if it is somewhat of a kit car from foreign manufactures? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
I am thankful that somebody finally reproduces these 2 piece rotors. I've been collecting "thin" ones for years.
Anybody need some hard to find 2-piece paperweights?
I'll sell them cheap but the shipping will kill you!

[/ QUOTE ]

I have shipped FOUR OEM GM C5 Corvette rotors in the US Postal large FLAT RATE box for $15... 67 pounds worth

your rotors should fit in their large box, if only one at a a time, but that still puts the cap on of $30 for both

[wheelhop]

[ QUOTE ]
I would like to know how someone can say after using many repro Chinese, Japenese and Mexican parts In their restoration that their Yenko, Copo or even Z/28 is really worth what they think it is? It is no longer original and or restored with American parts. My opinion is if you can still get, buy or obtain American parts for your resto then you should do it. There are always NOS or good used parts out there. Have to look a little harder thats all. How can American Muscle be called that if it is somewhat of a kit car from foreign manufactures? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Do we really know that the parts that went into these american cars 40 years ago were all american made? I'm sure the majority were but not every single little piece.

[Salvatore]

American or Canadian is OK with me. We are on the same plane with life styles and pay scales and what not. No cheap dumping into the US like China does. Am I a 100% sure, No but one thing I do know is that now I know and can be sure of what I buy and where I buy my parts so I pay way more attention about where they are made and always try to buy American. If people can afford a Yenko, COPO etc. they can afford the difference in price to buy US made or good used for that matter. Just a matter of preference. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[442w30]

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg226/Scorpion8491/deep_purple_-_made_in_japan-front.jpg

[x Baldwin Motion]

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http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg226/Scorpion8491/deep_purple_-_made_in_japan-front.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

OK, that was good. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Space truckin' / Highway Star / The Mule

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CSpU0XA2uA

[Unreal]

[ QUOTE ]
I would like to know how someone can say after using many repro Chinese, Japenese and Mexican parts In their restoration that their Yenko, Copo or even Z/28 is really worth what they think it is? It is no longer original and or restored with American parts. My opinion is if you can still get, buy or obtain American parts for your resto then you should do it. There are always NOS or good used parts out there. Have to look a little harder thats all. How can American Muscle be called that if it is somewhat of a kit car from foreign manufactures? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

So a Yenko restored with American-manufactured reproduction parts is more correct than one using foreign-manufactured ones?

I applaud your patriotism, but can't follow your logic.

[Kim_Howie]

Logic is very simple American product on American product.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[MosportGreen66]

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Logic is very simple American product on American product.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok Kim, so what happens when an American company commissions an overseas manufacturer to produce its products? A multi-national operation conducting in international business. This is similar to the shirt on your back and the jeans you're wearing. Wrangler Jeans aren't made in the South like they used to. Your Hanes undershirt isn't either. GM restoration parts aren't produced in the States...

[Mr BB Chevy]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I would like to know how someone can say after using many repro Chinese, Japenese and Mexican parts In their restoration that their Yenko, Copo or even Z/28 is really worth what they think it is? It is no longer original and or restored with American parts. My opinion is if you can still get, buy or obtain American parts for your resto then you should do it. There are always NOS or good used parts out there. Have to look a little harder thats all. How can American Muscle be called that if it is somewhat of a kit car from foreign manufactures? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

So a Yenko restored with American-manufactured reproduction parts is more correct than one using foreign-manufactured ones?

I applaud your patriotism, but can't follow your logic.

[/ QUOTE ] ask any FAST stocker or Super Stocker what they are using to get their car to min wt. they use foreign parts. much lighter in wt. including glass. when i asked a record holder how he got his camaro to that weight he said, "its chinese now"

[Salvatore]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Logic is very simple American product on American product.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok Kim, so what happens when an American company commissions an overseas manufacturer to produce its products? A multi-national operation conducting in international business. This is similar to the shirt on your back and the jeans you're wearing. Wrangler Jeans aren't made in the South like they used to. Your Hanes undershirt isn't either. GM restoration parts aren't produced in the States...

[/ QUOTE ] Thats right Danny! That is why I scower junk yards, find good used and try to buy NOS so the parts will be made in the US. Its much cheaper, easier and faster to buy foreign sheetmetal than it is to have good west coast or Arizona used sheetmetal bused in by Greyhound. Its the fun of the hobby. Searching and buying. At least you can say while my car had some panels and parts replaced they are at least GM panels from Detroit. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Dan, If you want to use that CRAP that's your business. My shirts are not American but they are made in a FREE country. China is not one of them. I don't support them !!! Again it's my choice. Let's leave it that way. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[MosportGreen66]

I'm just playing devil's advocate here guys. I like this conversation!

[Salvatore]

My wife and I went to Niagara Falls about a month ago. We bought T-shirts made in Canada, not in India or Vietnam. Does that count? When in Canada, buy Canada and so forth. Still buy my socks from Kohls made in USA. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[VintageMusclecar]

I recently had to put pads &amp; rotors on the front of my Suburban. I tried to find American-made rotors but every place I called told me the "name (read: "American") brand" rotors that were almost $200.00 each were the exact same rotors as the "generic" Chinese units for $40.00, they were just re-packaged in an "American" box.

I would have paid extra for American-made rotors...if I could've found them. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Just put new pads and one caliper on my Chevy truck. Bought the parts at local dealer. They were GM parts. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[VintageMusclecar]

I checked on GM rotors, was informed they were imported as well.

Did yours have any mention where they were made?

[Kim_Howie]

They said "made in America" . I can tell a Chinese cardboard box a mile away. They can't even make a good cardboard box!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
Just put new pads and one caliper on my Chevy truck. Bought the parts at local dealer. They were GM parts. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Sad to report that "GM Parts" (all the brake rotors) on my 2004 Silverado were made in China. There has been a mandatory "post consumer content" (recycled) requirement on all American produced vehicles for several years now. That melted down crap is molded into new parts to build our new cars, where do you think it is coming from??! I was flabbergasted to find out the GM replacements were the same Chinese stuff it left the factory with.

Here's a clip from one of the big three's memos of 1999:
By 2002, the firm will require 25% recycled content for aluminum products, 35% for steel and iron parts and 25% in the "other" category, which includes rubber, liquid chemicals and glass. The recycled-content of aluminum rises to 30% in 2010 when steel increases to 40%. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Salvatore]

That is a shame about those parts! There are many vacant factories and foundries in this country. Some of these southern states should be able to start up these old places and make some of this stuff. I bet the people would love the work and the labor would be pretty reasonable I would think. I guess the biggest problem may be the EPA. You are right Kim you can tell a foreign shipping box a mile away! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[wheelhop]

ttt

[442w30]

[ QUOTE ]
Logic is very simple American product on American product.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree! It really gets my goat to go to a Mexican restaurant in NYC and it's run by Chinese immigrants! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[wheelhop]

HEY KIM HOwIE, and SC69SAM there's an american made rotor for sale in the classifieds for one of you guys! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Salvatore]

Hey Jim, Thanks for the heads up. I took your advice and bought a couple repop rotors. Real nice items. Thanks! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[wheelhop]

[ QUOTE ]
I would like to know how someone can say after using many repro Chinese, Japenese and Mexican parts In their restoration that their Yenko, Copo or even Z/28 is really worth what they think it is? It is no longer original and or restored with American parts. My opinion is if you can still get, buy or obtain American parts for your resto then you should do it. There are always NOS or good used parts out there. Have to look a little harder thats all. How can American Muscle be called that if it is somewhat of a kit car from foreign manufactures? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

This is a direct quote from you Sam. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Salvatore]

You are right Jim. I gave in. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gifI buy most of my parts from overseas manufacturing because my wife put me on a budget. Can't tell anyhow and my cars arn't worth enough to worry about it.

[m22mike]

and my cars arn't worth enough to worry about it.

Yea....your right ...I'll take that Green Turd off your hands for....say a case of Tasty Kakes... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
Yea...that should do it Sammy

[PxTx]

Somehow I find it more acceptable when the parts are consumable/ wear items like rotors and such.

[wheelhop]

Or consumable like, chinese take out.

[rockn69]

I was wondering if you Chevelle guys are aware of a 2 piece rotor made in the USA sold by Heartbeat City? I spoke with them this morning and the price is $225 each. At least there is an American replacement for those worn out originals and our money stays here. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif